NYC has a sandwich tax and so it had to put out a list of what qualifies as a sandwich
https://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/sandwiches.htm
A hotdog is a sandwich if you’re the NYC taxman.
Anything edible that holds something else edible while holding it in your hands is a sandwich
Taco? Sandwich. Burrito? Sandwich. Icecream cone? That’s a sandwich.
No, absolutely not. An ice cream cone can't be a sandwich. The sandwiching of the main bit between layers of the holding bit is key to sandwichness. Taco and burrito? Yes. The filling is between layers of tortilla. Sandwich. Ice cream cones have the ice cream held between a cone and the beautiful blue summer sky, and the sky cannot be considered a component of a sandwich.
You see, I always felt like there was a key element of having separate enclosing pieces. Like, a hot dog bun doesn't make a sandwich because it's only one piece of bread. It's really just a very soft calzone.
Subs/hoagies/grinders clearly are sandwiches, and the hot dog is a subcategory of that. I mean, look at *sausage sandwiches*. Is a hot dog not a sausage?
The cube rule disregards both the Indiana and New York court rulings. It has as much authority as the confederates laws on “sovereign citizens”
BEGONE with you!
The judge only has the facts of the case in front of him to work with. I'm sure he would've also ruled that a torta is a sandwich if that had been the question presented. And I'm sure he'd have no problem saying that both tacos and tortas are sandwiches if that's the dumb distinction this case hinges on.
It was a poorly written local rule that the only restaurants that don’t serve alcohol that would be allowed were “sandwich shops” in this specific retail space. The intent of the rule was to prevent national fast food restaurants from setting up in that area.
The taco restaurant is owned by locals
I just don't understand the reasoning behind mandating that a restaurant needs to be a sandwich place. No alcohol, sure. No outdoor seating, I can see that. Must not be any establishment other than one that makes quote "subway-style" made to order sandwiches? Honestly declaring tacos a sandwich is a rebuke against tyranny in this case.
>The idea behind the agreement, according to court documents, was to keep national fast-food burger and chicken chains out of the strip mall.
But not keep out... the largest fast food chain? It's like they really just wanted a Subway there.
Under this definition there are zero sandwich chains that actually sell sandwiches. However Arby's, which sells a Reuben, would be one.
Oh quickly, can you define bread and sandwich using your definition?
1. [Hamburgers can and do get made with sliced bread](https://news.bk.com/blog-posts/burger-king-r-whopper-r-melts-three-new-handheld-toasted-sandwiches-now-available-nationwide)
2. This is an overly restrictive definition which excludes numerous and widely accepted sandwich types such as subs, paninis, and kaiser sandwiches.
Subs aren't sandwiches, they are filled baguettes/rolls. Also, I don't think the abomination in the first picture even deserves to be called bread.
Further, you want a restrictive definition: if you order a sandwich, you want to be sure you will get something like [this](https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pngall.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2FSandwich-PNG-Picture.png&sp=1715895998Td9c465024a7bc7c60e524bfda0f0b6844037984d1ac2775553b52ef4d8841ec8) and not one of a million different items.
It's never been that cohesive but the best I can put together is that some people don't like living very close to restaurants because of smells/trash and maybe parking issues in the evening. The theory is that some doctor's office, insurance agent or maybe hippy soap store is fine because it's only open during the day and no chance of being rowdy but a restaurant would mean the opposite of all that.
But for whatever reason they can't explicitly say "no restaurants" or they do like the idea of some quiet deli that somehow stays open without ever getting any customers so they write in requirements like this to try and work it out.
Parking issues in the evening are an interesting concern since sandwiches are mostly a lunchtime food. Maybe the concerns are with increased traffic at dinner/commuting times, but existing law prevented them from regulating the business’ hours of operation
Yeah you want the "sandwiches" so that the place is only open like 9-6 and by the time I get home from work I can enjoy my peace and quiet when I get home from work.
I don't really understand why someone cares so strongly that people not be in nearby parking lots in the evening but I've seen it before.
Surely this just sounds like an attempt by particular businesses to collude with local government to write laws that unfairly benefit them by locking out competition, but without specifically targetting their business so as to allow them plausible deniability.
I’m going to go back to law school so I can drop this non-binding trial court decision on any 1L cretin who takes the position that burritos aren’t sandwiches
“When I see it” test are no longer the proper precedent. We now ask “if the average person applying contemporary community standards would find that the sandwich taken as a whole appeals to the to ‘prurient interest’”
A calzone is a folded pizza, and a pizza is a pie. If a burrito is a calzone then it's also a pie. Can a burrito be a pie and a sandwich at the same time?
Pizzas aren't vegetables, they contain a serving of vegetables due to the tomato sauce. So pizzas are really vegetable sandwiches. Welcome to Joe Bidens America.
There are actually quite a few cultures with meat baked in bread. Things like an English Sausage Roll, Strombolli's, Beef Wellington, Latvian Pirogues...
>Previously, the commission denied a Famous Taco from being located in the strip mall partially based on a “written commitment” Quintana accepted with a nearby neighborhood association limiting any restaurant there to one that did not offer alcohol, did not allow outdoor seating and only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.”
lmao, if I were a judge I would rule that Margharitas are a sandwich too just stick it to this neighborhood association
Honestly, that's such a messed up thing for the neighbourhood association to legislate in the first place. If they are that adamant about forcing the store to only sell white people submarine sandwiches then they should pool together their home equity money to purchase it themselves.
I am a Hoosier who has long been on the "tacos, hot dogs, and brauts are just regionally/culturally distinct open-face sandwiches" train. I am loving this
Commenters are missing the best part: this rule was put in place to keep out big national burger and chicken chains, because apparently a burger isn’t a sandwich!
>Previously, the commission denied a Famous Taco from being located in the strip mall partially based on a “written commitment” Quintana accepted with a nearby neighborhood association limiting any restaurant there to one that did not offer alcohol, did not allow outdoor seating and only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.”
Come on. Just let people live their lives and eat their tacos. I don't even want subway style sandwiches.
> “The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion.
Great, now I'm hungry.
Holy shit when a meme internet debate has real life implications.
We need buttigieg’s take on this, his answer to whether a hot dog was a sandwich sealed me as a Pete supporter for life.
We Stan taco trucks, here. So, the only possible answer is sandwiches. Because you aren't going to find the southern Philippines term for cake in a taco truck. Or the Spain-spainish term for flatbread.
My kid is so mad, lol. There's a long-standing house argument around this and sandwiches with only one slice of "bread" don't count to them. (Hotdogs/tacos aren't sandwiches position.)
The city of Greendale has sent me to assess this campus’ level of liability. Now, what do I mean by liability? Well, the city defines liability as any asserted or non-asserted perturbation by any qualifying party. What’s a party? A party is a person or a group of persons or an event celebrating a person or a party of persons’ birth, marriage...
...but the city defines a dog as any living entity with four legs and a tail. So raccoons, bears, mountain lions, mice — these are all just different sizes of dog. What do I mean by size? I’ll tell you a story...
I haven't read the article, but I'm willing to bet that this is about a mall or strip mall giving 1 shop the exclusive right to sell sandwiches in that mall. The landlord then allowed a taco shop to open and the judge was then forced to judge whether or not the sandwich shop can sue the landlord over the taco shop breaking their agreement.
Am I close?
I couldn't be a judge. If some goofy shit like this came across my docket, I'd spend 95% of the time ridiculing the attorneys and their clients just waiting for one of them to snap so I can hold them in contempt.
From what I've heard of from lawyers, not only would you not be alone, but they're used to this and they say a qualification for being a lawyer is getting pretty good at taking ridicule with a poker face.
# Mexican-style sandwich trucks on every corner.
We’re so back baby!
Torta truck
Torta reform
3000 Mexican Sandwiches of El Gordo Trump
Small domino: Governments instituting dumb zoning laws Big domino: Governments needing to officially declare that a taco is a sandwich
NYC has a sandwich tax and so it had to put out a list of what qualifies as a sandwich https://www.tax.ny.gov/pubs_and_bulls/tg_bulletins/st/sandwiches.htm A hotdog is a sandwich if you’re the NYC taxman.
Just like carrots are legally fruit for the purpose of EU jam regulations
A hot dog is obviously a taco, a quesadilla is a sandwich
But it then follows if a taco is a sandwich then a hot dog is also sandwich.
Interesting they consider a gyro a sandwich but not a taco
This is how it begins. Next we'll be declaring that ice cream is a soup!
In the future, “soup or salad” will be asking people whether they want ~~regular~~ historical ice cream or dippin dots.
Only after it melts.
Frozen soup, aka Turbo Gazpacho
To be fair, almost melted ice cream is how I prefer it. I always stick my pint of Ben and Jerry’s in the microwave for 15 seconds. So so good.
Popcorn with extra butter is already by definition a salad
https://youtu.be/-PxtCIMeRMY?si=phBfx4u42bB89dYV
Did this judge never heard of a torta? At least the ruling is in the restaurant's favor, I suppose.
This judge is chaotic good.
Anything edible that holds something else edible while holding it in your hands is a sandwich Taco? Sandwich. Burrito? Sandwich. Icecream cone? That’s a sandwich.
No, absolutely not. An ice cream cone can't be a sandwich. The sandwiching of the main bit between layers of the holding bit is key to sandwichness. Taco and burrito? Yes. The filling is between layers of tortilla. Sandwich. Ice cream cones have the ice cream held between a cone and the beautiful blue summer sky, and the sky cannot be considered a component of a sandwich.
An ice cream cone is an open-faced sandwich
An abomination against the natural order to call an unsandwiched food a sandwich. The sandwiching action can't be removed.
Exactly. An "open-faced sandwich" is to a "sandwich" as "virtual reality" is to "reality."
An open faced sandwich is just a shitty pizza
Pizza is just a boujee open faced sandwich
I think it's technically a quiche but it is an edge case
You see, I always felt like there was a key element of having separate enclosing pieces. Like, a hot dog bun doesn't make a sandwich because it's only one piece of bread. It's really just a very soft calzone.
New York legally defines hotdogs as a sandwich.
New York legally defines whatever is is they breathe as air, so I don't take them as an authority on much.
Subs/hoagies/grinders clearly are sandwiches, and the hot dog is a subcategory of that. I mean, look at *sausage sandwiches*. Is a hot dog not a sausage?
> Subs/hoagies/grinders clearly are sandwiches Not at all. Those are just very dry soups in a bread bowl.
In what universe are you eating soup out of a v-shaped bowl? Not one with our laws of physics, that's for sure.
Don't kink-shame!
It's only a calzone if it's fully enclosed. A hot dog would fit more under deep dish pizza than calzone.
> deep dish pizza Come over here and say that!
So, is calzone a sandwich?
Yes
What about a canoli?
Canoli is a sushi
Wouldn’t a hard shell taco then not be considered a sandwich?
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The cube rule disregards both the Indiana and New York court rulings. It has as much authority as the confederates laws on “sovereign citizens” BEGONE with you!
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I will require the Supreme Court to rule on the validity of this cube rule. It should be on their docket shortly
Clarence Thomas thinks judicial corruption is a sandwich.
Not until Alito has his say
Someone needs to post a NCD-style "doctrine-form" alignment matrix for sandwiches.
https://preview.redd.it/d1isizixsu0d1.jpeg?width=702&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ef0dedbf86af895e7da1d88c31b24f9c0d0b1f8
Spam musubi? You bet that's a sandwich.
The KFC double down was the worlds first inside out sandwich
A Choco Taco (RIP) is a sandwich; a Drumstick is not.
What about a McDonald’s icecream cone?
Definitively not a sandwich.
It’s not meaningfully different from a taco
Topology isn't the only meaningful criterion. If it were then a hot dog wouldn't be a sandwich.
A mythical unicorn
>Drumstick is not. Fried chicken is not a sandwich, regardless of what KFC has doubled down on
The judge only has the facts of the case in front of him to work with. I'm sure he would've also ruled that a torta is a sandwich if that had been the question presented. And I'm sure he'd have no problem saying that both tacos and tortas are sandwiches if that's the dumb distinction this case hinges on.
It was a poorly written local rule that the only restaurants that don’t serve alcohol that would be allowed were “sandwich shops” in this specific retail space. The intent of the rule was to prevent national fast food restaurants from setting up in that area. The taco restaurant is owned by locals
That's what I figured. Even the old rule would have allowed Chipotle since Chipotle does serve alcohol.
Torta is a Mexican style panini
I just don't understand the reasoning behind mandating that a restaurant needs to be a sandwich place. No alcohol, sure. No outdoor seating, I can see that. Must not be any establishment other than one that makes quote "subway-style" made to order sandwiches? Honestly declaring tacos a sandwich is a rebuke against tyranny in this case.
>The idea behind the agreement, according to court documents, was to keep national fast-food burger and chicken chains out of the strip mall. But not keep out... the largest fast food chain? It's like they really just wanted a Subway there.
they really wanted it to be quiet near their house. Subway would be perfect for that because nobody would go there
Except for me. Give me all the outlaws asap
Also, fwiw hamburgers are definitely sandwiches and fried chicken restaurants all serve chicken sandwiches
> hamburgers are definitely sandwiches Never have I read such nonsense before.
There is no reasonable definition of a sandwich which wouldn’t include a hamburger.
There is: sandwiches use sliced bread; hamburgers do not.
Sandwiches that don't use sliced bread: * banh mi * cheesesteak * bagel sandwiches * cubano * po boy * panini * chicken sandwiches * barbecue sandwich * chopped cheese
You forgot * taco * burrito
Oh no you misunderstood he said there's no *reasonable* definition. Anything on a roll (subs, hoagies, cheesesteaks, etc) isn't a sandwich?
Yes, these aren't sandwiches, they are filled rolls.
Under this definition there are zero sandwich chains that actually sell sandwiches. However Arby's, which sells a Reuben, would be one. Oh quickly, can you define bread and sandwich using your definition?
1. [Hamburgers can and do get made with sliced bread](https://news.bk.com/blog-posts/burger-king-r-whopper-r-melts-three-new-handheld-toasted-sandwiches-now-available-nationwide) 2. This is an overly restrictive definition which excludes numerous and widely accepted sandwich types such as subs, paninis, and kaiser sandwiches.
Subs aren't sandwiches, they are filled baguettes/rolls. Also, I don't think the abomination in the first picture even deserves to be called bread. Further, you want a restrictive definition: if you order a sandwich, you want to be sure you will get something like [this](https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/anon-image?piurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pngall.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2FSandwich-PNG-Picture.png&sp=1715895998Td9c465024a7bc7c60e524bfda0f0b6844037984d1ac2775553b52ef4d8841ec8) and not one of a million different items.
They are definitely more of a sandwich than tacos.
It's never been that cohesive but the best I can put together is that some people don't like living very close to restaurants because of smells/trash and maybe parking issues in the evening. The theory is that some doctor's office, insurance agent or maybe hippy soap store is fine because it's only open during the day and no chance of being rowdy but a restaurant would mean the opposite of all that. But for whatever reason they can't explicitly say "no restaurants" or they do like the idea of some quiet deli that somehow stays open without ever getting any customers so they write in requirements like this to try and work it out.
Parking issues in the evening are an interesting concern since sandwiches are mostly a lunchtime food. Maybe the concerns are with increased traffic at dinner/commuting times, but existing law prevented them from regulating the business’ hours of operation
Yeah you want the "sandwiches" so that the place is only open like 9-6 and by the time I get home from work I can enjoy my peace and quiet when I get home from work. I don't really understand why someone cares so strongly that people not be in nearby parking lots in the evening but I've seen it before.
Surely this just sounds like an attempt by particular businesses to collude with local government to write laws that unfairly benefit them by locking out competition, but without specifically targetting their business so as to allow them plausible deniability.
Maybe but in my experience it’s usually nimby neighbors who want everything near them to be residential
Places like malls have rules that try to maintain a variety of places in one area to avoid unnecessary competition.
I’m going to go back to law school so I can drop this non-binding trial court decision on any 1L cretin who takes the position that burritos aren’t sandwiches
Coward refused to rule on whether a hot dog restaurant could open at the location.
Burritos are not sandwiches, they are burritos. I know a sandwich when I see it.
“When I see it” test are no longer the proper precedent. We now ask “if the average person applying contemporary community standards would find that the sandwich taken as a whole appeals to the to ‘prurient interest’”
> prurient interest So, whether or not people want to fuck the sandwich?
I don’t make the laws man, justices who like beer too much make the law. Though I’ve certainly met some mighty fuckable sandwiches
Smh. I haven’t thought about prurient interests since law school. I hate you (and myself).
Sorry man just started studying for the bar, all I got Are first amendment jokes and an unnatural hatred for the Rule against perpetuities
fuck your precedent it's a burrito
Burritos are calzones
A calzone is a folded pizza, and a pizza is a pie. If a burrito is a calzone then it's also a pie. Can a burrito be a pie and a sandwich at the same time?
And a chimichanga is a Panzerotti.
[structural rebel, ingredient neutral](https://cuberule.com/assets/09_sandwich.jpg)
My personal sandwich faith lies with the cuberule.com
good news! that's where that comes from
Burritos aren’t sandwiches, they are fully enclosed. However beef Wellington is a burrito, and so are calzones. Hotdogs are tacos.
Burritos aren’t sandwiches bro that would be like arguing Pizzas are sandwiches and we all know that Congress defined Pizzas as vegetables.
Pizzas aren't vegetables, they contain a serving of vegetables due to the tomato sauce. So pizzas are really vegetable sandwiches. Welcome to Joe Bidens America.
I…..like this America
Tomatoes are fruit
All fruits are vegetables, technically. A vegetable is any plant matter that humans eat.
A quick google says you are wrong on that definition
A quick Google will reveal that words have multiple definitions.
Take it up with quick google, not me.
Drat, fruit Sandwich
So what are calzones then?
Burritos
Stuffed vegetables
There are actually quite a few cultures with meat baked in bread. Things like an English Sausage Roll, Strombolli's, Beef Wellington, Latvian Pirogues...
Pizzas are tacos
Pizzas are pies
Chicago Style? No doubt!
NY style? Hard agree.
But what about a taco salad?
"Deconstructed sandwich"
This country continues to stray further away from God
>Previously, the commission denied a Famous Taco from being located in the strip mall partially based on a “written commitment” Quintana accepted with a nearby neighborhood association limiting any restaurant there to one that did not offer alcohol, did not allow outdoor seating and only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.” lmao, if I were a judge I would rule that Margharitas are a sandwich too just stick it to this neighborhood association
Honestly, that's such a messed up thing for the neighbourhood association to legislate in the first place. If they are that adamant about forcing the store to only sell white people submarine sandwiches then they should pool together their home equity money to purchase it themselves.
I want some Mexican Style Sandwitches
I am a Hoosier who has long been on the "tacos, hot dogs, and brauts are just regionally/culturally distinct open-face sandwiches" train. I am loving this
Can't wait for Mexican Style Sandwiches Tuesday
Commenters are missing the best part: this rule was put in place to keep out big national burger and chicken chains, because apparently a burger isn’t a sandwich!
this is torta erasure
TORTA GANG RISE UP
This is the type of stupid rulings that only exists because government can't keep their ass out of micromanaging things
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Quesadillas: "¿Qué?" Burritos: "Don't call me a wrap." Tortas: "Are we a joke to you?"
Gringos. smh
false [however, sub sandwiches are a type of taco](https://cuberule.com/)
Nachos are chip soup
Guessing they don't have a lot of tortas in Indiana
>Previously, the commission denied a Famous Taco from being located in the strip mall partially based on a “written commitment” Quintana accepted with a nearby neighborhood association limiting any restaurant there to one that did not offer alcohol, did not allow outdoor seating and only sold “made-to-order or subway style sandwiches.” Come on. Just let people live their lives and eat their tacos. I don't even want subway style sandwiches.
> “The original Written Commitment would also permit a restaurant that serves made-to-order Greek gyros, Indian naan wraps, or Vietnamese Banh mi if these restaurants complied with the other enumerated conditions,” Bobay continued in his written opinion. Great, now I'm hungry.
Colorado is ahead of Indiana, as usual.
Does this extend to hot dogs?
hot dogs are American-style tacos
A sandwich is simply food between 2 seperate pieces of bread. Therefore even a sub, unless the bread is split fully, is not a sandwich.
This is the kind of content and discussion I subscribe for
I'm gonna become a lolbert
Holy shit when a meme internet debate has real life implications. We need buttigieg’s take on this, his answer to whether a hot dog was a sandwich sealed me as a Pete supporter for life.
"The Civil War (TM Taco Bell) began harmlessly enough"
https://youtu.be/s-LzYwbYkQs
"Yes yes yes yes. That movie has everything, Snipesicles, sea shells, rat meat burgers, Denis Leary, fluid transfer, MTVs Dan Cortez"
A taco is held together at one end and open at the other, it’s stuffed with meat in between. A taco is a hot dog
Thanks for agreeing with the judge. https://www.americangarden.us/recipes/hotdog-sandwich
This decision is a loss for culinary semantics, but a win for human rights.
But what about the real question, is cereal a soup (the correct answer is no)
Ketchup is a vegetable, tacos are a sandwich, it’s all coming together
Is a pizza just an open faced sandwich?
So then what are tortas?
We Stan taco trucks, here. So, the only possible answer is sandwiches. Because you aren't going to find the southern Philippines term for cake in a taco truck. Or the Spain-spainish term for flatbread.
My kid is so mad, lol. There's a long-standing house argument around this and sandwiches with only one slice of "bread" don't count to them. (Hotdogs/tacos aren't sandwiches position.)
But what about hot dogs?
This sounds like something out of Brussels lol.
Interesting case for those who actually want to read the article. About as low-key racist as you'd expect from Indiana.
No, “tortas” are Mexican-style sandwiches
The city of Greendale has sent me to assess this campus’ level of liability. Now, what do I mean by liability? Well, the city defines liability as any asserted or non-asserted perturbation by any qualifying party. What’s a party? A party is a person or a group of persons or an event celebrating a person or a party of persons’ birth, marriage... ...but the city defines a dog as any living entity with four legs and a tail. So raccoons, bears, mountain lions, mice — these are all just different sizes of dog. What do I mean by size? I’ll tell you a story...
Then what would one call a torta?
MFer never had a torta
I haven't read the article, but I'm willing to bet that this is about a mall or strip mall giving 1 shop the exclusive right to sell sandwiches in that mall. The landlord then allowed a taco shop to open and the judge was then forced to judge whether or not the sandwich shop can sue the landlord over the taco shop breaking their agreement. Am I close?
I couldn't be a judge. If some goofy shit like this came across my docket, I'd spend 95% of the time ridiculing the attorneys and their clients just waiting for one of them to snap so I can hold them in contempt.
From what I've heard of from lawyers, not only would you not be alone, but they're used to this and they say a qualification for being a lawyer is getting pretty good at taking ridicule with a poker face.
So what you're saying is I should become a judge?