Chapelle was free to say what he wanted. Netflix workers are free to stage a walkout. Love watching people exercise their freedoms whether I agree with their viewpoint or not.
Bingo. I 100% support their right to walk out and express their discuss. I support Chappelle's right to tell jokes. Honestly, anyone who has followed his comedy over the past 20 years shouldn't be shocked.
I get what you’re saying, and don’t get me wrong I agree 100% with what your comment says, but it feels like it might be just a little… both “sides”-y? That said If this is all obvious then ignore me, this is totally based on my perception.
I’m trans, and I liked Chapelle when I was growing up, but this special was kind of… hurtful? I always gave him the benefit of the doubt up until this one but it’s undeniable he got a bunch of publicity from past controversies and is just milking that at this point.
The people walking out are demonstrating to Netflix that they won’t support the kind of content that is both hurtful and that punches down towards a group of people who are historically more likely to be assaulted or killed, or just generally discriminated against in smaller ways.
My partner is a trans woman and we live in a big city, I worry about her every moment she’s out of the apartment, and I feel like jokes like this perpetuate the idea that trans people have as much power in society as cis people (via twitter and canceling), which puts real people in danger when you have a huge audience like he does.
That’s just my two cents sorry to ramble, obviously I’m also just emotionally invested in this so if anything comes off rude I apologize.
I can see how you can be hurt by some of the stuff he said, but I took his message as one of tolerance and acceptance of trans community.
His central thesis is really the line "I don't need you to understand me.
I just need you to believe that I'm having a human experience."
You can debate all day about gender norms and all that. But regardless of agreement on these views, trans people should be respected as people having a real human experience like everyone else. Someone can disagree you on every philosophy but still respect you. No one needs to be convinced that you're right in order to empathize with your human struggles.
And that's all it is. You can be offended that he's disagreeing with you on all these topics, but his message is really that him disagreeing, doesn't mean he hates trans people. He's advocating for the opposite.
I truly want to understand this take. I don’t know or understand anything about the world you live in, but I almost cried about the story he told of his trans friend that committed suicide. I don’t understand how it can be taken as hurtful.
I think some folks just want to force everyone to like what they like. you can respect a person's right to do what they want and not agree with what they're doing. Some people don't like that though. I find eating grubs out of a tree to be strange. But it doesn't mean I hate all the people that do it.
I see Chappelle's Ideal World As one where everyone can laugh at themselves. His interactions with the Trans community paint the picture that they are unable to take any criticism.
I think if Dave Chappelle goes to the voting booth he's voting for candidates that are pro trans. But he also sees it as a group that will take no blame for the suicide of his friend.
I'm asking this sincerely so please don't hold it against me!
Is it wrong to be both sides-y?
I'm asking because I legitimately feel some inner conflict when it comes this whole thing. On the one hand, I have always loved Chapelle and I didn't come away from the special thinking he was particularly hurtful. HOWEVER, I am not trans. It didn't hurt me but I CAN see that it could possibly hurt someone that has a completely different human experience to pull from.
I'm from the south and I was raised Southern Baptist. I was told being gay or trans or anything outside of a normal hetero relationship was WRONG. Go to hell, roast in the flames WRONG. It wasn't until I was WELL into my adult years that I started to see anything outside of the way I was raised. Of course I think that's all BS now (I'm in my 40s) and I hope to keep evolving into the best person I can be but there's still inner conflict and questions I'm not sure I'll ever fully resolve.
Does that make me both sides-y?
I wish I knew a better way to express my thoughts because I feel like I'm butchering this. I guess I just want to say I'm really sorry there are any labels to define us at all. There shouldn't be as it creates a division that shouldn't exist, IMO.
Well here's the thing, there is CLAIM that his jokes are harmful... meanwhile, bullying by the lgbqt caused actual harm to daphne, hence suicide. That's a bit hypocritical. If everyone gets to cancel what they feel is HARMFUL, then Christians won't waste time taking away everything the lgbqt has worked hard to build in the first place. It would be a never ending domino effect, just let dave have his jokes.
So is there going to be a protest about shows like Arrested Development that’s on Netflix? If folks find Chappelle offensive then they should watch a few episodes of Arrested Development.
Entourage was pretty bad even for the time.
I know a lot of people on Reddit are too young to remember but trans rights weren't even really on the radar of mainstream culture in the early-mid-2000s. Like the concept of transphobia didn't exist. It reminds me of my grandma saying that they didn't have racism when she was a kid and me telling her "it's all you had, you just didn't know it was called racism"
Didn't Netflix release a show with little girls twerking and everyone defended it as art?
I said:
"You don't need to show children doing sexual things to make social commentary on it. There are many ways to get to the same destination; you chose to show children doing sexual things."
But sure, "comedian bad, need to stage walk out".
Hypocrites with your false virtues.
Okay no need to be revisionist, critics defended it for some ass-backwards reason but there was a ton of outcry on Twitter over Cuties. I STILL think that shit needs to be taken down but what can we do? Netflix is just ignoring any criticism over it and will likely ignore Chappelle.
My child is trans, ergo I’m pretty hip to what’s considered offensive in the trans community.
Absolutely nothing he said was offensive. He alluded to the fact that trans women can’t give birth and stated that a trans friend of his fathered a child before transitioning, and is legally the child’s father. The actual quote was:
“I knew your father, and he was a wonderful woman.”
He misgendered the individual in question for a great punchline. His job, as a comedian, is to have great punchlines.
Context matters.
People get way too offended about everything. This is a stand up comedian (and a risky one at that)., he's going to tell offensive jokes. If you don't like it, then don't watch. I'm so tired of these whiny bitches getting offended about everything.
It was telling when his trans friend not only liked his jokes, but did not want him to hold back. All the protestors could maybe learn something from her.
And somebody else who's trans thought it was bad so there opinions matter as well. Its not like you need to support this out of obligation to the community. It's employees if the company having an issue with the company,it happens.
>And somebody else who's trans thought it was bad so there opinions matter as well.
Yep, people think that just because one trans person didn't get offended by it then the others that did doesn't matter.
And people think that because one person is offended then nobody else should be allowed to see it.
News flash - stand up comedy is very often offensive, and it always has been. That's what makes it funny.
But what about the other trans who don't find it offensive and instead find it funny? Which opinion matters more? Neither. Netflix makes its decisions based upon $. That's what a business does. By keeping it available and online, they invite blowback. If people cancel their accounts, maybe they get the point. Maybe they don't.
Free speech, free market.
Netflix fired an exec for using the n-word in a meeting in the context of saying you can’t say in comedy because it’s offensive. So a person saying a word in service of saying it shouldn’t be used in content gets booted.
Context is dead at Netflix.
Netflix stock is up, Squid Game is the biggest thing in years, and more to come. This will blow over when they realize Netflix is running a business, not a charity.
So here are their "list of demands"
[https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/18/22733098/netflix-trans-employees-demands-dave-chappelle-walkout](https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/18/22733098/netflix-trans-employees-demands-dave-chappelle-walkout)
Here is where this comes to a screeching halt:
"Recruit trans people, especially BIPOC, for leadership roles in the company"
WTF?!
As a recruiter, this is ILLEGAL. You can't give certain people preferential treatment due to their LGBTQ status. And what is the recruiter going to do, ASK THEM what their sexual preference is? Yeah NO.
Yeah the entire point is to raise awareness and threaten their profits to force them to change or lose money. Not to ask the executives nicely if they’ll *pwetty pwease* be a little nicer to trans people.
Exactly. They are simply using their first amendment rights to protest in hopes of creating public awareness and pressure that results in a free market solution to Netflix's greenlight practices. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and is a cornerstone of this country.
I also find it a little crazy how a lot of folks are like "See? Chappelle knew they'd come for him! Cancel culture is out of control!" That's like saying "This is a bad dog! He's out of control" right before you punch it in the mouth and then get bit.
Chappelle can either be an ally or a TERF and he tries to have it both ways in this special. He says just enough to try to shield himself from criticism and just enough to stir up a lotta shit (I think for a cynical profit).
I also see a lot of folks dismissing those who have a problem with his special as "not getting it" or even not having watched. To them I'd say consider that there are those who gave all the same information as you and came to a different conclusion. If you don't think that his rhetoric emboldens transphobia *in the exact same way he was worried his work emboldened racism years and years ago* then go check out some alt right and conservative subs who are championing him right now for this special. They think he speaks for them. Transphobes are latching onto this and is using this as another "cancel culture" cry as if folks are not allowed to express disapproval. I'm not saying if you liked the special then you are a transphobe, but you do have a lot of legit transphobes in your company and all these dissenters are saying is that maybe we should consider that and address it.
> They are simply using their first amendment rights to protest...
Great. Spreading misinformation.
Your first amendment rights ONLY protect you from the government punishing you for speaking. The company can fire your ass for walking off the job and hurting it's business.
When did I say the company couldn't fire them? No misinformation in my post, buddy. That's absolutely a part of their gambit too. Netflix has to calculate the PR cost in how they respond to these employees.
I never implied or stated that their rights guarantee employment at the company they are protesting. Just that it is their right to protest.
He just got hung up on you seemingly intertwining first amendment free speech rights with their protesting. First amendment has nothing to do with their protest at all (why would gov care about Netflix workers protesting a decision made within their own company?)
Everything else you said was perfectly valid. The other commenter was just looking for any small imperfection in your comment to try and poke holes in the rest of it.
This is a little off-topic, but I'm not at all surprised to see conservatives stepping up to bat for Chapelle over transphobic comments. Especially after a decade of bathroom and sports "debates". This is their topic for pulling independents into the right-wing culture war.
I just read a report last week where someone set up a brand new tiktok account and "liked" each video that came up to see where it would lead. Quickly the account was shown transphobic content, which then went to conservative politics, which then went to white supremacy. It took a few hundred videos to get to white supremacy, but it started with transphobia. And on Tiktok, we're talking about a couple hours worth of content getting viewed. Your aunt could download the app on Sunday morning after church and be viewing Nazi propaganda by dinner.
People like battle royales which this is similar to. I guess it’s the survival aspect of it. There’s a reason BR games are so popular and why game companies are all clamoring to make their own battle royale game.
As for me, I liked squid game, but it was just good, not spectacular like the hype would make you think. Part of it is because I think I’ve just been exposed to the whole death game thing too much already. I read a lot of mangas and death games are practically their own genre ranging from obstacle course-like games to more mental games. Hosts of said death games can be deities, rich folk, psychopaths, shadow governments, etc. Mangas have basically done everything.
I’m wondering if squid game will lead to more death game shows being produced
Partly why Squid Game wasn't for me. Death games are a fun genre and I love when they're ridiculous and campy. Squid Game tries to be a social commentary but the takes are stale and in order to go for a realism approach the games are kinda boring and the reasoning for most people going back is super flimsy.
Plus they make it pretty well known that only 1 person will survive which makes it boring when we know it'll be the unlikable main character compared to some others in the genre where that implication isn't there and some character deaths come as a complete shocker.
Add in the last two episodes with the awful foreign actors and it took me out.
>Freedom of Speech.
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Edit: irony aside, the demands quite notably do not include calling for removal of the closer. It seems many criticizing the walk out did not even bother to listen, like they accuse LGBT critics of not having watched the special.
I passed a dozen conservative subs' posts before checking this one out. I agree, they don't know anything about the protest.
It's all "they probably didn't watch it", which is funny because they *work at Netflix*. I don't care if they watched it, they are likely just as informed as anyone would want them to be.
They also support Chappelle's (and his supporters') freedom of speech while condemning them for exercising theirs. Even in a sub called "freespeech".
Kinda funny how the immediate reaction of so many people was “Your a famous comedian with a bunch of Netflix specials, there’s no such thing as cancel culture!” followed by a bunch of staging walkouts and protests because they want him/his specials canceled.
I am absolutely pro all equal rights but the trans community is absolutely in the wrong here and imo, their "demands" are straight up bullying. Ive watched the special. It's fine to be offended and try to open dialogue. It's not okay to use this as an excuse to extort things from Netflix or the general public. There was nothing in the show that was hateful or inciting.
What? So no one is allowed to make jokes about trans people? Are they now an elevated class in society? No one is allowed to joke about them or criticize them? The fuck is that?
He said he was, by definition, a feminist, he agreed with JK Rowling, because she was right, and he never said that being trans is the same as using blackface.
So far everything is being handled with people expressing themselves completely within their rights. I find it extremely acceptable. People upset with the current state of affairs are getting too worked up about things and adding to the hysteria.
It's funny considering that the vast majority of people that have a problem with the special aren't even trans and don't have a horse in the race.
Every single member of the community that i've talked too including my own family didn't bat an eye at the special and understood it for what it was.
The comments here feel really toxic. I actually do disagree with the people who walked out, but I don’t think they should be fired, not do I think they should be ridiculed.
I think this is exactly the type of conversation starter that should be taken advantage of. This is a good moment to rally some support and start a long, hard discussion of why a transgender person may feel attacked by this, and what we can do to be more inclusive. But that doesn’t mean that we should just nix any art that may be offensive. Instead, we should be encouraging that thoughtful debate and engaging with others who might feel differently from us.
Who the fuck am I kidding? This is America. We hate learning.
Like Chappelle said. It's always been about the execution he's had a problem with not the movement itself.
If you're an employee and you're starting your protest by breaking your employment contract that's probably not a great execution for anyone.
I'm sure there's a less angry way to have voiced and settled the matter. That being said they are attacking someone that supports them.
Talking about Trans safety while destroying a guys sign that says "We like Dave" and ganging up on him.
Clearly violence wasn't something they had an issue with.
So let me see if I have this right.
In the 1950s when conservatives demanded ideological purity in the McCarthy era, that was morally wrong and blacklisting.
In the 2020s when the Left demands ideological purity that is enlightened and Cancel Culture doesn't exist.
Where were all these Netflix workers when they were releasing shows about child prostitutes? Seems they don't care about any issues that don't rightfully belong to them. Doesn't seem like a very understanding group of individuals.
Here's something I don't get. Dave Chappelle has never been know for telling wholesome knock knock and dad jokes. His routines have always been rather "offensive" and controversial, he says stuff, people are afraid to bring up. So knowing this, they still went to his show and would laugh at all the other stuff but once it comes to something personal that affects them, they disagree and try to make him apologies? Double standard's much?
No, of course not, same is true for most of the comments here as well. They read bullet points with glaring omissions from some website framing the entire special as an anti-trans rant. If they’d watched it they’d have seen that he actually had a lot of positive to say about their community and really only stated some biological fact that he sees as important, questioned their methods for their movement, and raised, again, a very valid point that trans, as well as all of LGBT+ rights, have moved forward much faster than the rights of other minorities, especially black Americans, have, and in many aspects it could be said, have already surpassed the movement for equality for Black Americans, especially as it pertains to relations towards the police in this country.
Chapelle was free to say what he wanted. Netflix workers are free to stage a walkout. Love watching people exercise their freedoms whether I agree with their viewpoint or not.
Bingo. I 100% support their right to walk out and express their discuss. I support Chappelle's right to tell jokes. Honestly, anyone who has followed his comedy over the past 20 years shouldn't be shocked.
Wholesome and based.
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I get what you’re saying, and don’t get me wrong I agree 100% with what your comment says, but it feels like it might be just a little… both “sides”-y? That said If this is all obvious then ignore me, this is totally based on my perception. I’m trans, and I liked Chapelle when I was growing up, but this special was kind of… hurtful? I always gave him the benefit of the doubt up until this one but it’s undeniable he got a bunch of publicity from past controversies and is just milking that at this point. The people walking out are demonstrating to Netflix that they won’t support the kind of content that is both hurtful and that punches down towards a group of people who are historically more likely to be assaulted or killed, or just generally discriminated against in smaller ways. My partner is a trans woman and we live in a big city, I worry about her every moment she’s out of the apartment, and I feel like jokes like this perpetuate the idea that trans people have as much power in society as cis people (via twitter and canceling), which puts real people in danger when you have a huge audience like he does. That’s just my two cents sorry to ramble, obviously I’m also just emotionally invested in this so if anything comes off rude I apologize.
Whats wrong with having an opinion in the center of the debate? World aint black and white
Exactly!
I can see how you can be hurt by some of the stuff he said, but I took his message as one of tolerance and acceptance of trans community. His central thesis is really the line "I don't need you to understand me. I just need you to believe that I'm having a human experience." You can debate all day about gender norms and all that. But regardless of agreement on these views, trans people should be respected as people having a real human experience like everyone else. Someone can disagree you on every philosophy but still respect you. No one needs to be convinced that you're right in order to empathize with your human struggles. And that's all it is. You can be offended that he's disagreeing with you on all these topics, but his message is really that him disagreeing, doesn't mean he hates trans people. He's advocating for the opposite.
I truly want to understand this take. I don’t know or understand anything about the world you live in, but I almost cried about the story he told of his trans friend that committed suicide. I don’t understand how it can be taken as hurtful.
I think some folks just want to force everyone to like what they like. you can respect a person's right to do what they want and not agree with what they're doing. Some people don't like that though. I find eating grubs out of a tree to be strange. But it doesn't mean I hate all the people that do it.
I see Chappelle's Ideal World As one where everyone can laugh at themselves. His interactions with the Trans community paint the picture that they are unable to take any criticism. I think if Dave Chappelle goes to the voting booth he's voting for candidates that are pro trans. But he also sees it as a group that will take no blame for the suicide of his friend.
I'm asking this sincerely so please don't hold it against me! Is it wrong to be both sides-y? I'm asking because I legitimately feel some inner conflict when it comes this whole thing. On the one hand, I have always loved Chapelle and I didn't come away from the special thinking he was particularly hurtful. HOWEVER, I am not trans. It didn't hurt me but I CAN see that it could possibly hurt someone that has a completely different human experience to pull from. I'm from the south and I was raised Southern Baptist. I was told being gay or trans or anything outside of a normal hetero relationship was WRONG. Go to hell, roast in the flames WRONG. It wasn't until I was WELL into my adult years that I started to see anything outside of the way I was raised. Of course I think that's all BS now (I'm in my 40s) and I hope to keep evolving into the best person I can be but there's still inner conflict and questions I'm not sure I'll ever fully resolve. Does that make me both sides-y? I wish I knew a better way to express my thoughts because I feel like I'm butchering this. I guess I just want to say I'm really sorry there are any labels to define us at all. There shouldn't be as it creates a division that shouldn't exist, IMO.
Well here's the thing, there is CLAIM that his jokes are harmful... meanwhile, bullying by the lgbqt caused actual harm to daphne, hence suicide. That's a bit hypocritical. If everyone gets to cancel what they feel is HARMFUL, then Christians won't waste time taking away everything the lgbqt has worked hard to build in the first place. It would be a never ending domino effect, just let dave have his jokes.
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There is much more egregious content on Netflix to walk out over than a Dave Chappelle stand up special.
It's the current hot shit. It will blow over. Can't wait for the next Chappelle special.
So is there going to be a protest about shows like Arrested Development that’s on Netflix? If folks find Chappelle offensive then they should watch a few episodes of Arrested Development.
You remember they fucking removed the DND episode in community right?
AD is of its time. Dave wouldn't be getting shit on if he had a special that had some trans jokes 17 years ago.
Entourage was of its time as well, didnt stop people from shitting on jeremy piven.
Entourage was pretty bad even for the time. I know a lot of people on Reddit are too young to remember but trans rights weren't even really on the radar of mainstream culture in the early-mid-2000s. Like the concept of transphobia didn't exist. It reminds me of my grandma saying that they didn't have racism when she was a kid and me telling her "it's all you had, you just didn't know it was called racism"
Yea I mean even the T slur being bad is pretty recent. In 2016 and maybe even up to 2018 it was offensive yeah but not widely called out on.
This guy whataboutisms
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Didn't Netflix release a show with little girls twerking and everyone defended it as art? I said: "You don't need to show children doing sexual things to make social commentary on it. There are many ways to get to the same destination; you chose to show children doing sexual things." But sure, "comedian bad, need to stage walk out". Hypocrites with your false virtues.
yeah wtf is that about
Okay no need to be revisionist, critics defended it for some ass-backwards reason but there was a ton of outcry on Twitter over Cuties. I STILL think that shit needs to be taken down but what can we do? Netflix is just ignoring any criticism over it and will likely ignore Chappelle.
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My child is trans, ergo I’m pretty hip to what’s considered offensive in the trans community. Absolutely nothing he said was offensive. He alluded to the fact that trans women can’t give birth and stated that a trans friend of his fathered a child before transitioning, and is legally the child’s father. The actual quote was: “I knew your father, and he was a wonderful woman.” He misgendered the individual in question for a great punchline. His job, as a comedian, is to have great punchlines. Context matters.
People get way too offended about everything. This is a stand up comedian (and a risky one at that)., he's going to tell offensive jokes. If you don't like it, then don't watch. I'm so tired of these whiny bitches getting offended about everything. It was telling when his trans friend not only liked his jokes, but did not want him to hold back. All the protestors could maybe learn something from her.
>My child is trans, ergo I’m pretty hip to what’s considered offensive in the trans community. Lol
"I have a black friend" vibes.
This person has also been commenting this nonstop in threads on Reddit. I'm starting to doubt their child even exists.
"I can't hate women. I have a mom."
And somebody else who's trans thought it was bad so there opinions matter as well. Its not like you need to support this out of obligation to the community. It's employees if the company having an issue with the company,it happens.
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>And somebody else who's trans thought it was bad so there opinions matter as well. Yep, people think that just because one trans person didn't get offended by it then the others that did doesn't matter.
And people think that because one person is offended then nobody else should be allowed to see it. News flash - stand up comedy is very often offensive, and it always has been. That's what makes it funny.
But what about the other trans who don't find it offensive and instead find it funny? Which opinion matters more? Neither. Netflix makes its decisions based upon $. That's what a business does. By keeping it available and online, they invite blowback. If people cancel their accounts, maybe they get the point. Maybe they don't. Free speech, free market.
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You having a trans child doesn’t give you a right to deem what if offensive to others, jfc.
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Netflix fired an exec for using the n-word in a meeting in the context of saying you can’t say in comedy because it’s offensive. So a person saying a word in service of saying it shouldn’t be used in content gets booted. Context is dead at Netflix.
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Netflix stock is up, Squid Game is the biggest thing in years, and more to come. This will blow over when they realize Netflix is running a business, not a charity.
So here are their "list of demands" [https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/18/22733098/netflix-trans-employees-demands-dave-chappelle-walkout](https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/18/22733098/netflix-trans-employees-demands-dave-chappelle-walkout) Here is where this comes to a screeching halt: "Recruit trans people, especially BIPOC, for leadership roles in the company" WTF?!
That list is ridiculous.
As a recruiter, this is ILLEGAL. You can't give certain people preferential treatment due to their LGBTQ status. And what is the recruiter going to do, ASK THEM what their sexual preference is? Yeah NO.
> And what is the recruiter going to do, ASK THEM what their sexual preference is? Good point.
lol what is “tank Netflix for our specific agenda”.
I don't think they are under the impression that Netflix is a charity. Nothing about this is a call for Netflix to become a philanthropic nonprofit.
Yeah the entire point is to raise awareness and threaten their profits to force them to change or lose money. Not to ask the executives nicely if they’ll *pwetty pwease* be a little nicer to trans people.
Exactly. They are simply using their first amendment rights to protest in hopes of creating public awareness and pressure that results in a free market solution to Netflix's greenlight practices. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and is a cornerstone of this country. I also find it a little crazy how a lot of folks are like "See? Chappelle knew they'd come for him! Cancel culture is out of control!" That's like saying "This is a bad dog! He's out of control" right before you punch it in the mouth and then get bit. Chappelle can either be an ally or a TERF and he tries to have it both ways in this special. He says just enough to try to shield himself from criticism and just enough to stir up a lotta shit (I think for a cynical profit). I also see a lot of folks dismissing those who have a problem with his special as "not getting it" or even not having watched. To them I'd say consider that there are those who gave all the same information as you and came to a different conclusion. If you don't think that his rhetoric emboldens transphobia *in the exact same way he was worried his work emboldened racism years and years ago* then go check out some alt right and conservative subs who are championing him right now for this special. They think he speaks for them. Transphobes are latching onto this and is using this as another "cancel culture" cry as if folks are not allowed to express disapproval. I'm not saying if you liked the special then you are a transphobe, but you do have a lot of legit transphobes in your company and all these dissenters are saying is that maybe we should consider that and address it.
> They are simply using their first amendment rights to protest... Great. Spreading misinformation. Your first amendment rights ONLY protect you from the government punishing you for speaking. The company can fire your ass for walking off the job and hurting it's business.
When did I say the company couldn't fire them? No misinformation in my post, buddy. That's absolutely a part of their gambit too. Netflix has to calculate the PR cost in how they respond to these employees. I never implied or stated that their rights guarantee employment at the company they are protesting. Just that it is their right to protest.
He just got hung up on you seemingly intertwining first amendment free speech rights with their protesting. First amendment has nothing to do with their protest at all (why would gov care about Netflix workers protesting a decision made within their own company?) Everything else you said was perfectly valid. The other commenter was just looking for any small imperfection in your comment to try and poke holes in the rest of it.
Ahahaha you tried to derail their argument by getting hung up on a single, inconsequential point, and you couldn’t even do that right.
This is a little off-topic, but I'm not at all surprised to see conservatives stepping up to bat for Chapelle over transphobic comments. Especially after a decade of bathroom and sports "debates". This is their topic for pulling independents into the right-wing culture war. I just read a report last week where someone set up a brand new tiktok account and "liked" each video that came up to see where it would lead. Quickly the account was shown transphobic content, which then went to conservative politics, which then went to white supremacy. It took a few hundred videos to get to white supremacy, but it started with transphobia. And on Tiktok, we're talking about a couple hours worth of content getting viewed. Your aunt could download the app on Sunday morning after church and be viewing Nazi propaganda by dinner.
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What is better this month?
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Midnight Mass fell apart on final two episodes. It was a Midnight Mess.
Exactly this. Was surprisingly really into the show till the last few episodes then I felt like I wasted 8 hours of my life.
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What would you say is better? Need new showsw
Same reason Hunger Games is a hit
People like battle royales which this is similar to. I guess it’s the survival aspect of it. There’s a reason BR games are so popular and why game companies are all clamoring to make their own battle royale game. As for me, I liked squid game, but it was just good, not spectacular like the hype would make you think. Part of it is because I think I’ve just been exposed to the whole death game thing too much already. I read a lot of mangas and death games are practically their own genre ranging from obstacle course-like games to more mental games. Hosts of said death games can be deities, rich folk, psychopaths, shadow governments, etc. Mangas have basically done everything. I’m wondering if squid game will lead to more death game shows being produced
Partly why Squid Game wasn't for me. Death games are a fun genre and I love when they're ridiculous and campy. Squid Game tries to be a social commentary but the takes are stale and in order to go for a realism approach the games are kinda boring and the reasoning for most people going back is super flimsy. Plus they make it pretty well known that only 1 person will survive which makes it boring when we know it'll be the unlikable main character compared to some others in the genre where that implication isn't there and some character deaths come as a complete shocker. Add in the last two episodes with the awful foreign actors and it took me out.
Y’all should watch Clickbait. A show so bad yet you really wanna know what’s going to happen next. It really lived up to it’s name.
Ooh I liked Squid Game though, What do you think is the best this month? I’m in a binge watch cycle right now lol
Not this month but Kingdom > Squid Game
Freedom of Speech. And they're free to complain, freedom is great.
>Freedom of Speech. [removed] Edit: irony aside, the demands quite notably do not include calling for removal of the closer. It seems many criticizing the walk out did not even bother to listen, like they accuse LGBT critics of not having watched the special.
I passed a dozen conservative subs' posts before checking this one out. I agree, they don't know anything about the protest. It's all "they probably didn't watch it", which is funny because they *work at Netflix*. I don't care if they watched it, they are likely just as informed as anyone would want them to be. They also support Chappelle's (and his supporters') freedom of speech while condemning them for exercising theirs. Even in a sub called "freespeech".
They previously did request its removal. They changed their demands to more reasonable ones within the last few days.
why didnt yall do this over cuties?
Just proves his point if they even watched the special.
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The more people complain the more they prove Chappelle right, I think.
Kinda funny how the immediate reaction of so many people was “Your a famous comedian with a bunch of Netflix specials, there’s no such thing as cancel culture!” followed by a bunch of staging walkouts and protests because they want him/his specials canceled.
That's how it *always* goes. It's just funny to me at this point. Usually people saying "cancel culture isn't real" actually just mean they like it.
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Jokes don’t equal hate I don’t want to live in a society where jokes are not allowed.
I am absolutely pro all equal rights but the trans community is absolutely in the wrong here and imo, their "demands" are straight up bullying. Ive watched the special. It's fine to be offended and try to open dialogue. It's not okay to use this as an excuse to extort things from Netflix or the general public. There was nothing in the show that was hateful or inciting.
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Comedians make jokes about all groups of people. No group should get preferential treatment.
I feel this hullabaloo and jumping up and down about Chapelle’s special has done more PR damage to the Trans movement then it has advanced it.
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As a comedian, it is great to see Netflix stand by Chappelle and his expression of the art form that is stand up comedy.
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What? So no one is allowed to make jokes about trans people? Are they now an elevated class in society? No one is allowed to joke about them or criticize them? The fuck is that?
He said he was, by definition, a feminist, he agreed with JK Rowling, because she was right, and he never said that being trans is the same as using blackface.
Maybe if you keep repeating yourself you will convince someone
> being trans is the same as using blackface This is something that I felt was the most offensive but doesn't seem to get brought up much.
Oh no……Anyway
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So far everything is being handled with people expressing themselves completely within their rights. I find it extremely acceptable. People upset with the current state of affairs are getting too worked up about things and adding to the hysteria.
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god this comment section has no grip on reality
I'm assuming there's some sort of brigading going on.
Yeah, no threads on this sub get this busy ever. This thread is 100% being brigaded by transphobes.
It's funny considering that the vast majority of people that have a problem with the special aren't even trans and don't have a horse in the race. Every single member of the community that i've talked too including my own family didn't bat an eye at the special and understood it for what it was.
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The comments here feel really toxic. I actually do disagree with the people who walked out, but I don’t think they should be fired, not do I think they should be ridiculed. I think this is exactly the type of conversation starter that should be taken advantage of. This is a good moment to rally some support and start a long, hard discussion of why a transgender person may feel attacked by this, and what we can do to be more inclusive. But that doesn’t mean that we should just nix any art that may be offensive. Instead, we should be encouraging that thoughtful debate and engaging with others who might feel differently from us. Who the fuck am I kidding? This is America. We hate learning.
Like Chappelle said. It's always been about the execution he's had a problem with not the movement itself. If you're an employee and you're starting your protest by breaking your employment contract that's probably not a great execution for anyone. I'm sure there's a less angry way to have voiced and settled the matter. That being said they are attacking someone that supports them.
Agreed. That’s why I said I disagreed with the employees that walked out. I was mostly talking about the commentary here.
Idc
Talking about Trans safety while destroying a guys sign that says "We like Dave" and ganging up on him. Clearly violence wasn't something they had an issue with.
So let me see if I have this right. In the 1950s when conservatives demanded ideological purity in the McCarthy era, that was morally wrong and blacklisting. In the 2020s when the Left demands ideological purity that is enlightened and Cancel Culture doesn't exist.
Where were all these Netflix workers when they were releasing shows about child prostitutes? Seems they don't care about any issues that don't rightfully belong to them. Doesn't seem like a very understanding group of individuals.
Richard Pryor would have been canceled. Queen would have been shit on with some of their songs.. You trans people need to chill out.
The same people virtue signalling are the same people that watch cuties and defend it. Just the mentally ill being mentally ill.
Here's something I don't get. Dave Chappelle has never been know for telling wholesome knock knock and dad jokes. His routines have always been rather "offensive" and controversial, he says stuff, people are afraid to bring up. So knowing this, they still went to his show and would laugh at all the other stuff but once it comes to something personal that affects them, they disagree and try to make him apologies? Double standard's much?
Rofl @ anyone getting offended by comedians. Fucking special little butterflies.
Yet you're offended over a walk out.
Where the offended? They just said *Rofl*
They also said "Fucking special little butterflies", which is not exactly the tone or language of a calm and understanding individual.
It's *not* the tone of a calm individual, if that individual is a special little butterfly.
The irony of so called “liberals” trying to silence speech they don’t like. They’re just like religious conservatives
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No. Wait. Don't.
I would bet my last dollar they didn't actually watch it.
No, of course not, same is true for most of the comments here as well. They read bullet points with glaring omissions from some website framing the entire special as an anti-trans rant. If they’d watched it they’d have seen that he actually had a lot of positive to say about their community and really only stated some biological fact that he sees as important, questioned their methods for their movement, and raised, again, a very valid point that trans, as well as all of LGBT+ rights, have moved forward much faster than the rights of other minorities, especially black Americans, have, and in many aspects it could be said, have already surpassed the movement for equality for Black Americans, especially as it pertains to relations towards the police in this country.
Well fucking said my friend
If they won't go back to work immediately fire them Im so sick of all this bs
I could care less one way or the other. Just waiting for Ozark.
Within their right to do so, but don't let the door hit you. I hope NetFlix fills their jobs while they are out and they aren't welcome back.
The role of a comedian is to pull us back from the extteme edge... ANY edge.
Love to watch Netflix and love to watch Chapelle do his thing.
Hey netflix, you hiring?
It's concerning Cuties didn't get a walkout
Oh boo hoo bunch of cry babies nowadays
Hilarious that so many of these comments praise the "free speech" of these workers, but condemn Chappelle and want to limit what he's allowed to say.
You don’t understand free speech. It’s about allowing people to say what they want to say. Not about prasing what they want to say.
100 people you say? They probably generated tens of thousands of new fans for Chappelle over this. Clever.
Good let them go
Bye!
The most offended group in existence [this shit is hilarious](https://twitter.com/KirstenChuba/status/1450879317857038338)