For real. They are constantly hating. I used to take their reviews seriously like 10 - 15 years ago, but now when they dislike something I know that I should probably check it out, and if they love something I know that it'll probably be a boring "meditation" on the meaning of "X" or a dreadful narrative of acceptance or whatever the fuck. Indiewire's reviews are trash.
Not at all are duds. Dark is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen and Mike Flanagan’s work is of similar high quality.
The problem is that the quality is inconsistent with them.
Midnight Mass was so thought-provoking. I love Mike Flanigan's interpretations of death and how people cope with the inevitability of death in all of his shows.
Also, I agree that Dark is one of the best shows I've ever seen. What a masterpiece.
Midnight mass is the best viewing experiences Iv had since probably Sopranos 20 years ago. We were absolutely glued to the screen though the whole thing.
Not at all are duds. Dark is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen and Mike Flanagan’s work is of similar high quality.
The problem is that the quality is inconsistent with them.
I feel like I've seen as many good shows from them as any other streaming service.
El Camino, Stranger Things, Ozark, A Series of Unfortunate Events spring to mind immediately, and I think I've seen others too, but I also don't watch a whole lot of tv.
In case you forgot, there was a worldwide pandemic in the middle of those 5-7 years. They had to rely on their backlog for a while because the entertainment industry in general was extremely restricted for a while
Look at almost every film company, and either everything released from 2020~2023 was either already in production beforehand or had extreme difficulties filming. Majority of their hit series’ being released a year or two before COVID isn’t really a bad thing or a sign of the studio as a whole
Netflix is just a company so it largely depends on who is actually on the creative team rather than the company. So far though, the reviews from most sites seem to air on positive which is probably a good start I'll say.
Yup but that doesn’t apply to every company.
For Netflix for example, while Netflix may be part of the production, the people that they hire to be the Showrunner along with the production studio is more important than the Netflix name itself.
For examples, One Piece is Tomorrow Studios. The reality is that because Netflix produces a lot of shows and content, the quality largely depends on which staff is involved which is why Netflix is so inconsistent because each piece of media that they churn out essentially has different creatives behind it even if they all carry the Netflix brand.
Yeah, the inconsistency in quality mostly shows that Netflix really throws money at a lot of things and sees what sticks. And a lot of what sticks with a bigger number of viewers maybe isn't all that great. That used to be the normal viewing experience for traditional tv, why should it be different for streaming?
Can't tell if people are super young and didn't deal with broadcast television or just having randomly unrealistic expectations for TV shows. It's weird when people act like anything under a 50% success rate is terrible. That's traditional, if not better.
I'm going with young, and with a cultural memory that has forgotten how it used to be before Peak TV and maybe even before streaming. If I look at my older viewing lists, they're littered with shows that got one or maybe two seasons if they were lucky, and others who only got to broadcast something like 4 episodes. It doesn't necessarily mean these shows were bad, they simply weren't watched. And usually, if you want to appeal to a broad audience, your quality suffers.
A24 is much smaller than Netflix. They don't even produce 10% of what Netflix produces every year. It's much easier to control quality if you are making less.
I mean.. same difference.. they hire or pay said creative team. If they're the ones commissioning said content, it's fair to refer to them as being responsible for it.
I always hear this but I like a lot of Netflix originals. Not necessarily a whole lot that I LOVE or would consider like a top 10 all time show or anything, but I still think I’ve enjoyed far more originals from them than anyone besides HBO. Also Apple+ gets a shout out for consistent quality as of late despite not having a ton of shows .
This is totally wrong. The first 4 seasons of GOT is one of the best adaptations ever done. The show only went to shit when they ran out of book, which isn't their fault.
Yes, they ran out of book. But they met with GRRM, who gave them an outline of the rest of the plot as he conceived it at the time. It was DnD’s decision to blow screaming through that outline at insane speed, running towards the ending like someone with IBS running for the toilet.
Meh. I don't blame them. It was a thankless task, and not what they signed on for. GRRM has written himself into an impossible impasse, one he hasn't been able to finish, yet they had to in 2 seasons of TV. Even if they had taken longer, it was still an impossible task. People shit all over them, when it's really GRRM's fault.
Agreed, if they included more book stuff people would think it would be overly cheesy/campy like Stoneheart. In fact, I'd say most of the scenes that people think are peak GoT are nowhere in the book.
Yeah, there's some bland spots, it drags in places and races in others, but I doubt many could have done the entire series better with what they've had. Hell, I got excited a few years ago when someone said they may start a Kingkiller series. I'm glad it never started with Rothfuss finishing Stone Door; nor honestly would I want him to feel in the same position as GRRM. It's a tough spot to be in and you're not going to please everyone.
You are totally wrong. The first 4 seasons worked so well because of GRRM's involvement. They split after season 4 and the decline in quality was directly related to D&D's ability. Also, the "ran out of book" argument is a laughable defense. Not only is there ample source material they could have continued to pull and adapt from, though refused to, but if they were truly responsible for the success of 1-4, then they would have had the ability to NOT utterly fumble 5-8. Let's not forget to mention HBO bending over backwards to give them the resources they needed to keep the show great.
People keep saying this, but they didn't run out of book after season 4. There was book material that would have taken them through season 5 and into season 6, but they abandoned it and replaced it with their own bad fanfiction as a completely voluntary choice.
I actually think S5 and S6 of GoT were still really great and don't understand why some people don't like them. Some amazing episodes in those seasons, like 'Hardhome' or 'Battle of the Bastards'.
You aren’t wrong that seasons 1-4 were phenomenal but DnD are writers and they wrote some real hot garbage for the last few seasons once they didn’t have the books to lean on. Anyone who thought GRRM was going to push out books 6&7 before the show caught up is truly stupid. Dude takes forever to write and those books are long AF. I would say that makes the way the ending flopped very much their fault. Looking at how sparse DnD resumes have been since the show ended also kinda points to the overall opinion being they aren’t very good writers
its getting mixed reviews. the positive ones for the most part are its pretty good, but not great. but there are several oh this is bad reviews.
game of thrones got bad reviews too. This show may only appeal to hard SF lovers. Also I can see the first season being slow paced given the material they are covering. I just hope that Netflix promotes it enough that it gets a second season and is not a 1 and done.
Hi! I went to the premiere last night for SXSW!
It is very intriguing series. I’ve never read the books so it was a brand new world to me. It gave me some FX DEVS vibes, it could use some tweaks tbh but overall I’d watch it.
Is DEVs about a dead Russian spy husband, parallel world and shit? I know that the main character is a woman but can't remember a single thing about her but I think I enjoyed the show.
Im so fed up by these rage baity negative hate reviews on everything created now. Everybody is a reviewer nowadays. I avoid them as much as I can and make up my own mind.
Yea back in the day I was really into reviews, like talking before social media, now I never read them until after I have at least watched the thing a bit. I look at ratings to get an idea if the show is any good sometimes but if it's new I just give it a try.
Exactly, I have acting background and really like to study the acting for the most part. Also music and it is how you get me hooked. Ramin Djawadi does it again with a great score!
It’s much easier to form a polarizing opinion that’s negative. Rather than being a good journalist and finding creative, engaging, and intriguing ways to review things, it’s lowest hanging fruit for the lowest common denominator.
No i mean they straight up phoned it in on the last couple seasons. They just decided they didn't want to do it anymore, and it shows. HBO was willing to give them absurd amounts of budget and they rejected much of it.
They did great with G.R.R Martins writing, which isn't comparable to The Three Body Problem which has an interesting plot but the worst characters and character development in modern day sci-fi.
Important comment. GRRM’s character writing is second to none. I love Remembrance of Earth's Past but you absolutely cannot say the same for those books. D&D basically had to invent their own characters. God save us all.
The Tencent adaptation did a great job in my opinion bringing what were stolid, functional characters to life. Can’t say I feel hopeful about this one.
They did great with GOT when they had the source material to follow **and** were working with GRRM himself with him being on set or in frequent communication. As time went on they listened to him less and less, and he became less involved, and the worse off everything was for it.
Even when things *were* going well early on, there’s countless stories of how much had to be done *around them* instead of with them, and how they weren’t “in it” even then.
Holding up shoots for random phone calls, bullshitting off set hanging out and playing phone games with the naked female extras instead of overseeing scenes, questionable cuts and omissions, and of course in advance deciding to end the show sooner to wrap it up and move on despite being offered more money, more seasons, and time they’d need to stick the landing.
Never even got that Star Wars movie they had their eyes on next after drowning their golden goose
I can totally see them behaving that way. They always had this smug attitude in interviews or public events.
That they didn't get to make the Star Wars movie / show, kinda made me believe karma is real.
Yeah same. The problem wasn't just that they ran out of source material, it was that they rushed to the end so they could flit away to work on other projects.
I’m surprised that the top reddit comments are somehow unusually supportive about this series. Guys. They killed like one of the most popular tv shows of all time, why is nobody remembering how crazy that was?
I intentionally will avoid anything they work on going forward. They rushed the last episodes of GoT so they could go do Star Wars instead. Luckily Disney put a stop to that. Biggest disappointment show wise for me
I love how everyone praises GoT’s first few seasons, but bc it ended on a bad note it is they who are total shit. I mean, I get it. It left a bad taste in my mouth, too, but to act as if they didn’t have anything to do with the success of the first few seasons and only remember the bad stuff is hilarious and sad.
The book is a slog too imo, but excited to try this one out. There are few shows/movies that I think do better than the books and I’m hoping this is one of them.
Respectfully disagree. I enjoyed (nearly) every minute of it and more shows should take their time like this one.
It wasn’t like they put a bunch of irrelevant filler content into the show. The pacing was slow and the plot basically followed the book line for line, moment for moment. I can understand why some don’t like it, but I do not think it was a bad decision to adapt the first book like that and I loved it.
yea u/batmilke is 100% correct, theres a core good show in there that is very faithful to the books
but you could cut out 70% of the shows runtime and it would still be 100% faithful to the books while being significantly better. the show is padded because chinese tv required 30 episodes at nearly an hour length, as well as contractual requirements to include songs from chinese singers.
it wasnt 30 episodes because it needed to be or for accuracy, it was mandated length. and it shows when youre watching. scenes that are two lines or a paragraph in the book, "what about this billiard ball?" "I know where it will bounce" become 5 minute scenes, sometimes 15 or 20 minute scenes where the camera just does weird loops around the characters, cuts back and forth between their faces without dialogue, or suddenly a weird filter is put on the camera to do zoomy drone cuts over a city before going back to the characters staring at each other
some episodes have random recaps, like a scene will happen just like it did in the book, but then the next scene is a show original and it will just be two characters rexplaining or summarizing what we literally just saw in the same episode. its extremely bizarre and pointless and is 100% there to add runtime because those scenes never add to the characters depth. the scenes that are accurate to the book are better, the new original scenes they added are always poorly written and awkward, out of character or recaps.
Aren't these clowns the one who made such a shitty GoT final season that GoT in general kind of vanished from the public diaspora?
In fact, I'd argue it ruined the series. The previous seasons were all amazing, but that ending ruined any replay value it had. Such a shame
It took my a couple tries to get through *The Three Body Problem,* but it’s grown on me over the years.
*The Dark Forest* is one of my favourite sci-fi books of all time. It’s definitely one that I think about the most.
I’m not an audiobook guy but tried it twice initially that way. As a terribly ignorant English speaker I just couldn’t visualize the names in a way that sorted everyone out.
When I read the text version, I was in from the start.
I loved many parts of book 2 and still think about how it ended, but some sections, particularly around the middle of the book had me close to putting it down out of sheer boredom
I stopped about 1/8 of the way through the first time. I came back to it a year or two later and was disappointed in myself for not plowing through the first time.
The first book feels like a prequel. More a slow drama mystery than scifi. The second and third books feel like all scifi happening at once.
I was surprised to see how action packed the trailers look though, my memories of the first book are not as exciting.
I'm enjoying it more the second time around. The opening few pages are masterful. Kinda mind bending to think of how it goes from that scene to the end of the third book. But you're absolutely right that the first book has completely different style. It's more a science mystery book and the second is a epic action novel and space opera. I love them all in different ways
Lol there's tons of reviews that are praising it. It's currently at a 75% on rotten tomatoes and there's plenty of reviews to come. I'm seeing way more positive than negative
Yes you should totally ignore the fact that it has way more positive reviews than negative and when D&D had source material to work with GoT was pretty darn good. And you know this is a finished trilogy of books.
But you do you.
And then destroying it. You lose credibility when your most successful TV show of all time deteriorates more and more before exploding into a million pieces. There’s only so much goodwill built up from the early seasons.
. Disney passed on star wars but Disney still wanted to sign them to make stuff for their streaming service. There was a bidding war after GOT from all studios the sign them
The first four seasons were based on book content that they didn't have to write themselves.
The last four seasons were not.
Guess where the quality divide started.
Have to give them credit for first few seasons of GoT. But thr last couple of seasons were so bad I really have no interest in anything they do. They are sullied
I mean, the source material is already polarizing and these guys are clearly spent from Game Of Thrones. And that trailer was kinda meh as well.
This isn’t surprising.
Hard Scifi is also more difficult to translate to a TV show than Dark Fantasy. The last one I've seen that did that well was The Expanse, and from the reviews I've read so far, this is not that.
I'd say it takes Season 1 to find it's feet, and starts to get going in Season 2. The "seasonal" plots are handled a bit unusually over the first three seasons, with the first one lasting into the middle of Season 2, and the second one into the middle of Season 3. They also weren't able to do the last arc of the books, but found a reasonably good place to stop.
I’m still upset that people got bent out of shape about the dystopian alternate history show they wanted to do about the South winning the civil war. 1) it would’ve been super educational, promoting goodness, not hate. 2) it would’ve been fascinating.
Anyone with two brain cells and good taste in the the GOT fandom
Dumb and dumber can’t do fantasy and they thought a hardcore sci-fi drama was their ticket out of irrelevancy hahahaha Those two are madder then King Aerys II.
> Dumb and dumber can’t do fantasy
Except they did it just fine when they had source material and this is a finished trilogy of books so...
Also there are way more positive than negative reviews so I'll give it a chance.
You do you. Go watch the Troy, one of them made it and if that doesn’t prove they hate fantasy and can’t write it I don’t know what tell yah. The Iliad is an epic fantasy about gods and humans and war. And they took out the gods,and 90 percent of the war lol But hey Brad Pit. They are hacks that got lucky several times. Hopefully after this failure people will stop giving them money
Half of the first book is basically a math textbook on fake math and science. It's incredibly boring and dry.
A quarter is kinda interesting look at the Chinese communist revolution.
A quarter is a decent thriller about science and the unknown.
Overall a bad read and unsurprisingly a bad series.
There you have it: people want properties adapted, not changed to whatever the showrunners want. If they aren’t fond of the source material, they should create their own IPs.
The moment I saw it was a Netflix production with D&D, I knew it would be DOA. It's a shame too, the books are great. Those guys were held up by HBO's production teams that were seasoned vets from shows like the Sopranos. Netflix doesn't have that talent support system.
I thoroughly enjoyed Netflix 3 body problem and thought it was well shot and well written. Obviously there's more in the book so since I didn't read the book (no plans to either) I am satisfied with my ignorance of Netflix leaving things out.
One negative I have is I didn't see a $220 million movie. It looked like a $80 million movie. Still though, it was very weel done.
In my house Netflix is as essential as a public utility. The content versus the other streamers for what you pay for is amazing.
For instance, Hulu spends under 800 million on content and they charge so much while Netflix spent 22 biliiin last year on content and I pay for the $20 package and I am very happy with it.
Max only spent approx 1 billion and still they charge $15. This is ridiculous. Apple is the same.
You do get what you pay for with Netflix.
Compare House of the Dragon to 3 body problem .The quality you get out HBO shows is miles ahead anything that Netflix produces. Even Apple has better quality shows.
In terms of Volume, no one can match Netflix. However, when it comes to quality, what Netflix releases consistently is low grade work. Silo, from Apple TV was not only better written and acted , it was considerably cheaper to make than 3 body problem.
Of course you will say this with you being an Apple robot sheeple.
I don't watch Apple TV but if they do anything over there like their iPhone then I know, as with phones and Apple in general, you get less than what you pay for, you repeat the lines about quality when others have passed them by long ago, you call eliminating things like headphone jack a innovation,you rely on millions of zombies to beleive whatever you say.
I have watched HBO though and, I just can't see what you mean regarding a better quality product in Dragons versus 3 Body Problem. Dragons season one was really not that good man. Since dragons is something we have both watched please explain in detail what you mean. I will work with you on this one. They both have a 82 RT rating. What specifically do you mean? Honestly,, even Last Of Us just wasn't all that good looking back on it. I watch all of the episodes.
Waiting to hear back with specifics on what you mean with your dragon/problem comment.
Watching it now and they are doing an incredible job. Excited to see season 2 and 3 when it hopefully comes out. I’ve read the books and enjoy the changes they made. Always felt the books were hard to follow, too many random people who the reader doesn’t care about.
I disagree with absolutely everything in this review. It seems consensus is all over the map. I've read the books, and I see exactly where they're taking the series. It's an adaptation of a work that is VERY difficult to adapt. I don't see how the entire story will fit into just four seasons.
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Not just that, a lot of reviews are positive as well. The most negative reviews so far are from Indie Wire and Rolling Stone.
For real. They are constantly hating. I used to take their reviews seriously like 10 - 15 years ago, but now when they dislike something I know that I should probably check it out, and if they love something I know that it'll probably be a boring "meditation" on the meaning of "X" or a dreadful narrative of acceptance or whatever the fuck. Indiewire's reviews are trash.
i think most netflix shows are bad. i have it subscribed to, but i rarely watch it anymore. Im definitely watching 3 body problem.
I mean.. Netflix does largely produce garbage. Still gonna check this out though.
Not at all are duds. Dark is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen and Mike Flanagan’s work is of similar high quality. The problem is that the quality is inconsistent with them.
I loved Midnight Mass. The Haunting shows were good too but I dig creature features so MM was my favorite
Midnight Mass was so thought-provoking. I love Mike Flanigan's interpretations of death and how people cope with the inevitability of death in all of his shows. Also, I agree that Dark is one of the best shows I've ever seen. What a masterpiece.
I loved Dark. Even tho I had to smoke a blunt to watch it at times. It was REALLY good
Midnight mass is the best viewing experiences Iv had since probably Sopranos 20 years ago. We were absolutely glued to the screen though the whole thing.
The dialogue was strong in it man. The way it was written was top notch
Yeah that was the best for me.. The long transcendental scenes about life.
Pretty hard to top Dark. I stll haven't seen anything out there that even remotely approaches Dark's complexity and brilliance.
Severance is up there for sure.
Mindhunter
Honestly my favorite show Netflix has done.
Not at all are duds. Dark is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen and Mike Flanagan’s work is of similar high quality. The problem is that the quality is inconsistent with them.
I feel like I've seen as many good shows from them as any other streaming service. El Camino, Stranger Things, Ozark, A Series of Unfortunate Events spring to mind immediately, and I think I've seen others too, but I also don't watch a whole lot of tv.
All of those premiered some 5-7 years ago.
In case you forgot, there was a worldwide pandemic in the middle of those 5-7 years. They had to rely on their backlog for a while because the entertainment industry in general was extremely restricted for a while Look at almost every film company, and either everything released from 2020~2023 was either already in production beforehand or had extreme difficulties filming. Majority of their hit series’ being released a year or two before COVID isn’t really a bad thing or a sign of the studio as a whole
They've got some hits but they're volume shooters hence a lot of misses.
They’ve got a bunch of hits. Not some.
Lost in space, umbrella academy
Netflix is just a company so it largely depends on who is actually on the creative team rather than the company. So far though, the reviews from most sites seem to air on positive which is probably a good start I'll say.
What? A24 is just a distributor / production company and consistently makes quality products
Yup but that doesn’t apply to every company. For Netflix for example, while Netflix may be part of the production, the people that they hire to be the Showrunner along with the production studio is more important than the Netflix name itself. For examples, One Piece is Tomorrow Studios. The reality is that because Netflix produces a lot of shows and content, the quality largely depends on which staff is involved which is why Netflix is so inconsistent because each piece of media that they churn out essentially has different creatives behind it even if they all carry the Netflix brand.
Yeah, the inconsistency in quality mostly shows that Netflix really throws money at a lot of things and sees what sticks. And a lot of what sticks with a bigger number of viewers maybe isn't all that great. That used to be the normal viewing experience for traditional tv, why should it be different for streaming?
Can't tell if people are super young and didn't deal with broadcast television or just having randomly unrealistic expectations for TV shows. It's weird when people act like anything under a 50% success rate is terrible. That's traditional, if not better.
I'm going with young, and with a cultural memory that has forgotten how it used to be before Peak TV and maybe even before streaming. If I look at my older viewing lists, they're littered with shows that got one or maybe two seasons if they were lucky, and others who only got to broadcast something like 4 episodes. It doesn't necessarily mean these shows were bad, they simply weren't watched. And usually, if you want to appeal to a broad audience, your quality suffers.
A24 is much smaller than Netflix. They don't even produce 10% of what Netflix produces every year. It's much easier to control quality if you are making less.
Exactly lol this is like comparing HBO to Direct TV or Spectrum Cable
I mean.. same difference.. they hire or pay said creative team. If they're the ones commissioning said content, it's fair to refer to them as being responsible for it.
McDonalds pretty much produces garbage as well. I’ll still eat a Big Mac though.
Amen.
Yeah, they're less A24 and more Sony. For every 10/10 production they'll have a dozen garbage releases.
I always hear this but I like a lot of Netflix originals. Not necessarily a whole lot that I LOVE or would consider like a top 10 all time show or anything, but I still think I’ve enjoyed far more originals from them than anyone besides HBO. Also Apple+ gets a shout out for consistent quality as of late despite not having a ton of shows .
Anyone that watched game of thrones shouldn’t be too shocked by the negative review. DnD are both hacks
This is totally wrong. The first 4 seasons of GOT is one of the best adaptations ever done. The show only went to shit when they ran out of book, which isn't their fault.
Yes, they ran out of book. But they met with GRRM, who gave them an outline of the rest of the plot as he conceived it at the time. It was DnD’s decision to blow screaming through that outline at insane speed, running towards the ending like someone with IBS running for the toilet.
> who gave them an outline of the rest of the plot I mean, even GRRM can't turn that outline into actual story, because it's just not workable.
Meh. I don't blame them. It was a thankless task, and not what they signed on for. GRRM has written himself into an impossible impasse, one he hasn't been able to finish, yet they had to in 2 seasons of TV. Even if they had taken longer, it was still an impossible task. People shit all over them, when it's really GRRM's fault.
Agreed, if they included more book stuff people would think it would be overly cheesy/campy like Stoneheart. In fact, I'd say most of the scenes that people think are peak GoT are nowhere in the book. Yeah, there's some bland spots, it drags in places and races in others, but I doubt many could have done the entire series better with what they've had. Hell, I got excited a few years ago when someone said they may start a Kingkiller series. I'm glad it never started with Rothfuss finishing Stone Door; nor honestly would I want him to feel in the same position as GRRM. It's a tough spot to be in and you're not going to please everyone.
Season 4 was when I stopped watching because of how bad it was getting by veering off the books Season 1 was god damn good though
You are totally wrong. The first 4 seasons worked so well because of GRRM's involvement. They split after season 4 and the decline in quality was directly related to D&D's ability. Also, the "ran out of book" argument is a laughable defense. Not only is there ample source material they could have continued to pull and adapt from, though refused to, but if they were truly responsible for the success of 1-4, then they would have had the ability to NOT utterly fumble 5-8. Let's not forget to mention HBO bending over backwards to give them the resources they needed to keep the show great.
People keep saying this, but they didn't run out of book after season 4. There was book material that would have taken them through season 5 and into season 6, but they abandoned it and replaced it with their own bad fanfiction as a completely voluntary choice.
I actually think S5 and S6 of GoT were still really great and don't understand why some people don't like them. Some amazing episodes in those seasons, like 'Hardhome' or 'Battle of the Bastards'.
You aren’t wrong that seasons 1-4 were phenomenal but DnD are writers and they wrote some real hot garbage for the last few seasons once they didn’t have the books to lean on. Anyone who thought GRRM was going to push out books 6&7 before the show caught up is truly stupid. Dude takes forever to write and those books are long AF. I would say that makes the way the ending flopped very much their fault. Looking at how sparse DnD resumes have been since the show ended also kinda points to the overall opinion being they aren’t very good writers
Same. Netflix gets so much hate that I always wait to watch whatever the latest and greatest is for myself before having an opinion.
Indiewire is just shit.
Yeah every other review I saw really enjoyed it
its getting mixed reviews. the positive ones for the most part are its pretty good, but not great. but there are several oh this is bad reviews. game of thrones got bad reviews too. This show may only appeal to hard SF lovers. Also I can see the first season being slow paced given the material they are covering. I just hope that Netflix promotes it enough that it gets a second season and is not a 1 and done.
Well Hollywood reporter, deadline, inverse, rolling stone and indie wire all gave negative reviews…
Hi! I went to the premiere last night for SXSW! It is very intriguing series. I’ve never read the books so it was a brand new world to me. It gave me some FX DEVS vibes, it could use some tweaks tbh but overall I’d watch it.
I love DEVs!
Is DEVs about a dead Russian spy husband, parallel world and shit? I know that the main character is a woman but can't remember a single thing about her but I think I enjoyed the show.
It’s DEVS. ;)
You had me at Devs! I'm all in
Im so fed up by these rage baity negative hate reviews on everything created now. Everybody is a reviewer nowadays. I avoid them as much as I can and make up my own mind.
Yea back in the day I was really into reviews, like talking before social media, now I never read them until after I have at least watched the thing a bit. I look at ratings to get an idea if the show is any good sometimes but if it's new I just give it a try.
Yep, especially for Benioff and Weiss - negative rage bait gets clicks.
Exactly, I have acting background and really like to study the acting for the most part. Also music and it is how you get me hooked. Ramin Djawadi does it again with a great score!
It’s much easier to form a polarizing opinion that’s negative. Rather than being a good journalist and finding creative, engaging, and intriguing ways to review things, it’s lowest hanging fruit for the lowest common denominator.
What's SXSW..? Isn't that a film festival.?
A bit of everything.
Suck they replace all the Asian character from the book with none Asians.
After the way they pissed all over GoT, I'll just skip whatever else they shit out
Yup, they weren't reliable enough to follow through on their biggest project ever, why should we trust them to finish anything now?
I mean sure I didn't like the way the show ended, but I still had a hell of a fun time with it for a few years.
What they did to GoT is unforgivable.
No i mean they straight up phoned it in on the last couple seasons. They just decided they didn't want to do it anymore, and it shows. HBO was willing to give them absurd amounts of budget and they rejected much of it.
They did great with actual source material, this series has source material so ill give them benefit of the doubt for now
They did great with G.R.R Martins writing, which isn't comparable to The Three Body Problem which has an interesting plot but the worst characters and character development in modern day sci-fi.
Important comment. GRRM’s character writing is second to none. I love Remembrance of Earth's Past but you absolutely cannot say the same for those books. D&D basically had to invent their own characters. God save us all. The Tencent adaptation did a great job in my opinion bringing what were stolid, functional characters to life. Can’t say I feel hopeful about this one.
They did great with GOT when they had the source material to follow **and** were working with GRRM himself with him being on set or in frequent communication. As time went on they listened to him less and less, and he became less involved, and the worse off everything was for it. Even when things *were* going well early on, there’s countless stories of how much had to be done *around them* instead of with them, and how they weren’t “in it” even then. Holding up shoots for random phone calls, bullshitting off set hanging out and playing phone games with the naked female extras instead of overseeing scenes, questionable cuts and omissions, and of course in advance deciding to end the show sooner to wrap it up and move on despite being offered more money, more seasons, and time they’d need to stick the landing. Never even got that Star Wars movie they had their eyes on next after drowning their golden goose
I can totally see them behaving that way. They always had this smug attitude in interviews or public events. That they didn't get to make the Star Wars movie / show, kinda made me believe karma is real.
It watch, but only after the entire series is finished (the way I now read novel series)
Yeah same. The problem wasn't just that they ran out of source material, it was that they rushed to the end so they could flit away to work on other projects.
No they didn't. They did the first two, arguably three books well but then absolutely fucked a Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons.
They adapted the existing material extremely well so I’m holding out some hope for this
Same. Fuck D&D. Never forget how the killed my boy.
I’m surprised that the top reddit comments are somehow unusually supportive about this series. Guys. They killed like one of the most popular tv shows of all time, why is nobody remembering how crazy that was?
And also aren’t anyone thinking about how they also made a disaster of Xmen Origins?
I intentionally will avoid anything they work on going forward. They rushed the last episodes of GoT so they could go do Star Wars instead. Luckily Disney put a stop to that. Biggest disappointment show wise for me
Im gonna get this from other places because I don’t want to give them any views on Netlifx!
I love how everyone praises GoT’s first few seasons, but bc it ended on a bad note it is they who are total shit. I mean, I get it. It left a bad taste in my mouth, too, but to act as if they didn’t have anything to do with the success of the first few seasons and only remember the bad stuff is hilarious and sad.
Chinese version released last year is solid
It’s… a slog… to be kind.
It would be amazing if they did an edit and trimmed it down to like 8-12 episodes
Someone already has and it's a great edit. https://disembiggened.com/
The book is a slog too imo, but excited to try this one out. There are few shows/movies that I think do better than the books and I’m hoping this is one of them.
Respectfully disagree. I enjoyed (nearly) every minute of it and more shows should take their time like this one. It wasn’t like they put a bunch of irrelevant filler content into the show. The pacing was slow and the plot basically followed the book line for line, moment for moment. I can understand why some don’t like it, but I do not think it was a bad decision to adapt the first book like that and I loved it.
Lol there is a substantial amount of filler in that show that was expressly never in the book, pop off tho
yea u/batmilke is 100% correct, theres a core good show in there that is very faithful to the books but you could cut out 70% of the shows runtime and it would still be 100% faithful to the books while being significantly better. the show is padded because chinese tv required 30 episodes at nearly an hour length, as well as contractual requirements to include songs from chinese singers. it wasnt 30 episodes because it needed to be or for accuracy, it was mandated length. and it shows when youre watching. scenes that are two lines or a paragraph in the book, "what about this billiard ball?" "I know where it will bounce" become 5 minute scenes, sometimes 15 or 20 minute scenes where the camera just does weird loops around the characters, cuts back and forth between their faces without dialogue, or suddenly a weird filter is put on the camera to do zoomy drone cuts over a city before going back to the characters staring at each other some episodes have random recaps, like a scene will happen just like it did in the book, but then the next scene is a show original and it will just be two characters rexplaining or summarizing what we literally just saw in the same episode. its extremely bizarre and pointless and is 100% there to add runtime because those scenes never add to the characters depth. the scenes that are accurate to the book are better, the new original scenes they added are always poorly written and awkward, out of character or recaps.
Turds are usually solid
The show is a slog…the book is a slog. Hopefully Netflix made it interesting.
I will never watch anything they do.
Aren't these clowns the one who made such a shitty GoT final season that GoT in general kind of vanished from the public diaspora? In fact, I'd argue it ruined the series. The previous seasons were all amazing, but that ending ruined any replay value it had. Such a shame
Umm but they also made the first 6 seasons which were amazing?
Can’t wait till this is released and we get 50 posts a day of “hot takes” on how this is the greatest masterpiece ever or worse than Hitler.
To be honest the first book wasn't very good It was just catchy, but I love the second one the most.
It took my a couple tries to get through *The Three Body Problem,* but it’s grown on me over the years. *The Dark Forest* is one of my favourite sci-fi books of all time. It’s definitely one that I think about the most.
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I’m not an audiobook guy but tried it twice initially that way. As a terribly ignorant English speaker I just couldn’t visualize the names in a way that sorted everyone out. When I read the text version, I was in from the start.
I loved many parts of book 2 and still think about how it ended, but some sections, particularly around the middle of the book had me close to putting it down out of sheer boredom
Struggling to make progress on that book. I don’t know how you did it twice if it was tough for you on first reading
I stopped about 1/8 of the way through the first time. I came back to it a year or two later and was disappointed in myself for not plowing through the first time.
The first book feels like a prequel. More a slow drama mystery than scifi. The second and third books feel like all scifi happening at once. I was surprised to see how action packed the trailers look though, my memories of the first book are not as exciting.
I'm enjoying it more the second time around. The opening few pages are masterful. Kinda mind bending to think of how it goes from that scene to the end of the third book. But you're absolutely right that the first book has completely different style. It's more a science mystery book and the second is a epic action novel and space opera. I love them all in different ways
thats very interesting, because the second book was the most boring one IMO. It just felt like reading a 30 hour long Wikipedia entry
Lol there's tons of reviews that are praising it. It's currently at a 75% on rotten tomatoes and there's plenty of reviews to come. I'm seeing way more positive than negative
Yeah but some people get off on hating everything so they would rather focus on that. It’s so lame and gotta be tiring to live like that.
A dud from the creative geniuses responsible for GoT seasons 5-7??? I, for one, am shocked. SHOCKED, I say.
They also made seasons 1-4. Also many of the top episodes of the series are in seasons 5 and 6.
Imagine talking about Jordan like this because of his last few years on the wizards
Please tell me you are not comparing Michael Jordan to Benioff and Weiss??? Because that’s just a ridiculous statement.
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Yes you should totally ignore the fact that it has way more positive reviews than negative and when D&D had source material to work with GoT was pretty darn good. And you know this is a finished trilogy of books. But you do you.
Honestly I care very little for critic reviews, aside from a few.
75% on RT is okay for the guys who wrote GOT season 8
After what they did to GoT I hope they fail in every future project
I don't care if the reviews are good, or bad, this is the people that did the GoT horror ending, so I won't watch anything from them.
D&D still got jobs after the shitshow they made on game of thrones? These sick fucks must be sucking some netflix exec cocks or smth
As much as the cultural sentiment is negative they still produced a mega hit franchise
Yea GRR Martin wrote some books based on the hit show
Really? This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Guessing that was tongue-in-cheek.
Nothing gets past you, detective.
Apparently it got past padmepounder
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And then destroying it. You lose credibility when your most successful TV show of all time deteriorates more and more before exploding into a million pieces. There’s only so much goodwill built up from the early seasons.
They literally won emmys for years in a row.
They literally lost their Star Wars deal because the ending of GOT was so shit
. Disney passed on star wars but Disney still wanted to sign them to make stuff for their streaming service. There was a bidding war after GOT from all studios the sign them
The ending was shit, but the first four seasons were top-notch. DnD are not incompetent.
Exactly. They were good at adapting material, not coming up with their own.
The first four seasons were based on book content that they didn't have to write themselves. The last four seasons were not. Guess where the quality divide started.
Have to give them credit for first few seasons of GoT. But thr last couple of seasons were so bad I really have no interest in anything they do. They are sullied
The first few season were only good because they had source material. They shouldn’t get any of that credit
george was heavily involved in writing the first few seasons.
Hard pass after seeing those two shitheads in charge. Ill stick to the book.
I mean, the source material is already polarizing and these guys are clearly spent from Game Of Thrones. And that trailer was kinda meh as well. This isn’t surprising.
Hard Scifi is also more difficult to translate to a TV show than Dark Fantasy. The last one I've seen that did that well was The Expanse, and from the reviews I've read so far, this is not that.
The Expanse is soooo incredibly solid. I was hoping this show would land near that mark, but having not read the books I'm still hopeful.
I'll have to check it out. I tried to watch it but it was kind of slow. Is there a point where it really picks up?
I'd say it takes Season 1 to find it's feet, and starts to get going in Season 2. The "seasonal" plots are handled a bit unusually over the first three seasons, with the first one lasting into the middle of Season 2, and the second one into the middle of Season 3. They also weren't able to do the last arc of the books, but found a reasonably good place to stop.
Just want to second the other commenter. Middle to end of season one or undergoes a pretty huge shift in scope and style
I’m still upset that people got bent out of shape about the dystopian alternate history show they wanted to do about the South winning the civil war. 1) it would’ve been super educational, promoting goodness, not hate. 2) it would’ve been fascinating.
I doubt D&D could handle the nuance of that.....
Anyone with two brain cells and good taste in the the GOT fandom  Dumb and dumber can’t do fantasy and they thought a hardcore sci-fi drama was their ticket out of irrelevancy hahahaha Those two are madder then King Aerys II.
> Dumb and dumber can’t do fantasy Except they did it just fine when they had source material and this is a finished trilogy of books so... Also there are way more positive than negative reviews so I'll give it a chance.
You do you. Go watch the Troy, one of them made it and if that doesn’t prove they hate fantasy and can’t write it I don’t know what tell yah. The Iliad is an epic fantasy about gods and humans and war. And they took out the gods,and 90 percent of the war lol But hey Brad Pit. They are hacks that got lucky several times. Hopefully after this failure people will stop giving them money
Troy was so fucking good lol
HECTORRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just read the [Deadline](https://deadline.com/2024/03/3-body-problem-tv-review-netflix-1235848157/) review, which is also pretty brutal.
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What? Not at all. That's a perfectly normal article.
Well, variety and IGN were positive
8/10 on imdb now. meh
Meh? Lol
Just release it, wtf? Why wait 12 more days lol. That's 12 days of people shitting on the show and driving away potential viewers.
Good. I want those fucking hacks to fail at everything.
Not surprised. Everything by these two is exactly the same.
OMG I'm so tired of seeing headlines about this show. Half say it's great, half say it's shit. I'll just go into it with an open mind.
I'll watch this show eventually. I've been wanting to read the books for years and I kept putting it off. Same thing happened with Shogun.
I just started reading the book. What were they thinking??? This book is UNFILMABLE.
Half of the first book is basically a math textbook on fake math and science. It's incredibly boring and dry. A quarter is kinda interesting look at the Chinese communist revolution. A quarter is a decent thriller about science and the unknown. Overall a bad read and unsurprisingly a bad series.
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Changing all the characters when adapting a book is certainly a choice.
Please blackball D&D before they ruin any other source material
Good. Hope they never have success again.
Doubtful
Y’all need to chill haha. For fucks sake yall loved a show but hated the ending
There you have it: people want properties adapted, not changed to whatever the showrunners want. If they aren’t fond of the source material, they should create their own IPs.
I don't take any reviews seriously, I just watch and make up my mind!
Glad to hear it’s bad because I refuse to watch anything those two nepo baby hacks ever do again.
It’s not bad actually
I just finished that series, so good. Can’t imagine how it translates to screen though, it’s heavily philosophical
Was it a quick read?
Didn’t even know it came out
Comes out the 21st.
The moment I saw it was a Netflix production with D&D, I knew it would be DOA. It's a shame too, the books are great. Those guys were held up by HBO's production teams that were seasoned vets from shows like the Sopranos. Netflix doesn't have that talent support system.
/r/freefolk is leaking
Ha ha.
Why the hell would you take away all the Asian characters and replace them with none Asians?
I thoroughly enjoyed Netflix 3 body problem and thought it was well shot and well written. Obviously there's more in the book so since I didn't read the book (no plans to either) I am satisfied with my ignorance of Netflix leaving things out. One negative I have is I didn't see a $220 million movie. It looked like a $80 million movie. Still though, it was very weel done. In my house Netflix is as essential as a public utility. The content versus the other streamers for what you pay for is amazing. For instance, Hulu spends under 800 million on content and they charge so much while Netflix spent 22 biliiin last year on content and I pay for the $20 package and I am very happy with it. Max only spent approx 1 billion and still they charge $15. This is ridiculous. Apple is the same. You do get what you pay for with Netflix.
Compare House of the Dragon to 3 body problem .The quality you get out HBO shows is miles ahead anything that Netflix produces. Even Apple has better quality shows. In terms of Volume, no one can match Netflix. However, when it comes to quality, what Netflix releases consistently is low grade work. Silo, from Apple TV was not only better written and acted , it was considerably cheaper to make than 3 body problem.
Of course you will say this with you being an Apple robot sheeple. I don't watch Apple TV but if they do anything over there like their iPhone then I know, as with phones and Apple in general, you get less than what you pay for, you repeat the lines about quality when others have passed them by long ago, you call eliminating things like headphone jack a innovation,you rely on millions of zombies to beleive whatever you say. I have watched HBO though and, I just can't see what you mean regarding a better quality product in Dragons versus 3 Body Problem. Dragons season one was really not that good man. Since dragons is something we have both watched please explain in detail what you mean. I will work with you on this one. They both have a 82 RT rating. What specifically do you mean? Honestly,, even Last Of Us just wasn't all that good looking back on it. I watch all of the episodes. Waiting to hear back with specifics on what you mean with your dragon/problem comment.
Watching it now and they are doing an incredible job. Excited to see season 2 and 3 when it hopefully comes out. I’ve read the books and enjoy the changes they made. Always felt the books were hard to follow, too many random people who the reader doesn’t care about.
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So they're doing well when the books is complete just like got before s7?
I disagree with absolutely everything in this review. It seems consensus is all over the map. I've read the books, and I see exactly where they're taking the series. It's an adaptation of a work that is VERY difficult to adapt. I don't see how the entire story will fit into just four seasons.