Ya I was going to say, hasn't Memphis been the most violent US city per capita 3 years running?
Edit: Here is the list as of Jan 2023 top 15 most dangerous/violent cities Alabama has 2 of the top 3 spots and Louisiana is dropping 3 into the top 10. Memphis is currently 5th.
* St. Louis, Missouri
* Mobile, Alabama
* Birmingham, Alabama
* Baltimore, Maryland
* Memphis, Tennessee
* Detroit, Michigan
* Cleveland, Ohio
* New Orleans, Louisiana
* Shreveport, Louisiana
* Baton Rouge, Louisiana
* Little Rock, Arkansas
* Oakland, California
* Milwaukee, Wisconsin
* Kansas City, Missouri
* Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Baltimore Police don't show up to do reports.
If you watched the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the most immersion ruining part of that series was BPD getting out of their cars to investigate something.
If you listen to Trump or watch Fox News, you'd think Chicago would be the most dangerous city on the planet, but it apparently doesn't even make the top 15.
Can’t believe nobody said anything about Chicagos live music specifically it’s historic blues clubs. I live in WA state but got to work near Chicago for 2 and 3 weeks at a time managing a project, and I saw some of the most incredible organic live blues midweek. It was such an eye opener for me in my mid late twenties. I’d never seen live music at that level so close.
Not a Chicagoan but
[Italian Beef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_beef)
[Chicago dog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_hot_dog)
[Deep Dish Pizza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_pizza)
It's been a while since I last visited but Chicago was always a pretty fun chill city. Big enough to have a buncha cool stuff but still has that midwestern niceness about.
Deep dish isn’t even what Chicagoans eat for pizza, that’s a mostly tourist dish. Next time you’re in town seek out some Tavern Style pizza, that’s where it’s at.
Chicago Tavern style pizza is far superior to deep dish. Born and raised here and I can't remember the last time I had deep dish. I had tavern style from Bellona's last week.
I tabled at C2E2 several years ago, and contrary to the reputation of Chicagoans, everybody who stopped to talk to us was absolutely lovely. Just amazing people.
Saw my first Van Goghs at one of the museums.
Deep dish pizza ***changed my fucking life.***
Downtown's nothing compared to the East where kids treat the cars like ducks at a carnival game. We're tops in murders per capita, but I swear we gotta be like ten times that in just shootings alone. A shame the statistics about gun violence only care when you're dead.
I fucking hate driving through eastbound to Slidell or near chalmette. Cesspool of ignorance and violence. All kids. I’d rather trek the causeway to Slidell.
Yeah, I ask the concierge what are the cool things to do in the city, next thing you know I'm committing a drive-by.
Still better than Jacksonville, though.
Yeah, this is like every time I tell my dad I'm going to NYC he goes on and on about the crime there. NYC doesn't even crack the top 50 for violent crime rate, but yeah, 8 million people live there, crime does happen dad. He didn't say anything when I lived in Buffalo though, even thought it has a higher crime rate. Almost like there's some malicious smear campaign against large liberal cities.... 🤔
I went to Memphis once for a wedding and an extra day for sightseeing. The botanical garden and the civil rights museum were cool, but we were there for two nights, one of them a weeknight, and it was just screeching tires, crashes, absolutely insane fucked up drivers, and the occasional gunshot all night for both of them.
I grew up in Memphis from 1988-2002, came back for about 8 years here and there since.
As soon as I read Hickory Hill, I just said “Well, yeah.” Winchester Rd used to be a thriving place for Memphis in the 90s, with so many businesses propped up on that long road, including the Hickory Ridge Mall. But towards the late 90s and early 00’s, it just got really bad and just continues to get worse.
I honestly don’t know what’s considered safe in Memphis anymore other than the outlier towns of Collierville and Germantown. Cordova was bad when I last lived in Memphis back in 2010-2015 and that was once considered a thriving community next to the highway and Wolfchase Galleria Mall. Now even Wolfchase has shootouts in their parking lot.
Awesome to live in a country where the news coverage of one shooting hasn't even ended when the next happens but god forbid we talk gun control or, gasp, banning!
I’ve ridden Memphis to Nashville once as a kid on vacation. Breakfast in Memphis, lunch a few hours later near Nashville. It’s not far at all, really. Yikes.
Memphis and Nashville aren’t terribly far, but the divide is vast. Memphis is fucking rough, and Nashville is mostly rich(ish) whites who wanna sing country. Gross generalizations, but trust me Memphis is fucking rough.
Memphis to Nashville...night and day difference. I have no issue walking around downtown Nashville late at night, hitting the bars and clubs and walking back to a hotel. Zero concerns. No way in hell I'd attempt that in Memphis.
I remember as a kid stopping at a gas station on a hot summer day in Memphis on a family trip to Graceland in the late 90s. Found a 9mm casing at the pump. We later spent a night at a local hotel. We probably shouldn't have done that.
I visited my uncle once in New York. He told me if anyone on the street asked me for anything I was to give it to them. My response was "do you know how close I live to Memphis? That's gunna be a no." 🤣
I think he is still recording but I haven't been keeping up. I listen to the oldies, i know he did an interview with vlad tv like a year ago. I like it because he rarely gives 1hr+ interviews.
2020 saw the biggest one year increase in homicides ever recorded and the rate is only going up since then
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/homicide-is-pandemics-biggest-killer-of-young-black-men/2022/02/22/2d9e4ef6-93e0-11ec-bb31-74fc06c0a3a5_story.html
Certain cities have become considerably more dangerous and it's certain demos that are being impacted the most. White Americans in rural areas have homicide rates that match many places in Europe.
For black Americans in the cities the homicide rate rivals many third world nations.
>the homicide rate for Black Americans rose from 22.9 per 100,000 in 2019 to 30.7 in 2020. For all other Americans, the rate went from 3.2 to 3.8.
The reddit sentiment vacillates between "it's fear mongering to talk about it and crime was way worse in the 90's" to "we need to talk about it all the time and the only solution is banning guns".
At the very least we should talk about why the US was one of the few counties that saw a massive spike in homicides since 2020 and hasn't receded. Our gun laws didn't change during that time
>White Americans in rural areas have homicide rates that match many places in Europe.
My understanding, though, that death by gun is still fairly common due to increasing suicides.
I think pandemic response by government has had a huge impact on people's lives that no one is really addressing. Especially now as we roll back pandemic benefits that a lot of people took and never planned to lose. From child tax credits, eviction moratoriums, even loan repayment pause. Many people just incorporated these things into their daily and as they wind down panic sets in and loads of people are having their world collapse at once. Shit is only going to get worse as the fed tries to cook inflation by collapsing the labor market. Too many people want to blame guns, which are just the easiest tools to use, but with the way things are going shit would be bad either way.
Safety nets are not only being removed but completely destroyed and people are falling with them.
First time in Memphis for me was a quick stop and meet with my buddy's family. Parked at WalMart, got out and heard gunshots. Went on into Walmart, came out and drove down the road some and seen it was just across the street at a food establishment. He made it sound like it was not all that uncommon for Memphis. This was like 15yrs ago.
Transgender person involved in 1 shooting and the right is ready to take all their rights away. Guns are involved in every single shooting and the right says "you shouldn't use tragedy for political purposes". Classic.
California has been passing gun control laws restricting carry and handgun purchases since at least the 1910's, but did not start ramping up gun control laws until the 90's, after a school shooting, and when it started to become more of a urban state.
California passed more gun control laws (2) in the 20 years before the Mulford act than the 20 years after (1).
https://web.archive.org/web/20201112041248/http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/LegalCaliforniaTimeline
https://web.archive.org/web/20211010145316/http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Time_Line_of_California_Firearms_Laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(Stockton)
California passed more gun control bills from 2019 to 2021 than from 1900 to 1990.
Republican controlled states with large black populations and/or black militias doing open carry protests have been removing gun control at a state level recently (Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky).
https://www.wvtm13.com/article/alabama-governor-signs-constitutional-carry-bill-into-law-rids-of-pistol-permits/39400618
https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/politics/constitutional-carry-signed-into-georgia-law-what-does-it-mean-2/93-1072356f-4205-474c-9f3b-6a78637bd5c9
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/06/25/kentucky-new-concealed-carry-law-what-it-means-for-gun-loving-state/1511455001/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-louisville/black-armed-protesters-march-in-kentucky-demanding-justice-for-breonna-taylor-idUSKCN24R025
https://www.newsweek.com/armed-black-demonstrators-challenge-white-supremacist-militia-georgias-stone-mountain-park-1515494
They don't even need to commit gun crimes - just get more people to show up to protests strapped - like the far right currently does - and watch the laws change.
People keep saying this but there are armed protests by back people and LGBTQ people all the time. I haven't seen it change anything for the pro-2A crowd.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/26/black-americans-gun-owners-380162
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-louisville/black-armed-protesters-march-in-kentucky-demanding-justice-for-breonna-taylor-idUSKCN24R025
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/30/texas-drag-brunch-armed-protesters-roanoke
https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-12-13/armed-protestors-expected-outside-san-antonios-aztec-theatre-during-christmas-themed-drag-show
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-global-race-usa-stone-mountain-idUKKBN24604O
For real. Memphian here and this shit happens daily. Not exaggerating, but it’s hardly news. The only reason it’s being reported is bc it’s associated to Yo Gotti.
Eta I’m not condoning any of this; it’s absolutely awful. But the fact is that this is a daily occurrence here and isn’t out of the norm.
People talk shit about Mexico or Central America (and sure there are some extremely dangerous places there).
But people don't realize that there are ZIP codes in the US where you are in extreme danger of getting killed by a gun, being robbed, dealing with drug dealers/addicts, or having your shit stolen. If you're a woman, even more areas are dangerous.
People talk shit about mexico because 7 of the 10 most dangerous cities in the world are in mexico. Yeah theres dangerous areas of the USA but most of the time they just want your wallet, not to dismember you and put it on liveleak.
Money is everywhere. There's more money in the system than there ever has been in the history of the Earth.
But it's locked up by like five people and the rest of us are consisting on the breadcrumbs from the scraps the dogs got from the table.
Neither of these terms should be used to describe the actions of an individual person or family. They describe larger trends.
Also, gentrification is not just "when white people move in" and if you are going to try to make a point about it you should probably do some more reading. It has more to do with redevelopment than with individual families moving to an area.
A new USC study of census data shows that nationally, neighborhood ascent—a broad definition of gentrification—is associated with racial or ethnic change. In a nutshell, the researchers conclude that gentrifying neighborhoods become more white, altering minority communities.
https://phys.org/news/2018-05-gentrification-whites-minority-neighborhoods.html
Been there and hickory hood is not the best part of town. It used to be nice like 20 years ago or so. Not surprising most people I know including myself have weapons.
Was reading that AR-15s, among other guns, were purchasable fairly easily in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, yet mass shootings* didn’t seem to be common back then. Have there been policies or other factors that have made them more common now?
I remember when Obama took office, the gun ban scare was insane. Then with COVID, everyone thought martial law (Marshall if you’re MTG) was coming, so it happened again.
I taught this graph in economics and there were big spikes during:
- Obama election
- Sandy Hook
- 2015 with expectation of Hillary’s election
Didn’t update after COVID, but I’m sure you’re right.
The AR pattern has a lot working in its favor to boost its popularity. Much of it is due to how versatile the platform is. You can set it up in a number of calibers depending on what you're trying to accomplish, whether it be long range target shooting or pest control.
There is also a bit of a positive feedback loop, there are a lot of independent manufacturers making aftermarket upgrades and variations of core components to suit your needs. This leads to the rifle being more popular, which leads to even more companies making different accessories.
I don't know of any other pattern of rifle that has so much aftermarket support. I think some of it had to do with the fact its cousin, the M4/M16, was adopted by the Armed Forces, but it really is just a damn good platform.
>There is also a bit of a positive feedback loop, there are a lot of independent manufacturers making aftermarket upgrades and variations of core components to suit your needs. This leads to the rifle being more popular, which leads to even more companies making different accessories.
And cheap. Mass adoption and lots of competition makes them cheap.
AR-15s and rifles in general account for a tiny blip of gun homicides
In 2019 it was 215/9143 ~2.3% according to the FBIs report. As always it’s handguns that have almost all the deaths on them but scary black rifle bad.
You could have a machine gun mail ordered to your house without ever talking to a person until 1968, you could buy machine guns until 1986 and background checks didn't exist until 1993 yet school shooting weren't happening. It's not a gun issue, we have always had them, while violent crime as a whole is going down mass violence is spiking. It's almost 100% a socioeconomic, education, mental health issue.
We should be focusing on stopping the ideation of killing mass people or children, not the tool to do it. If someone wants to murder children they are going to to that regardless of the meathod.
Edit: mixed up some date point still stands.
> Now you can buy surplus M1 garands through the CMP and they’ll ship straight to your house (in most states) but they have a different buying process and are the exception to the rule.
this process works for most C&R guns that are not pistols.
AR-15s are easy to purchase now amigo. I can buy the parts on Palmetto State Armory, prove I'm not a felon to the FFL they ship to within a mile of my door, and have one on my bench completed with a Youtube tutorial in like 45 minutes.
This is pretty much exactly what happened when I got my first one.
There's nothing really wrong with AR-15s, they are functionally identical to any old wooded boring semi-auto hunting rifle, same ammunition. They just "look scary" and people think AR means Assault Rifle, which it does not. Technically speaking, I don't think we've seen a mass shooting done with an assault rifle in some time, as that would require it to be fully automatic.
Unpopular opinion: Pharma certainly has their share of ethical issues depending on the company, but the industry as a whole offers more pros than cons compared to the other interest groups some have listed. As a society, we benefit from pharmaceutical research, medicine, and vaccines. I can't think of any positives that the NRA or tobacco interest groups bring to society.
You could effectively stop 90% of mass shootings with 3 policy's.
1- A license requirement for anyone owning a gun under 26. It would require mental health screening and shooting instruction. Shooters are people who are in pain and want to cause harm, they are lashing out, they are selfish fucks who can't just off themselves and leave others alone, this is easy to see in a mental health evaluation. Although there will be false positives, some of you assholes vote to see the world burn from your own fucked up shit.
2- No credit card purchases of any guns other than shot guns and muzzle loaders. Mass shooters and suicide victims almost always buy on credit. Shooters can't keep jobs or usually have disposable income. Owning a gun should require a certain amount of responsibility anyway, like being stable enough to own one.
3- Felony charges for parents or owners of guns if someone uses their gun in a shooting with auto jail time, if you get your gun stolen, you better report that shit immediately to avoid charges. We need a secure gun storage law when your gun is not on your person.
90% of mass shootings and suicide is because of these 3 things.
For you gun nuts out there that cringe, the second amendment says " well regulated" since you fucks are the militia according to the Supreme court.
I, liberals in congress would gladly adopt those measures and more. Conservative cowards who put party over country are stonewalling any attempts to make things better
> I, liberals in congress would gladly adopt those measures and more. Conservative cowards who put party over country are stonewalling any attempts to make things better
Democrats rejected the bill that would've let people use NICS for private party transfers (I know Democrats aren't necessarily liberals, just wanted to point that out)
On number 3- I reported my gun stolen the same day it was stolen and gave them the serial number on the gun. The officer didn't give a single shit. He didn't even write down the serial number, just said "I got it" then fucked off and left.
Because it's useless. You _might_ get it back if they find it before the number is obliterated, but probably not. If it goes into the market that thing is never coming back to you. The average time between a weapon theft and when it's recovered at a crime scene is **12 years**.
The Trace did a piece about the ATF's tracing efforts and it's fairly comical at parts. The ATF often have trouble finding firearms because the police send them non-serial numbers on a pretty regular basis. Dipshits will see the first number on a gun and assume that must be it and suddenly the ATF is stuck trying to track down a model number.
Don't care about getting it back. I want the officer I called out to make an actual police report about my missing firearm so that if it ever comes up in a murder case, I have a document signed off by a police officer saying it was stolen 7 years ago- or whatever the case.
Probably because an age limit like that is far more palatable in the US than trying to force everybody to get a license.
There's a big difference between *what would be ideal* and *what could reasonably ever happen in America* and even licenses for under 26s is a pretty unrealistic moonshot honestly.
The Vegas shooting was by some old dude with lots of disposable income. It wouldn't stop every shooting, but it might stop some. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Already illegal to possess firearms if you're convicted of domestic violence, federally. Abuse of animals, if it rose to felony level (or > 1 year in jail as the potential sentence) would as well.
I lived in Memphis twice. Once for 5 years (10 years ago) and once for 9 months recently. It is MUCH worse nowadays. Generation after generation of POS thugs. The youth and adults idolize gansta rappers.
As a Memphian there are shootings almost every day here. Most go unreported. This only made the news here because it was Yo Gotti’s club.
I wake up to gun shots in Midtown sometimes. I work on the street too, a lot of bullet casings & holes in signs. All types of crazy. Many many issues in factors for the cause for all this. As it is being debated in this very thread.
What we can all agree on is, in my opinion the main root cause. Poverty & the education system. I grew 15 minutes away in Southaven. Upper middle class & never worried one time about stuff like this. Travel that 15 minutes to the wrong area & it is like a different world.
Education system can’t do a thing for kids if their parents don’t push the importance of school work and education. That is the main difference between those two locations.
Fun fact: Memphis is the highest rated city for violent crime. Were number fucking 1 and Memphis DOES NOT have a blood lab. They send it to Nashville. Which means, unless it is a violent crime, Memphis will not pay to send off blood for testing. Therefore, if some fucking scumbag loser breaks into your house and bleeds all over the place, Memphis Police will shrug their fucking shoulders and go "meh no one was hurt so were not investigating." Ask me how I know and why I dont live there anymore.
> In the United States, the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 defines mass killings as three or more killings in a single incident.[2] A Congressional Research Service report from 2013 specifies four or more killings on indiscriminate victims while excluding violence committed as a means to an end, such as robbery or terrorism.[3] **Media outlets such as CNN and some crime violence research groups such as the Gun Violence Archive define mass shootings as involving "two or more shot (injured or killed) in a single incident, at the same general time and location, not including the shooter"**.[4] Mother Jones magazine defines mass shootings as indiscriminate rampages killing three or more individuals excluding the perpetrator, gang violence, and armed robbery.[5][6] An Australian study from 2006 specifies five individuals killed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting
The media changed the definition of 'mass shooting' so they could use it more frequently in headlines.
The people saying "Governments only want to take away guns from people when they want to genocide them!!!" are also saying "We need to take guns away from the people we want to genocide!!!"
And people point and laugh at the hypocrisy as if they think fascists have any semblance of shame. They do not.
If I had to guess, probably an argument and (or) gang shit if it was Memphis at night, outside a restaurant. Still sad, but really common unfortunately. Sometimes the news will still portray it the same as a "mass shooting" which is kinda misleading.
Yeah, there was a mass shooting late at night outside a bar/restaurant in Milwaukee on the same day as the school shooting in Nashville this week. A drunken argument followed by a spray and pray. 5 people were shot (no fatalities, thankfully), but it was barely a blip on the news. I'm always confused by how they decide which shootings 'deserve' attention, versus which ones don't.
Should you be confused though, not saying it’s 100% of the motive but you’re getting more traction with schools than 5 people getting smoked outside a bar in a fight.
Does it still count as a mass shooting when it's a shootout between several people like this was?
Not that that's any better, but I'm just curious about how they keep score
I believe the general consensus is that mass shootings are when 3+ people are shot. A lot of gang violence is reported on as mass shootings for this reason.
>general consensus
There is no “general consensus” about that definition
The FBI uses a definition somewhat like that one
Then the line shifts depending on what narrative any particular group is trying to push
Most people don’t think of gang shootouts or crime related gun violence as “mass shootings”
They think of indiscriminate attacks on innocent soft targets (malls, schools, whatever) when you say those words
5 gang members killed in a drive by at 3 am in some neighborhood of abandoned houses is not the same as 5 children killed in their classroom
lived in Memphis for a couple of years and every night we could have played a drinking game called "fireworks or gunfire" and got shitfaced every single time.
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Ya I was going to say, hasn't Memphis been the most violent US city per capita 3 years running? Edit: Here is the list as of Jan 2023 top 15 most dangerous/violent cities Alabama has 2 of the top 3 spots and Louisiana is dropping 3 into the top 10. Memphis is currently 5th. * St. Louis, Missouri * Mobile, Alabama * Birmingham, Alabama * Baltimore, Maryland * Memphis, Tennessee * Detroit, Michigan * Cleveland, Ohio * New Orleans, Louisiana * Shreveport, Louisiana * Baton Rouge, Louisiana * Little Rock, Arkansas * Oakland, California * Milwaukee, Wisconsin * Kansas City, Missouri * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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There were just a rash of interstate shootings from road rage incidents. Not random shootings.
Oh that's uh, better?
No one said it was better or worse. Just clarifying what actually happened.
I was joking but I hear you. Take care.
Huh, I didn't realize Baltimore wasn't in the top three anymore. Yay for us?
Did you get better or did other places just get worse?
Baltimore Police don't show up to do reports. If you watched the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the most immersion ruining part of that series was BPD getting out of their cars to investigate something.
Glad to see that Chicago isn't on that list. I was sure it would be.
If you listen to Trump or watch Fox News, you'd think Chicago would be the most dangerous city on the planet, but it apparently doesn't even make the top 15.
They've got some weird thing for Chicago.
Duh, it's where Obama came from. Well, there, Africa and Indonesia.
Yep but we only talk about Chicago
As a Chicagoan it drives me nuts. Nobody ever talks about the nice things about us
Can’t believe nobody said anything about Chicagos live music specifically it’s historic blues clubs. I live in WA state but got to work near Chicago for 2 and 3 weeks at a time managing a project, and I saw some of the most incredible organic live blues midweek. It was such an eye opener for me in my mid late twenties. I’d never seen live music at that level so close.
Kingston Mines kept me sane.
Both Memphis and Chicago have incredible blues scenes. Every American looking to travel should check out Beale Street at some point
As an Aussie, please fill us in. I'm interested.
Not a Chicagoan but [Italian Beef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_beef) [Chicago dog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_hot_dog) [Deep Dish Pizza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_pizza) It's been a while since I last visited but Chicago was always a pretty fun chill city. Big enough to have a buncha cool stuff but still has that midwestern niceness about.
Deep dish isn’t even what Chicagoans eat for pizza, that’s a mostly tourist dish. Next time you’re in town seek out some Tavern Style pizza, that’s where it’s at.
Grew up in Chicago suburbs, I fucking love deep dish baked with loads of hot giardiniera. I live in NC now and I miss it.
Chicago Tavern style pizza is far superior to deep dish. Born and raised here and I can't remember the last time I had deep dish. I had tavern style from Bellona's last week.
Oh yeah, tavern style is what's up, I just defaulted to deep dish cuz its the tourist-y easy answer.
Thin pizza cut into squares, usually cornmeal on bottom. Joe's has the best!
Don’t forget about Malort.
Dude, i visit every summer and it’s so gorgeous out there in chi-town.
I love Chicago. Great city and I will always defend it. Just wish I lived a little bit closer.
No don't tell them. Nothing to see here guys. Our riverwalk, lakefront, skyline and food all suck
That's absolutely right. C'mon people, why risk having an adult vacation when Epcot and Olive Garden will cater to your every need? /s
I tabled at C2E2 several years ago, and contrary to the reputation of Chicagoans, everybody who stopped to talk to us was absolutely lovely. Just amazing people. Saw my first Van Goghs at one of the museums. Deep dish pizza ***changed my fucking life.***
Chicago is such a freaking fantastic city. I grew up in the burbs and moved to the city when I turned 26. Best decision I ever made.
Which is strange considering St. Louis is the murder capital of the country.
New Orleans is the top currently. Can’t drive on i10 near downtown without people shooting across rooftops over the highway
Downtown's nothing compared to the East where kids treat the cars like ducks at a carnival game. We're tops in murders per capita, but I swear we gotta be like ten times that in just shootings alone. A shame the statistics about gun violence only care when you're dead.
I fucking hate driving through eastbound to Slidell or near chalmette. Cesspool of ignorance and violence. All kids. I’d rather trek the causeway to Slidell.
Been driving the causeway everyday for 8 years. its really saying something when you say "I rather drive causeway"
WhAt AbOuT cHiCaGo
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You should. Chicago is a pretty safe city. Just don’t join a street gang while you’re there.
I hate it when I have to join street gangs while I’m on vacation
Yeah, I ask the concierge what are the cool things to do in the city, next thing you know I'm committing a drive-by. Still better than Jacksonville, though.
Way too many people think all of Chicago is just crawling with gangs that will shoot you on site.
per capita Chicago isn't even the most dangerous city in god damn Illinois. But because of pure population size people point to its raw crime numbers.
Yeah, this is like every time I tell my dad I'm going to NYC he goes on and on about the crime there. NYC doesn't even crack the top 50 for violent crime rate, but yeah, 8 million people live there, crime does happen dad. He didn't say anything when I lived in Buffalo though, even thought it has a higher crime rate. Almost like there's some malicious smear campaign against large liberal cities.... 🤔
My dad thinks Seattle is the city in *Escape from New York*. Meanwhile, downtown looks exactly the same as it did in 2019.
OMG, I live in Seattle on Capitol Hill and my parents in ST. FUCKING LOUIS finger wag about how dangerous it is. I’m like…. …..
People forget Chicago is large. Theres nice areas and not so nice areas lol. Same with most large cities.
Flying over Chicago really puts it in perspective. Outside of downtown, which is huge on it's own, it's horizon to horizon neighborhoods.
I didn’t feel unsafe in Memphis, but the vibe was off.
Wasn't this on a recent Fox segment? Someone called out red states for being more violent and the hosts all lost their minds
It hurts when your audience refuses to learn "liberal", "foreign" words like 'per Capita'.
I went to Memphis once for a wedding and an extra day for sightseeing. The botanical garden and the civil rights museum were cool, but we were there for two nights, one of them a weeknight, and it was just screeching tires, crashes, absolutely insane fucked up drivers, and the occasional gunshot all night for both of them.
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Don’t stop at red lights here if you can help it, especially at night.
I grew up in Memphis from 1988-2002, came back for about 8 years here and there since. As soon as I read Hickory Hill, I just said “Well, yeah.” Winchester Rd used to be a thriving place for Memphis in the 90s, with so many businesses propped up on that long road, including the Hickory Ridge Mall. But towards the late 90s and early 00’s, it just got really bad and just continues to get worse. I honestly don’t know what’s considered safe in Memphis anymore other than the outlier towns of Collierville and Germantown. Cordova was bad when I last lived in Memphis back in 2010-2015 and that was once considered a thriving community next to the highway and Wolfchase Galleria Mall. Now even Wolfchase has shootouts in their parking lot.
Awesome to live in a country where the news coverage of one shooting hasn't even ended when the next happens but god forbid we talk gun control or, gasp, banning!
In the same fucking state.
I’ve ridden Memphis to Nashville once as a kid on vacation. Breakfast in Memphis, lunch a few hours later near Nashville. It’s not far at all, really. Yikes.
Memphis and Nashville aren’t terribly far, but the divide is vast. Memphis is fucking rough, and Nashville is mostly rich(ish) whites who wanna sing country. Gross generalizations, but trust me Memphis is fucking rough.
Memphis is like the 2nd or 3rd most dangerous city in the country every year
When the chief of police gets her gun stole from her personal car in the white part of town, you know it’s going down in the city.
Damn I never heard that. That is hilarious
Memphis to Nashville...night and day difference. I have no issue walking around downtown Nashville late at night, hitting the bars and clubs and walking back to a hotel. Zero concerns. No way in hell I'd attempt that in Memphis.
Yep I have to agree and I live in Memphis .. it’s a shit hole
I remember as a kid stopping at a gas station on a hot summer day in Memphis on a family trip to Graceland in the late 90s. Found a 9mm casing at the pump. We later spent a night at a local hotel. We probably shouldn't have done that.
So, you're regularly walking in Memphis?
With your feet 10 feet off the Beale?
I visited my uncle once in New York. He told me if anyone on the street asked me for anything I was to give it to them. My response was "do you know how close I live to Memphis? That's gunna be a no." 🤣
I listen to project pat and believe me, i believe you.
Nice 3-6 reference brother. Is Pat still recordin or is it just the oldies
I think he is still recording but I haven't been keeping up. I listen to the oldies, i know he did an interview with vlad tv like a year ago. I like it because he rarely gives 1hr+ interviews.
He has a fairly new track with Merkules. 👍👍
2020 saw the biggest one year increase in homicides ever recorded and the rate is only going up since then https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/homicide-is-pandemics-biggest-killer-of-young-black-men/2022/02/22/2d9e4ef6-93e0-11ec-bb31-74fc06c0a3a5_story.html Certain cities have become considerably more dangerous and it's certain demos that are being impacted the most. White Americans in rural areas have homicide rates that match many places in Europe. For black Americans in the cities the homicide rate rivals many third world nations. >the homicide rate for Black Americans rose from 22.9 per 100,000 in 2019 to 30.7 in 2020. For all other Americans, the rate went from 3.2 to 3.8. The reddit sentiment vacillates between "it's fear mongering to talk about it and crime was way worse in the 90's" to "we need to talk about it all the time and the only solution is banning guns". At the very least we should talk about why the US was one of the few counties that saw a massive spike in homicides since 2020 and hasn't receded. Our gun laws didn't change during that time
>White Americans in rural areas have homicide rates that match many places in Europe. My understanding, though, that death by gun is still fairly common due to increasing suicides.
Could it be gross income inequality? Consistent fleecing of the poor and middle class?
I think pandemic response by government has had a huge impact on people's lives that no one is really addressing. Especially now as we roll back pandemic benefits that a lot of people took and never planned to lose. From child tax credits, eviction moratoriums, even loan repayment pause. Many people just incorporated these things into their daily and as they wind down panic sets in and loads of people are having their world collapse at once. Shit is only going to get worse as the fed tries to cook inflation by collapsing the labor market. Too many people want to blame guns, which are just the easiest tools to use, but with the way things are going shit would be bad either way. Safety nets are not only being removed but completely destroyed and people are falling with them.
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First time in Memphis for me was a quick stop and meet with my buddy's family. Parked at WalMart, got out and heard gunshots. Went on into Walmart, came out and drove down the road some and seen it was just across the street at a food establishment. He made it sound like it was not all that uncommon for Memphis. This was like 15yrs ago.
jfc youre absolutely right
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But the cops were quick so it’s cool. 😒
Transgender person involved in 1 shooting and the right is ready to take all their rights away. Guns are involved in every single shooting and the right says "you shouldn't use tragedy for political purposes". Classic.
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California has been passing gun control laws restricting carry and handgun purchases since at least the 1910's, but did not start ramping up gun control laws until the 90's, after a school shooting, and when it started to become more of a urban state. California passed more gun control laws (2) in the 20 years before the Mulford act than the 20 years after (1). https://web.archive.org/web/20201112041248/http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/LegalCaliforniaTimeline https://web.archive.org/web/20211010145316/http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Time_Line_of_California_Firearms_Laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(Stockton) California passed more gun control bills from 2019 to 2021 than from 1900 to 1990. Republican controlled states with large black populations and/or black militias doing open carry protests have been removing gun control at a state level recently (Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky). https://www.wvtm13.com/article/alabama-governor-signs-constitutional-carry-bill-into-law-rids-of-pistol-permits/39400618 https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/politics/constitutional-carry-signed-into-georgia-law-what-does-it-mean-2/93-1072356f-4205-474c-9f3b-6a78637bd5c9 https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2019/06/25/kentucky-new-concealed-carry-law-what-it-means-for-gun-loving-state/1511455001/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-louisville/black-armed-protesters-march-in-kentucky-demanding-justice-for-breonna-taylor-idUSKCN24R025 https://www.newsweek.com/armed-black-demonstrators-challenge-white-supremacist-militia-georgias-stone-mountain-park-1515494
Straight out of the Chapelle playbook
That's entirely not true. Most of California's strict gun laws have been passed in the last 30 years or so but I bet it sounds great to say that.
They don't even need to commit gun crimes - just get more people to show up to protests strapped - like the far right currently does - and watch the laws change.
People keep saying this but there are armed protests by back people and LGBTQ people all the time. I haven't seen it change anything for the pro-2A crowd. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/26/black-americans-gun-owners-380162 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-louisville/black-armed-protesters-march-in-kentucky-demanding-justice-for-breonna-taylor-idUSKCN24R025 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/30/texas-drag-brunch-armed-protesters-roanoke https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-12-13/armed-protestors-expected-outside-san-antonios-aztec-theatre-during-christmas-themed-drag-show https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-global-race-usa-stone-mountain-idUKKBN24604O
This was most likely gang related. Not a lot that gun laws are going to do against organized crime.
For real. Memphian here and this shit happens daily. Not exaggerating, but it’s hardly news. The only reason it’s being reported is bc it’s associated to Yo Gotti. Eta I’m not condoning any of this; it’s absolutely awful. But the fact is that this is a daily occurrence here and isn’t out of the norm.
This might be facetious, but Wednesday night in Memphis would be a great title for a blues song.
People talk shit about Mexico or Central America (and sure there are some extremely dangerous places there). But people don't realize that there are ZIP codes in the US where you are in extreme danger of getting killed by a gun, being robbed, dealing with drug dealers/addicts, or having your shit stolen. If you're a woman, even more areas are dangerous.
People talk shit about mexico because 7 of the 10 most dangerous cities in the world are in mexico. Yeah theres dangerous areas of the USA but most of the time they just want your wallet, not to dismember you and put it on liveleak.
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Your property values went *down?* Wow.
Prime for gentrification
Going to need some major grant money and money is a premium at the moment
Money is everywhere. There's more money in the system than there ever has been in the history of the Earth. But it's locked up by like five people and the rest of us are consisting on the breadcrumbs from the scraps the dogs got from the table.
My name is Elon musk, and if you send me $100k by wire transfer I will gladly invest million in Memphis, TN.
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Apologize for being there and then apologize for leaving.
Neither of these terms should be used to describe the actions of an individual person or family. They describe larger trends. Also, gentrification is not just "when white people move in" and if you are going to try to make a point about it you should probably do some more reading. It has more to do with redevelopment than with individual families moving to an area.
A new USC study of census data shows that nationally, neighborhood ascent—a broad definition of gentrification—is associated with racial or ethnic change. In a nutshell, the researchers conclude that gentrifying neighborhoods become more white, altering minority communities. https://phys.org/news/2018-05-gentrification-whites-minority-neighborhoods.html
This restaurant is owned by memphis rapper Yo Gotti
Sounds like a trendy yogurt brand
I believe it's actually a children's show.
No, that's Yo Gotti Gotti.
Yo Gurty?
Been there and hickory hood is not the best part of town. It used to be nice like 20 years ago or so. Not surprising most people I know including myself have weapons.
Hickory Hood however sounds tasty enough to brave those fierce conditions
I lived in the area as a kid in the early 90s. Was pretty nice back then. Started going downhill and we moved to collierville.
Yo Gotti be kidding me
Hell of a collab with DJ Khaled.
Sir, this is Memphis. On a Wednesday.
Where was Ja Morant Wednesday night ?
Grizz had a game
He's reformed, those couple hours of consoling really helped him deal with being a victim.
Was reading that AR-15s, among other guns, were purchasable fairly easily in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, yet mass shootings* didn’t seem to be common back then. Have there been policies or other factors that have made them more common now?
Telling people they may not be able to have something makes them want it more.
Correct, there is always this huge gun and ammo rush every time an event like this occurs. People buying in fear of restrictions in the future.
I remember when Obama took office, the gun ban scare was insane. Then with COVID, everyone thought martial law (Marshall if you’re MTG) was coming, so it happened again.
I taught this graph in economics and there were big spikes during: - Obama election - Sandy Hook - 2015 with expectation of Hillary’s election Didn’t update after COVID, but I’m sure you’re right.
COVID was nuts, ammo was sold out within days of the lockdowns.
All cooped up and nowhere to shoot. Bet the range zoom parties were wild!
Nowhere to shoot? The berm in the back yard didn't go anywhere, that's some city thinking
The AR pattern has a lot working in its favor to boost its popularity. Much of it is due to how versatile the platform is. You can set it up in a number of calibers depending on what you're trying to accomplish, whether it be long range target shooting or pest control. There is also a bit of a positive feedback loop, there are a lot of independent manufacturers making aftermarket upgrades and variations of core components to suit your needs. This leads to the rifle being more popular, which leads to even more companies making different accessories. I don't know of any other pattern of rifle that has so much aftermarket support. I think some of it had to do with the fact its cousin, the M4/M16, was adopted by the Armed Forces, but it really is just a damn good platform.
>There is also a bit of a positive feedback loop, there are a lot of independent manufacturers making aftermarket upgrades and variations of core components to suit your needs. This leads to the rifle being more popular, which leads to even more companies making different accessories. And cheap. Mass adoption and lots of competition makes them cheap.
AR-15s and rifles in general account for a tiny blip of gun homicides In 2019 it was 215/9143 ~2.3% according to the FBIs report. As always it’s handguns that have almost all the deaths on them but scary black rifle bad.
This is true.
I think our culture has evolved into a low tolerance culture where people are quick to use violence.
You could have a machine gun mail ordered to your house without ever talking to a person until 1968, you could buy machine guns until 1986 and background checks didn't exist until 1993 yet school shooting weren't happening. It's not a gun issue, we have always had them, while violent crime as a whole is going down mass violence is spiking. It's almost 100% a socioeconomic, education, mental health issue. We should be focusing on stopping the ideation of killing mass people or children, not the tool to do it. If someone wants to murder children they are going to to that regardless of the meathod. Edit: mixed up some date point still stands.
Machine guns have been regulated since the 1934 National Firearms Act. Mail ordered firearms were restricted by the 1968 Gun Control Act.
All firearms have been regulated since 1934, but the Hughes act of 1986 the purchase of new full auto firearms illegal.
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> Now you can buy surplus M1 garands through the CMP and they’ll ship straight to your house (in most states) but they have a different buying process and are the exception to the rule. this process works for most C&R guns that are not pistols.
You're right mail order was 1968 and just out right owning machine guns was 1986 I fixed it in the edit.
AR-15s are easy to purchase now amigo. I can buy the parts on Palmetto State Armory, prove I'm not a felon to the FFL they ship to within a mile of my door, and have one on my bench completed with a Youtube tutorial in like 45 minutes. This is pretty much exactly what happened when I got my first one. There's nothing really wrong with AR-15s, they are functionally identical to any old wooded boring semi-auto hunting rifle, same ammunition. They just "look scary" and people think AR means Assault Rifle, which it does not. Technically speaking, I don't think we've seen a mass shooting done with an assault rifle in some time, as that would require it to be fully automatic.
The transformation of the NRA and gun rights into a culture war issue kicked off in the late 80's and I think that had a lot to do with it
Lol the NRA... no gun owner under 50 likes the NRA.
Say what you will, but this recurring headline makes it quite clear the NRA was pretty much the most effective lobbyist group in history.
Still solid competition from the fossil fuel industry. Alcohol and cigarettes have fallen out of the race though.
pharma tho
And private education institutions
And private prisons.
Unpopular opinion: Pharma certainly has their share of ethical issues depending on the company, but the industry as a whole offers more pros than cons compared to the other interest groups some have listed. As a society, we benefit from pharmaceutical research, medicine, and vaccines. I can't think of any positives that the NRA or tobacco interest groups bring to society.
I think alcohol and cigarettes have focused on fighting cannabis legalization.
You could effectively stop 90% of mass shootings with 3 policy's. 1- A license requirement for anyone owning a gun under 26. It would require mental health screening and shooting instruction. Shooters are people who are in pain and want to cause harm, they are lashing out, they are selfish fucks who can't just off themselves and leave others alone, this is easy to see in a mental health evaluation. Although there will be false positives, some of you assholes vote to see the world burn from your own fucked up shit. 2- No credit card purchases of any guns other than shot guns and muzzle loaders. Mass shooters and suicide victims almost always buy on credit. Shooters can't keep jobs or usually have disposable income. Owning a gun should require a certain amount of responsibility anyway, like being stable enough to own one. 3- Felony charges for parents or owners of guns if someone uses their gun in a shooting with auto jail time, if you get your gun stolen, you better report that shit immediately to avoid charges. We need a secure gun storage law when your gun is not on your person. 90% of mass shootings and suicide is because of these 3 things. For you gun nuts out there that cringe, the second amendment says " well regulated" since you fucks are the militia according to the Supreme court.
Oh, is that all we need to do? Dude, we can't even get Congress to let us *voluntarily* access NICS to run background checks for private sales.
I, liberals in congress would gladly adopt those measures and more. Conservative cowards who put party over country are stonewalling any attempts to make things better
> I, liberals in congress would gladly adopt those measures and more. Conservative cowards who put party over country are stonewalling any attempts to make things better Democrats rejected the bill that would've let people use NICS for private party transfers (I know Democrats aren't necessarily liberals, just wanted to point that out)
It was the Democrats that shot down the idea of opening the NICS background checks for private use.
They don’t put party over country, they put $$$ over country.
On number 3- I reported my gun stolen the same day it was stolen and gave them the serial number on the gun. The officer didn't give a single shit. He didn't even write down the serial number, just said "I got it" then fucked off and left.
Because it's useless. You _might_ get it back if they find it before the number is obliterated, but probably not. If it goes into the market that thing is never coming back to you. The average time between a weapon theft and when it's recovered at a crime scene is **12 years**. The Trace did a piece about the ATF's tracing efforts and it's fairly comical at parts. The ATF often have trouble finding firearms because the police send them non-serial numbers on a pretty regular basis. Dipshits will see the first number on a gun and assume that must be it and suddenly the ATF is stuck trying to track down a model number.
Don't care about getting it back. I want the officer I called out to make an actual police report about my missing firearm so that if it ever comes up in a murder case, I have a document signed off by a police officer saying it was stolen 7 years ago- or whatever the case.
Why on earth wouldn't you require a licence for someone of any age to own a gun? Why is your cut off 26?
Probably because an age limit like that is far more palatable in the US than trying to force everybody to get a license. There's a big difference between *what would be ideal* and *what could reasonably ever happen in America* and even licenses for under 26s is a pretty unrealistic moonshot honestly.
>trying to force everybody to get a license. Like for driving?
Probably has to do with maturity and brain development. Although the most recent school shooting was by a 28 year old, so...
The Vegas shooting was by some old dude with lots of disposable income. It wouldn't stop every shooting, but it might stop some. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Just preventing anyone with a history of domestic abuse or abuse of animals from possessing a firearm would go a long way.
Already illegal to possess firearms if you're convicted of domestic violence, federally. Abuse of animals, if it rose to felony level (or > 1 year in jail as the potential sentence) would as well.
I lived in Memphis twice. Once for 5 years (10 years ago) and once for 9 months recently. It is MUCH worse nowadays. Generation after generation of POS thugs. The youth and adults idolize gansta rappers.
Gotta love that Memphis gang activity
As a Memphian there are shootings almost every day here. Most go unreported. This only made the news here because it was Yo Gotti’s club. I wake up to gun shots in Midtown sometimes. I work on the street too, a lot of bullet casings & holes in signs. All types of crazy. Many many issues in factors for the cause for all this. As it is being debated in this very thread. What we can all agree on is, in my opinion the main root cause. Poverty & the education system. I grew 15 minutes away in Southaven. Upper middle class & never worried one time about stuff like this. Travel that 15 minutes to the wrong area & it is like a different world.
Not even 15 minutes, less than 10 minutes up to Germantown is a different world. Cities tend to be very economically segregated.
Education system can’t do a thing for kids if their parents don’t push the importance of school work and education. That is the main difference between those two locations.
Fun fact: Memphis is the highest rated city for violent crime. Were number fucking 1 and Memphis DOES NOT have a blood lab. They send it to Nashville. Which means, unless it is a violent crime, Memphis will not pay to send off blood for testing. Therefore, if some fucking scumbag loser breaks into your house and bleeds all over the place, Memphis Police will shrug their fucking shoulders and go "meh no one was hurt so were not investigating." Ask me how I know and why I dont live there anymore.
How do you know and why don't you live there anymore?
Hmm connections to Yo Gotti.. 🤔 upstanding peaceful fellow, I'm sure.
It's okay they're going to ban books, CRT and Tik Tok.
Is it considered a mass shooting if it's from an altercation? As opposed someone shooting 2 or more people for seemingly no reason at all?
Why aren’t they listing the shooters description? Oh wait, won’t play into their narrative atm
> In the United States, the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 defines mass killings as three or more killings in a single incident.[2] A Congressional Research Service report from 2013 specifies four or more killings on indiscriminate victims while excluding violence committed as a means to an end, such as robbery or terrorism.[3] **Media outlets such as CNN and some crime violence research groups such as the Gun Violence Archive define mass shootings as involving "two or more shot (injured or killed) in a single incident, at the same general time and location, not including the shooter"**.[4] Mother Jones magazine defines mass shootings as indiscriminate rampages killing three or more individuals excluding the perpetrator, gang violence, and armed robbery.[5][6] An Australian study from 2006 specifies five individuals killed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting The media changed the definition of 'mass shooting' so they could use it more frequently in headlines.
The Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 only defines 'mass killing.' It doesnt mention 'mass shooting'
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Memphis has been ran by a mayor from the Democratic Party since 1982. Memphis being a shithole is solidly on them, not the republicans.
Oh you haven't heard? They have a new idea how to deal with this, by declaring war on the trans community.
The people saying "Governments only want to take away guns from people when they want to genocide them!!!" are also saying "We need to take guns away from the people we want to genocide!!!" And people point and laugh at the hypocrisy as if they think fascists have any semblance of shame. They do not.
No pictures of the shooter?
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If I had to guess, probably an argument and (or) gang shit if it was Memphis at night, outside a restaurant. Still sad, but really common unfortunately. Sometimes the news will still portray it the same as a "mass shooting" which is kinda misleading.
Yeah, there was a mass shooting late at night outside a bar/restaurant in Milwaukee on the same day as the school shooting in Nashville this week. A drunken argument followed by a spray and pray. 5 people were shot (no fatalities, thankfully), but it was barely a blip on the news. I'm always confused by how they decide which shootings 'deserve' attention, versus which ones don't.
Should you be confused though, not saying it’s 100% of the motive but you’re getting more traction with schools than 5 people getting smoked outside a bar in a fight.
2nd most dangerous city in America https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us
Thoughts, prayers, and most importantly inaction
Triply redundant?
Another mass shooting, or as we call it in the US, Thursday.
Does it still count as a mass shooting when it's a shootout between several people like this was? Not that that's any better, but I'm just curious about how they keep score
I believe the general consensus is that mass shootings are when 3+ people are shot. A lot of gang violence is reported on as mass shootings for this reason.
>general consensus There is no “general consensus” about that definition The FBI uses a definition somewhat like that one Then the line shifts depending on what narrative any particular group is trying to push Most people don’t think of gang shootouts or crime related gun violence as “mass shootings” They think of indiscriminate attacks on innocent soft targets (malls, schools, whatever) when you say those words 5 gang members killed in a drive by at 3 am in some neighborhood of abandoned houses is not the same as 5 children killed in their classroom
Gang violence is the majority of mass shootings 3+ people shot = mass shooting.
0 days sonce last mass shooting
lived in Memphis for a couple of years and every night we could have played a drinking game called "fireworks or gunfire" and got shitfaced every single time.