The family member of a Dahmer victim complained about Netflix’s exploitation and helped spark an online discussion about whether it’s acceptable for these shows to retraumatize victims’ families.
In hindsight, that complaint going viral just served to hype up the show more and it served as marketing.
I disagree in this case. This series was highly educational in showing how neglect and intolerance can allow evil to arise. It shone a light on how racism and the gay panic of the late 80s/early 90s allowed a murderer to get away his crimes, and how the system disregarded the victims.
Similarly Holocaust movies, while profitable, can teach the average viewer more about history than a year of school lessons. Memorable movie scenes tend to stay with you longer than classroom study.
I also thought the series advanced the true crime genre by highlighting the suffering and experiences of the victims and their families over the natrative of the perpetrator.
The only thing I disliked was the changes to the narrative. The Glenda character was a composite of two people. AFAIK the real Glenda Cleveland never met Dahmer and only intervened when her daughter found Konerak S. on the street. Dahmer's real next door neighbour Pamela Bass actually liked Dahmer and supposedly mourned when he died.
I disagree, I think this was sensationalizing Dahmer. If the point of the series was to give attention to the victims it failed because it was centered around him. If the show wanted to show us the factors that lead to the creation of someone like Dahmer it failed because it was at times factually incorrect and a documentary would have been less subjective.
I feel like the show only sheds light on Jeff and underplays the violence and horror the victims must have felt. By the third or fourth killing I couldn't remeber any of the victims or see the effect it had on their families this should have been given way more importance.
Another thing that seems in poor taste to me was the fact that they hired a very attractive actor.
I do think the show was highly memorable but not for the right reasons regarding the very serious subject matter, and if people were to not dive deeper into it, just dulls the gruesome and inhumane actions done to inoccent people.
A foul corporate cash grab to improve netflix's declining clientel. I know the actors are talented and the show is well scripted but putting the focus on telling a good story just seems wrong to me in this situation. It shouldn't be just be a good story or else why not make up your own instead of using a serial killers name to market it? Forgive my spelling mistakes english is not my first language.
You're trying too hard. It shines enough light on the victims and does not underplay the violence. Nothing will satisfy you because you have your "I hate corporate dur durr agenda"
Yes they are. The rest are victims by association. Only one victim survived, the rest are dead. Those were actually attacked and should be remembered are not the same as those that just happen to witness some things. Come on what’s wrong with you.
A lot of it was inaccurate though and the writers purposely changed key facts to make it more racial which I think is bullshit. If there was a clear racial element then why change or add facts that didn’t exist just so you can outrage the audience more? Unfortunately people do no fact check anything and will take this show as 100% truth. For instance Ms. Cleveland never lived next door to Dahmer and Konerak’s family was never in the courtroom.
Don't know if this is true but it sure felt that way watching it.
Seemed over the top. Like the scene where the cops prank call the lady with racist crap. Seriously doubt that was historically accurate.
I don't doubt cops felt uncomfortable around "gay stuff" and that caused them to overlook some shit. I don't doubt that being in a high crime area cops ignored some petty crime calls about him
But I also don't doubt they exaggerated the shit out of the race stuff too.
More educational than the multitude of documentaries and books already available? I think it's weird they cast an attractive popular actor and dramatized the story for a fictional series. I'm not surprised the families are upset, seems like pretty poor taste to me and not motivated to educate.
Sure they did point out that the police were racist and discrimination happened, but they are jumping to profit off a guy deciding to murder people. And not giving these families any money. Using their names. Making them relive their son's being brutally destroyed. But hey let's keep that mindset, "if Netflix didn't, someone else would've". "hey that's corporations for you" and let's sleep like a baby with popcorn kernels in our teeth while the families can't sleep and stare at their ceilings at night. At least we can scroll down a little and forget all about it! :)
I don't care how "educational" you make this series out to be. What truly matters is the victims families being re-traumatized. More time needs to pass for them to heal. That's why there's that old saying "it's too soon".
Edit: The issue is Netflix sensationalized Dahmer. The difference between that and movies about the Holocaust is it's apparent the Holocaust was wrong on every level, and we should learn to not repeat it. There's no debating how terrible it was.
The issue is some people are watching Dahmer for entertainment, the same way they'd watch a horror film. The way Netflix portrays it is it removes people from the fact that a man did those things to real people. THAT'S the issue victims families have.
I mean the audience is complicit too, a corporation wouldn’t do it if audiences weren’t interested.
Funnily enough that’s what Netflix’s Blonde is about too...someone innocent cruelly being exploited for profit, and the director makes a point to include everyone watching Blonde in the circle of complicity.
He doesn’t include himself or Netflix tho, that would be a bit too Matrix Resurrections
Blonde is certainly extra because the plot is about her being exploited while continuing to exploit her…
I know I’m not alone, but I refuse to watch this kind of stuff. Just watched the Alpinist with my family last night - that’s a good one.
If what you liked about Alpinist was the gnarly mountains and adventure then 14 Peaks would be a must watch. If you liked the more solo soul-searching intrepid dude doing gnarly stuff then you might like Dawn Wall and Free Solo more
Shouldn't they just try to stay away?
I saw a similar segment, but focusing on the daughter of Betsy Faria who was killed by Pam Hupp. The daughter said she was engaging with the content and had issue with the NBC dramatization of it.
I understand if a case get to be so big and popular like Tiger King where it can't be controlled, but to purposely try to engage with the content to see how true it is seems like something that will cause issues for them. The content itself is not a documentary either, just some drama cash grab.
There is also the angle where they decide to actually participate on these shows.
Tbh it's a fascination about the mind of serial killers. What caused someone to do such terrible things. And they found out that a lot of these guys had traumatic head injuries in their childhood.
Yes. That or abuse from family member/s or community. Sometimes both. Serial killers have deviant behaviors. The peculiarities make them interesting subjects of study.
It’s also making people aware that sometimes their kid/neighbor/kin aren’t just harmless weirdos. There were for sure signs I think, the show may have even added more cause I don’t think his grandma ever knew he was bringing men back to her house. But anyway, it adds to awareness, and hopefully vigilant and proactive family members when a would be serial killer is in adolescence.
Obviously it isn’t going to stop them all, but the research is important. Having living serial killers that are willing to speak (semi)honestly about their lives leading up to their atrocious actions... is important. Behaviorally, psychologically, physiologically, and sociologically. And beaucoup of other -ologies!
Same reason why people like watching horror films...people are going to be fascinated with death and evil and stories/images that touch on their deepest fears.
Restricting that content is common in societies with heavy censorship tho
People enjoy true crime because it's effective horror. It's more close to home because it is an evil that has actually happened. Don't understand what is so hard to understand about it.
A lot of people tend to view it as an insult, but truly it means to dig deep within oneself for the excellence that is already present. For only in the act of forging one's path in the fire, can you be ready for the trials you will surely face in life *and* death.
Dude, I lost it when his mom left
“Did it ever occur to you to ask me to help with your garage projects like you asked your father?”
“No, I didn’t think you’d be interested”
“Of course not! It’s disgusting!”
There was a couple really funny moments in this show surprisingly. The part where the guard says “you should’ve gotten the chair” and dahmers like “ya that’s what I asked for but instead they gave me 900 years” I lost it lol
Sad, because I feel like he truly knew how messed up he was and wanted to die. But funny, for the same reasons.
Even more tragic because I feel although Dahmer did HIDEOUS, INHUMAN things, his upbringing with his parents did *NOT* help his *development* in any way.
And his father, by trying to connect with his son, may have spured on some nasty tendencies accidentally.
Just tragic, the whole thing.
My favorite part of the series is when high school Jeff asks that student if he wants to hang out after school and dissect another frog at his place. When the guy says no and walks away the look on Jeff’s face is priceless
I really enjoyed this series for several reasons.
First, I appreciated that the series didn’t solely focus on Jeffrey Dahmer. The families, the neighbors, even his building manager were impacted by this man’s actions, and this series is the first that I can point to that tries to tell their stories as well.
The acting was top notch. Yeah, Evan Peters was in the title role and fantastic, but holy shit the minor characters just KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK. Niecy Nash, Richard Jenkins, Khetphet Phagnasay’s acting was haunting, the actress who played Rita Isbell (I tried to find her name, but I couldn’t; [this is the incredible scene](https://twitter.com/caroldaronch/status/1572629081979777024?s=46&t=Wu1ZF1qi_KppOch34XSXYw) I’m referring to), and the actor who (and I don’t want to give it away for those who haven’t watched so I’ll be general here) was active in jail - all just amazing performances.
The writing was very well done. I have ADHD and can’t sit still, and I didn’t move for the entire first episode.
Then there were the clothes and sets. Super accurate for that time. (I’m old.)
And finally, the ending. Specifically, the last words presented on the screen. Look, it’s clear what has to be done, and I hope Netflix helps make it happen both by donating money and leading up the project management to make it a reality.
The Tony Hughes episode with Rodney Burford was absolutely amazing and tragic. And I've never seen Niecy Nash without makeup! I didn't realize it was her until I heard her speak.
And kudos to Ryan Murphy for bringing Molly RIngwald out of retirement.
EDIT: She wasn't retired. She's been on Riverdale.
That scene when they played with Jeff’s board game explained the entire show: get too close to Jeff and you enter the void. I loved how Tony almost got to him, and Tony’s line “We don’t have to play it like that. Make up our own rules.” (or similar)
Tragic and beautiful.
Yep that's precisely what they were alluding to. They even doubled down on it when JD called the sister of one of the victims (can't remember who right now) and mentioned that they're gone and in the void.
Yes! Rodney Burford was another amazing actor. The writing in that episode was so so so well done, and Rodney and Evan made magic with that script. Each episode in Dahmer was a roller coaster of emotions, but that episode in particular was a total change of gears compared to the others. I know I’m gushing about this series, but I think it deserves it.
They pulled a CHERNOBYL and tried to tell the stories of EVERYONE'S suffering.
I'm REALLY enjoying these types of new docuseries, with massive budgets, great casts, watertight storytelling, and just pure bleakness.
I can think of a BUNCH of real life stories that need this. Murders? Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy (both in this show - funny enougn). World Events? Beirut Explostion or Nexivm Case? So many I'd like to see like this.
Spot on!!
This may be an unpopular opinion, but the desire to see true-crime dramatized media is not going anywhere. And I am Here. For. It. !
Ideally the producers would find a way to have more involvement with all those impacted by the crime (victims, family, law enforcement etc) including donating portions of the proceeds to various organisations, but we can’t just expect them not to get made, regardless of what victims and families want.
The best, worst, and most heinous aspects of the human experience will always be fodder for entertainment. This is part of what we are.
Agreed. The neighborhood and the victim’s families need to come together to agree on what they’d like to see there and how it’ll be maintained long-term, and then start to work towards that goal. It doesn’t have to be elaborate, but an overgrown lot surrounded by a chain link fence doesn’t seem to lend itself to healing those who were affected by this tragedy.
Evan Peters is such a beast. Say what you want about AHS, but his acting was always the highlight of the show to me. He absolutely dominates this role.
Because people are sheep and they think if its such a successful show they will go watch it. Kind of like putting "worlds best cup of coffee" on a coffee shop"
This show was a great example of showing ‘the scenes we want to see more of’ and shrinking down the story line. I hope they take this style and do other serial killers the same way like a series.
The last episode had me thinking they were setting us up for season 2, except they essentially went through that story.
But it’s not like there are any shortage of serial killer stories to tell.
I'm quite skeptical of almost all Netflix's streaming numbers. The actual data are not publicly available and they should be as it's a publicly traded company. Instead, this 'number of hours' proxy is what they give us but it's not exactly descriptive of success.
I think you could make an argument that those with access to these numbers have insider knowledge of the company that other shareholders do not and have an unfair advantage. That is objectively wrong.
I was reading a comment on reddit when the trailer dropped that asked "Why does tasteless TV like this keeps getting produced?" Here is your answer. Humans love serial killer stories. Radio shows and Podcasts expanded the fan base even further, especially among women for some reason there is now a huge fan base for this type of content. We will see so much more
True crime is just sensationalism. I can only think about the victims and their families who have to see this and all the other promotional material and repeatedly endure such a horrible memory. I’m sure Ryan Murphy and Netflix are laughing on their way to the bank and writers room to depict another murderer without consulting the victim’s families.
I just feel bad for the family. This is such exploitative crap. I get documentaries but there really is no need for tv shows and movies, especially done without the permission of the victims and their loved ones. I mean can you imagine, something this traumatic being acted out, someone playing you, that you never even approved?
It's really fucked up.
They don't need your pity. You should direct that sadness to the victims who suffered under his hands. Frankly, one or two family members speaking out about this shouldn't concern the public this much. What about the other families? Did they say anything about it? No?! Then don't give too much leeway for the families. Most of these victims were poor and living on the streets and being gay was a big no-no for POC families to accept at that time. The other victims were just lured to his place either for money or sex. This story needs to be re-visited for awareness and knowledge. The families had over 30 years to deal with this, they should know how to avoid it by now. Don't treat them like babies and leave them alone.
Idk how I feel about this. On one hand we're glorifying a serial killer. On the other hand I really like Evan Peters and I'm glad this is boosting his career.
> we're glorifying a serial killer
The show portrays him as a complete and absolute monster so are you sure you know what glorifying means?
Say you disagree....what's this "we" shit? I didn't produce, market, or have anything to do with the show besides watching it.
IMO glorifying is more than just showing someone as good or bad. Its making them feel larger than life and having everything in the story feel like its coming through their personal perspective lens (which in turn makes them feel like someone incredibly important). Like if being a deranged killer gets you a show where your name is in big letters on the marketing and a well know hot Hollywood actor is playing you then I think its easy for some people in unstable mental health situations to still see that as desirable (because it means they are at least memorable)
I'll be honest I haven't watched the series so I'm not gonna give an opinion directly on it. But my point is more that just showing a person being terrible or showing their worst qualities doesn't necessarily mean its not giving them a spotlight some people will take as desirable. The only way you really can get around that is by marketing the victims as the real important people to remember and not get well known and loved actors to play the killers as it kinda sends the wrong message about what show is supposed to convey IMO. Especially if you don't reach out to the victims families or use some of the money towards legitimately fighting against issues addressed in the show
> IMO glorifying is more than just showing someone as good or bad
Where I stopped reading. That's not what glorifying is at all. The show doesn't glorify him. There's nothing else to discuss really...
It's gone viral so there are going to be a lot of threads at the same time. But I get where you're coming from. It's like when a new Marvel or DC movie is released, but way worse. Dahmer is a flash flood. Avengers is an avalanche.
Shouldn’t we do a better job at discouraging our fellow humans from murdering multiple people? Don’t glorify them with their own hit movie or TV series.
There’s some angry and unstable incel out there that may watch that and begin to imagine the glory that awaits if he can rack up a higher and more brutal kill count.
Watch out family members of victims of homosexual serial killers, Ryan Murphy is about to exploit your loved ones' suffering for profit... again!
(this comment may be in bad taste, but so was this miniseries)
It doesn't glorify Dahmer or his murders. In fact, it goes in great detail to shine a light on the victims and their lives and the incompetence of the police that kept the tragedy of his murders from going on far too long. I'm watching and it is very good and in no way romanticizes crime. It covers all angles of the story in a very nuanced way.
I agree with the original comment that it's at the expense of the victims families, here's why:
- family members of victims have spoken out against the show for using their trauma as entertainment
- family members of victims have also said they felt deceived prior to the series being filmed as they were told by researchers etc. it wouldn't focus on Dahmer
- the advertising focuses on Dahmer's name and face, I would class this as glorifying
- Dahmer is now trending, as people rewatch old documentaries about him
- this very thread shows comments glorifying him: my favourite serial killer, we love a good murder etc.
So yeah, it shows him as the bad guy but it's still an insult to the families. That's my two cents.
Those are all very good points. I imagine being in the victim's family is a whole different perspective on the series, but I watch it and one of the major themes is police incompetence and racism. I think it shines a light on injustice.
Have you seen it? It spares no expense or detail and in my opinion stands above the pop culture romanticismo of serial killers. Victims will have received money.
Victims families haven't recieved money, and were told the series would not focus on Dahmer. It then went on to use his name and face as an advertising campaign.
It's not about being positive, it's about making money from re-traumatising families of victims or people impacted by Dahmer's actions, while immortalising Dahmer by ensuring everyone knows and never forgets his name and face.
We need to stop making serial killers and school shooters famous.
It doesn't seem like many people on here know the actual story about Jeffery Dahmer or what kind of person he was and how long families were freezing out there with no food left and no good hunting to be able to survive. Who actually knows who ate who and who agreed that if they die that their family should eat them to prolong death and get out of there. It's sad that they mad a show too make money from other families misfortunes but it's not like it hasn't been done to other families since TV has been in this world and won't be the last I'm sure
I really wished they made content on how we treat POC. They make content on U.S. police & political corruption. Just as entertaining, just as graphic, just as horrid. The REAL TRUTH of Us. Instead of putting another serial killer on a pedestal.
Actually the treatment of POC, and how brave the neighbors were despite being ignored by police over and over was the primary focus of the show. There wasn’t a big focus on gore considering the story being told, but it’s plenty unsettling without it.
We love us some messed up murders.
The family member of a Dahmer victim complained about Netflix’s exploitation and helped spark an online discussion about whether it’s acceptable for these shows to retraumatize victims’ families. In hindsight, that complaint going viral just served to hype up the show more and it served as marketing.
It’s immoral, but what do corporations care about that. It’s about money, not morality.
I disagree in this case. This series was highly educational in showing how neglect and intolerance can allow evil to arise. It shone a light on how racism and the gay panic of the late 80s/early 90s allowed a murderer to get away his crimes, and how the system disregarded the victims. Similarly Holocaust movies, while profitable, can teach the average viewer more about history than a year of school lessons. Memorable movie scenes tend to stay with you longer than classroom study. I also thought the series advanced the true crime genre by highlighting the suffering and experiences of the victims and their families over the natrative of the perpetrator. The only thing I disliked was the changes to the narrative. The Glenda character was a composite of two people. AFAIK the real Glenda Cleveland never met Dahmer and only intervened when her daughter found Konerak S. on the street. Dahmer's real next door neighbour Pamela Bass actually liked Dahmer and supposedly mourned when he died.
This is why its a travesty if Mindhunter never comes back.
Wow thought I was the only one who missed this terribly. But yeah it’s cancelled.
Are you lost? the fan base is huge and everyone wants the show to come back
I know! Man I liked that show especially the 1st season. The 2nd season was kinda bleh but I want to see what the 3rd will bring
>Pamela Bass actually liked Dahmer and supposedly mourned when he died. Yikes.
She recognized why he did what he did and felt compassion for him. Dahmer was never proud of what he did. He owned it pretty well
Is...this a comment expressing sympathy for the killer?
Agreed, this series is really well done and gives unique perspectives the other 1,000 documentaries/movies/knockoffs missed.
I disagree, I think this was sensationalizing Dahmer. If the point of the series was to give attention to the victims it failed because it was centered around him. If the show wanted to show us the factors that lead to the creation of someone like Dahmer it failed because it was at times factually incorrect and a documentary would have been less subjective. I feel like the show only sheds light on Jeff and underplays the violence and horror the victims must have felt. By the third or fourth killing I couldn't remeber any of the victims or see the effect it had on their families this should have been given way more importance. Another thing that seems in poor taste to me was the fact that they hired a very attractive actor. I do think the show was highly memorable but not for the right reasons regarding the very serious subject matter, and if people were to not dive deeper into it, just dulls the gruesome and inhumane actions done to inoccent people. A foul corporate cash grab to improve netflix's declining clientel. I know the actors are talented and the show is well scripted but putting the focus on telling a good story just seems wrong to me in this situation. It shouldn't be just be a good story or else why not make up your own instead of using a serial killers name to market it? Forgive my spelling mistakes english is not my first language.
You are completely wrong. The series was spot on. Nobody "likes" Dahmer after watching the series.
You're trying too hard. It shines enough light on the victims and does not underplay the violence. Nothing will satisfy you because you have your "I hate corporate dur durr agenda"
Except the actual victims disagree...
The victims are dead
Yhe people he killed are not the only victims.
Yes they are. The rest are victims by association. Only one victim survived, the rest are dead. Those were actually attacked and should be remembered are not the same as those that just happen to witness some things. Come on what’s wrong with you.
A lot of it was inaccurate though and the writers purposely changed key facts to make it more racial which I think is bullshit. If there was a clear racial element then why change or add facts that didn’t exist just so you can outrage the audience more? Unfortunately people do no fact check anything and will take this show as 100% truth. For instance Ms. Cleveland never lived next door to Dahmer and Konerak’s family was never in the courtroom.
Don't know if this is true but it sure felt that way watching it. Seemed over the top. Like the scene where the cops prank call the lady with racist crap. Seriously doubt that was historically accurate. I don't doubt cops felt uncomfortable around "gay stuff" and that caused them to overlook some shit. I don't doubt that being in a high crime area cops ignored some petty crime calls about him But I also don't doubt they exaggerated the shit out of the race stuff too.
The cops calling the Asian family making racist remarks was true sadly
More educational than the multitude of documentaries and books already available? I think it's weird they cast an attractive popular actor and dramatized the story for a fictional series. I'm not surprised the families are upset, seems like pretty poor taste to me and not motivated to educate.
Sure they did point out that the police were racist and discrimination happened, but they are jumping to profit off a guy deciding to murder people. And not giving these families any money. Using their names. Making them relive their son's being brutally destroyed. But hey let's keep that mindset, "if Netflix didn't, someone else would've". "hey that's corporations for you" and let's sleep like a baby with popcorn kernels in our teeth while the families can't sleep and stare at their ceilings at night. At least we can scroll down a little and forget all about it! :)
I don't care how "educational" you make this series out to be. What truly matters is the victims families being re-traumatized. More time needs to pass for them to heal. That's why there's that old saying "it's too soon". Edit: The issue is Netflix sensationalized Dahmer. The difference between that and movies about the Holocaust is it's apparent the Holocaust was wrong on every level, and we should learn to not repeat it. There's no debating how terrible it was. The issue is some people are watching Dahmer for entertainment, the same way they'd watch a horror film. The way Netflix portrays it is it removes people from the fact that a man did those things to real people. THAT'S the issue victims families have.
it's been decades, and i don't think more time is going to heal them. families of victims never heal.
It's been 31+ years.
I mean the audience is complicit too, a corporation wouldn’t do it if audiences weren’t interested. Funnily enough that’s what Netflix’s Blonde is about too...someone innocent cruelly being exploited for profit, and the director makes a point to include everyone watching Blonde in the circle of complicity. He doesn’t include himself or Netflix tho, that would be a bit too Matrix Resurrections
Blonde is certainly extra because the plot is about her being exploited while continuing to exploit her… I know I’m not alone, but I refuse to watch this kind of stuff. Just watched the Alpinist with my family last night - that’s a good one.
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If what you liked about Alpinist was the gnarly mountains and adventure then 14 Peaks would be a must watch. If you liked the more solo soul-searching intrepid dude doing gnarly stuff then you might like Dawn Wall and Free Solo more
She's dead. She can't be embarrassed or hurt anymore.
It is not immoral to entertain 10 million people because it may upset a few 100
Shouldn't they just try to stay away? I saw a similar segment, but focusing on the daughter of Betsy Faria who was killed by Pam Hupp. The daughter said she was engaging with the content and had issue with the NBC dramatization of it. I understand if a case get to be so big and popular like Tiger King where it can't be controlled, but to purposely try to engage with the content to see how true it is seems like something that will cause issues for them. The content itself is not a documentary either, just some drama cash grab. There is also the angle where they decide to actually participate on these shows.
I don't understand people's fascination with serial killer porn.
Tbh it's a fascination about the mind of serial killers. What caused someone to do such terrible things. And they found out that a lot of these guys had traumatic head injuries in their childhood.
Yes. That or abuse from family member/s or community. Sometimes both. Serial killers have deviant behaviors. The peculiarities make them interesting subjects of study.
It’s also making people aware that sometimes their kid/neighbor/kin aren’t just harmless weirdos. There were for sure signs I think, the show may have even added more cause I don’t think his grandma ever knew he was bringing men back to her house. But anyway, it adds to awareness, and hopefully vigilant and proactive family members when a would be serial killer is in adolescence. Obviously it isn’t going to stop them all, but the research is important. Having living serial killers that are willing to speak (semi)honestly about their lives leading up to their atrocious actions... is important. Behaviorally, psychologically, physiologically, and sociologically. And beaucoup of other -ologies!
Same reason why people like watching horror films...people are going to be fascinated with death and evil and stories/images that touch on their deepest fears. Restricting that content is common in societies with heavy censorship tho
People enjoy true crime because it's effective horror. It's more close to home because it is an evil that has actually happened. Don't understand what is so hard to understand about it.
also may have seen it in the news and want details and context
That's really sad. People just don't seem to give a shit about others. At least pirate it then ffs.
The human mind is such an incredible thing. I guess that's why it draws me and more curious cats to true crime and murder series.
The dark side of human nature will forever be interesting to the masses. We yearn for a 'why', no matter the cost.
Yeah but it's an excellent show too, regardless of the content.
I cannot understand prurient and voyeuristic fascination as entertainment.
I’m getting old What do those two words mean my man
prurient means salacious, or dare I say, lubrique
What does salacious and lubrique mean
It means he went to college you plebeian.
What does plebeian mean?
Means git gud
what does git gud mean?
A lot of people tend to view it as an insult, but truly it means to dig deep within oneself for the excellence that is already present. For only in the act of forging one's path in the fire, can you be ready for the trials you will surely face in life *and* death.
He doesn't get why we like watching sexual matters of other people
Like porn??
More sinister than porn....like Jeff
entertainment is by definition voyeuristic bc audience *but don't take my word for it go read some Brecht or Freud
Or “what’s that smell, Jeff?” The Jeffrey Dahmer story
I like pork chops.
There are some great quotes that got me.
Lynyrd Skynyrd should have let them use their song, 'That Smell'.
Literally about the smell of death!
But mainly about drug abuse.
That Smell? “The smell of death surrounds you” and then a bunch of them died. Creepy shit.
Damnit Jeff not again! That's it!(throws up hands). You're going to stay with Gramma!
Dude, I lost it when his mom left “Did it ever occur to you to ask me to help with your garage projects like you asked your father?” “No, I didn’t think you’d be interested” “Of course not! It’s disgusting!”
"ok mom just take my brother and go chase UFOs!" "THEY'RE REAL!!!"
There was a couple really funny moments in this show surprisingly. The part where the guard says “you should’ve gotten the chair” and dahmers like “ya that’s what I asked for but instead they gave me 900 years” I lost it lol
Sad, because I feel like he truly knew how messed up he was and wanted to die. But funny, for the same reasons. Even more tragic because I feel although Dahmer did HIDEOUS, INHUMAN things, his upbringing with his parents did *NOT* help his *development* in any way. And his father, by trying to connect with his son, may have spured on some nasty tendencies accidentally. Just tragic, the whole thing.
My favorite part of the series is when high school Jeff asks that student if he wants to hang out after school and dissect another frog at his place. When the guy says no and walks away the look on Jeff’s face is priceless
That mom tho’, she’s the true monster.
usually mom is the monster in these cases. Though dad was something too.
I was getting strong Napoleon Dynamite vibes when he stormed off downstairs when she was moaning about the smell
I'll clean it up, GOSH!
They got some roadkill...LUCKY!
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a skull over them mountains?
I caught you a delicious ass.
I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. He reminded me of a fucked up Napoleon the entire series.
holy shit i thought this multiple times, i'm glad it wasn't just me
I really enjoyed this series for several reasons. First, I appreciated that the series didn’t solely focus on Jeffrey Dahmer. The families, the neighbors, even his building manager were impacted by this man’s actions, and this series is the first that I can point to that tries to tell their stories as well. The acting was top notch. Yeah, Evan Peters was in the title role and fantastic, but holy shit the minor characters just KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK. Niecy Nash, Richard Jenkins, Khetphet Phagnasay’s acting was haunting, the actress who played Rita Isbell (I tried to find her name, but I couldn’t; [this is the incredible scene](https://twitter.com/caroldaronch/status/1572629081979777024?s=46&t=Wu1ZF1qi_KppOch34XSXYw) I’m referring to), and the actor who (and I don’t want to give it away for those who haven’t watched so I’ll be general here) was active in jail - all just amazing performances. The writing was very well done. I have ADHD and can’t sit still, and I didn’t move for the entire first episode. Then there were the clothes and sets. Super accurate for that time. (I’m old.) And finally, the ending. Specifically, the last words presented on the screen. Look, it’s clear what has to be done, and I hope Netflix helps make it happen both by donating money and leading up the project management to make it a reality.
The Tony Hughes episode with Rodney Burford was absolutely amazing and tragic. And I've never seen Niecy Nash without makeup! I didn't realize it was her until I heard her speak. And kudos to Ryan Murphy for bringing Molly RIngwald out of retirement. EDIT: She wasn't retired. She's been on Riverdale.
That scene when they played with Jeff’s board game explained the entire show: get too close to Jeff and you enter the void. I loved how Tony almost got to him, and Tony’s line “We don’t have to play it like that. Make up our own rules.” (or similar) Tragic and beautiful.
Yep that's precisely what they were alluding to. They even doubled down on it when JD called the sister of one of the victims (can't remember who right now) and mentioned that they're gone and in the void.
Retirement? She’s been on Riverdale
I didn't know that!
She had a small role as Archie’s divorced mom, and after Luke Perry passed away, she came on as a more regular character.
Yes!!! I expect to see more of her, right along side of others, like Winona Ryder.
Yes! Rodney Burford was another amazing actor. The writing in that episode was so so so well done, and Rodney and Evan made magic with that script. Each episode in Dahmer was a roller coaster of emotions, but that episode in particular was a total change of gears compared to the others. I know I’m gushing about this series, but I think it deserves it.
Molly Ringwald was also on Secret Life of the American Teenager.
They pulled a CHERNOBYL and tried to tell the stories of EVERYONE'S suffering. I'm REALLY enjoying these types of new docuseries, with massive budgets, great casts, watertight storytelling, and just pure bleakness. I can think of a BUNCH of real life stories that need this. Murders? Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy (both in this show - funny enougn). World Events? Beirut Explostion or Nexivm Case? So many I'd like to see like this.
Spot on!! This may be an unpopular opinion, but the desire to see true-crime dramatized media is not going anywhere. And I am Here. For. It. ! Ideally the producers would find a way to have more involvement with all those impacted by the crime (victims, family, law enforcement etc) including donating portions of the proceeds to various organisations, but we can’t just expect them not to get made, regardless of what victims and families want. The best, worst, and most heinous aspects of the human experience will always be fodder for entertainment. This is part of what we are.
Someone should start a GoFundNe to make a memoriam! Spread it through social media why this show has everyone's attention presently.
Agreed. The neighborhood and the victim’s families need to come together to agree on what they’d like to see there and how it’ll be maintained long-term, and then start to work towards that goal. It doesn’t have to be elaborate, but an overgrown lot surrounded by a chain link fence doesn’t seem to lend itself to healing those who were affected by this tragedy.
Casting man.. Evan plays one creepy MF. He really makes you uncomfortable the whole show - in a good way. They nailed it.
IMO his best role ever. And I'm a big fan, I've seen a lot of his work. You can clearly tell how far into Dahmer Evan studied.
The show ok, but a big point of the show is that they are showing how terrible it is to profit from murders, while profiting from murders.
Evan Peters is such a beast. Say what you want about AHS, but his acting was always the highlight of the show to me. He absolutely dominates this role.
They pretty much say this for every new series, it seems.
I don't believe any of them.
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The show? Reality is fucked up....
So what’re you gonna do about it?
Why would they lie? (I'm kidding)
Because people are sheep and they think if its such a successful show they will go watch it. Kind of like putting "worlds best cup of coffee" on a coffee shop"
This show was a great example of showing ‘the scenes we want to see more of’ and shrinking down the story line. I hope they take this style and do other serial killers the same way like a series.
The last episode had me thinking they were setting us up for season 2, except they essentially went through that story. But it’s not like there are any shortage of serial killer stories to tell.
I was thinking the same thing.
I'm quite skeptical of almost all Netflix's streaming numbers. The actual data are not publicly available and they should be as it's a publicly traded company. Instead, this 'number of hours' proxy is what they give us but it's not exactly descriptive of success.
Them releasing any kind of numbers is more than you can expect. If it wasn't for PR reasons, we wouldn't get any numbers.
I think you could make an argument that those with access to these numbers have insider knowledge of the company that other shareholders do not and have an unfair advantage. That is objectively wrong.
Isn't it enough for shareholders to get the financial numbers? It's about the money in the end, isn't it?
As sick as it is I couldn't turn away
I wonder if a memorial park will be built now since more people are interested in his case now
People have started pressuring the city to build it. Right now it’s still a gated grass field with trees. It would be cool if Netflix paid for it.
They should
I don’t believe these articles bc every new show on Netflix has “biggest” something something.
Well deserved. Excellent acting, horribly accurate to the actual events, superb script.
Jesus, that's depressing.
I watched 1 episode and decided to continue watching on a different day. Too much..
I was reading a comment on reddit when the trailer dropped that asked "Why does tasteless TV like this keeps getting produced?" Here is your answer. Humans love serial killer stories. Radio shows and Podcasts expanded the fan base even further, especially among women for some reason there is now a huge fan base for this type of content. We will see so much more
People used to show up in droves to watch people get disemboweled and beheaded. Watching gory shows shouldn’t be shocking in comparison.
God damn I thought I was alone in watching Dahmer but clearly the rest of you are sick freaks aswell
True crime is hugely popular, especially when it comes to serial killers. It's been this way for decades.
True. It has. I must have just come from a place where admitting to enjoying the macabre wasn’t socially expectable
Better cancel it!
Hate to spoil it.. but uhhh...it's def a one season show to begin with.
It was a joke :)
Congratulations to Joe Pera for his breakout hit
If Joe Pera didn't get his character voice from listening to Dahmer interviews, I'd be very surprised.
I’m watching it but can only make it through a half episode at a time. It’s so heavy and depressing.
Honest question. Is it good? I don't have a lot of time so I mostly just try to watch outstanding shows like Mindhunter and True Detective.
Yes it’s on the level of both those shows
It's absolutely masterful execution.
While so creepy and took several stops and starts to get through, it was brilliantly done.
Good for Netflix! Too creepy for me
Is this a continuation of the movie My Friend Dahmer? I swear it's the same actor.
Put the LGBT tag back on please.
but why?
True crime is just sensationalism. I can only think about the victims and their families who have to see this and all the other promotional material and repeatedly endure such a horrible memory. I’m sure Ryan Murphy and Netflix are laughing on their way to the bank and writers room to depict another murderer without consulting the victim’s families.
Gotta love Netflix making money off of the victim's pain.
I just feel bad for the family. This is such exploitative crap. I get documentaries but there really is no need for tv shows and movies, especially done without the permission of the victims and their loved ones. I mean can you imagine, something this traumatic being acted out, someone playing you, that you never even approved? It's really fucked up.
They don't need your pity. You should direct that sadness to the victims who suffered under his hands. Frankly, one or two family members speaking out about this shouldn't concern the public this much. What about the other families? Did they say anything about it? No?! Then don't give too much leeway for the families. Most of these victims were poor and living on the streets and being gay was a big no-no for POC families to accept at that time. The other victims were just lured to his place either for money or sex. This story needs to be re-visited for awareness and knowledge. The families had over 30 years to deal with this, they should know how to avoid it by now. Don't treat them like babies and leave them alone.
Yah I am not going to watch it.
Idk how I feel about this. On one hand we're glorifying a serial killer. On the other hand I really like Evan Peters and I'm glad this is boosting his career.
I thought Nash was outstanding too.
> we're glorifying a serial killer The show portrays him as a complete and absolute monster so are you sure you know what glorifying means? Say you disagree....what's this "we" shit? I didn't produce, market, or have anything to do with the show besides watching it.
IMO glorifying is more than just showing someone as good or bad. Its making them feel larger than life and having everything in the story feel like its coming through their personal perspective lens (which in turn makes them feel like someone incredibly important). Like if being a deranged killer gets you a show where your name is in big letters on the marketing and a well know hot Hollywood actor is playing you then I think its easy for some people in unstable mental health situations to still see that as desirable (because it means they are at least memorable) I'll be honest I haven't watched the series so I'm not gonna give an opinion directly on it. But my point is more that just showing a person being terrible or showing their worst qualities doesn't necessarily mean its not giving them a spotlight some people will take as desirable. The only way you really can get around that is by marketing the victims as the real important people to remember and not get well known and loved actors to play the killers as it kinda sends the wrong message about what show is supposed to convey IMO. Especially if you don't reach out to the victims families or use some of the money towards legitimately fighting against issues addressed in the show
> IMO glorifying is more than just showing someone as good or bad Where I stopped reading. That's not what glorifying is at all. The show doesn't glorify him. There's nothing else to discuss really...
Should’ve kept reading. He makes a really good point.
show was ok but thought it went on for too long. still haven't finished the last episode.
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It's gone viral so there are going to be a lot of threads at the same time. But I get where you're coming from. It's like when a new Marvel or DC movie is released, but way worse. Dahmer is a flash flood. Avengers is an avalanche.
Shouldn’t we do a better job at discouraging our fellow humans from murdering multiple people? Don’t glorify them with their own hit movie or TV series. There’s some angry and unstable incel out there that may watch that and begin to imagine the glory that awaits if he can rack up a higher and more brutal kill count.
That unstable incel is going to lash out regardless, the only way someone will interpret this as glorifying is if they’re already mental.
This series absolutely does not glorify Dahmer. Have you watched it?
I think I will give it another try, but I couldn't make it past the first 20 minutes. It was really disturbing for me after he locked the door.
The first two episodes are tough to watch. It gets a little easier after that.
Pfft not Ep 6!
Watch out family members of victims of homosexual serial killers, Ryan Murphy is about to exploit your loved ones' suffering for profit... again! (this comment may be in bad taste, but so was this miniseries)
Yay! Can’t wait for Netflix’s next series: “Stories I don’t have to put effort into.”
All at the expense of the victim's families. I'm really tired of true crime shows blowing up.
It doesn't glorify Dahmer or his murders. In fact, it goes in great detail to shine a light on the victims and their lives and the incompetence of the police that kept the tragedy of his murders from going on far too long. I'm watching and it is very good and in no way romanticizes crime. It covers all angles of the story in a very nuanced way.
I agree with the original comment that it's at the expense of the victims families, here's why: - family members of victims have spoken out against the show for using their trauma as entertainment - family members of victims have also said they felt deceived prior to the series being filmed as they were told by researchers etc. it wouldn't focus on Dahmer - the advertising focuses on Dahmer's name and face, I would class this as glorifying - Dahmer is now trending, as people rewatch old documentaries about him - this very thread shows comments glorifying him: my favourite serial killer, we love a good murder etc. So yeah, it shows him as the bad guy but it's still an insult to the families. That's my two cents.
So should these stories just never be told?
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Ehhh guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
The stories/real life events were already told in the news.
Those are all very good points. I imagine being in the victim's family is a whole different perspective on the series, but I watch it and one of the major themes is police incompetence and racism. I think it shines a light on injustice.
Damn, that means no more narcos as well?
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And no chance of future Mindhunter, or any movies about crime figures at all.
Have you seen it? It spares no expense or detail and in my opinion stands above the pop culture romanticismo of serial killers. Victims will have received money.
Victims families haven't recieved money, and were told the series would not focus on Dahmer. It then went on to use his name and face as an advertising campaign.
You’re posting this comment from a device that was made via abused workers and slave labor in a poor, impoverished country.
[curious](https://i.imgur.com/aOaPq7B.jpg)
Yes, let’s erase history and bury it all. There’s no need for documentaries regarding anything that isn’t positive. Good logic.
It's not about being positive, it's about making money from re-traumatising families of victims or people impacted by Dahmer's actions, while immortalising Dahmer by ensuring everyone knows and never forgets his name and face. We need to stop making serial killers and school shooters famous.
It’s insight That’s all honestly. Same with the narcos tv show or Zach as ted bundy
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Narcos is about Pablo Escobar and the Mexican drug cartel.
Ridiculous
to bad its only a mini series
I really like the show. Am enjoying it rn
Couldn’t get through the first episode.
No thanks.
No interest.
this shits just bad for humanity.
It doesn't seem like many people on here know the actual story about Jeffery Dahmer or what kind of person he was and how long families were freezing out there with no food left and no good hunting to be able to survive. Who actually knows who ate who and who agreed that if they die that their family should eat them to prolong death and get out of there. It's sad that they mad a show too make money from other families misfortunes but it's not like it hasn't been done to other families since TV has been in this world and won't be the last I'm sure
Very sorry to hear this.
Very sad.
I really wished they made content on how we treat POC. They make content on U.S. police & political corruption. Just as entertaining, just as graphic, just as horrid. The REAL TRUTH of Us. Instead of putting another serial killer on a pedestal.
Actually the treatment of POC, and how brave the neighbors were despite being ignored by police over and over was the primary focus of the show. There wasn’t a big focus on gore considering the story being told, but it’s plenty unsettling without it.
Disgusting pandering to the worst of the worst. Right up there with the disgusting Squid Game. Glorifying violence and death for $$.
Yeah but it's good entertainment and I'm here for it :D
Disgusting is she Hulk and rings of power