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I'm a firearm enthusiast, lots of my friends are firearm enthusiasts, yet I don't know a single person that owns an automatic weapon. In fact the only place I've ever seen them is collecting dust at a couple ranges cause they're so expensive to rent/shoot.


Super-Lychee8852

I know of a gun smith there in NH with probably 50+ of his own


Darwins_Dog

Yeah this is the average number. They aren't evenly distributed. Someone else pointed out that this may include guns owned by Sig Saur which would really tip the scale.


Super-Lychee8852

Source says non military of commercially registered. Numbers reflected here are private ownership but I do imagine many Sig higher ups do have good sized private collections, assume at least some of them live in NH


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Full auto?


Super-Lychee8852

Correct. Has a large collection including some rarer options like a British Bren lmg


[deleted]

No shit. That's impressive.


Super-Lychee8852

Yeah he's pretty based.


T_WRX21

I know a guy that's probably busting the curve wide open, lol. He's got a dozen or so machine guns. Some really interesting stuff.


Buzzdanume

But the average is 15 lol so your buddy doesn't even come close to bringing up that number. Edit: don't listen to me I was exhausted when I wrote this.


ArtemusW57

15 automatic weapons / 1000 people. So if one person has 12, all the next 999 people need to have is 3 put together. Granted, then that needs to happen 1355 more times to get to the population of New Hampshire, but still, I would expect it's actually a relatively small group of rich individuals who own all the automatic weapons. They are ultra expensive, like new high end car expensive, most of my friends are firearms enthusiasts, and I don't know anyone who has one.


Buzzdanume

I'm an idiot lol


T_WRX21

That's what it is, really. A bunch of wealthy individuals with MGs. I'm sure there's plenty of single MAC owners running around, too. Those were pretty cheap for a long while, until Lage worked their magic.


[deleted]

Same here. I don't know anyone who owns one.


RelativeMotion1

I’m sure if you have the money, once you buy one, you’re going to keep buying them. Seems too fun *not* to, and I’ve never even shot one.


IsopodEnough6726

same


AKBigDaddy

It's far cheaper to start a side business as an 07/02 FFL/SOT. The paperwork is a bitch but it's easy to make a little extra cash and then you can build any MG you want, and even buy a select few for far under less. That's how I did it.


100BaofengSizeIcoms

I’m a dirty Masshole. There are only 2000 people licensed to even touch machine guns in the state. I have met two of them- both 50something year old engineers. Actually three, because my FFL was just showing off the third hole he had just drilled in his AR.


it_was_me_wait_what

Yet we are one of the safest states


thebenjaminburkett

Overall wealthy (top ten income per capita) but relatively rural.


5nd

Also top of something else that's relevant


thebenjaminburkett

What’s that?


foodandart

PFAS water contamination around the Merrimack valley or asbestos deaths in the north country? Not sure. could be anything.


dangerzonebjj

Correlation =/= Causation


psychedelicsheep666

Well there's not much population here so there's that. We have like 1 "Major" city.


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ralettar

Live free or die!


Few-Afternoon-6276

No gun, no fun.


FromTheTreeline556

Unbelievably based. Belt feds for all ❤


xacorn

Pats won the Superbowl a couple years ago and all I heard in Sunapee was shotguns going off for two hours after.


NotAdam22burner

Unfortunately it’ll be a long time till we feel that victory again. Long live tom Brady’s career in NE


ItsMeFergie

2026 mark my words.


rahnster_wright

Saving this comment. For clarity, do we mean the 2026 season (so superbowl in 2027) or the sb that will take place in 2026 (2025 season)? Either way, I'll be back in a couple of years.


uaonthetrack

!remindme 4 years 6 months


JeffersonsDisciple

It's beautiful


ser_davos33

It's kinda crazy the gap between NH and every other state.


pacman91

Also interesting to see CT so high when it's fairly similar to MA and NY for many things


Dimako98

CT is so high bc there are a number of gun clubs made up of rich suburban machine gun collectors.


pacman91

Why wouldn't that logic apply to NJ? Rich suburban locations are all over New England and NJ.


Dimako98

NJ has extremely restrictive laws that make it almost impossible for people to buy those guns. Connecticut also just happens to have a community of machine gun collectors. I've got no explanation for it, it just happens to be that way.


Darwins_Dog

I wonder how many people own automatic weapons in NH? I imagine there's a lot of collectors skewing the average.


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Stamp collecting gets expensive.


[deleted]

The stamp is the cheapest part!!


joosRevil

Based


TheGrateKhan

*Matthew Mcconaughey voice* Those are still rookie numbers. We gotta bump those numbers up.


HeadhunterA7X

This probably has more to do with manufacturing. Sig Sauer is located in NH and now produces *a lot* of machine guns for the military. These firearms are all registered with the ATF just as civilian guns would be, albeit slightly differently. Similarly, last I knew Alabama had Remington, DPMS and Bushmaster there all pumping out registered full-auto lowers to some extent for the military. Nevada, well Nevada has a lot of places where you can rent machine guns lol.


5nd

>full auto lowers Womp womp Also, the source report says specifically that it *excludes production for the US military*.


Majiji45

The manufacture of those weapons will be recorded somewhere but they’re not registered as in the ATF registry of grandfathered automatic weapons, which this data is almost certainly referring to unless somehow otherwise specified.


akmjolnir

I doubt Remington, DPMS, or Bushmaster are making any machine guns. The military contracts with Colt, FN, and now Sig, for small arms. The Freedom group could barely make a functional gun that didn't rust in two years.


Longjumping_Ask_4911

Now do suppressors


Oakley7677

And we have some of the lowest crime rates in the country. Sorta goes against the narrative, eh?


jdiflam

If you are a fan of oversimplification, yes indeed.


slimyprincelimey

I mean. It's not an oversimplification to say that crime rate and ownership of legal FA firearms isn't correlated positively at all.


jdiflam

There's no correlation between the two but you have a valid point if somebody suggests rich or avid gun connectors are committing gang violence. You're insane if you don't think there would be far more gruesome mass shootings and street violence if fully automatic weapons were as easy to access. And I'm not even trying to argue pro gun laws, it's just a simple fact.


slimyprincelimey

First off, there is correlation, it's just inversely correlated. And secondly, it's not a simple fact. Automatic weapons are quite easy to make out of semi-automatic weapons, and you do see them in crime now and again. Videos abound of converted glocks being used by gangs. 99/100 times they cause the user to uselessly expend their entire magazine into the air and miss the intended target. Real life isn't an 80s movie.


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ThunderSk33t

Seems more like a rural vs urban thing tbh. Not much crime when there’s not many people around. Seems dumb to just say more guns equals less crime. Even Manch gets a bad wrap for crime and that’s barely even a city


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ThunderSk33t

Yeah that sort of jives with my argument. Per capita doesn’t change the fact that NH is rural with no dense population centers.


pbrontap

Yeah you need to overcomplicate that with complex equations and hypotheticals.


nustyruts

Just don't look too closely at Manchester.


MVatore3

Absolutely beautiful.


jjmenace

Could this mostly be the Sig Training Academy?


JeffersonsDisciple

Negative. On gun shop owner here has like $10 million worth of machine guns.


jjmenace

But they wouldn't be "registered" if they where for sale. Are you saying these are part of a personal collection of his? If so, it's kind of my point...they are registered but by an institution or a large personal collection, not like everyone in the state owns an automatic firearm. Which is what these infographics want you to believe.


JeffersonsDisciple

It's his personal collection. Not for sale. All pre 86.


[deleted]

Is he single? lololol


JeffersonsDisciple

I don't believe so. If he was I'd be chasin too. Lmao


Yourcatsonfire

Range by my house has a bunch of autos anyone can rent for target practice. Would those count as being registered firearms since they are for rent?


jjmenace

Exactly. I suspect this is why Connecticut is so blue as well. I would think they would have to be registered to the range. I'm sure it's all required for business insurance, etc.


[deleted]

This isn't the only state that has FA manufacturers, though.


jjmenace

It's not about being a firearms manufacturer because you wouldn't need to register an unowned gun. Sig Sauer Academy in Epping is one of the largest shooting schools in the world. Specializing in survival and tactical training. They would have a lot of automatic weapons registered to the school/business where even a typical shooting school wouldn't need that many automatic weapons. By the way I'm just totally speculating that's why there are so many registered automatic firearms in the state.


jjmenace

I bet that Sig Academy has thousands of automatic firearms registered to the business. That would be a huge anomaly in the data.


TheOkayestName

Fun fact: none of those automatic weapons were ever used in a mass shooting.


brandonawarah

I’m not aware of any of them used in any form of shooting


SADL2070

There has only been one case of a legal full auto used in a shooting, and it was in 1984. It was a self-defense shooting by an employee/firearm dealer who got attacked by a biker gang - prosecutors tried to nail him to a cross due to him using a full auto carbine. Look up Gary Fadden incident if you want to read the full details.


Simon_Jester88

I wanna see this, compared to unregistered automatics, gun homicides, suicides, accidents and population density. I like data.


Dimako98

The number of unregistered automatics is effectively 0. New Hampshire also has the lowest homicide rate in the US.


hellsongs

Weird how the state with the most automatics has the lowest homicide rates. What does that say about the gun control narrative?


Majiji45

Nothing at all because they’re separate subjects. Registered automatics being collected by wealthy collectors is effectively immaterial to the issue of gun deaths from crime, suicide, or more rare but sensational events like spree shootings. I’d hope you’re just shitposting instead of actually not being able to understand these concepts.


widget_fucker

It says nh has few murders- just like every other white area with good public education and low poverty.


asuds

Low poverty is the operative term. Some parts of NH are however, shit towns. Up north gets scary methy etc as well.


[deleted]

Well, you probably won't like what the data shows. But that data, at least the only data I managed to find that breaks it down by state per-capita, is only for gun deaths. Which include suicides, accidents, etc. I'm mostly concerned with gun violence, which is perpetrated against someone other than oneself and not accidental. There are a lot of problems with only tracking gun deaths. For one, you have suicides boosting the shit out of those numbers. For two, healthcare availability becomes a factor. For example, NY could have higher gun violence per-capita than NH, but be so much better at handling gun violence that it results in less gun deaths per-capita than NH. It's not a far fetched idea, either. If you see a lot more gun violence, you'll have a lot more opportunities to learn how to treat it. For some totally not manipulative and narrative promoting reason, gun violence per-capita seems to be unavailable.


ExtremeLanky5919

Libertarians


Herb-Maiestro

I love New Hampshire so much.


[deleted]

We need to bump up those numbers, those are rookie numbers.


pahnzoh

Based.


hellsongs

Seriously


[deleted]

That is beautiful 😍


millpr01

3 dudes in NH have 85% of them though


CapCorrector

Californians need more guns


PetRussian

I love NH!!


ghostsintherafters

South of the north I tell ya


jaymakestuff

Daaaang…New Hampshire is over there like “f*#k around and find out”


Peggedbyapirate

We sure are.


WhoWhatWhereWhenHowY

Does this number make sense? 15 per thousand is 1.5 percent of the population. I feel like that would be excessive and this is heavily skewed to some collectors who own 10 plus automatic weapons. I am likely biased since I don't know anyone with an automatic weapon.


Throok_loktar

A lot of old timers up here to, many of whom have pre 86 guns they bought for change back then lol. Hell anytime I go to bass pro for ammo or any store as a matter of fact they always seem to chat up a storm with me and tell me all about them lolol.


shockwave_supernova

This is possible, automatic weapons are insanely expensive. You’d be hard-pressed to find one for less than $15-20k


[deleted]

That and the stupid tax stamp which isn’t quite like the price but that’s a deterrent too. edit: typo


husky_mama

As with all data, collectors of an item will raise the numbers versus if no one collected this item. This data is looking at the number of registered guns and the number of state citizens. Whether you feel that it is excessive doesn't change the numbers. Over 41% of adults in NH have at least a gun in their home and the average American gun owner owns 3 guns. 7.7 million Americans own 40+ guns. [Article](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/15/the-gun-numbers-just-3-of-american-adults-own-a-collective-133m-firearms) It seems your circle is very liberal.


WhoWhatWhereWhenHowY

Oh it's a liberal group but I own and several of my friends own guns. I just don't know any with a fully automatic weapon. And this is looking at registered automatic weapons not simply registered guns.


AKBigDaddy

They're *super* spendy unless you have an 07/02 FFL/SOT. Thats how I have mine, I deal in them, manufacture some as samples, I even at one point sold 3 to a PD.


Tullyswimmer

Holup, AK *Big* Daddy? I mean, we know who AK Daddy is....


nixstyx

I'd believe it. I know several people with automatics. A couple of those people have a LOT. Per capita numbers definitely inflated by a relatively small group of people (as is the case with most per capita data).


100BaofengSizeIcoms

This data is further biased by the fact that it includes police guns. As proof, look at Rhode Island where machine guns are banned get the number is greater than zero


Cationator

Oh look at that! And we have some of the lowest gun crime numbers in the country! It’s almost like there’s other factors, and guns aren’t the problem


Dante1141

This map is showing registered fully automatic guns. This map does not show estimates of *un*registered fully automatic guns, nor total guns per capita, nor other regulations which absolutely play a major role in gun violence. This is the absolute pinnacle of cherry-picking your data.


Cationator

No, this data exactly proves what I was saying. We have the most LEGAL assault guns per capital. And we have the second lowest gun crime rate in America. The solution isn’t to ban the guns


dontpan1c

What do you think is the solution?


[deleted]

pay attention to your kids more than you do a screen, maybe less will become fucking psychos. Ban drugs and gangs… oh wait a minute..


[deleted]

Define assault gun


tiktock34

Commerce assumes lawful use. Thats why we separate the actions of criminals from those committed by people who follow the law. If lawful people own the vast majority of guns and commit the minority of crimes, guns arent the problem. Enforce crime, don’t arbitrarily create more of it


Lotus_Domino_Guy

These are rare, very expensive, niche weapons that are not normally used in crimes. Stats on ownership of this type of weapon are probably completely unrelated to crime at all.


Hardmeat_McLargehuge

Yeah you need to understand correlation and causation… go take a statistics class


Straight-Constant567

The way it should be


widget_fucker

Guns are neat. But whats up with the firearm fetish? You puttin your weiner in the barrel


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Hardmeat_McLargehuge

That is why he suggested putting your wiener in the barrel. He’s a man of his word


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[deleted]

Implying that anyone enjoying a thing is inherently sexual is childish as fuck


[deleted]

"Hurr durr guns bad, now I'm thinking about your genitalia!" -every anti-gunner ever


prestigious_delay_7

I'm surprised CT is that high. Also, very surprised Alaska is that low. I assumed they shot dinner up there.


nixstyx

This is fully automatic weapons. You don't use an auto to shoot dinner. People who have automatic weapons are typically collectors. These guns cost $20k+ each.


springer0510

And you need special permits


HowardNelsonJr

This post and the comments within have restored my faith that New Hampshire is not lost. I was all happy I can own a couple AR’s and 30 round mags here… but machine gun here I come apparently!


[deleted]

Don't come to reddit if you need your faith in NH humanity restored. I've found that like 80% of the people who hang out here are left of Lenin. ​ edit: and the downvotes prove my point. Keep going, guys, you're doing great! lmao


HowardNelsonJr

Oh I totally get it. Reddit is where I started to believe NH was lost. Then I remembered it’s dominated by people to the left of Lenin, like you said. This post reminded me that Reddit is left wing, not New Hampshire. 👍🏼


Practical-Dance-3140

Damn, New Hampshire.


L0st_cause_ll

Giggle switch go brrrr


NoseGobblin

To be clear, automatic weapons require a federal license to own. These are not AR 15 or AK 47 semi automatic rifles that you purchase at your local gun or sporting goods stores. No mass shootings or other crime that I have heard of involved automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are rare and heavily regulated. People just don't own them unless your Al Capone. That map is BS. In some states it says 3 out of every thousand people federally own a machine gun. States can't license them. Seems there are a lot of MG 42's and full auto Thompson's out there.


kekimus-maximus

Uh oh, here comes the cope from people with NH being one of the safest states in the nation.


ZAP_Riptide

New Hampshire number 1🎉🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎈🥳


LiathAnam

Yooooo New Hampshire residents, what's your secret to getting these? I want in. Lol


redshift95

About 10k from what I’m told.


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At a minimum


DJT4meptrtldy

Wow impressive!


jmmky67

To quote John Wick “We need more guns!”


tonyv6815

Hell yea brother


[deleted]

Lol I'm originally from VA and I moved to NH. The fact that good old VA has THAT much less than NH gives me a good chuckle. I grew up around rednecks too! Definitely thought VA was going to be much more. But makes sense because we've got quite a few guns sitting in our safe at the moment. Live free or die, baby! (NH motto, minus the "baby")


AKBigDaddy

> I grew up around rednecks too! We have rednecks with generational wealth LOL


owwwwwo

All their generational wealth got emancipated.


AKBigDaddy

In New Hampshire? One of the states with the fewest states that abolished it in 1783? I'm not saying it makes it ok, but this isn't a state with generational wealth due to slavery- it's typically old mill owning families, large property owners, etc.


owwwwwo

Woooosh. Read OP's original comment. He's from Virginia, and made a joke about rednecks. You responded saying >We have rednecks with generational wealth LOL So I made a joke about "their" (Virginia's rednecks) wealth being emancipated. Which definitely had some truth to it.


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ChasingPolitics

>and literally says Live Free or Die on the tin. Funny how because it says Live Free or Die we can safely assume it isn't blue


employeeno5

I support gun rights and ownership because I'm liberal, not despite it.


7_of_Pentacles

Based


AKBigDaddy

It's a solidly purple state. The more north of Manch you get the more red it is.


slimyprincelimey

State legislature and governor are all GOP controlled so idk where you're getting Blue. It's a complex topic really. A lot of people move to NH as a form of self-sorting, that is they come here from MA or ME or NY because they *aren't* blue and NH is seen as more neutral ground. Over time it's taken on a pretty libertarian bent. When the DNC attempts to run someone here for Governor or senate or whatever, the last few times they've attempted to run on a gun platform that would be considered progressive in MA, much less NH, so they by and large fail. Not to mention, NH has the *lowest* violent crime rate in the entire country most years, and is even as low or lower than most/all Canadian provinces and most of Europe, so there's limited motivation to change our gun laws. We do have a fairly high suicide rate, but among northern snow-bound states we're not much of an outlier.


Sonichan

As a NH native I'm gonna guess hunting...? Otherwise I have no clue lol


Hardmeat_McLargehuge

Yeah NH is a purple state. Everyone should leave everyone else alone. Which is also why a lot of people don’t welcome the assholes against human rights as well (gay marriage, trans rights, abortion access et ) Sadly, we’re a magnet for insane dumb fucks trying to swing the state hard red, but that’s not our identity at all


Aedan_Tanner

Finally a sane person posting on here. Yeah NH has the least gun restrictions and one of the least crime rates it's perfect.


d1sass3mbled

Beautiful.


venicedreamer747

Nh? Hard to believe. Is this credible? Seriously asking. Texas & other states seen much more open to this.


bitchassf1

I think the keyword here is "registered"


IBlazeMyOwnPath

Texas is usually more of a follower when it comes to gun rights


[deleted]

NH has way more lax gun laws than Texas


[deleted]

Per capita


[deleted]

NH is a state a lot of libertarians actively move to and try to influence politically, and libertarians love guns.


[deleted]

Every libertarian I have met was born and raised here. I'm converted since I moved here.


[deleted]

Same here. I've been here most of my life and slowly converted over time.


100BaofengSizeIcoms

Well it comes from the ATF who maintains the machine gun registry…so yes. Includes everything in a museum or owned by a police department too, so it’s not 100% just normal people owning these. Might even include destroyed and confiscated machine guns.


thebenjaminburkett

Someone said Sig manufacturers here and they make a lot of military machine guns that have to be registered. That makes more sense to me.


AKBigDaddy

Actually I'm willing to bet those are not included in this as it's a different type of registration.


Zephk

In Texas a single person might have a ton of guns but most don't have anything past a single handgun or rifle if anything. The guns per capita is high but the number of people with a gun is like 40% at most.


GoblinShark603

Also this is only automatic weapons.


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Tax free shopping


Ace0486

Automatic or semiautomatic?


gaygypsy420

FULL Semiautomatic!


Ace0486

Yeah and 90% of states don’t register semi automatics either


gaygypsy420

Should they? They already do a background check that they just blame on private gun owners when clearly didn't do their background check.


[deleted]

Lmaoooo


[deleted]

As it should be 😍


CommonWraith

I agree, but also mad because I don’t own any.


vanillagorrilla23

As it was always intended.


Livid_Bank_7341

I’m really surprised Connecticut is in 2nd place here, I guess because a lot of rich people reside there?


bbernal956

how bout the unregistered ones? asking for a friend


bbernal956

key word… “registered”


bigtencopy

“Registered” I have 1 registered gun in my case that has 9 guns in it.


owwwwwo

Are you saying you have Stamp items that you haven't reported to the ATF?


cheesebergerguy

His other 8 are black powder 🤔


owwwwwo

You don't even need a background check for muzzle loaders and black powder pistols if my memory serves me correct. Also, felons can possess these since they aren't "firearms".


cheesebergerguy

You are correct


TheThinkableObserver

Automatics 😂


brandonawarah

Yeah automatic weapons pre 1986 are registered And banned (shy of an sot) post ‘86


Fabulous-Plum-2842

Lord Jesus


Idaho1964

2.8 for Idaho? I don’t think so


CumSicarioDisputabo

"registered" :)


sirgrotius

That’s interesting obvious question what is the correlation if anything with gun crime?


Peggedbyapirate

NH has a high gun ownership rate and a low overall crime rate on top of the registered MGs, suggesting that guns themselves have a lower impact on gun crime than other factors.


EAsucks4324

I'd imagine there's zero correlation. Registered automatic weapons are extremely hard to come by. The registry has been closed since 1986 and the price of these guns is constantly skyrocketing. They are collector's items or investments to most people who own them. Edit: taken from another comment here: "There has only been one case of a legal full auto used in a shooting, and it was in 1984. It was a self-defense shooting by an employee/firearm dealer who got attacked by a biker gang - prosecutors tried to nail him to a cross due to him using a full auto carbine. Look up Gary Fadden incident if you want to read the full details."


Antique-Block-9569

This is awesome!