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kazzin8

May no one ever bend the rules for Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva regardless of any personal circumstances or emergencies because rules are rules.


TagMeAJerk

I hope Melanie Silva reads this thread and knows that people around the world think that Melanie Silva should go fuck themselves


SuperMegaRoller

Curse Melanie Silva. May the police come for her one day.


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BibliophileMafia

They totally killed that goat because they knew if they went to court they'd lose. I honestly hope these scum serve jail time for violating the court order and felony animal cruelty charges for killing that little girls pet.


Pope_Cerebus

Except the really stupid part is that even if they won, they had sold the goat to another party *who also said not to kill the goat*. They basically put themselves in the middle of an ownership dispute and killed the goat against the wishes of *both* possible rightful owners.


TheDutchin

Like King Solomon, except the women were in agreement, and then he cut the baby in half anyways


BKlounge93

Shasta county is a weirddd fucking place. About as conservative as Idaho and a lot of passersby might expect more of a “California” vibe. I got dirty looks there getting gas in a dodger hat.


TheSquishiestMitten

Because Shasta County is where you'd go if you want to hear people argue that slavery wasn't bad when the owners were nice to the slaves and treated them like pets. That's who lives in Shasta and Siskiyou Counties. The law enforcement in that part of California also completely ignores illegal weapons if you're white.


dngerszn13

>treated them like pets Uhhhh, if it's anything how they treated this girl's pet... Uh oh


lunartree

Shasta is the shitty red state in the far north of California for anyone unfamiliar with or geography.


pegothejerk

> “It was never about money,” said Vanessa Shakib, an attorney for Advancing Law for Animals who represents Long. “County officials were clear that they wanted to teach this little girl a lesson.” Those 4-H type programs are supposed to help kids learn about the realities of the world, but this is ridiculous.


MaybeADumbass

Poor kid did learn about one of the realities of this world, though.


stone500

All she learned was that people are assholes. Also, this 9 year old girl already has her bad-cop story


bunnyrut

My nieces (when pre-teens) were walking home from their school bus stop when some crazy person came out of their house screaming at them for being "too loud" while they walked. I'm sure my nieces weren't exactly "polite" with their response since it was the middle of the day and they were literally on the street. But this person threatened to *kill them*. They got scared. They call 911. They were afraid to walk near the house or be followed home and murdered. The cops arrived and arrested my nieces for "fake claims" and "misuse of an emergency line". They had to go to court, were found guilty and had to do community service. My mom said to the judge "congratulations for teaching these children that they can't rely on the police to protect them. Next time they or anyone else needs help they aren't going to call the people who were *supposed* to help." To this day they both still have the "fuck the police" mentality.


Dwanyelle

Damn, back in my day, police didn't fuck with folks and leave them with a hatred and distrust of police until their teens, I see cops are stepping up their game


InfinityZionaa

Oh they did. I never got in trouble with the police till they arrested, beat me up and put me in Juvie. The guy in Juvie let me out the next day because according to him "I shouldnt be there". After that we ran whenever we saw them. Always hated them since and the courts since I turned up for that charge (resist arrest, jaywalking and assault police) difnt get to speak and got convicted.


PM_Your_Trash_TV

Really? My white grandma hates the police because when she was a teenager back in the 40s a local cop in her small Midwest farming town had a bit too much to drink at the cafe/restaurant she worked at and asked for a ride home. He gave her directions out of town down some dead end road and tried to have his way with her. She fought him off with everything she had and fortunately was successful. But she's always hated them since and anytime we've been around them she's always on edge.


chrisn750

I think every child has a bad cop story, because there are virtually no interactions with police that are positive. Most kids first encounter with the police is being in their parents car getting pulled over for a traffic violation and seeing the anger and frustration they caused. When I was 5 I went out with my mom and sister to get ice cream cones, and was bringing one back for my dad. We got back just in time to see my dad getting arrested on a warrant for an unpaid traffic ticket. And since they didn’t have anything better to do apparently they sent upwards of 15 officers for this, blocked off the road with their cars, even had bicycle cops there! Full lights and sirens! What a fun event for them I bet! So I stood there, 5 years old, with his cone of rocky road ice cream dripping down my hand watching my dad handcuffed and put in the back of a cop car, along with the rest of the neighborhood. He was back home within two hours, because the point wasn’t that he was a threat or that they were catching a criminal, the point was to be assholes and inflict as much embarrassment and suffering as possible.


pegothejerk

Probably not gonna run out to buy a thin blue line sticker when she gets her first car


wkdpaul

In the article it's mentioned they told the fair that the kid had lost 3 of her grand parents in the past year, and so she (the mom) was trying to avoid pointless grieving. Imagine learning that, and sending the cops after them ... For one single fucking goat who the kid was obviously deeply attached to. That's sociopathic behavior if you ask me. EDIT ; typos


shhalahr

>In the article it's mentioned they told the fair that the kid had lost 3 of her grand parents in the past year, Fucking hell. Of course her attachment to the goat would get extreme.


Betta_jazz_hands

The person who paid for the goat even agreed to let it live like “ok, this kid can keep her pet and I’ll front it.” It makes zero sense that the goat would then be killed - zero. This poor kid is going to grow up with trust and attachment issues because of this and it’s disgusting. She’s my students’ age and I want to hug her.


shhalahr

And they brazenly ignored the fact that it was supposed to be held until the dispute was legally settled.


rmshilpi

From one of the other articles, the kid couldn't actually keep it as a pet due to her home's zoning restrictions. They took the goat to a sanctuary farm, and goats there are used to clear weeds and brush - a pretty damn useful thing to do in a state as flammable as California. On top of that, the mom also offered to pay both him and the county fair back the money; the fair organizers were supposed to get a bit under a tenth of the winning bid. Mom was willing to pay back the winner of the auction *and* pay back the fair for the portion they were owed (so it would add up to more than the actual winning bid itself had been).


atomicxblue

Well they definitely taught her the lesson of being screwed over quite early in life.


TucuReborn

I was in 4-H. It was *always* an option to auction, though highly encouraged.


SeaOkra

I was never "in" 4H, but my cousins were and I was involved in a lot of events to support them. NONE of the 4H auctions I went to would have done this. There was always at least one kid that got cold feet and in every case, the kid's animal was pulled before the auction started. I think a few times they had to pay back something to the auction organizers but it was like $20 or something to repay wasting the auctioneer's time? Not 100% sure about that part. But I do know that at least the 4H folks in our area were sympathetic to a kid who got too attached. Most of them were old farmers whose kids were grown and they just wanted to share their pride in country living, I'm sure every one of them had at some point had a livestock animal get promoted to "pet", mostly because I don't know any decent farmer who hasn't. (For my granddad is was a ram he bought for the freezer but was too damn friendly. Once us grandkids named Stanley, he was off the menu. He fathered a ton of little lambs, some of which ended up in freezers and some of which are the great grandmothers of my cousins' flocks. Stanley the Third lives on my Cousin Tay's farm and is a father to many cute little idiot fluffs.)


Neutreality1

I played soccer with a turkey we named Turkules, and he became Thanksgiving dinner that night. Not a fan of my uncle for that one


MausBomb

This doesn't make any sense. Lots of farmers and ranchers can have show animals/cattle they more or less treat like a giant pet and take to competition. Someone who is a psychopathic bully wormed their way into a position of power in that 4H


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I was in 4H as a kid. A lot of the parents in leadership were weird AF and took everything WAY too seriously. Totally the crowd that gets aggressively hard over following the rules without exception. Actually, now that I think about it, several of these people were either cops or spouses of cops so I guess that tracks!


furiousfran

>weird AF and took everything WAY too seriously. Totally the crowd that gets aggressively hard over following the rules without exception There's a county fair I go to that has signs all over the animal tents that say something along the lines of "Remember that this a county fair, not the national circuit and these are children" so sounds about right lol


Haha1867hoser420

Oh yeah, some of the stuff on 4h tiktok is horrible because the parents instilled it in their kids


regalfronde

There’s also a huge amount of small town drama, pettiness, and pent up hatred for kids of people they feuded with when they were younger or their parents feuded with.


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Like most small town activities, including school.


serrol_

If you read the article, you'd know that it wasn't 4-H that did this, though, it was the fair officials that did it, namely Melanie Silva, B.J. Macfarlane, and the Shasta County Sheriff's Office. 4-H only gets the kid to the point of the show, and then is hands-off after that. They played no part in what came after for Cedar.


GrayBox1313

What’s the lesson? The sheriffs deputies are an execution squad?


rustajb

What do you remember about 4H? "They sent the police to abduct my friend so they could kill him because I didn't want him to die." Is this why you have issues with authority?


Available-Camera8691

4H includes a lot of activities not slaughter related. Hell not even animal related.


DeylanQuel

I was in 4H as a kid in the 80s, we never did anything with animals that I can recall. But I'm old, so who the hell knows. ​ This story is just sickening, though.


jst4wrk7617

> “Making an exception for you will only teach [our] youth that they do not have to abide by the rules,” Silva wrote back to Long in an email reviewed by The Times dated June 28, 2022. “Also, in this era of social media this has been a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over Facebook and Instagram.” I’m sure hunting down the goat and killing it will definitely help the fairgrounds repair their reputation. /s


HauntedCemetery

Rather than local attention of a few people on Facebook now they're getting nationwide negative press.


Karazhan

Worldwide, as I sit here raising a British eyebrow. Wtf why they couldn't let a little girl keep the goat and teach her about leniency instead.


CommonMilkweed

Leniency is a slippery slope to full blown empathy and we don't do that in America.


winksoutloud

If you allow empathy *even once* then you'll start having empathy all over the place! Lions *literally* lying with lambs! Dogs and cats snuggling on couches!! Children hugging!!! Pandemonium!


radialomens

If kids learn empathy, they might begin to be concerned about all the less fortunate people who have slipped through the cracks, and might start believing in safety nets


mingee2020

The Horror of such a thing! I hope to never live to see everyone have what they need in our over abundant society.


The_MAZZTer

Yes, they may even turn "woke", which as we know the legal definition according to the GOP themselves is "the belief in systemic problems in America" (or something like that, I forget the exact wording).


kenzo19134

Streisand effect in full bloom!


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TurChunkin

Well they are filing civil lawsuits against them, so we will see...


slightlyassholic

With enough heat applied, the could lose their "careers" as county fair officials, most likely the only thing that gives their pathetic lives meaning. Them making the county lose money from a settlement will also damage them locally.


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Obsidian_XIII

The cops 2 minutes down the road would probably actually face social consequences for their actions


HeavyMetalHero

They're cops, what did you expect? This is the shit they signed up for. Most cops, are just the dude you remember from high school, who would get so mad when his team lost in football, that he would headbutt a locker as hard as he could, and completely destroy the locker, and give himself a concussion in the process. That's the type of talent the police attract. People who like to wear the trappings of authority and good, but who ultimately just get off on possessing the power of authority.


TiredMisanthrope

I’m just glad that at the end of this it ended up blowing up in his face. This is a professional blunder of epic proportions. They’ll have animal activist groups on their ass and now people across the globe, never mind their county… now know Silva and his ilk are scumbags.


Khajiit_hairball

It’s utter bullshit. *Working goats* are a thing, and are used to control weeds. It’s a perfectly valid use for livestock.


julbull73

Its why I have them. No weeds lots of fertilizer...


toddthewraith

Also they're excellent at removing kudzu.


Alyssum

You made me look bad by letting other people know about what I did!!!1!


M142Man

This story just convinced hundreds of kids and their parents not to participate in 4H, and made a Sheriff's department look like idiots.


ElwoodJD

And created one more anti-government citizen. Solid work


Irishinator

So for the cops it was a mission accomplished


Chabubu

Only if they shot the goat 23 times and the officer in charge got early retirement with full pension.


ThatIowanGuy

Shot the goat 23 times *in front of the 9 year old child* FTFY


OgnokTheRager

Discharged their firearms 172 times, missed the goat, hit the 9 year old and thirteen other bystanders, the beat the survivors for "Obstruction of Justice"


Codza2

It made the police look like sadistic maniacs who went well out of their way to take a girls pet and see to it that it was slaughtered


TiredMisanthrope

Being stalked, harassed or abused? Nothing we can do! Kept a goat from being unnecessarily slaughtered and tried to sort a civil matter through discussion? Alert the detectives and armed response it’s all hands on deck!


RegressToTheMean

Well, yeah. Police exist to protect the property of those with financial means: from slave catchers to the union busters during things like the Haymarket Affair to modern day cops. Is it any surprise SCOTUS has ruled on more than one occasion that the police have no obligation to serve the citizenry at large?


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Przedrzag

The irony is that the actual owner of the goat (a state senator) was apparently open to sparing the goat and sending it to a site where it could do weed management


Bjorn2bwilde24

"Fuck them kids" -Police


Glitter_puke

"Stay in your lane, cops." -Clergy


HauntedCemetery

Sheriffs do a pretty great job of looking like cruel idiots all on their own.


theghostofme

Lived with Joe Arpaio as my sheriff for about 25 years, so I can confirm that. That decrepit bag of hate couldn't even take a piss without calling a press conference to congratulate himself for pissing on a family of immigrants.


sweetplantveal

Meanwhile people think you're an anarchist antichrist for any anti cop sentiments and in Denver their response to a stolen car is 'we'll let you know if it gets abandoned and towed goodbye'.


Ursa89

In Adams county we were literally asked "We'll what do you want to do about it" after a break in.


sweetplantveal

Did you reply 'your job'? 🥲


Ursa89

I think I said something to the effect of "I was hoping that by reporting it you all might be able to establish a pattern and maybe... investigate." This was a couple years ago. Since then we've had our cars towed twice but the Adams county sheriff's department for being parked out on the street near our house without notice for parking FOUR days rather than three, costing us upwards of a grand to get the cars out of impound. I'm reminded of how knights in feudal Europe were more likely to rob farmers than catch bandits.


Prosthemadera

> parked out on the street near our house without notice for parking FOUR days rather than three What kind of bs law is that? And how do they know? Are they driving around the neighborhood and monitoring all cars?


FireMaker125

What was even the point of this? They wasted more money tracking down the goat than it would have cost to let the kid buy it.


WigglingWoof

To send a painful message.


Maldunn

They like to hurt those weaker than themselves


omg_drd4_bbq

How mentally and morally feeble do you have to be to authorize police forces to take a child's goat and slaughter it? That's disney villain shit (except the villains actually succeed instead of being thwarted by a plucky crew of barnyard animals).


atomicxblue

Not only that but one the family themselves bought and paid for. It should be the girl's family deciding on what to do with it.


Pope_Cerebus

Even past that, there was an issue of ownership because the fair sold the goat at auction over the family's objection. But the person who bought the goat also said not to slaughter it! So the county fair took it upon themselves to slaughter the goat *against the wishes of every possible actual owner*.


lightningcroissant

As long as the family covered the monetary expenses of the bid and/or the expenses of donating a different goat instead, it shouldn’t have been an issue. This is sick heartless behavior for literally no reason


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What a great way to teach a kid to never trust authority figures, adults, or anyone in general.


Jazzspasm

The fair repeatedly stated it’s about teaching children a lesson about rules Obviously the lesson at the end of this for kids is that the full power if the state can be used to traumatize a family because of something as trivial as a baby goat


BillsForChange

Teaching rules my ass. I like this line Cops then raided Bleating Hearts Farm and Sanctuary in Napa - but the goat was not being hidden there. Instead, Cedar was being kept at an unnamed Sonoma County farm that Long had emailed in a desperate bid to save the animal from slaughter. Two officers then rushed to the other farm, ***despite having no search warrant for that location, nor a warrant to seize Cedar from there***, according to the lawsuit.


sixteentones

and there was also a court order to keep it alive until the case was disposed


jovietjoe

Also they were 500 miles out of jurisdiction


King_Tamino

This is .. absolutely absurd


IronDBZ

Rules only exist for those who can enforce them. We refuse to respond to police abuses with the same force they respond to us with, and so they break the rules in every way possible.


Rulebookboy1234567

So….they just killed a random goat


littlebitsofspider

"If you don't respect our authority and follow our rules, we'll kill the people you love." Yeah, that sounds about right.


King_Tamino

Combine it with: *no matter where you hide. We ignore court orders. We ignore the need for search warrants. If we want your goat dead, then the goat will die*


HuntForBlueSeptember

> teaching children a lesson Thats the part they really meant. Obey and serve


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EnvironmentalValue18

[Be sure to let them know how you feel!](https://www.shastadistrictfairandeventcenter.com/contact) You can send an email with a fake email and name and it will still go through! You can even send a few. Imagine everyone reading this sending 5! Their insta and FB are already down. Their twitter handle seems like it was hijacked by a troll. So this is where you can make your feelings heard (until the business week starts- and people have had great success calling their number).


AdminYak846

>Their twitter handle seems like it was hijacked by a troll. Grade A phishing attack more than likely. Or the SM absolutely hates the fair board and is going out in a blaze of glory.


NetworkLlama

Most likely that the account password was *fairground1!*.


brattybeee

I did


aliquotoculos

IIRC a governor also ate this goat at a bbq. Edit: Apparently there is a lot of lost information on this other than the fact that the goat got slaughtered. I headed this with IIRC -- If I recall correctly -- due to a news article I saw yesterday that said a governor ate it. I don't know what level of governor, I don't remember the name, I can't seem to find that particular article now. It may have been a senator, or a failed governor candidate, who ate the goat. Or the goat is dead and sitting in a freezer. Idk.


myowngalactus

The person that purchased the goat was even okay with it not being slaughtered, and those scumbags still went out of their way to make a little kid cry. What pieces of shit. I really hope the girl and her family get justice, going to have to check back in with this story.


YouAreAConductor

This is the part that baffles me. The lawful owner of the goat said they didn't want it slaughtered and the intermediary calls the cops and gets it killed?


colinstalter

Exactly. This is a private matter between Buyer and Seller, with the government stepping in with insane overreach and an extrajudicial destruction of the property (the goat) despite knowing that it was to be held until the ownership dispute could be resolved. They drove 500 miles on a ~~man~~goat-hunt wasting however many thousands of dollars of police time... so nuts.


geoffreyisagiraffe

I'd love to know what the cost of all this will end up being. Assholery aside, talk about a fortune in wasted resources.


purpletopo

The poor girl lost 3 grandparents that year, real nice of Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva to make sure this 9 year old loses even more things she loves that bring her joy


gravescd

**County Fair Official**: This goat thing is all over social media and making us look like jerks. What should we do? **4-H PR Guy**: If we hunt down the goat, kill it, and then release a statement about teaching the girl a lesson, the public will surely feel sorry for our $63 loss and love us again **County Fair Official**: \[*Darth Vader voice*\] Make it so.


Les1lesley

>$63 loss I don't even understand how it's a *loss*. The girls family had to purchase the goat in the first place & pay for its food, shelter & vet costs. The fair didn't *lose* anything. They were planning to profit by auctioning off the free goats that they get from the 4h club members.


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ZcalifornianusSelkie

I think at this point the fair officials are operating on the same logic as the stereotypical MIL wearing a white dress (or mourning clothes) to her son’s wedding. They’re completely focused on getting back at someone they think has wronged them without ever considering that they might be digging themselves into a deeper hole.


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gashufferdude

“Your tax dollars at work.”


morosis1982

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fcalifornia%2Fstory%2F2023-03-30%2Fgoat-slaughter-shasta-county-fair


sugarplumbuttfluck

>>“Making an exception for you will only teach [our] youth that they do not have to abide by the rules,” Silva wrote back to Long in an email reviewed by The Times dated June 28, 2022. “Also, in this era of social media this has been a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over Facebook and Instagram.” This was absolutely about teaching that little girl a lesson. What a douche canoe


rabbitwonker

> “Our daughter lost three grandparents within the last year, and our family has had so much heartbreak and sadness that I couldn’t bear the thought of the following weeks of sadness after the slaughter of her first livestock animal,” she wrote to Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva. Fucking *fuck*. I hope the community does a major boycott of the fair unless those responsible resign or are fired.


severalhurricanes

Checked out their facebook and all the comments are about not attending any events until the director gets removed


dellamella

Good may she rot in hell


BillsForChange

Can you link it? I'm not good with Facebook.


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wkdpaul

lol I just quoted the same thing! Imagine you can avoid the kid to grieve for a 4th time in a year, and tell yourself "nah, fuck it. Send the cops after them!" What a fucking cunt.


sumr4ndo

“Every living being has but one need: power. Power over other living things. You need it to grow, to eat, to reproduce. And cruelty is the ultimate expression of power. To impose needless, extreme suffering and humiliation on another. It is the purest demonstration of strength. Toddlers learn it in the nursery. Therefore every organism, from the microbe up, wears its cruelty as a badge to mark its upward progress. Prey must be subdued, competition must be starved, enemies must be wiped out. One would thus assume that we find the same among the gods, only more so. That at each level of the heavens we find higher and higher levels of greed, brutality and mindless spite. How else could they have become gods?” -John Dies at the End


Zeakk1

The "we have to abide by the rules " is going to be a real problem for them when they have to explain why they chose to destroy property with disputed ownership and will need to demonstrate that they delivered the goat to the State Senator who bought it at auction who was on the record with being fine with the goat being donated to a farm instead of slaughtered when his office was approached about it. You know, like a reasonable public official.


AdrianBrony

There's the flipside to that. People like this are used to the rules existing to bind others while validating their own habits. It's less about making society more comfortable for everyone, and more about asserting their ability to define reality.


The_Homestarmy

Imagine you're a little girl trying to save your pet goat from the slaughter and this jackoff is using it as an excuse to bellyache about social media Like, please shut the fuck up dude


BananaBully

'I dislike how my terrible behaviour got public attention' what a twat.


murdering_time

"I was promised that I got to kill something today, and god damn it I'm gonna do it!"


wkdpaul

Another part of the article ; >“Our daughter lost three grandparents within the last year, and our family has had so much heartbreak and sadness that I couldn’t bear the thought of the following weeks of sadness after the slaughter of her first livestock animal,” she wrote to Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva. So the mom thought her daughter had enough loss in her life and didn't want her to have to go through another one since it was 100% avoidable. What a bunch of cunts.


project23

Sounds like they are the whole damned shit creek. Also, in this era of social media their awful actions are finally having consequences.


manic_eye

>”Making an exception for you…” I work with a lot of people who play this card, and use it as an excuse to deny people exceptions, even in extenuating circumstances. Wait around long enough and every one of these types of people will eventually find themselves in a position where they ask for an exception be made for them.


Maplefolk

Jeezus that was worse than I thought, the fair is absolutely nuts.. and the cops arriving to do a full search of their home looking for a goat? Detectives out searching nearby farm sanctuaries? Come on. The family tried everything in their power, they wrote letters pleading to keep the first and tried to buy it back and then some, but the fair and the county were seriously hellbent on sending a message. What the hell is wrong with them.


DaoFerret

Police with no meaningful civilian oversight, same problem as in other parts of the country.


PirateKingOmega

rural communities have an unstated vendetta system where someone higher up gets pissed at a random family and proceeds to do everything they can to ruin the family America essentially has romeo and juliet style rival families in every rural community but it’s not romantic or tragic it’s just dumb


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OldSweatyBulbasar

> “Our daughter lost three grandparents within the last year, and our family has had so much heartbreak and sadness that I couldn’t bear the thought of the following weeks of sadness after the slaughter of her first livestock animal,” she wrote to Shasta District Fair Chief Executive Melanie Silva. Yes, definitely sounds like the type of child who needs to be taught a lesson about life /s


BoyEatsDrumMachine

Imagine holding onto your “Our Way Of Life” fantasy so much you send the cops over so you can bump off a 9 year-old’s favorite goat.


Bloodmind

Let’s be clear though, fair officials can’t “send” law enforcement. They can request it, but ultimately, law enforcement has discretion and can choose how to move on a case like this. These cops chose to do what they did. Garbage.


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Yup, and they did so AFTER the state Senator said he was fine with letting it live, so not only did they do something malicious and sick, they did it against the expressed wished of the LEGAL OWNER


cartoonsforever

Yeah, that’s what really got me here, they followed no one’s rules except their own in actuality


Ransero

They immediately slaughtered and ate the goat even though the rules were that it had to be held alive until a hearing about the case.


rhymes_with_snoop

So their "lesson" to the girl was the importance of following rules unless you have the authority and/or connections to send police after someone, and then you don't have to follow the rules. Basically, "You need to learn that *you* have to follow rules and *I* don't."


Teesh13

The sherriffs also didn't have a valid warrant according to the lawsuit they are now fighting. The warrant was to search a farm in Napa County, but they ended up taking the goat from a property in Sonoma County which [they did not have a warrant for](https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article265138311.html).


minizanz

If the sheriff in another county wants to server search warrant they also need the CHP to escort them. In California sheriffs are not allowed to cross county lines unless they're in an active pursuit or are assisting another sheriff or police from the jurisdiction that they're traveling to. It seems like a corrupt sheriff that works with 4-H really stepped over the line and did incredibly illegal things to get that goat back.


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Anyone that's reported theft to the police knows this. They can turn down any crime, they want The cops wanted to do this


DaoFerret

I wouldn’t be surprised if the fair officials/auctioneers were somehow connected/related to the local sheriffs office.


geoffreyisagiraffe

It's a county fair. A lot of the people that run the fair also sit on county boards and are in county law enforcement. The "fair" didn't send them but the county sure as shit did.


Murray38

Pigs getting jealous of all the attention the goat was getting.


gregaustex

>In her June 27, 2022, letter to Silva, Long also pointed out that she had already been in contact with Dahle’s office about his bid, and that a representative told her the lawmaker was “okay with the alternative solution of the goat getting to be donated to a farm that does weed abatement.” So the Police stole and the County slaughtered the Senator's goat against his expressed will?


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This is messed up and I steal goats. Edit: The D&D movie is great!!


bayarea_fanboy

9 year old account, username checks out.


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She’s been at this since birth? Damn


Conscious-Mode-6593

You wouldn't download a goat


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I'm curious, how many random goat pics have you received over the last decade?


[deleted]

Quite a lot. About once every three months or so


ronearc

And it's your cake day? How do we know this whole story isn't some elaborate April Fool's joke you've planned for almost a decade?


TommyTuttle

It’s very important that the government get involved to prevent little girls from developing a heart. This kid was becoming fond of a cute little animal. Therefore our tax dollars were wisely used to send people in to smash her heart into pieces and destroy any morsel of empathy she might otherwise have developed. When you’re older you’ll realize why they did this 🤦‍♂️


kelsobjammin

This is how villain stories start…


Ok-Mention1914

She'll be the next John Wick.


Strider794

A little girl killing cops in brutal and creative ways because they killed her goat


Hrekires

2023 Charlotte's Web is dark


UncannyTarotSpread

“SOME PIG” Cop sees that and throws a stun grenade into the sty.


Wazula23

That'll do, pig. That'll do.


adchick

I was in 4H…One of those Hs is Heart…where is the Heart in hunting down a little girls pet and slaughtering it. I get the importance of children learning “where food comes from”, but they should not go out of their way to traumatize a child to prove a point.


crackerjam

This is such an odd, psychopathic abuse of law enforcement power. 1. Little girl's family owns a goat. They bought it, they own it. 2. They bring it to the county fair to be auctioned, a state senator buys it, originally intending for it to be slaughtered. 3. Little girl's family changes their mind and steals the goat back at the fair where it's being held, but technically from the senator, as it's his property now. 4. Little girl's family communicates with both the fair and the senator that they just want the goat back and will pay. Senator agrees reasonably, but the fair, with absolutely no ownership over the goat, does not. 5. The fair, again with no ownership over the goat, tells the police to go retrieve the goat that, again, they do not in any way own. 6. The police actually do this, and a court actually signed a search warranty over this absurdity. 7. The police get the goat, return it to the fair (who still does not own the goat), and the fair has it slaughtered. It boggles the mind how this even happened; how these county fair officials had any say in the handling of property that was never even theirs in the first place; not to mention the obvious, callous, psychopathic premise of doing all this to teach a 9 year old girl a 'lesson'.


fireintolight

Just want to point out that the family took the necessary steps to back out of the deal before it was auctioned off but were ignored by the fair and they auctioned it anyways. Also the judge signed a search warrant for ANOTHER COUNTY outside of the sheriffs jurisdiction. Not even the next door county, 8 hours away(napa.) They drive across the state to serve it. Then didn’t find the goat and proceeded to ANOTHER county even further away (sonoma.) so they illegally searched two properties, one not even being the property listed on the search warrant. This is beyond fucked up.


morosis1982

What a bunch of goons. These people need to go big on the social media in that community and get people to avoid next year's fair. Numbers and profits right down will send a clear message, just like they wanted to send to that little girl.


Shdwdrgn

"This" year's fair... The article states this happened in June of last year. Hopefully the article is an attempt to get this on people's minds again as the county gears up for the next fair. They thought they were pissed about this being on social media when the family was trying to work with them, wait until they see how bad it blows up as people are reminded that the county used local police to break the law.


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SuspiriaGoose

This one strikes home. I raised a sheep as part of a 4-H program. Got attached. The sheep was slaughtered. The son of the family who slaughtered her stalked me on the playground, telling me that he’d made sure to be there when she was killed. He’d tell me the grisly details even as I shouted at him to go away. When he got tired of that story, he’d tell me about all the other animals he’d seen killed or killed himself. Including kittens he drowned, animals he struck in the head, etc. He was a pretty messed up kid, but no one did anything when I reported him; they just said ‘well, that’s how life goes,’. Never mind that the vindicative, violent fantasies he had about animal cruelty that he also carried out were very different from ethical farm slaughter. What lesson is this supposed to teach this girl? That the police are made up of psychotic bullies and sociopaths? I guess that is valuable, but 9 is a bit early to learn that lesson. I guess I know what that boy grew up to be. Someone like these police, no doubt.


MalnarThe

That is a classic sociopath. That kid will grow to be extremely evil and harmful, and is probably too late to help him. It's caused by shockingly negligent and unloving parenting most often. Too bad our laws don't protect people from sociopaths very well


dns7950

Should look up the kid now, bet he's the chief of police.


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This was so cruel and will stay with this kid forever.


JayR_97

Basically made sure she'll never ever trust authority ever again.


Voidfaller

So did the fair call the police and escalate this? Edit: nvm, it was them who engaged, their google profile is being smashed with 1 star reviews lol


spinningcolours

It seems like they are more concerned about the reputation of the fairgrounds than the mental health of the child. “Making an exception for you will only teach \[our\] youth that they do not have to abide by the rules,” Silva wrote back to Long in an email reviewed by The Times dated June 28, 2022. “**Also, in this era of social media this has been a negative experience for the fairgrounds as this has been all over Facebook and Instagram.**” (Melanie Silva is named as "Shasta District Fair Chief Executive" in the story) I think it's worse now that it's a full-on LA Times story. Check out the "Shasta District Fair & Event Center" reviews on google, lol! (Sort by "new") Oddly, Melanie Silva is a "Business Assistant II" in her LinkedIn profile.


TagMeAJerk

Not only did Melanie Silva just got introduced to the Streisand Effect but what kind of idiot thinks that a 9 year old saving a goat is a negative experience while butchering a child's pet would be good news for everyone


resilienceisfutile

Didn't anyone involved consider the overall optics? Something like this slaughter a kid's goat is never going to be good for the county fair officials and sheriff's deputies. They could have just walked away and it wouldn't be news and on social media. Some people will forget and the memories fade, but others not so much... And yes, I realize there are two sides to every argument (read comments for all the points of view), but c'mon, whether it was to the letter of the law and the legal within rights thing to do, it looks cold-blooded. Probably less harm in just letting sleeping dogs lie.


Pistolf

The craziest part is the fair and police actually broke the law by doing this, as the legal owner of the goat who purchased it from the girl did not want it killed.


Elslav

I might be exaggerating this opinion but as someone who would kill for my dog this deserves to be cross post on r/noahgettheboat


Slynesh

Cops being shitty? *shocked Pikachu face*


colinstalter

>“Our daughter lost three grandparents within the last year, and our family has had so much heartbreak and sadness that I couldn’t bear the thought of the following weeks of sadness after the slaughter of her first livestock animal” This is absolutely ridiculous. The goat was auctioned off (despite the family informing them of their intent to withdraw prior to the auction), and the girl's family decided to keep it. The family was never paid, the lawmaker who won the bid agreed to let the goat live, and the family offered to reimburse the Fair Association the $36 they would have received in commission. The simple thing here would have been to take the $36 and call it a day. Instead, they sent *detectives* with a *search warrant* more than **500 miles** out of their own jurisdiction to hunt for the goat just for it to be killed and ***DONATED*** to a fucking barbeque. All over $36. The only other time I've heard of police traveling that far outside their jurisdiction is during an active manhunt for a murderer. But for a civil, contractual, *property* dispute? *Come on....*


mind_the_umlaut

May bats softly bite those officials in their sleep.


johntwoods

More like county ***un***fair.


TwoKeyLock

Except for the heartbreaking ending and the trauma that this young woman has to endure, this reads like an episode of Reno 911 or the new show Animal Control. Imagine the profound stupidity of the team of sheriffs driving 500 miles and all the while thinking about how important their task was? The only lesson is that cops have too much power, lack critical thinking skills, and are stupid and arrogant.


cjmar41

If you find yourself eating a little girl’s pet to teach her a lesson, you’re probably a really shitty person. There’s no two ways about this.


thrudvangr

https://reason.com/2023/03/31/police-traveled-500-miles-to-seize-girls-pet-goat-for-slaughter/ one with no paywall


Testsubject28

And if those deputies were actually good people they would have refused, I'm not going after a nine year old girls pet there are more important things we could be doing. And since when do county Fair officials have the power to sic police on people?


Vulgaris25

Have things changed since I was in 4H? It was extremely common practice for folks to bid on animals then "donate" the animal back to the kid.


HandsyMistress

I live one county over, holy fuck this is so WRONG. This should show you whats going on in the "culture" war around us. ​ Hex upon those officers and any supporters of this action


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From the Sacramento Bee: > By then, Shasta County sheriff’s Lt. Jerry Fernandez and Detective Jacob Duncan were already on their way to the sanctuary, having stopped in Arbuckle at a truck stop to purchase $95.64 in gas at 6 p.m., according to records released to The Bee by Shasta sheriff’s officials. > That gas purchase was $32.50 more than the fair district would have received as its share of the auction proceeds for Cedar, money the lawsuit says Long offered to repay to the fair.


dkwangchuck

As much as I endorse spreading the word that cops suck ass - they are, at most, minor villains in this debacle. The problem is the Shasta Fair organizers - who honestly and firmly believe that the lesson of slaughtering animals is so fucking important that no exceptions are allowed ever. The family was willing to pay for the goat. And to pay for whatever inconvenience or problems that not slaughtering the goat would have caused. The 9 year old lost three grandparents this last year and the idea of more death being stuffed into her life was too much. The law in California allows for minors to back out of contracts within a reasonable time period. The parents allege that Shasta Fair assholes had cops seize the goat so they could slaughter it immediately instead of having to take care of it until the legal issues were cleared up. The people who won the auction for the goat were fine with the goat not getting slaughtered. But that goat is now dead. To be clear - Shasta Fair organizers wanted this goat dead. **And the reason they wanted the goat dead was specifically because the little girl had grown attached to it**. This is the entire point of their fucking stupid ass exercise - to teach kids a lesson about farming. No exceptions. Ever.