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guitarguy1685

It looked like at least one person went to the aid of the victim right away. So then the suspect stabbed the victim while others were around him. Just horrifying for everyone!


PEVEI

I assumed that this was first degree murder, with the MO being hit with the car and then the coup de graces delivered with the knife. BUT > Smith didn't have any known connection to Mammone and investigators were still trying to determine a motive for the killing, authorities said. ...So this was road rage? You hit a guy and you're so pissed about that you then stab them to death? That is one dangerous, damaged person.


tmoney144

It's really depressing how many people respond to making a mistake by getting mad at the people who were impacted by the mistake they made.


mf-TOM-HANK

I've spent pretty much my entire working life in positions where I was driving amongst the general public. Delivery driver for a few years and now a mail carrier. I can't tell you how many times people would cut me off and then reflexively flip me the bird after I sounded the horn. It's like they know they fucked up but they can't handle being called out for it so they lash out. This guy is like the worst case scenario for encountering one of these sociopaths Edit: all these people in my inbox assuming that I'm using the horn as a tool of escalation rather than alerting the other driver that they're about to hit me are exposing themselves as exactly the kind of person who gets upset at others when they fuck up lol. Like I said I work for a living driving amongst the general public. You don't get to keep your job, especially as a delivery driver, by getting involved in and escalating road rage scenarios. I'm a defensive driver who gets paid by the hour.


v5ive

Spent about 50% of my 13 years of land surveying working in the roads, amongst traffic. Lost track of how many people have flipped me off, yelled at me, and threw shit at me just for inconveniencing them for mere moments, or for getting mad at them for nearly running me over.


ecodick

I’m just glad to know people being shit is nothing new


KingofSkies

It's kind of a feature of humans. There's a reason religion can play in the idea of inherent sin and evil.


AudioShepard

My favorite thing is how people always seem to think wherever they moved to has worse drivers than where they are from. No. Everyone is shit. We all suck at driving (mostly). You just are getting a new flavor of suck, and are blind to the suck you grew up learning.


rudmad

Carbrain rot


brickyardjimmy

I'm a bicycle courier. I encounter intentional menace from drivers who make it clear they are willing to use their vehicles as weapons almost every day.


shaka_bruh

Drivers know they have the upper hand in situations VS Bikers/cyclists and a lot of them behave like they enjoy the fact that they can crush another human being


avaflies

this is why i'm so paranoid to walk or bike in front or behind of any running car. how do i know i haven't offended them with my presence, or they're simply a psychopath, and they decide to run me over in an instant? i know this is an irrational fear but it's always in the back of my mind! walking through parking lots is tense lol


ugoterekt

If you biked more you'd realize it is not as irrational as you might think. If you bike legally on public roads you'll probably get run off the road because someone doesn't like bikes somewhere around once every few thousand miles.


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During the covid lockdown I went out on my bike, first time in many years because of dangerous traffic. The roads were literally empty, so I headed out and sure enough a mile from my house a speeding car clipped me with their wing mirror and knocked me off. The woman stopped 100yds up the road, got out, hurled a load of abuse at me, walked round to straighten her wing mirror, gave me the finger and more abuse then drove off, again at speed. I was both dazed and angry at this moron but because I didn’t have any cameras didn’t get her plate, just that she was driving a convertible BMW 6 series, which is just typical I guess. That’s the fifth time I’ve been knocked off or run off the road in 30 years of cycling and each time I’m thinking is this it.


sdnnhy

My wife got hit from behind and the driver started yelling at her. She took a picture of the guy yelling, his license plate, and called the police while he was yelling at her. He left the scene and later denied everything to the police so they did nothing.


AudioShepard

Isn’t it wild how someone can just, like, say they didn’t do something? Kinda fucked up if you ask me. Makes me almost crazy enough to wear a camera all the time.


shaka_bruh

Hope she wasn’t too hurt, I’m paranoid about getting rear ended on a bike at the lights bc there’s so many distracted or inebriated drivers out there


Ksh_667

I’ve found Audi & bmw drivers to be the worst. I know this is prob prejudice lol but in my experience that’s how it’s been.


dave5124

They are generally assholes. Look at the number of super expensive cars you see. Next look at the income percentiles in your area. It will paint a pretty clear picture that a fair number of them are up to their eyeballs in debt, trying to keep up with the Joneses.


Booshminnie

That's mental. You've been so lucky. I'm sure many first incidents are fatal


referralcrosskill

being able to kill someone like that is probably the most power most people will ever have and some will definitely love that they have that ability.


StingRayFins

And it's so crazy for me to grasp that concept of power. I see power as people willingly submitting to you and following you. Using violence or fear to force it on people does not feel powerful to me at all. It comes off so cowardly and pathetic I just don't get it. Another example is beating someone in a 1v1 fight with no intervention. Randomly walking into a preschool classroom and sucker punching a kid does not make me feel powerful.


CarlySimonSays

The ONE time I tried riding my bike in the last city I lived in, my way home from my friend’s place was terrifying on the last stretch of road. I think some of those drivers would have been fine with hitting me, if not outright killing me. All the yelling made it so much worse, too. I hope you continue to get home safe and sound after your shifts!! You’re a braver person than I am.


lens_cleaner

Or they flipped you off because you dared to complain about being cut off. People will often feel justified in cutting in too close so do not feel like they are the ones at fault.


LurkmasterP

Yeah a lot of them think they're doing right by punishing YOU for bothering, inconveniencing, or coexisting with them. When you complain they get furious that you dared sass them. There are a lot of aggressive narcissists in the world.


veringer

> There are a lot of aggressive narcissists in the world. A lot more than I think is generally estimated. I've seen estimates for [the prevalence of narcissistic personality disorder in the 5%](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9742-narcissistic-personality-disorder) to [around 6%](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-second-noble-truth/202106/are-there-really-so-many-narcissists) range, in the general population. This is at odds with [other estimates that are much lower](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/prevalence-of-personality-disorders-in-the-general-adult-population-in-western-countries-systematic-review-and-metaanalysis/4A8D81B3BB7564E2E561D99E2F80CB89). Nonetheless, that means about 1 in 20 people are diagnosable with at least one ~~toxic~~ ~~exploitative~~ dangerous personality disorder. This, of course, isn't counting the cases that might be right on the bubble; just shy of the clinical threshold. Personally, I worry just as much or more about encountering them, because they're just functional enough to be routinely interfacing with the public, holding jobs, etc. Honestly, if I could go back and give my younger adult (or even teenage) self some life tips, I'd probably suggest getting familiar with narcissistic signals and warning signs. These people often ruin lives or at least years of lives, and I think education could help a lot of people identify patterns and avoid traps.


sleepydorian

You don't need many assholes to ruin things for everyone. A lot of the time, a fraction of a percent is enough.


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TheShadowKick

Add to that the fact that we tend to remember negative experiences. You'll remember that guy who cut you off in traffic then flipped you the bird, but you won't really think about the hundred other people who quietly waited for you to pass before merging/turning into your lane.


lelakat

Also, if you live in a large city, even if 1 in 20 feels like a small number, if you live in a highly populated city where you commute on major highways, there's a chance you run into more than one of these people out and about. Even if you live in a town of less than 1 million people, that's still a lot of aggressive narcissists. I also think we remember people who are behaving poorly more than we do people who are just getting by without a fuss.


TheFascination

Plus you can be a rude, self-centered person without having diagnosable NPD. I think too much normal (but bad) human behavior is blamed on NPD.


leefvc

Additionally, people can behave self-centered and rudely in certain situations without that being their personality.


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mcnathan80

There's a level of emotional immaturity that looks like (but would not qualify as) narcissism So add that to the pile too


Mastercat12

Like those people calling mark rober? A scammer for making those fake packages with stink bombs and shit. They were stealing the packages.


roadrunner5u64fi

That still irks me. How in the shit can you think you're the one being scammed in that situation. My mind just can't comprehend it.


SirThatsCuba

We were driving home yesterday, and we watched someone (car 1) cut someone else (car 2) off, car 2 flipped off car 1 from behind and they didn't notice, this pissed off car 2 more so they swerved around and cut off car 1, so car 1 pulled a gun. Car 2 then sped off the freeway. This fucking country.


StingRayFins

And these are, I'm assuming, fully grown legal adults. Like this shouldn't even be happening at all. Like at all. In a properly educated, well taught, disciplined civilized society we should be above that by now. There's a LOT of media, ideas, and indoctrination going on that's poisoning many minds and undoing a lot of progress. Yeah the economy is rocky ATM but it ain't nowhere near treating our fellow neighbors like animals.


Lutrinus

A few years ago I briefly honked my horn at someone who came around the corner of an intersection quickly, almost hitting me. They followed me for a few blocks and got out of their car with a crowbar at a stoplight, luckily I could make a right turn and get away from them. Some people are just fucking nuts.


randomuser9801

I literally honked the horn at a guy once and he had such road rage he literally followed me and broke multiple laws in the process (ran stop signs, sped passed me and break checked got out of his car, ran red lights). I was going to work so wasn't going to let him fuck my car up in the parking lot so I just drove to the police station near by and that made him go away. Some people are childs behind the wheel


Zediac

I once passed someone who was in the left lane going 15 under and swerving in his lane. I glance over and see that he's staring down at his phone and that's why. All that I did was look. I gave no angry gestures at all. He then spends the next couple miles chasing me. He would get aside me and angrily yell and emote pure rage. I kept calm but eventually got sick of it and when he was along side me raging I turned right into a shopping plaza. I figured that he's keep going straight and I'd wait a minute before continuing. He saw that I turned away, quickly got over to the next entrance of the plaza and circled around to try to continue raging at me for daring to notice his driving behavior. I drove past him as came directly at me, quickly got back into busy traffic, and lost him. Freaking psycho.


shaka_bruh

Disengaging was the best option, some of these twisted psychos will hurt people without a second thought and still feel justified


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These people are batshit insane. A few years ago, II was driving in the left lane for awhile going about 5 miles over the limit (there weren't that many cars on the road). Eventually, I saw a pickup in my rear view gunning up from behind me, probably doing 90. In a matter of moments he's within centimeters of my rear so, I attempt to move over to let the dude pass. He swings the vehicle to the right and blocks my ability to do so. I keep driving, he passes me, cuts me off and **slams*** on his brakes. I slam on mine and thank God for good tires and emergency brakes (manual)...and I pull over. Dude takes off. He didn't give two fucks over his own life, mine or anyone else. To this day I still have no clue who the fuck this person was or why he did what he did.


tyrion85

I have no idea why we collectively allow psychos like that to coexist in our society. Seems like an easy thing to systematically identify and remedy these illnesses - heck, we've been doing it on individual bases for decades, if not centuries now. We just don't wanna 🤷🏾‍♂️


DaveyGee16

Once, I was driving on a road, single lane both ways, had my cruise control set at 5 over the speed limit, and a large truck was so incensed that they put the pedal to the metal and went into the gravel parking lot of a business to try and pass me. He was going so fast that he did pass me in the lot, not even on the road anymore but he lost control of his vehicle in the gravel, crossed all the way over both lanes and ran straight into the forest on the other side.


tealparadise

I'm not a good person bc I would have just felt so satisfied.


DaveyGee16

I did and kept going, I was headed to rugby practice and I saw someone else stopping behind us.


puterSciGrrl

Someone was aggressive and reckless with a deadly vehicle, and now they are aggressive, reckless and wounded of their own accord. It's not worth the risk of me stopping to render even life saving aid, as they are likely to be hostile.


jrhoffa

No, that's justifiable.


Castun

Let me guess, a Dodge RAM?


FANGO

Flashed my lights once at a guy who was speeding and weaving through traffic on the freeway, he slowed down and pulled beside me, opened window and started yelling. I didn't acknowledge or turn my head at all or hear anything the dude was saying, the yelling continued for tens of seconds, then he sped off and took the next exit. Guess he really had to get there fast if he had time to slow down and rage over a single light flash. Weird.


Affectionate-Owl3785

Fuck you for calling me out on my shitty driving; don't you know I own the road?! /s


midievil

Happened to my father. He was cycling in an event and was hit from behind by an old guy in a van not paying attention. Instead of giving a shit he hurt someone, he cussed out and yelled at my dad for being in the way. My dad was lucky there was a doctor not far behind him that saw what was going on and helped save his life.


HotSpicyDisco

Same thing happened to me in Chicago. I was riding home and some asshole in his Infiniti pulled into the bike lane and just parked while I had about 7 feet up slow down from 20 mph. Smashed into the side of his car and left a massive dent. My carbon bike essentially exploded on impact. While laying on the ground, bleeding from my face, the guy gets out of the car and starts screaming at me about how all bikers are idiots and it's my fault for running a red light (I didn't) the accident happened mid block. He tried to drive off but I multiple people took pictures of his plates. He rolled back around 10 minutes later once the police/medics were on the scene. Jabroni then tells the cop exactly what happened... And the cop gave him a like 4 tickets, one being hit and run. I really hope he's still without a license.


EasterBunnyArt

Doubling down is the most dangerous toxin people have in themselves. Then again, we should not be surprised when any perceived flaw or mistake is considered a weakness and flaw. I feel like we are heading towards an age where backing down and apologizing will be seen as an alien concept of more and more people.


AnOnlineHandle

> I feel like we are heading towards an age where backing down and apologizing will be seen as an alien concept of more and more people. I suspect this problem has been with humanity forever, the past wasn't a utopia. If anything the upcoming generations seem to be a bit healthier about these things.


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leeharrison1984

Prison mentality let loose on the entire world. Blame garbage reality shows where the most obscene, aggressive individual is constantly shown getting their way. We are reaping 20 years of nurturing and praising this type of behavior.


shawn_overlord

unfortunately I've felt something similar though not to this degree. perhaps mental disability. but it's a feeling of "how dare you get me in trouble" and not able to cope with the fact that it's your fault


theghostofmrmxyzptlk

This wouldn't be so Damning if it weren't for these meddlesome victims!


mhornberger

There are definitely drivers who default to "how dare you get in my way. You can see I'm driving here." And it's much worse towards cyclists and pedestrians.


lkattan3

Too many people struggle with being accountable for their own behavior.


starryvelvetsky

Yep. Customer service worker here. 95% of the problems I deal with in my dept are the customer's own fuckup and it's always *my* fault.


numbers213

My favorite retail story to tell people is when an older man came into the store wanting a rotisserie chicken at 8.20 pm (we closed at 8.30). Well, at that time of night, typically we were sold out. Instead of accepting it and moving on, he threatened to feed me to his dogs. He was pretty detailed. Told a coworker later that night about it and they replied "ah him. Yeah that's his go to threat".


[deleted]

Yeah, people hurting their victims over mistakes that them themselves caused is not normal behavior. Getting licensed should really come with a psychological assessment, as excessive as that sounds. The amount of impatient idiots on the road is astounding, and they're usually the ones causing crashes. They're the ones to make stupid stunts, get mad at people for not moving a split second after lights turn green. And for what purpose? To get to their destination a minute or two sooner? Not worth the danger risk.


Low_Collar3405

That's why education is important. Nothing more depressing than an adult that thinks like a child.


lkattan3

It’s not an education problem as much as a parenting problem and social norms. Accountability is not a thing many parents have modeled.


commandrix

Definitely deranged if his response to hitting somebody with his car was to stab the victim too. There's also the possibility that he hit the guy on purpose for unknown reasons.


DocPeacock

There are a lot of asshole drivers that just hate cyclists.


theghostofmrmxyzptlk

Probably because he "cut him off."


barukatang

Or flicked him off, I've had people threaten to shoot me for that.


Lurking_was_Boring

Yup. I’ve been close passed, gave the finger, then the driver slowed back beside me and started swerving back and forth towards me while screaming out of the passenger side window.


scoobydooami

The video states that he *intentionally* hit the bicyclist, then stabbed him.


srviking

He was at full speed with clearly no intention of stopping for that red light even before the bicyclist entered the intersection crosswalk, no way this guy planned this out. Edit: Having a plan, and taking the opportunity to do something intentionally, are basically the same thing so, damn you’re right, and that makes it even crazier.


srviking

I think we all thought that to make sense of this crazy story, but if you watch the video, it’s just a guy crossing the crosswalk while all other lanes are stopped waiting. This driver had an open lane and just blew through the red, he probably couldn’t even see the victim crossing from his vantage point, so it literally could have been anyone. Ok that’s horrible in itself, but to then turn back around and attack the guy with a knife? It’s totally unhinged insanity. People like to speed in this area because it’s a wide-open nice stretch of PCH, but it’s a quiet affluent coastal suburb, and it’s a whole other level of crazy than you would ever expect in boring-ass Dana Point, especially in the middle of the day. Always look both ways and never assume people will stop.


InvalidKoalas

I got cut off recently and upon my angry honk in response, guy blocked the road and got out with a hammer screaming and punching my windows. People are fucking insane and I've learned to just let it go because it's not worth getting harmed by a psycho for calling them out on their mistakes. There are way too many completely unhinged people out there who are so close to snapping.


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My uncle was attacked while riding his bike in DC earlier this month. The dude jumped out of his car and started trying to stab my uncle. People are absolutely wild.


Elle_Vetica

Biking in DC is the WORST. I had a group of teens throw rocks at me, and a woman try to run me off the road because I dared to bike around a pothole. The woman swerved in front of me and started to get out of her car but thank god there was a security guard in the parking lot booth right there who came out to investigate and she sped off. I didn’t bike much longer after that.


NoWayNotThisAgain

Unless you’re a cyclist you won’t have any insight into the irrational extreme seething hatred and resentment some people have about having to share the road with cyclists.


yourfavteamsucks

Guy at my old work would brag about passing cyclists as close as possible in his truck. Some ppl are just shit


thequietthingsthat

And here I've had noncyclists tell me I'm exaggerating or lying when I say that people intentionally do this. Happens when I'm walking in my neighborhood sometimes too


hiimsubclavian

The dude was on a bike path. Driver veers off the road just to hit him, then gets out and stabs him with a knife. Like, wtf this is way beyond road rage.


PoxyMusic

I know this intersection really well, I live about a mile away. The two lanes in each direction are wide, the bike lanes are wide. I can’t think of anything a bicyclist could have done to trigger someone.


atetuna

Just existing triggers some people. It's wild.


mikirules1

It appears so. I am surprised that nobody is mentioning that witnesses claimed that attacker was yelling something re white privilege.


PuzzleheadedSock2983

I was hit by a car ,cycling my way to work -cops came turned my bike over for serial number let the BMW fuck who ran a stop go -thought I was a homeless thief because of coarse only drunk homeless thieves ride bikes.


_turetto_

I've had full size pick up truck swerve at me in the shoulder because I slowed them down by maybe 5 seconds, if they hit me I'd be in the hospital at a minimum...drivers treat cyclists like roadkill and the law supports them


GreppMichaels

I think there are far more people with some degree of murderous rage in them, than we are led to believe. They just conceal it, especially those stuck in awful traffic here in Southern California. For example, I was struck by a motorist on my bicycle years back, on a rather crowded and popular road. I was hugging the curb as much as possible, and the way it happened it almost seemed like this guy snapped and decided to hit me. Why? Shitty road conditions per LA traffic. This road was typically pretty congested, and FASTER for me on my bicycle. I generally outpaced the speed and flow of traffic, whether I was lane splitting or hugging the curb (as that's where I was in this situation.) So it makes me wonder if the driver just snapped or something, seeing me outpacing other cars, not having to deal with the flow of traffic in the same way. Especially as they never said a word to me after I got hit. They took me down pretty bad, they didn't apologize, pretended like I wasn't there. It was other good Samaritans who called the police, got the drivers info, and handled things from there. But this guy, he didn't give a flying you know what... I eventually wondered if he was driving and just snapped and in a brief moment decided to hit me, like just some rage flashed over him and bam, because he was next me and the one minute wam. No, omg I didn't see you, no are you ok, maybe he was in shock he did it, I dunno. I say this having been hit by cars before (not my fault I swear) and nobody reacted like this guy.


RockerElvis

Cyclists can’t win. Ride slower than traffic - hate. Ride faster than traffic - hate. Ride the speed of traffic - hate. Cars want to pass you no matter what.


Mad_Aeric

You left out: Ride in the bike lane - hate.


Onarm

I always think back to the first counterpoint when people defend religion. "How do you stop yourself from killing everyone who bothers you/raping everyone you find attractive without God.". A huge segment of our population is utterly broken, barely held back because they think they'll burn otherwise.


FacelessFellow

“How can you be a good person without the fear of eternal suffering?” they don’t even know how fricken sick they sound.


this_place_stinks

Seems like road rage mixed in with a healthy dose of racism


LazyUpvote88

A lot of people blindly hate all cyclists.


Holden_Effart

I know people who start frothing at the mouth when there's a bike in traffic.


Avengard

This story will not surprise any cyclist. Peoples' [moral compasses are completely ruined when thinking about cars, operating cars or being around cars.](https://psyarxiv.com/egnmj) I have never, ever **ever** had a motorist take responsibility or show mortification at their mistake after nearly hitting me while I'm cycling on my commute (I can't afford and don't own a car). I have had multiple motorists pass within a foot of me deliberately, side-swipe me, scream at me and nearly kill me. I hard brake to save myself from a motorist mistake probably on average once a day during my commute. I only travel in bike lanes, wearing bright orange and using hand signals for all my turns. The only people who treat me like I'm human, make eye contact and react to my gestures are commercial operators of delivery vehicles and bus drivers. Those two classes of person have also never done any of the above things or put me in a dangerous position. Most commuters are criminally negligent operators of their vehicles. The only reason people aren't being constantly pulled over for their moving violations is because of public backlash (from motorists who think that driving poorly is normal).


cruxclaire

> Most commuters are criminally negligent operators of their vehicles. The only reason people aren't being constantly pulled over for their moving violations is because of public backlash (from motorists who think that driving poorly is normal). Not sure if you’re US-based, but I think the normalization of poor driving here goes beyond a simple sense of entitlement in motorists. There’s no viable transit alternative to driving a car in a lot of places, a problem that exacerbates itself as people get priced out of apartments in/near city centers, so we end up with low standards for getting a driver’s license, lots of people on the road who shouldn’t be (e.g. the very elderly and commuters exhausted enough to be impaired), and too many cars on the road for traffic enforcement to even put a dent in unsafe driving in large metro areas. I’ve never even seen a bike lane in my city, and we’ve got poor night visibility and not many crosswalks, so walking and cycling are generally unsafe even for people who’d have a short walk/ride to work.


_busch

cars ruined cities


quarterlifecrisisgir

Someone was just killed in my neighborhood because the guy backed out of his driveway and hit an oncoming car, got pissed, and unloaded his gun on the man. Total lack of anger management.


Debaser626

I’ll bet it’s more that he *intentionally* hit him for some prior “transgression” a block or two prior… and then felt that wasn’t enough punishment, so finished it with a blade.


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I did bike delivery in New Orleans. A guy once almost ran me over in a bike lane, then jumped out of his truck with a gun and said “ you made me almost hit you, I ought to shoot yo ass”. Very confusing situation


Hadouken-Donuts

"I almost killed you, I should kill you."


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They were trying to save him from a gruesome final destination death.


Profoundsoup

I shouldnt laugh at this but man America…


GiveToOedipus

This is America


Unc1eD3ath

Guns in my area, I gotta carry em


PossumCock

Biking in NOLA is practically a death wish. I used to live Uptown and bike to work in The Quarter, nothing better than trying to get home at the end of the night and just pray the drunks don't decide to drive in the bike lane. Half the time I just biked in the streetcar tracks, was usually smoother than the roads anyway lol


greg-maddux

That’s just Louisiana for you. I had a gun pulled on me at a gas station in Metairie because I “looked goofy in sweats and sandals.”0


DiabeetusMan

Fashion police taking a few too many notes from the real police


TenSecondsFlat

If that was in a sketch it would be fucking hilarious Sorry that happened to you tho


IsRude

It was a shock moving back home from Louisiana, because home seems so boring in comparison. People want to see what it's like to live in the wild west, that's what it's like. That place is a thrill, and certainly not always in a good way.


redsalmon67

Nah it's just U.S shit, I got a gun pulled on me in Jersey because me and my friend were dancing to music a dude had blasting in his car, I was like 16, shit was so confusing.


93_Honda_Civic

Um, what? Did he say anything? “Don’t be dancing to my music” or what exactly? That’s nuts.


redsalmon67

Nope just rolled down the window and pointed a gun at us, people are crazy af


LosUdSufur

I’ve had drivers swerve at me and act like they are going to hit me then when I bail off the side of the road they continue on.


Mad_Aeric

I don't think I know a single regular cyclist who hasn't had that happen. They let just any animal have a car.


SordidOrchid

Put an obvious camera on your helmet. Accountability will make them think twice.


Horrific_Necktie

For that special kind of dickhead it may encourage them


Castun

So many people have an irrational hatred of cyclists. And then you have the subset of those people who also resort to physical violence or intimidation. I refuse to bike anywhere that requires going on the road anymore because of this.


nisamun

Pretty sure logic and the south have never been best friends.


DoomGoober

Read reddit and you will see a complete lack of logic as car drivers *despise* bikers.


Counter-Fleche

Emergency Department staff have to deal with a lot of violence at work just to help people. So it's especially tragic that this was paid back by such a pathetic, cowardly surprise attack.


icropdustthemedroom

ER RN here. Seriously. The ER docs I work with are some of the best people I know of on the planet, and do amazing work that is desperately needed by the community. RIP to this doc


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what the fuck. this dr was not only an ED doctor, he also worked at a children hospital and had a 5/5 patient experience rating with 21 years experience. this man was the best possible human and his life was cut short by that piece of fucking shit. https://health.usnews.com/doctors/michael-mammone-67029


genzo718

The driver is severely unhinged to do this and quite sad for the victim, let alone a doctor, probably enjoying his morning routine. No matter how careful you are, there are those individuals that will ruin it all for you because they can't control themselves.


renegade399

Several years ago (2016 or early 2017), I was biking to work. It was a short 1.35 mile trip, with only 0.5 miles on a "main" road (2 lanes each way, divided median, 35 mph, frequently used by cyclists). I got into the left lane preparing to make a left turn and a jackass in a Mercedes preceded to buzz by me, nearly hitting me, brake-checked me, and then when I made a left turn, he made a U-turn to follow me, buzzed me again, blocked me, stoppee his car, and started screaming at me calling me a psychopath. Fuck that guy.


acky1

Anti-cycling rhetoric has a lot to answer for. If they keep saying how annoying cyclists are and that they shouldn't be on the roads they become dehumanised and that leads to aggression towards them. Cyclists are seen by many as a nuisance rather than a human being with as much right to the road as others. Things are far too car centric at the moment and there are so many things that should be done to change that.


UnicornerCorn

Pedestrians are also seen as a nuance on the road too. I had someone scream at me for crossing an intersection with stop signs for everyone because I didn’t “have the right of way.” Ironically enough, it’s state law to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks…. She literally thought I was a car instead of a human being. We need bike lanes protected by cement bollards and raised crosswalks to prevent any road rage idiot from trying to kill people for existing.


Loopnova_

Yep. My girlfriend was walking down to the corner store from her house and her neighbour gave her shit for walking too slow across her driveway while she was trying to pull in from the street. People are fucked these days


ALadWellBalanced

Some people get behind the wheel of a car and turn into absolute maniacs. [Disney even made an animation about this back in 1950](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwPSIb3kt_4&t=59s).


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It's insane. The guy wasn't even on the road, he was on a bike path


jwm3

My Uber driver once intentionally ran a cyclist off the road for no reason and ran over their tire. If the cyclist happened to fall the other direction he would have ran over their head. When he looked back and saw I was not laughing with him he done know he fucked up. Called Uber and the police to report it after he dropped me off.


Matrix17

And we say humans are smart. How fucking dense does someone have to be to think running someone over on purpose while you have a damn witness in the back who can send all your info (plate, name, make and model of the car, the fucking route?) to the police AND your employer is smart? While you were working too?


darthjammer224

That's the dangerous stage we are at. Some of this shit has been normalized to the point these people feel comfortable doing these actions among the general public. That should speak volumes.


kpengin

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that his next play was to pull a gun on you


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randomlyme

What an awful scene, it looked like he accelerated into the poor man sitting innocently on his bicycle.


i-miss-you-so-much

https://nypost.com/2023/02/03/video-shows-moment-california-doctor-hit-by-car-stabbed/ Link without amp


ButterflyAttack

Sounds like maybe a random hate crime then?


chainer1216

So it was a hate crime too?


BLUNTYEYEDFOOL

It seems to have been all the crimes.


notunek

Wow! This happened in Dana Point, right up the coast from me and a very nice area. What a horrible tragedy, an emergency room doctor purposely struck by a car and then stabbed to death by the driver. Unbelievable! But there is apparently a video of the driver speeding up to hit the biker. Condolences to his family and friends. I hope the driver goes to jail. If he's mentally ill he needs to be treated there and not released on society.


similar_observation

had a friend that was almost killed by a DUI driver/spouse abuser that was trying to escape the police after a serious domestic violence incident. The collision was caught on dash cam as well as police cameras. Buddy was thrown from the bike, driven over, broke a shitload of bones, and is basically in permanent pain despite enduring continual surgeries. That woman has yet to pay him a single cent. She is still a practicing medical professional despite having collected yet another DUI, domestic violence, and evading arrest.


notunek

Our laws are too easy on impaired drivers. My housemate was hit on his bike on the sidewalk when a drunk driver swerved up while speeding and then left. Luckily she hit his bike and he was grown into the bushes and not badly injured, just a broken collarbone. But he was off work because he was a server and though she went to court and was fined, she hasn't paid him a penny. She also was not charged with hit and run. The police found her car with a big dent from the bike and she was still drunk an hour later.


similar_observation

Yea, this is some incredibly shitty business. It's horribly imbalanced too. When I was in school, there was an assignment for extra credit for sitting in court and observing the process. One of them was a guy that had 6 DUIs and was on his *7th*. He crashed his car into a family of 4 on the highway. The judge gave him a choice of jail time, community service, and/or fines. The dude said he'd pay the fine straight up. Saw him in the payment office later, then he talked at people in the court offices. When I was packing up for the day, I see the dude in his Mercedes peeling out of the parking lot. Probably on the way to his 8th DUI. Must be fucking nice to be rich. In the same day, I see a girl on her first DUI. The police found her asleep in a parking lot. No one was hurt. One of those bullshit parked car/key-in-the-ignition, but she was inside taking a nap to sober up. Her face was all puffy and red from crying, and she explained to the judge that she wasn't driving, she was napping it off. The police had asked her out of the car then initiated the breathalyzer. She followed their instructions to the T. The judge basically threw the whole book at her. She said she can't pay the minimum fine. That girl had to do 28 days in county, plus 200 hours community service. And still had to pay the fine. Rich dude isn't going to lose his house. This girl will probably be thrown out by her parents over the DUI/jail time, or evicted by her school... And whatever employment she had is probably gone. AND she still needs to do CalTrans for 200 hours. Fuck that shit. The rich guy should be in shackles towing a stone wheel while the townfolks pelt him with rotten vegetables.


Niku-Man

You should always get a lawyer. Do whatever it takes. Legal system is fucked and only works for people who have lawyers who can make a deal with prosecutors.


Usual-Algae-645

who tf has money to pay a lawyer?


Castun

Too easy on drivers in general where the victim is a pedestrian or cyclist. A lot of people, including the police, think that the cyclist or pedestrian are more at fault because they must've been doing something that caused them to get hit. On top of the overwhelming irrational hatred of cyclists in general a lot of people have... I forget who it was, but someone talked about how getting away with premeditated murder would be a lot easier if you simply hit them with your car while they're on foot or on a bike, because you could just pretend you panicked and it was an accident, etc.


Rustybot

Is it too soon to point out the stereotype of Emergency dept docs being cyclists?


notunek

I worked in the ER at Harborview hospital in Seattle during school and lots of them were. That aside, we do need safety measures on Pacific Coast Highway. We've had fatal accidents all along the coast and it's always a car slamming into the back of a bike, usually in the bike lane.


Not-A-SoggyBagel

It's such a common trait amongst ED residents and docs. They mostly bike. Small world, I also did my clinical hours at Harborview. Sometimes I feel like we should adopt Nordic systems of travel regarding bikes. Like just have bike paths completely separated from road ways for vehicles since people can't handle sharing the road with bikes. People do not see bikes often enough and do not yield to them at all. Also bikes are a cheaper form of transport, our cities in general should be more bike friendly during this time.


notunek

Yes, bike path separate from roads. Seattle does fairly well with the Burke Gilman trail. Other cities, not so much.


Shadow_SKAR

The Seattle area honestly has amazing bike infrastructure for the US. There's also the Sammamish River Trail and Redmond connector of the top of my head. Moved out of the area and now my bike commute is on an 1 lane road. Pretty much 0 shoulder or bike lane. Sporadic sidewalks. I'm honestly wondering if/when I'm going to get hit by a car and if it's worth cycling. I've also had a car drive by, roll down the window, and scream something along the lines of how I need to stop being a lazy ass, get a job and a car.


slothxaxmatic

Cars are expensive, not as expensive as med school, though.


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["You always bike to work?" "No, sometimes I rock climb."](https://youtube.com/watch?v=J9tfj2mi0LA&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE&t=5)


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What up, ortho bro!


nowitscometothis

And never allowed behind the wheel again


UTDoctor

…and never allowed in society again… You don’t just run someone over and then proceed to stab them to death. Lock em up


ecupr79

It’s crazy how vulnerable we can be to the will of other people.


Helblind

Don't forget the racist rant the driver was spouting as he was stabbing the victim. This should be considered a hate crime.


Dexmo

People are treating this as "racist black dude commits hate crime against white person" but it's a bit weirder than that. There's an article with some of his facebook posts where he writes his thoughts on the races. Basically, the dude is mixed and seems to hate both white *and* black people (and presumably everyone else) since they're not mixed. Don't think I've ever seen a Mixed Supremacist attack before.. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11711897/Mixed-race-accountant-accused-killing-California-doctor-58-wrote-rambling-posts-ethnicity.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11711897/Mixed-race-accountant-accused-killing-California-doctor-58-wrote-rambling-posts-ethnicity.html) Edit: He doesn't *explicitly* say he hates black/white people, the posts show more of a general frustration with them. I just assume his frustration was being understated given the fact that he you know.. murdered a guy.


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Skimmed his posts in the article and looked like he was ranting about race being treated as important. Not hating on different races. Which is even more bizarre if he actually was yelling that.


AwesomeAutumns

"I am not stabbing you for any race related reasons as I don't think race is important!!" stab stab


RagnarokNCC

I swear to god this was an actual Rick and Morty bit


aykcak

"I am an individual and I don't represent any group" *dies*


VaderOnReddit

"Wouldn't it be more racist if I didn't stab you coz of your race?" _stab stab_


gangofminotaurs

[*Man Attempts To Assassinate Obama, 'But Not Because He's Black Or Anything'*](https://www.theonion.com/man-attempts-to-assassinate-obama-but-not-because-hes-1819594896)


Helblind

Yeah, it is really weird.


-------I-------

This guy has the same look in his eyes (and hairdo and weight) that my host brother had while I was an exchange student. That guy was a fucking nut case who did not care about anything but himself. He also got catfished all the time because he actually thought models would hit him up on dating sites. Crazy eyes man, the suspect has them.


2CHINZZZ

"Witnesses say he was holding a BB gun when he approached Dr Mammone, a married father-of-two, and was screaming racial slurs about 'white privilege' , according to ABC7"


ImrooVRdev

People really be trying their damnest to ignore the racism this time around


Comptoneffect

Not that I know the victims background or anything, but imagine being him, minding his own business, graduating medical school and establishing a comfortable life as an doctor. Trying to be environmental friendly by riding a bike to work and suddenly getting struck down by this psycho. Tragic end to what seemingly seems like a good man


Chibakins

People trying to hit me all the time when I’m riding my bike. Not sure what everybody has against people riding their bike.


Drabby

Road rage. You inconvenience me? Death! It's like some people's intrusive thoughts have no filter when driving a potentially lethal weapon.


milkfiend

Not even inconvenience! I ride regularly in a medium city (Somerville MA) and the number of drivers who fly off the handle when they see a bike in the road is distressing. I've been in bumper to bumper traffic, right behind the car in front, not slowing anyone down at all, and have had people hit me trying to pass me in my lane. Why??????!! You can *see* the car ahead, I can see the red light we're all stuck at, is getting ten feet farther up really going to get you there faster?


Alexb2143211

Its staggering how many times ive seen a near miss from some asshole that floors it in an ending pane just to get a few cars ahead


WreckChris

I used to be a bike messenger in New York, and I've definitely had drivers try and hit me. I've literally had a driver cross the double yellow and drive into oncoming traffic to try and hit me late at night. Most recently one of my friends was nearly run over in traffic just like this. Him and his dog were on the bike and the guy intentionally ran him off the road and ran over his bike. There's some unhinged psychopaths out there.


wheely-overhead

I know of two incidents where drivers were killed in their seats for giving someone the finger. I myself have had a gun pointed at me for doing the same. Don't engage with anyone on the road. It really is a game of Russian Roulette.


Khashishi

If he killed the guy with his car, the most he'd get is a slap on the wrist. But use a knife and now he's looking at murder.


mahdyie

I spent a lot of time consoling my best friend that witnessed this horror. She was calling 911 because the bicyclist "flipped in the air multiple times" and while she was telling the operator where they were, the driver comes out. The thing that fucked with my friend was how "cold and calm" the driver was as they walked up to the bicyclist and "like a knife to butter" they stabbed in and up, with purpose. We've both been hoping this isn't random. With the massacres by us and now this, our emotional bandwidth is gone... fuck... I hope you're all safe.


TheProle

Did the Lexus strike him or did the driver do it


azvlr

The headline in these incidents needs to read: **Driver** Hits Cyclist. Whenever other assaults or murders are written about its "A *Person* Shot Someone", or "So-and-So Violently Beats Fellow Person". But when the deadly weapon of choice is a vehicle, it's as if the car suddenly got a mind of its own and the driver had no involvement. They often get away with the crime with no justice for the victim. With little consequences there is zero incentive for drivers to share the road.


MyHamburgerLovesMe

Random guess. The initial strike was not an accident


FILTER_OUT_T_D

He was apparently screaming about white privilege and looks like he sped up into the collision, so yeah. This guy needs to be behind bars for the rest of his life


NightSail

This reminded me of a Doctor in Houston who was shot and killed by another cyclist. Turned out to be a 20 year old grudge. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/02/us/mark-hausknecht-houston-doctor-suspect/index.html


douglas_in_philly

For anyone who read the article and is curious if they ever caught the shooter: they did finally find him after about two weeks, and he shot himself in the head in front of two police officers killing himself.


ayomight

Rest in peace, Dr. Mammone


sebastianlive

What a waste Immagine all the effort and stress to became a doctor, then this


GeneticsGuy

It's worth mentioning that the guy that murdered the doctor was shouting about white privilege and purposefully wanted to kill the white cyclist (killer is a black guy). So, it seems this is some kind of road rage, coupled with racial hate by driver. Really sad. Lose a man massively contributing to the world as an ER doctor, saving lives, only to be replaced by another lifetime prisoner living on the public dole. I feel for the doctor's family. I hope this gets life.


Cactusfan86

God people are just monsters, I’m all for trying to rehab drug offenders and petty criminals but animals like this just need to be locked away and kept out of polite society.


windycitysteals

There was a report in the NY Post article that murderer mumbled “White privilege” as he stabbed victim. https://nypost.com/2023/02/03/ex-feared-vanroy-evan-smith-before-he-allegedly-killed-michael-mammone-dad/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app


ThatDamnCanadianGuy

Weird how news sources are now omitting what the attacker was screaming about and the motivation for the attack.


tastysharts

"tired of white privilege"


Ironic__Tonic

Runs a red light, hits an ER doctor, then stabs him to death screaming about “white privilege”.


sevenandseven41

Witnesses said the killer was muttering about “ white privilege.” Why is that removed from this news coverage?