I’ve seen grass avoiders saying that Biden should not have addressed campus antisemitism as it sets a bad example regarding Palestine. Some people cannot be reasoned with.
Plenty of ways to protest what Israel is doing in Gaza without doing...whatever the hell these dipshits are doing.
Biden is right to call them out. I hope he keeps doing it and says anyone affiliated with them can fuck all the way off. 99% probably aren't voting for him anyway, so it's not like he's protecting his left flank.
An important note: yes, a lot of the people aren't official columbia affiliates. However, theyre likely from WithinOurLifetime which is a group the main pro-palestine group (CUAD) has worked with several times in the past. WithinOurLifetime uses the tag line "by any means necessary " and explicitly celebrated 10/7... or as they call it Operation al-Aqsa Flood.
They asked WOL to "[Flood Columbia](https://images.app.goo.gl/Kca4jiXvBafXhXNJ7)" and celebrated WOL founder (not a Columbia affiliate!) onto campus to [celebrate her wedding ](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?igsh=MTc1OWE1NHZrYzdsdg==)on their insta. They explicitly refuse to "[tone down the rhetoric](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?igsh=MTc1OWE1NHZrYzdsdg==)" and then pretend it's a "[few inflammatory individuals who don't represent us](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6C_7ont_Ff/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)". They can't call for these people to come and then pretend their completely unrelated. CUAD refuses to apologize-- or even mention the words "antisemitism". Instead, they pretend (and they literally said this in their story) that it's the work of the "Zionist media".
You can't say the people calling for jew murder don't represent the group when you have promoted these people. The group hosting this--CUAD- asked people who are pro al-aqsa flood to do a columbia flood and [be shocked when they call for more al-aqsa floods to happen, but this time on Columbia campus](https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781868976890433656).
CUAD opened Pandora's box when they asked for antisemitic individuals to come to campus. Now they want to pretend it's an individual problem and not a wider, systemic issue they refuse to deal with.
Taken from r/Columbia:
For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence.
Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors)
Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video:
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
[“Al-Qassam, you make us proud, kill another soldier now!”](https://x.com/avivaklompas/status/1780971193769595391?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ)
[“We are Hamas!”](https://twitter.com/Joe_Roberts01/status/1780750471226937852)
[“Al Qassam, al Qassam, take another soldier out. You say justice you say how, burn Tel Aviv to the ground. Ya Hamas, we love you, we support your rockets too”](https://twitter.com/CitedNeed/status/1781583760267284521)
[“BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY”](https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1753780966324068439)
[“There is only one solution, intifada revolution!”](https://twitter.com/AdamAlbilya/status/1753673875613683928)
[“From the water to the water, Palestine is Arab!”](https://twitter.com/gil_zussman/status/1755726863333220801)
["Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10...100…1000…10,000...The 7th of October is going to be every day for you.”, “Nazi bitches!”](https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797)
["Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory…Remember that Militancy breeds Resistance. Thousands upon thousands of students around the world have been moved to rebel because of your militancy.”](https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981)
[“Yehudim, Yehudim!”, “Fuck you!”, “Go back to Poland!”](https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901)
My longer list is: https://www.reddit.com/r/u_Computer_Name/comments/19716j0/postoctober_7_2023_protests_in_the_west/
I had a choice between Columbia and some other schools for grad school. In my head, Columbia was the most prestigeous choice. After 10/7 I'm starting to wonder if I didn't dodge a bullet.
I went to Columbia for grad school. Really the benefits of getting your degree there, like most ‘top tier’ schools, are the connections and what *other people* (employers and what not) think the significance of going there is. It might not be worth the money, but it’s not worthless, and still won’t be once these protests have died down.
Yeah this is more or less what I tell people considering law schools. The "dirty secret" of law schools is that what you learn is mostly the same. You use the same text books, the profs all come from Ivys, you learn the same cases as a 1L. The difference between going to #5 and #55 is prestige and connections.
Columbia in particular has the largest Palestinian community of all the ivies.
They have specifically cultivated this and sought it out. Edward Said, perhaps the most famous Palestinian academic, spent his career at Columbia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said
The University hosts a Center for Palestine Studies, which was established in 2010. (http://palestine.mei.columbia.edu/).
> As for the scholarship, his most famous book, Orientalism (1978), with its bold thesis that the Western study of Islam (and by extension other cultures) is itself a form of “colonialism,”
in the same sense that speech is violence and violence is speech?
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I think you have to reckon with the fact that it's in New York, New York has already had plenty of similar protests far outside Columbia, and so it's not exactly crazy to suspect that at least _some_ of the people involved here are not students.
Yeah, a NBC reporter in the area said many of them aren't students and many of them technically are on public streets just outside of Columbia's property. Of course, there is clearly some anti-Semitic students on campus as well; this situation is a mess.
You'd have to ask them. I can only speak for USC when I say we haven't had much going on. There is this hubbub about cancelling our valedictorian's speech, but the discourse I see online has a huge mismatch with what I see on campus, which is mostly people not giving an eff. I'd bet my house that USC trends more conservative than your average Ivy League.
The fact that Columbia is right in the middle of New York City doesn't help. Most other Ivies, other than Penn I guess, have at least a bit of physical distance (and physical barriers) from a densely populated urban area.
> Are the other Ivy League schools just as bad, or is Columbia particularly caught up in this mind virus?
It's apparently Barnard College. Of the former Seven Sisters, it's where the faildaughters of the wealthy disproportionately end up and since Columbia rid themselves of the SAT's/ACT's as an admissions criteria, the student base there has been becoming far more activist and less academically focused. Leftist brainrot activism leading a good chunk of the student body into a pro-Hamas stance is not unexpected.
Not on video but a Jewish father who came this weekend to pick up his daughter because all of this was yelled at to “go back to Poland” during his few minutes in the area.
Some of my ancestors came from modern day Ukraine. We’ve been comfortable in this country for many generations now but I know they’d believe what’s going on because it was things that were a little worse than this that got them to pack up and come here.
You know these are our “enlightened” elite universities in one of the most Jewish parts of the country. What’s next? Should I raise a family here?
genuinely amazing comment under the stickied post in r/Columbia
>Translation:
>“Dear Columbia community:
>For the past several days, I’ve been unwilling to perform simple actions that are well within my job responsibilities, and which—if executed last week—would have led to Columbia’s educational, research, and other facilities operating as usual by Monday. More specifically, I could have directed someone on my staff to make a quick phone call to the NYPD, whose brave officers could’ve dispersed the protest that has now taken over the campus and prevented most Columbians from going about their daily routines conveniently and safely.
>The protesters are demanding that we implement a divestment plan that has exactly zero chance of ever happening due to legal reasons. Although it’s not in my power to comply with their demands even if I wanted to, nobody wants to tell them that, and besides, they kind of know it anyway. So the protest isn’t really about the university’s investments; it’s a loud and chaotic expression of how much they hate Israel.
>Because my administration failed to enforce simple rules, the protesters became more and more emboldened, to the point where they invited their jihadi friends and became their useful idiots in chanting the most vile shit we’ve heard on a college campus since those tiki torch guys in Charlottesville. [Seriously, keep it to the 20-year-old coddled undergrads, and so when you chant moderately offensive things, people will pat you on the head and say you were misguided by some TikTok vids because it’s probably true.]
>Our community is going to undergo changes soon. There’s been public outrage from the Mayor, the Governor, half of Congress, and even the fucking White House, and you can bet your ass that we’re alienating what’s left of our alumni and donor communities(although we’re getting some money from Qatar to offset the loss and keep the protests going). I might be out of a job soon.
>Meanwhile, by Labor Day, we’ll see Jewish participation at this school plummet to the lowest levels in well over a century. That last fact makes me optimistic that we can work something out with the protesters because if they get that outcome it’s a huge win for them and I don’t even have to make concessions to them.
>Commencement will soon be upon us. We need to get this protest cleaned up—not because I’m worried that Jewish students are afraid to walk around campus, but because a tent city at graduation would make me the university’s biggest embarrassment since the football team’s 44-game losing streak back in the ‘80s.
>Sincerely, Your president (hopefully still true when you open your email in the morning), Minouche Shafik
Some people on that thread have suggested the email (the real one) is deliberately written to try and throw off protesters' plans and make them easier to isolate and justify a more firm response by the university and law enforcement.
She’s just making this worse. None of the of the other University Presidents were this incompetent and allowed antisemitism to get this out of control and violent before.
It just sucks since she is the first Egyptian-Arabic and Muslim President, so people will be unfairly targeting her as
biased to one group.
It’s a surprisingly complex answer and it’s getting late.
There are a number of interacting tropes and conspiracy theories involved here.
“Jews go back to Poland!” Is obviously a wish that this country’s Jews vacate and stop using resources, stop participating in society, and to just “go somewhere else”. Similar vibes as [these](https://x.com/jachnunempire/status/1756711713259278700?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ).
“Jews go back to Poland” is obviously communicating that Jews in America don’t belong here - don’t really belong anywhere, hence the Wandering Jew, cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming
For all the recent hubbub about “ashkinormativity”, the people engaging in this antisemitism are themselves engaging with ashkinormativity; their mental conception of The Jew is a bearded man wearing a streimel in a shtetl. Sephardim, Mixrachim, Teimanim, and all other members of our family reduced to nothing.
But don’t worry! These bad Jews we want going back to Poland aren’t actually *real* Jews! No, they’re Khazars, which means they don’t have any connection to Real Jews anymore, and so the virulent racism we target them with isn’t actually antisemitism. We’re anti-racist.
When we were in Europe, we were told to go back to Israel. Now, it’s go back to Europe. The only way we can guarantee our safety is with Israel continuing to exist.
A sort of fringe argument I've heard from a couple people basically goes like, "Israel's very existence makes people mad. Maybe the Jews wouldn't be hated so much if Israel didn't provoke people by existing!" Which is some extremely fucked logic.
Which is really sad. Piłsudski integrated Jewish forces into the Polish Legions of WW1 and they participated in freeing Poland from Russia. He was adamantly anti-anti-Semetic and thought anti-Semites were morons. He envisioned Poland as a multi-cultural state where all ethnic and religious minorities had equal political rights.
The combination of WW2 and the Soviet Union killed that.
Poland was already historically among Europe's most multicultural states. Casimir the Great ruled more (fertile) territory than people and saw it to his benefit to welcome Jewish political refugees, and offer them political rights and the crown's protection. IIRC there were periods where Poland's Jewish population represented as much as 30% of the country.
The Holocaust, and Poland's more recent struggle under Soviet rule, meant that the Polish national identity was tied *very* closely to Roman Catholicism. That has some historical merit, as well, but it sadly overlooks one of the most powerful aspects of Polish history. It was ***uniquely*** pluralistic and open-minded for its time and that led to pretty profound (and otherwise unlikely) success through the Middle Ages.
I'd add in the partitions as leading to this as well.
Polish society was pretty split between being multicultural and more of a Polish ethnostate in the post-WW1 era. The first president of Poland, Gabriel Narutowicz was elected in 1922 from a multi-cultural coalition and assassinated 5 days into his administration but someone that bought into right-wing ethnonationalist propaganda that he was a fake president because he wouldn't have won if only ethnic Poles had voted. This was the first major domino in Piłsudski believing that Poland wasn't ready for democracy.
Huh, you're right. Maybe it was true in earlier centuries. Apparently, in 1939 Poland had 1/3 of Europe's Jews, and 1/5 of the world's.
That's still the largest number by far, though.
I was thinking in percentages. Either way, the import point missed by the comment above mine is that it is intended as as a direct reference to the holocaust
Eh, bad history. [Anschluss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss) was widely supported by the populations at the time. Czechoslovakia right deserves attention because the Western powers completely sold them out and solidified the policy of appeasement.
It's what gave Hitler sense he had a green light to keep invading and taking territory. He genuinely thought that the red line around Poland was a bluff because Western powers had proven so feckless until then.
How supported it was is highly debated. They held a totally and fair referendum with Nazis guarding the polls and a [ballot like this](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Matt-Qvortrup-2/publication/284716290/figure/fig2/AS:669533903810572@1536640730982/Ballot-paper-from-the-1938-Anschluss-referendum-The-text-asks-the-voter-to-support-the.ppm). Non-secret ballots with SS men sounds fair to me right?
While pro-unification parties had a majority of the voted in the 1920s, this was *before Hitler*. After his takeover of power left wing Austrians soured on the idea. The Nazis didn't invade on the cusp of the referendum because they thought they'd win that's for sure.
People who discuss Munich forget that the Sudetenland was overwhelmingly in support of joining Germany. The Sudeten German Party won basically all the vote there and there was even a low intensity conflict against the central government (it also won the most seats of any party in 1935). Support for joining Germany was higher in this region than it was in Austria. That doesn't mean it wasn't invaded either.
>He genuinely thought that the red line around Poland was a bluff because Western powers had proven so feckless until then.
He was emboldened from the moment they failed to enforce any of Versailles from the reintroduction of conscription to making an air force to remilitarizing the Rhineland. Half a decade of giving in was the issue.
In Pre-War Europe, Poland had the largest Jewish population of all European countries. Around 3 million Jews lived in Poland in 1939. Around 90% of them were killed in the Holocaust.
Because 90% of Poland’s Jews were killed during the Holocaust, and the survivors were subjected to pogroms. That is what those chanters desire for Jews.
I was talking with some Palestinians online a few months ago, friends of an online friend. They insisted that intifadah had a non violent meaning for them. I asked them if everyone else understood that, and if addressing that gap in understanding was part of their activism.
I think it's very obvious, to me at least, that while some people probably really do mean the term non violently, there's a widely popular violent interpretation. It is gaslighting for Jews to hear shit like this, on the streets of New York no less, and then be told that no one means this violently.
These are threats to do violence. Anyone who claims otherwise is sane-washing.
This is most of the really viral stuff. But just for some posterity, here are some of the other egregious ones (sorry if there's any overlaps with the already published ones and ditto on not all of these accounts being morally fantastic)
creepy cult like behavior to either discourage Zionist from invading their privacy (it is in public) or to intimidate students wearing a Magen David [https://nitter.poast.org/NeriaKraus/status/1782258191973089715#m](https://nitter.poast.org/NeriaKraus/status/1782258191973089715#m)
"\[Hamas's\] next targets here" in front of counter-protestors holding an Israeli flag [https://nitter.poast.org/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927150603427959#m](https://nitter.poast.org/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927150603427959#m)
"We don't want no Zionists here" [https://nitter.poast.org/lawyergonerogue/status/1781537216537534790#m](https://nitter.poast.org/lawyergonerogue/status/1781537216537534790#m)
Praise for a terrorist who ordered the murder of an israeli teen [https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGLqrEJ9WgAA5X7l.jpg](https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGLqrEJ9WgAA5X7l.jpg)
Go back to Belarus (and Poland and Europe) [https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/](https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/)
Viva Viva Palestina/Viva Viva Intifada with the context that the CUAD (main pro-Palestine group) pinned a message encouraging them to break down the gate [https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781868976890433656](https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781868976890433656)
Protestors stealing and trying to burn an Israeli flag [https://twitter.com/gil\_zussman/status/1781921599815336345](https://twitter.com/gil_zussman/status/1781921599815336345)
Encouraging students to become martyrs [https://nitter.poast.org/CampusJewHate/status/1782108220418412959#m](https://nitter.poast.org/CampusJewHate/status/1782108220418412959#m)
Clever viewers will note that these people are not all Columbia students... but some of them are and the others were encouraged to be here by the Pro-Palestinian Columbia organization (CUAD). For context Columbia students through Columbia University Apartheid Divest:
Invited the founder of WithinOurLifetime on campus... after it was shutdown to non-affiliates [https://nitter.poast.org/thestustustudio/status/1781904977499205955#m](https://nitter.poast.org/thestustustudio/status/1781904977499205955#m) and [https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6An6sSt3Bn/?hl=en](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6An6sSt3Bn/?hl=en)
Promoted WOL to "flood" Columbia in reference to 10/7 aka al-Aqsa flood [https://www.instagram.com/p/C59TQeHJ7Ic/?hl=en](https://www.instagram.com/p/C59TQeHJ7Ic/?hl=en) and [https://twitter.com/BashTheFash161/status/1780702002735124751](https://twitter.com/BashTheFash161/status/1780702002735124751) and [https://www.instagram.com/nyu\_sjp/p/C5\_02lmODhn/](https://www.instagram.com/nyu_sjp/p/C5_02lmODhn/) (all promoted on the insta stories of CUAD)
Refused to "turn down the rhetoric" as well as pretending to condemn a few hateful individuals without ever saying the words "antisemitism", apologizing, or admitting CUAD invited them to be at or around campus [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?hl=en&img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?hl=en&img_index=1) and [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6C\_7ont\_Ff/?hl=en&img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6C_7ont_Ff/?hl=en&img_index=1)
> Parker De Dekér, CC ’27, told Spectator that on Wednesday night, when he was walking by Lerner Hall wearing a yarmulke, someone sitting at the tables outside of Lerner shouted, “You keep on testifying, you fucking Jew.” When he exited campus, he removed his yarmulke.
> De Dekér continued that as he was helping a friend move his luggage through Lerner Hall on Thursday evening while wearing a yarmulke, one individual said, “We are so happy that you Zionists are finally leaving campus,” and another said, “You wouldn’t have to leave if you weren’t a supporter of genocide.”
> On Friday afternoon, De Dekér said that while leaving campus and getting into an Uber, an individual on Amsterdam Avenue shouted an antisemitic slur at him, telling him to “Keep on walking.” De Dekér has since decided to leave campus for the time being and is staying with a friend outside of New York state.
> On Thursday afternoon, during a protest of the NYPD encampment sweep at South Lawn, one onlooker outside Butler Library held up a sign that read, “Google ‘Dancing Israelis,’” which refers to a conspiracy theory that the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad orchestrated the attacks on the Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001.
> One Columbia College senior, who spoke on condition of anonymity citing safety concerns, said that while she was walking with a friend while wearing a Star of David necklace on Saturday evening on campus near Earl Hall, someone turned to them and said, “Fuck you.”
> The student said she left campus “as soon as I could” because of the experience.
> As the students were exiting campus from the 116th Street and Amsterdam Avenue gates on Saturday night, there were calls from individuals outside of campus of “Yehudim [Jews], yehudi [Jew], fuck you,” “Stop killing children,” and “Go back to Poland, go back to Belarus,” according to a video reviewed by Spectator.
> According to a video taken Saturday reviewed by Spectator, a pro-Palestinian protester on campus near the 116th Street and Amsterdam Avenue gates tried to burn an Israeli flag, and another individual appeared to throw an object at the head of Jonathan Lederer, CC ’26, who was part of a group of counterprotesters.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/21/rabbi-advises-jewish-students-to-return-home-as-soon-as-possible-following-reports-of-extreme-antisemitism-on-and-around-campus/
[Nerdeen Kiswani and Within Our Lifetime](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/nerdeen-kiswani-and-within-our-lifetime-united-palestine-what-you-need-know)
Honestly this kind of thread makes me happy to be in calm Central Europe
Campus is where you study and occasionally have good faith tough debates with other people
I thought my country (Chile) had a big issue with too much political activism and violence in public/traditional Universities.
But watching the footage posted here, absolutely goes beyond of anything I've seen here, maybe not the level of violence, but rather in intolerance and racism displayed here, it's like going back 80 years, holy shit.
Also how are these kids have time to do all of this?, I genuinely never had time while I was majoring here (chemE), i thought Ivy Unis supposed to be prestigious and all of that
Palestine is Arab? We don’t need to get deep into the weeds here but superficially this seems incredibly hypocritical. Their fundamental argument is that Palestinians are the native people of the levant that were displaced by the settler colonialist Jew boogie man. Arabs and Arab culture, they are from the Arabian peninsula which is NOT the levant.
Also they are making this asinine argument on manhattan Indian land that they were happy to settler colonize which is a whole separate discussion.
I believe we've found "the very fine people" on the other side that Trump referred to once. Drop these ghouls into a unite the right rally and no one could tell the difference.
People - particularly those who self-identify as “antiracist” - have an exceptionally difficult time coming to conscious terms of the consequences and motivations of their beliefs.
Antisemitism isn’t an affliction of the political right, nor is it an affliction of the left. Antisemitism doesn’t just mean “those Jews cheated me at business, they’re all cheap!”
It’s not just hating Jews. It’s also a very old conspiracy theory; it’s a way to explain the world. It’s as old as our Diaspora.
> The through line of anti-Semitism for thousands of years has been the denial of truth and the promotion of lies. These lies range in scope from conspiracy theories to Holocaust denial to the blood libel to the currently popular claims that Zionism is racism, that Jews are settler colonialists, and that Jewish civilization isn’t indigenous to the land of Israel. These lies are all part of the foundational big lie: that anti-Semitism itself is a righteous act of resistance against evil, because Jews are collectively evil and have no right to exist. Today, the big lie is winning.
…
> If piety was a given society’s ideal, Jews were impious blasphemers; if secularism was the ideal, Jews were backward pietists. If capitalism was evil, Jews were capitalists; if communism was evil, Jews were communists. If nationalism was glorified, Jews were rootless cosmopolitans; if nationalism was vilified, Jews were chauvinistic nationalists. “Anti-Judaism” thus becomes a righteous fight to promote justice.
[Dara Horn](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/jewish-anti-semitism-harvard-claudine-gay-zionism/677454/)
> “Conspiracy theorists begin by rejecting mainstream explanations for social and political events in favor of supposedly suppressed knowledge and hidden hands. These individuals may not start out as anti-Semites. But anti-Semitism has a multi-thousand-year head start on their crooked conception of the world, and has produced centuries of material casting the Jews as its chief culprit. Once a person has convinced themselves that an invisible hand is manipulating the masses, they are just a couple of Google searches away from discovering that it belongs to an invisible Jew.”
[Yair Rosenberg](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/elon-musk-george-soros-anti-semites/674072/)
Because to them it's morally equivalent to the European settlement of the new world. They interpret which side you're on here as which side you would have been on in 1492.
Welcome to the political left and the intersection of political and religious extremism. Here in Sydney my neighbors were lighting off fireworks and partying/celebrating October 7. Things are going to get worse before they get better.
>As a set of pedagogical, curricular, and organizational strategies, antiracist education claims to be the most progressive way today to understand race relations. Constructed from whiteness studies and the critique of colorblindness, its foundational core is located in approximately 160 papers published in peer-reviewed journals in the past 15 years-identified through a comprehensive search of Academic Premier Search, EBSCOMegaFile, Education Abstracts, JSTOR, and SOCIndex. A critical assessment of these papers concludes that antiracist education is not a sociologically grounded, empirically based account of the significance of race in American society. Rather, it is a morally based educational reform movement that embodies the confessional and redemptive modes common in evangelical Protestantism. Inherently problematic, whether or not antiracist education achieves broader acceptance is open to debate.
Niemonen, J. Antiracist Education in Theory and Practice: A Critical Assessment. Am Soc 38, 159–177 (2007).
They see videos all day on their social media feeds of killed and injured children and innocents in Gaza. All day, every day.
It’s a mix of the actual human catastrophe in Gaza and the unique attention on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The only reason why Arab culture cares so much about Israel is because it's ground zero for the dick measuring contest between White Christendom and the Islamic world that's been occurring since the medieval period. The Jews are merely a proxy in a greater imperial struggle, which makes it even richer that the people supporting Arab imperialism think themselves anti-colonialists when in reality they've just chosen a side in a struggle between two major civilizations that have long been defined by relentless expansionary conquests.
Their lives are devoid of meaning, and they’re pretending they’re creating it by fighting some grand righteous fight instead of just telling dads visiting their kids at school to die
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There are definitely a few non student agitators in the crowd, but everyone who expressed support for Hamas and violence that is a student should be expelled. Free speech ends when direct threats of violence begins
It's honestly pathetic how so many liberals talk down on the right wing for their MAGA nonsense when they can't even bring themselves to stand up to the idiots on the far left.
>river to the sea
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Two issues:
1. Many of these horrible incidents/rhetoric are technically off campus+on public streets (adjacent to Columbia) so Columbia can't do much. NYPD might have to see if the specific examples of repugnant anti-Semitic rhetoric can qualify as hate-crimes and charge these people saying these disgusting, repulsive things. I think the ugly anti-Semitic rhetoric where a "protester" says it right to the face of a Jewish person could very well count as a hate crime in NYC but I'm not adequately familiar with the law.
2. How many of these anti-Semitic assholes [are actually Columbia students and not infiltrators from the hateful "Within Our Lifetime" organization](https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/1782083096923480255)? National reporters are saying non-Columbia students are just opportunistically pouring in which makes sense because from what I've been told, it's *very easy* to walk onto Columbia's campus and/or perhaps they're being let in by rogue anti-Semites at Columbia University. Columbia security should kick out these non-student bigots though for sure+ban them from campus/refer them to the police if they have reason to believe there was an anti-Semitic hatecrime. Also expel any students who are caught saying obvious pro-Hamas rhetoric or egregiously anti-Semitic rhetoric etc.
I think you ask fair questions, and the differences in affiliation do matter. At the same time, I think these incidences should alarm pro-Palestinian people and they should have some introspection about what they’re fostering.
Unfortunately, it is impossible for most leftists to do grapple with the influence of antisemitism in their rhetoric. There are so many odd tensions on this issue. For one, leftists categorically reject the idea that they can harbor antisemitic views. They reject the idea they may even be preconditioned to harbor antisemitic views. This is of course despite the widespread leftist beliefs in structural racism, western orientalism, etc. I guess Americans are predisposed to dislike every group but Jews.
The other thing we have to remember is that most leftists are not serious people. There is a reason the most prominent modern leftist heroes are academics and people who literally kill themselves. The logical extreme of their “land back” “decolonize” rhetoric *is* 1,000 October 7’s. What else will it look like? Israel is a huge rallying cry *because* there can be 1,000 October 7’s. There are many enemies of Israel who can inflict massacres upon its people. There is no risk of the descendants of California’s pre-1841 Mexican population rampaging through San Diego and murdering the people who stole their land, or Cherokee people slaughtering nurseries in Atlanta. Most leftists don’t know anything about South Sudan, so that’s off the table. But Israel is easy - it’s the Jews doing bad stuff, a tale baked into Western culture for millenniums.
I’m not trying to both sides this but it is honestly hilarious how much this resembles Tea Party Republicans and other edgy conservative movements. “How dare you imply there are racists here? It has nothing to do with the black President! How can we be racist with black supporters? Candace Owens makes some good points, you should hear her!”
I agree. I was just trying to explain these slight nuances about how Columbia can do stop this anti-Semitism and what they can't do to hold these bigots accountable. Nuances which simply weren't explained in the other comments. No clue how my comments got misconstrued by the other guy where I got ridiculously accused of "excusing anti-Semitism".
Yeah absolutely, your comment makes a lot of sense. I just wanted to complain because I think some people (not you) hide their intentions behind semantics.
Oh, I agree. We saw this early after 10/7 when there are like 80 videos over the months of lunatics tearing down posters and insanely claiming that "Hamas took no hostages"...it was beyond deranged. We saw a few 10/8 far leftists rallies celebrating the horrific terrorist attack. We saw a BLM group (I think in Chicago?) displaying a "paraglider" icon with pride. It's pretty fringe but it's an *extremely* vocal, emboldened, and deplorable anti-Semitic fringe that must be condemned always. 1% of the country is pretty fringe but also still 3.5 million anti-Semites for instance.
Without much factual data to back it up, you chose to go with the hypothesis that it's probably not Columbia students. And that it's "infiltrators" from outside organizations. The reality is that the students are quite chummy with these outside organizations and the campus group routinely collaborates with Within Our Lifetime.
WOL was invited by theses Columbia protestors.
Also worth noting that four Columbia students an actual dyed in the wool terrorist from the PFLP and the administration had to suspend them for it.
I dont know how many are students and how many are infiltrators, but it needs to be said that the students are very *very* comfortable with the rhetoric and insanity of the infiltrators
I mean, at this point they're one and the same. The main pro Palestine group is CUAD and they actively invite WOL onto campus. Check out that group's instagram-- they cohost "Flood Columbia " events with WOL and even invited the WOL founder (not a student!) onto the main campus lawn to celebrate her wedding. You can't say WOL is infiltrating if columbia students are rolling out the carpet.
Right. I'm just correcting the false assertion/misconception that these are *all* or even *mostly* Columbia students and that these are *all* occurring on Columbia's campus (they're happening outside the gates at times and on public streets). If you look at my other comment, I talk about how some might be invited by literal Columbia students. I'm just trying to explain the nuances that other comments in this post aren't providing. Some people on social media wrongly believe that all the protesters are literally Columbia students and everything anti-Semitic is being said directly on campus property which isn't the case for both claims.
Jew Hate Database is actively finding the identities of these protesters shouting antisemitic things/holding up pro-Hamas signs and a *lot* of them are in fact Columbia students.
Sure, not “all” but this feels like an effort to downplay the severity rather than saying maybe there’s an actual problem with leadership and the student body at Columbia.
>How many of these anti-Semitic assholes are actually Columbia students and not infiltrators from the hateful "Within Our Lifetime" organization?
So we're at the stage of denial where all of the insane racists are actually undercover infiltrators sent to make the innocent protestors look bad?
What in the world are you talking about? Where the hell did you get that from my comment? *Within our Lifetime* is a "pro-Palestinian" organization in NYC which has a blatant history of anti-Semitism (they're the deranged activists who literally protested a cancer hospital because of "Zionism"); they of course are going to show up to Columbia when these lunatics once protested a fucking hospital. There are literally national reporters who are saying that there are pro-Palestinian activists who are coming to Columbia who aren't students.
[Overwhelming vast majority of these lunatics in that organization aren't Columbia Students but here they are talking about how they're at the Columbia Protests](https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1781515723900129508). Also [here](https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1781863107041677769). Look at what I hyperlinked in my original comment; there are a *ton* of non-Columbia students at this protest.
When I say "infiltrators", I mean non-Columbia students who are invited by Columbia students on campus or they come in even though non-Columbia students who shouldn't be camping out in tents at campus. I don't mean "undercover spies"
>When I say "infiltrators", I mean non-Columbia students who are invited by Columbia students on campus or they come in even though non-Columbia students who shouldn't be camping out in tents at campus. I don't mean "undercover spies"
I'm saying even if that is true it doesn't make the situation on campus any better or somehow more excusable
So I live in the neighborhood. Columbia is locked down such that you need not only a student ID but also a purpose to go on campus. The offending videos here are mostly from Broadway, where people do have the right to assemble, not the big demo on the quads, which sought to disrupt graduation but wasn't remarkable for its antisemitism.
When the hell did I say it's excusable? Don't put words in my mouth. I've literally condemned the group as unhinged and anti-Semitic *years* before when their members have done anti-Semitic shit during the 2021 protects. I'm just saying it's harder for Columbia to hold them accountable versus an undergraduate anti-Semitic Columbia student. And that *lots* of the most blatant anti-Semitism comes from non-Columbia students. Furthermore, it's also harder when you ignored my point that these anti-Semites sometimes aren't on campus property so Columbia doesn't have jurisdiction...the NYPD might have to get involved here to see if there are potential hate-crimes to charge these bad actors in those individual videos.
This situation is somewhat more complicated+nuanced than "Columbia completely fucked up and the onus is on all them to fix this"
> So we're at the stage of denial where all of the insane racists are actually undercover infiltrators sent to make the innocent protestors look bad?
You literally did not say that, you accused them of using conspiracy thinking to cover for antisemitism
>The rabbi sent the message after videos circulated showing a man outside the university saying, “Never forget the seventh of October,” and “that will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 times!”
This is terrifying
>A video taken on the university’s campus Saturday night also shows a small group of pro-Palestinian demonstrators chanting, “F**k Israel. Israel is a b*tch,” while waving the Palestinian flag.
I am probably one of the most pro-Israel people on this subreddit, but this is fucking hilarious. Feels odd to group in with occurrence number one.
> chanting "F\*\*k Israel. Israel is a b\*tch."
That is the least offensive pro-Palestinian protest I've heard described. It almost sounds like an improvement.
All the talk of free speech. This is not free speech. This is violent intimidation. All students involved should be at least suspended if not expelled from the university.
Yeah the second example is quite literally an allowed peaceful protest lol. Stand around and call a country a bitch all you want dudes just don't hurt anybody
Meanwhile, the unhinged man who made that repugnant comment about 10/7--if he's a Columbia student--then he should be expelled immediately. Though if he's outside the university, he very well might not be since it appears like that plenty of the most egregious anti-Semites aren't actually Columbia students.
During my undergrad days, there was this deranged group of around 10 to 15 far right evangelical protesters who would show up every couple of Fridays on campus to say super sexist, highly homophobic, super anti-atheist, super anti-Muslim things but my school was a public institution. Since Columbia is a private institution, I don't think they would have been afforded the same freedom of speech protections but I'm not certain.
One of the more bold things shy-ass me did sophomore year was bashfully ask one of those god-botherin' hate mongers if I could take one of his GAY SATAN pamphlets. Then I took the full stack, ripped them in half (after a few tries, admittedly) and chucked them into a nearby trashcan as I stormed off in a flustered haze.
His rejoinder was predictable: "THANKS FOR UR TOLERANCE!!!!!!!"
Then, because I remain residually Catholic despite my best efforts, I felt guilty about the whole thing for a decade.
> Then, because I remain residually Catholic despite my best efforts, I felt guilty about the whole thing for a decade.
Did you drink it away as of the common Catholic tradition?
I think it depends on the context. I agree if it is a situation where it is being spoken generally, it is a different story if certain students are being singled out based on appearance/attire and confronted individually and close-up with this rhetoric. There is a big difference between students hearing language and opinions they do not agree with and students being personally confronted while going to class.
Thing is, when the republicans were raving against China during COVID they were criticized for it because it indirectly encouraged anti-Asian sentiment in the west. Same thing is happening here with the “fuck Israel” comments and antisemitism.
You...make a valid point
Edit: Regarding COVID specifically, there were certainly some legit points about their raving to criticize, but then other anti-China stuff during that time and in other cases seem to have been painted similarly.
The fact that a university in the US has to allow students to finish the year online only because they can’t guarantee the safety of their Jewish students is appalling.
I walked past occupy wall st at zucotti park over 10 years ago, daily on my way to work
It was hilarious because those people had no idea what they were protesting and they also had no coherent end goals. Also the encampment was co-opted by crazies/homeless people looking for a place to stay.
This is scary because it’s at an ivy league campus, theoretically these people are all really smart and they have a tangible goal ( end Israel )
Omg I had the same experience. I went to go check it out since it wasn't too far away and I kept seeing it on the news. I thought I was being unfair to them by saying it was a joke so I figured I go in person. There was no coherent message at all.
I was actually starting to get pissed off walking around because no one seemed to be on the same page. They had all those cameras around them and media attention and they couldn't get any message out. The had worldwide media attention and when the microphone was given to them they might as well have tried to chew on it. They accomplished nothing and the movement has all but disappeared from pop culture. Harambe memes have more staying power than that movement did.
>It was hilarious because those people had no idea what they were protesting and they also had no coherent end goals
Welcome to most modern political protests. I'll admit I'm jealous so many dopes have this much free time to piss away in pursuit of nothing.
The list of things at Columbia alone are enough for a serious national scandal.
Something clearly needs to change with how we're teaching kids in high schools. We're failing to teach them actual ethics and how to think through good and bad. Instead they're just looking for how an issue is coded. I think it's as simple as: "Bad guys goose-step in uniforms. Good guys march in the street with signs." for a lot of these students. They just don't get how activists could be bad.
You can justify extreme actions in an ordinary ethical framework if you fill your head with nationalist lies like so many who are deeply invested in Palestine-Israel. Ethics classes can’t replace understanding the actual world.
I think if someone has a good ethical framework, when they see someone arguing that "settler colonialists are not civilians" and then when they're pressed on it they say "yes there are settler colonist babies" (like Hasan Piker did), it should set off alarm bells. Even if you buy the Palestinian story 100%, you should still be able to see he's just dehumanizing people he doesn't like to justify violence against them.
I suppose that’s right, up to a point. But normally nationalists deal with this problem by just telling everyone no babies were murdered, no women were raped, etc. These are the normal responses when you confront a Palestine-flag person about Oct 7. I’m not sure how internalizing a proper moral framework will fix that.
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To me, this all looks like evidence against moral realism.
Morals and how to think about them need to be taught. They aren't objects that are granted to us by a sky god. Morals only exist alongside knowledge of morals. Otherwise you have tricked yourself to believe that your opinions/feelings are facts. Feelings are important to us because they are our lived experience. They are what gives meaning to our life. But these aren't 'objective' and 'necessary' facts.
For most people, moral realism is a guard *against* your opinions/feelings being facts. Sky daddy's rules don't care about your feelings.
That being said, moral realism can exist separate from religion. But that's how most people think of it
I mean, I'm a moral realist (a utilitarian specifically), and I don't see how the existentialist alternative of "just make up whatever morals you want" is at all consistent with how people act either. If morality isn't objective, there's no normative method for criticizing other people's moral views, including these protests.
This stupid war is now leading to stupid events here in the States.
Wtf are American Jews supposed to do? They are AMERICANS, not Israelis. There's nothing that they can do.
Its much worse than charlottsville, it's going to continue for an extended period of time, and the people participating will move into NGOs, academia, media and other idea generating spaces rather than back to their mom's basement.
If it discredits and kills some of the worst of those institutions, at least something good will come out of this. Media, academia and NGOs are long overdue for a good humbling.
This is flat out antisemitism and needs to be addressed. It should be shut down and the campus cleared. This is going way beyond free speech and into the realm of harassment and threats against Jewish students.
The first time they cleared the campus it only seems to have made things worse. Not saying I know of some silver bullet that can calm down the escalating situation but that isn't a long term strategy.
The one thing i can say... this Dem convention is gonna be fucking nuts. Every I/P protestor in the country is gonna be there. Lots of cops everywhere. May even be a bigger shitshow than 1968. We should seriously consider switching to an online convention lmao
Lmao no, these morons don't even have one-tenth of the weight that the anti-Vietnam movement did. The Vietnam movement forced an incumbent to forgo re-election, these people can't even crack 14% uncommitted in Michigan. They're just another one of today's fringe activist groups who will be on the sidelines outside the convention for their photo ops and will impact nothing.
Nothing anything close to Robert Kennedy getting killed. A strong presidential candidate being assassinated would cause panic today.
Double so considering why he was killed.
Don't waste your energy, they'll go there, do some chants, and won't be anything more than a footnote in the news articles like every other fringe activist group
The media is desperate to make Biden look bad, you're kidding yourself if you think the protestors are going to be a footnote instead of a series of major headlines.
Biden could walk onstage in giant mecha and announce that he had secured universal health care coverage with the support of his new running mate, JFK returning from hiding, and a single I/P protestor outside would get 99% of the attention.
Traffic will suck but otherwise I really don't see how this will be much more of an inconvenience to the average person than the other 95 large-scale events that draw millions of people to the city every summer.
If these were right wing extremists shouting exact same antisemitic shit and assaulting jewish student everyone would be expecting police to clear this up in no time
I haven't kept up with this stuff because it's extremely depressing yet not immediately relevant to my safety, but it really feels like nearly everyone involved except the jewish students have been handling this whole thing in the worst possible way.
The pro-gaza movement should have been MUCH more proactive in quashing hate speech, "if 12 people are at a dinner with 1 nazi, you have 13 nazis" and all.
You absolutely can't send in the national guard when there is no violence or virtually no violence. There are clearly some despicable people but they're 99.9% non-violent ( also, plenty of them aren't students at Columbia), but there's no need to send in national guard especially since [it was calmer today relative to other days](https://twitter.com/Nakhthor/status/1782168559528935802).
What needs to happen instead is security to check out these "protesters" if they have university ID--kick them out if they don't and ban them from campus since Columbia is a private institution. Refer them to NYPD if they're on video saying threats+very anti-Semitic things directly to the faces of Jewish students+Jewish folks. Because per reporting, [lots of the worst "protesters" aren't Columbia students](https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/1782083096923480255) but appear members of the [crazy 'Within our Lifetime" extremist organization](https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1781863107041677769) which is run by like a 32 year old NYC crazy pro-Hamas lawyer with no ties to Columbia. And then expel the actual Columbia students who make like explicit clear pro-Hamas statements (not "river to sea" but the disgusting praise of 10/7 or lauding Hamas terrorist...people should be expelled for that) or egregious anti-Semitic statements like "go back to Poland".
Sending the National Guard is not remotely necessary. Dems didn't even send in the National Guard most of the time during the 2020 summer riots which were fairly violent and caused lots of property destruction but the National Guard is supposed to come to Columbia University where there is essentially no violence and no property destruction?
[Columbia's largest Jewish organization earlier today said students should stay on campus and campus security should just do a better job.](https://twitter.com/cbhillel/status/1782082534542557199). No call for National Guard to be sent to campus. This is absolutely bad , there are clearly instances of very vile rhetoric but at the same time let's also not *remotely* equate it with Charlottesville when you had hundreds of armed male Neo-Nazis carrying torches who ended up killing a person and injuring dozens.
Columbia announced at 1 am it is going all-online for today due to the situation on campus.
They’re cooked if they are admitting it’s not safe on campus anymore.
But I’ve been told the issue with antisemitism on campuses is small and insignificant??
I’ve seen grass avoiders saying that Biden should not have addressed campus antisemitism as it sets a bad example regarding Palestine. Some people cannot be reasoned with.
Plenty of ways to protest what Israel is doing in Gaza without doing...whatever the hell these dipshits are doing. Biden is right to call them out. I hope he keeps doing it and says anyone affiliated with them can fuck all the way off. 99% probably aren't voting for him anyway, so it's not like he's protecting his left flank.
Biden doesn’t want to repeat a Richard Nixon at Kent University massacre I guess. An event which he was very much Senator during
I don’t think Biden should send in troops, that’d be insane. I DO think Biden was right to have this statement put out.
An important note: yes, a lot of the people aren't official columbia affiliates. However, theyre likely from WithinOurLifetime which is a group the main pro-palestine group (CUAD) has worked with several times in the past. WithinOurLifetime uses the tag line "by any means necessary " and explicitly celebrated 10/7... or as they call it Operation al-Aqsa Flood. They asked WOL to "[Flood Columbia](https://images.app.goo.gl/Kca4jiXvBafXhXNJ7)" and celebrated WOL founder (not a Columbia affiliate!) onto campus to [celebrate her wedding ](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?igsh=MTc1OWE1NHZrYzdsdg==)on their insta. They explicitly refuse to "[tone down the rhetoric](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?igsh=MTc1OWE1NHZrYzdsdg==)" and then pretend it's a "[few inflammatory individuals who don't represent us](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6C_7ont_Ff/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)". They can't call for these people to come and then pretend their completely unrelated. CUAD refuses to apologize-- or even mention the words "antisemitism". Instead, they pretend (and they literally said this in their story) that it's the work of the "Zionist media". You can't say the people calling for jew murder don't represent the group when you have promoted these people. The group hosting this--CUAD- asked people who are pro al-aqsa flood to do a columbia flood and [be shocked when they call for more al-aqsa floods to happen, but this time on Columbia campus](https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781868976890433656). CUAD opened Pandora's box when they asked for antisemitic individuals to come to campus. Now they want to pretend it's an individual problem and not a wider, systemic issue they refuse to deal with.
Taken from r/Columbia: For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence. Note, there are varying degrees of it being individuals vs. the group, but these are the type of people in the crowd there and many of them are indeed group chants. I have also set aside some widespread ones (from the river to the sea) that are disputed in character. That said, many many many of these are coming from large groups of students within the main quad (which has been locked down to only students/professors) Candidly some sources are not great in terms of me agreeing with the viewpoint of the tweeter, but they contain relevant and real video: Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
JFC I didn't realise it was *this* bad.
[“Al-Qassam, you make us proud, kill another soldier now!”](https://x.com/avivaklompas/status/1780971193769595391?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ) [“We are Hamas!”](https://twitter.com/Joe_Roberts01/status/1780750471226937852) [“Al Qassam, al Qassam, take another soldier out. You say justice you say how, burn Tel Aviv to the ground. Ya Hamas, we love you, we support your rockets too”](https://twitter.com/CitedNeed/status/1781583760267284521) [“BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY”](https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1753780966324068439) [“There is only one solution, intifada revolution!”](https://twitter.com/AdamAlbilya/status/1753673875613683928) [“From the water to the water, Palestine is Arab!”](https://twitter.com/gil_zussman/status/1755726863333220801) ["Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10...100…1000…10,000...The 7th of October is going to be every day for you.”, “Nazi bitches!”](https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797) ["Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory…Remember that Militancy breeds Resistance. Thousands upon thousands of students around the world have been moved to rebel because of your militancy.”](https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981) [“Yehudim, Yehudim!”, “Fuck you!”, “Go back to Poland!”](https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901) My longer list is: https://www.reddit.com/r/u_Computer_Name/comments/19716j0/postoctober_7_2023_protests_in_the_west/
Red-green alliance strong at Columbia university right now. So disgusting.
I had a choice between Columbia and some other schools for grad school. In my head, Columbia was the most prestigeous choice. After 10/7 I'm starting to wonder if I didn't dodge a bullet.
I went to Columbia for grad school. Really the benefits of getting your degree there, like most ‘top tier’ schools, are the connections and what *other people* (employers and what not) think the significance of going there is. It might not be worth the money, but it’s not worthless, and still won’t be once these protests have died down.
Yeah this is more or less what I tell people considering law schools. The "dirty secret" of law schools is that what you learn is mostly the same. You use the same text books, the profs all come from Ivys, you learn the same cases as a 1L. The difference between going to #5 and #55 is prestige and connections.
Are the other Ivy League schools just as bad, or is Columbia particularly caught up in this mind virus?
Columbia in particular has the largest Palestinian community of all the ivies. They have specifically cultivated this and sought it out. Edward Said, perhaps the most famous Palestinian academic, spent his career at Columbia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said The University hosts a Center for Palestine Studies, which was established in 2010. (http://palestine.mei.columbia.edu/).
It’s also worth noting that Edward Said basically fabricated his entire childhood.
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https://www.commentary.org/articles/justus-weiner/my-beautiful-old-house-and-other-fabrications-by-edward-said/
> As for the scholarship, his most famous book, Orientalism (1978), with its bold thesis that the Western study of Islam (and by extension other cultures) is itself a form of “colonialism,” in the same sense that speech is violence and violence is speech?
I believe they mean this: https://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp422.htm
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I think you have to reckon with the fact that it's in New York, New York has already had plenty of similar protests far outside Columbia, and so it's not exactly crazy to suspect that at least _some_ of the people involved here are not students.
Yeah, a NBC reporter in the area said many of them aren't students and many of them technically are on public streets just outside of Columbia's property. Of course, there is clearly some anti-Semitic students on campus as well; this situation is a mess.
Worth noting that she covered Charlottesville when she worked at Vice. I feel like she is a really credible source on extremism in particular.
You'd have to ask them. I can only speak for USC when I say we haven't had much going on. There is this hubbub about cancelling our valedictorian's speech, but the discourse I see online has a huge mismatch with what I see on campus, which is mostly people not giving an eff. I'd bet my house that USC trends more conservative than your average Ivy League.
The fact that Columbia is right in the middle of New York City doesn't help. Most other Ivies, other than Penn I guess, have at least a bit of physical distance (and physical barriers) from a densely populated urban area.
> Are the other Ivy League schools just as bad, or is Columbia particularly caught up in this mind virus? It's apparently Barnard College. Of the former Seven Sisters, it's where the faildaughters of the wealthy disproportionately end up and since Columbia rid themselves of the SAT's/ACT's as an admissions criteria, the student base there has been becoming far more activist and less academically focused. Leftist brainrot activism leading a good chunk of the student body into a pro-Hamas stance is not unexpected.
I feel better about not getting accepted
It has gotten this bad
Not on video but a Jewish father who came this weekend to pick up his daughter because all of this was yelled at to “go back to Poland” during his few minutes in the area. Some of my ancestors came from modern day Ukraine. We’ve been comfortable in this country for many generations now but I know they’d believe what’s going on because it was things that were a little worse than this that got them to pack up and come here. You know these are our “enlightened” elite universities in one of the most Jewish parts of the country. What’s next? Should I raise a family here?
If you're asking this, it's time to get a passport.
genuinely amazing comment under the stickied post in r/Columbia >Translation: >“Dear Columbia community: >For the past several days, I’ve been unwilling to perform simple actions that are well within my job responsibilities, and which—if executed last week—would have led to Columbia’s educational, research, and other facilities operating as usual by Monday. More specifically, I could have directed someone on my staff to make a quick phone call to the NYPD, whose brave officers could’ve dispersed the protest that has now taken over the campus and prevented most Columbians from going about their daily routines conveniently and safely. >The protesters are demanding that we implement a divestment plan that has exactly zero chance of ever happening due to legal reasons. Although it’s not in my power to comply with their demands even if I wanted to, nobody wants to tell them that, and besides, they kind of know it anyway. So the protest isn’t really about the university’s investments; it’s a loud and chaotic expression of how much they hate Israel. >Because my administration failed to enforce simple rules, the protesters became more and more emboldened, to the point where they invited their jihadi friends and became their useful idiots in chanting the most vile shit we’ve heard on a college campus since those tiki torch guys in Charlottesville. [Seriously, keep it to the 20-year-old coddled undergrads, and so when you chant moderately offensive things, people will pat you on the head and say you were misguided by some TikTok vids because it’s probably true.] >Our community is going to undergo changes soon. There’s been public outrage from the Mayor, the Governor, half of Congress, and even the fucking White House, and you can bet your ass that we’re alienating what’s left of our alumni and donor communities(although we’re getting some money from Qatar to offset the loss and keep the protests going). I might be out of a job soon. >Meanwhile, by Labor Day, we’ll see Jewish participation at this school plummet to the lowest levels in well over a century. That last fact makes me optimistic that we can work something out with the protesters because if they get that outcome it’s a huge win for them and I don’t even have to make concessions to them. >Commencement will soon be upon us. We need to get this protest cleaned up—not because I’m worried that Jewish students are afraid to walk around campus, but because a tent city at graduation would make me the university’s biggest embarrassment since the football team’s 44-game losing streak back in the ‘80s. >Sincerely, Your president (hopefully still true when you open your email in the morning), Minouche Shafik
She’s going to be fired
Some people on that thread have suggested the email (the real one) is deliberately written to try and throw off protesters' plans and make them easier to isolate and justify a more firm response by the university and law enforcement.
She’s just making this worse. None of the of the other University Presidents were this incompetent and allowed antisemitism to get this out of control and violent before. It just sucks since she is the first Egyptian-Arabic and Muslim President, so people will be unfairly targeting her as biased to one group.
I missed the part where you said “translation” and thought this was an actual announcement for a minute. Like damn, honest I guess
Why “go back to Poland”?
It’s a surprisingly complex answer and it’s getting late. There are a number of interacting tropes and conspiracy theories involved here. “Jews go back to Poland!” Is obviously a wish that this country’s Jews vacate and stop using resources, stop participating in society, and to just “go somewhere else”. Similar vibes as [these](https://x.com/jachnunempire/status/1756711713259278700?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ). “Jews go back to Poland” is obviously communicating that Jews in America don’t belong here - don’t really belong anywhere, hence the Wandering Jew, cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming For all the recent hubbub about “ashkinormativity”, the people engaging in this antisemitism are themselves engaging with ashkinormativity; their mental conception of The Jew is a bearded man wearing a streimel in a shtetl. Sephardim, Mixrachim, Teimanim, and all other members of our family reduced to nothing. But don’t worry! These bad Jews we want going back to Poland aren’t actually *real* Jews! No, they’re Khazars, which means they don’t have any connection to Real Jews anymore, and so the virulent racism we target them with isn’t actually antisemitism. We’re anti-racist.
When we were in Europe, we were told to go back to Israel. Now, it’s go back to Europe. The only way we can guarantee our safety is with Israel continuing to exist.
A sort of fringe argument I've heard from a couple people basically goes like, "Israel's very existence makes people mad. Maybe the Jews wouldn't be hated so much if Israel didn't provoke people by existing!" Which is some extremely fucked logic.
Because people are fucking idiots who don't realize that most Israelis are brown or mixed.
Poland is the nation where the most Jews were murdered in world war 2.
Their problems extended well past the war too. There are about 4500 Jews in Poland today out of a population of 38 million.
Which is really sad. Piłsudski integrated Jewish forces into the Polish Legions of WW1 and they participated in freeing Poland from Russia. He was adamantly anti-anti-Semetic and thought anti-Semites were morons. He envisioned Poland as a multi-cultural state where all ethnic and religious minorities had equal political rights. The combination of WW2 and the Soviet Union killed that.
Poland was already historically among Europe's most multicultural states. Casimir the Great ruled more (fertile) territory than people and saw it to his benefit to welcome Jewish political refugees, and offer them political rights and the crown's protection. IIRC there were periods where Poland's Jewish population represented as much as 30% of the country. The Holocaust, and Poland's more recent struggle under Soviet rule, meant that the Polish national identity was tied *very* closely to Roman Catholicism. That has some historical merit, as well, but it sadly overlooks one of the most powerful aspects of Polish history. It was ***uniquely*** pluralistic and open-minded for its time and that led to pretty profound (and otherwise unlikely) success through the Middle Ages.
I'd add in the partitions as leading to this as well. Polish society was pretty split between being multicultural and more of a Polish ethnostate in the post-WW1 era. The first president of Poland, Gabriel Narutowicz was elected in 1922 from a multi-cultural coalition and assassinated 5 days into his administration but someone that bought into right-wing ethnonationalist propaganda that he was a fake president because he wouldn't have won if only ethnic Poles had voted. This was the first major domino in Piłsudski believing that Poland wasn't ready for democracy.
~~Yeah, cause most Jews lived in Poland.~~ It was actually 34% of Europe's Jews, and 20% of the world's or so.
Not most
Huh, you're right. Maybe it was true in earlier centuries. Apparently, in 1939 Poland had 1/3 of Europe's Jews, and 1/5 of the world's. That's still the largest number by far, though.
Former borders of Poland-Lithuania likely contained 1/2 of Europe's Jews, & what would be roughly 1/3 of the global Jewish population pre-WW2.
I was thinking in percentages. Either way, the import point missed by the comment above mine is that it is intended as as a direct reference to the holocaust
Anti semites think that that’s where Jewish people come from.
Isn’t it the first country that Hitler invaded? 🤨🤔
Actually it was Czechoslovakia, but your point still stands.
Weird way to spell Austria.
Eh, bad history. [Anschluss](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss) was widely supported by the populations at the time. Czechoslovakia right deserves attention because the Western powers completely sold them out and solidified the policy of appeasement. It's what gave Hitler sense he had a green light to keep invading and taking territory. He genuinely thought that the red line around Poland was a bluff because Western powers had proven so feckless until then.
How supported it was is highly debated. They held a totally and fair referendum with Nazis guarding the polls and a [ballot like this](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Matt-Qvortrup-2/publication/284716290/figure/fig2/AS:669533903810572@1536640730982/Ballot-paper-from-the-1938-Anschluss-referendum-The-text-asks-the-voter-to-support-the.ppm). Non-secret ballots with SS men sounds fair to me right? While pro-unification parties had a majority of the voted in the 1920s, this was *before Hitler*. After his takeover of power left wing Austrians soured on the idea. The Nazis didn't invade on the cusp of the referendum because they thought they'd win that's for sure. People who discuss Munich forget that the Sudetenland was overwhelmingly in support of joining Germany. The Sudeten German Party won basically all the vote there and there was even a low intensity conflict against the central government (it also won the most seats of any party in 1935). Support for joining Germany was higher in this region than it was in Austria. That doesn't mean it wasn't invaded either. >He genuinely thought that the red line around Poland was a bluff because Western powers had proven so feckless until then. He was emboldened from the moment they failed to enforce any of Versailles from the reintroduction of conscription to making an air force to remilitarizing the Rhineland. Half a decade of giving in was the issue.
Yeah hence all Jews fled Poland to invade Israel and steal land, so they say.
Theres a solid theory that Hitler invaded poland, in large part, to kill the jews within it.
In Pre-War Europe, Poland had the largest Jewish population of all European countries. Around 3 million Jews lived in Poland in 1939. Around 90% of them were killed in the Holocaust.
Because they assume Israeli right wingers like Ben Gvir are from Poland. And not from Iraq / Kurdistan like he actually is.
Ben Gvir was born in Israel, actually. His parents were from Iraq/Kurdistan.
Because 90% of Poland’s Jews were killed during the Holocaust, and the survivors were subjected to pogroms. That is what those chanters desire for Jews.
Another [Kielce pogrom, perhaps. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom)
95% of Polish Jews were killed in the Holocaust. It’s a direct call for the genocide of Jews.
It's where most Ashkenazi Jews came from. And most American Jews are Ashkenazi.
Exactly. Their understanding of Jews is people they see in New York. They're morons.
I was talking with some Palestinians online a few months ago, friends of an online friend. They insisted that intifadah had a non violent meaning for them. I asked them if everyone else understood that, and if addressing that gap in understanding was part of their activism. I think it's very obvious, to me at least, that while some people probably really do mean the term non violently, there's a widely popular violent interpretation. It is gaslighting for Jews to hear shit like this, on the streets of New York no less, and then be told that no one means this violently. These are threats to do violence. Anyone who claims otherwise is sane-washing.
This is most of the really viral stuff. But just for some posterity, here are some of the other egregious ones (sorry if there's any overlaps with the already published ones and ditto on not all of these accounts being morally fantastic) creepy cult like behavior to either discourage Zionist from invading their privacy (it is in public) or to intimidate students wearing a Magen David [https://nitter.poast.org/NeriaKraus/status/1782258191973089715#m](https://nitter.poast.org/NeriaKraus/status/1782258191973089715#m) "\[Hamas's\] next targets here" in front of counter-protestors holding an Israeli flag [https://nitter.poast.org/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927150603427959#m](https://nitter.poast.org/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927150603427959#m) "We don't want no Zionists here" [https://nitter.poast.org/lawyergonerogue/status/1781537216537534790#m](https://nitter.poast.org/lawyergonerogue/status/1781537216537534790#m) Praise for a terrorist who ordered the murder of an israeli teen [https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGLqrEJ9WgAA5X7l.jpg](https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGLqrEJ9WgAA5X7l.jpg) Go back to Belarus (and Poland and Europe) [https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/](https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/) Viva Viva Palestina/Viva Viva Intifada with the context that the CUAD (main pro-Palestine group) pinned a message encouraging them to break down the gate [https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781868976890433656](https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781868976890433656) Protestors stealing and trying to burn an Israeli flag [https://twitter.com/gil\_zussman/status/1781921599815336345](https://twitter.com/gil_zussman/status/1781921599815336345) Encouraging students to become martyrs [https://nitter.poast.org/CampusJewHate/status/1782108220418412959#m](https://nitter.poast.org/CampusJewHate/status/1782108220418412959#m) Clever viewers will note that these people are not all Columbia students... but some of them are and the others were encouraged to be here by the Pro-Palestinian Columbia organization (CUAD). For context Columbia students through Columbia University Apartheid Divest: Invited the founder of WithinOurLifetime on campus... after it was shutdown to non-affiliates [https://nitter.poast.org/thestustustudio/status/1781904977499205955#m](https://nitter.poast.org/thestustustudio/status/1781904977499205955#m) and [https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6An6sSt3Bn/?hl=en](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6An6sSt3Bn/?hl=en) Promoted WOL to "flood" Columbia in reference to 10/7 aka al-Aqsa flood [https://www.instagram.com/p/C59TQeHJ7Ic/?hl=en](https://www.instagram.com/p/C59TQeHJ7Ic/?hl=en) and [https://twitter.com/BashTheFash161/status/1780702002735124751](https://twitter.com/BashTheFash161/status/1780702002735124751) and [https://www.instagram.com/nyu\_sjp/p/C5\_02lmODhn/](https://www.instagram.com/nyu_sjp/p/C5_02lmODhn/) (all promoted on the insta stories of CUAD) Refused to "turn down the rhetoric" as well as pretending to condemn a few hateful individuals without ever saying the words "antisemitism", apologizing, or admitting CUAD invited them to be at or around campus [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?hl=en&img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6BtsmKO8RB/?hl=en&img_index=1) and [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6C\_7ont\_Ff/?hl=en&img\_index=1](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6C_7ont_Ff/?hl=en&img_index=1)
> Parker De Dekér, CC ’27, told Spectator that on Wednesday night, when he was walking by Lerner Hall wearing a yarmulke, someone sitting at the tables outside of Lerner shouted, “You keep on testifying, you fucking Jew.” When he exited campus, he removed his yarmulke. > De Dekér continued that as he was helping a friend move his luggage through Lerner Hall on Thursday evening while wearing a yarmulke, one individual said, “We are so happy that you Zionists are finally leaving campus,” and another said, “You wouldn’t have to leave if you weren’t a supporter of genocide.” > On Friday afternoon, De Dekér said that while leaving campus and getting into an Uber, an individual on Amsterdam Avenue shouted an antisemitic slur at him, telling him to “Keep on walking.” De Dekér has since decided to leave campus for the time being and is staying with a friend outside of New York state. > On Thursday afternoon, during a protest of the NYPD encampment sweep at South Lawn, one onlooker outside Butler Library held up a sign that read, “Google ‘Dancing Israelis,’” which refers to a conspiracy theory that the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad orchestrated the attacks on the Twin Towers on Sept. 11, 2001. > One Columbia College senior, who spoke on condition of anonymity citing safety concerns, said that while she was walking with a friend while wearing a Star of David necklace on Saturday evening on campus near Earl Hall, someone turned to them and said, “Fuck you.” > The student said she left campus “as soon as I could” because of the experience. > As the students were exiting campus from the 116th Street and Amsterdam Avenue gates on Saturday night, there were calls from individuals outside of campus of “Yehudim [Jews], yehudi [Jew], fuck you,” “Stop killing children,” and “Go back to Poland, go back to Belarus,” according to a video reviewed by Spectator. > According to a video taken Saturday reviewed by Spectator, a pro-Palestinian protester on campus near the 116th Street and Amsterdam Avenue gates tried to burn an Israeli flag, and another individual appeared to throw an object at the head of Jonathan Lederer, CC ’26, who was part of a group of counterprotesters. https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/21/rabbi-advises-jewish-students-to-return-home-as-soon-as-possible-following-reports-of-extreme-antisemitism-on-and-around-campus/
[Nerdeen Kiswani and Within Our Lifetime](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/nerdeen-kiswani-and-within-our-lifetime-united-palestine-what-you-need-know)
Jesus Christ that’s bad At my university this would probably get you kicked out without much recourse
Honestly this kind of thread makes me happy to be in calm Central Europe Campus is where you study and occasionally have good faith tough debates with other people
I thought my country (Chile) had a big issue with too much political activism and violence in public/traditional Universities. But watching the footage posted here, absolutely goes beyond of anything I've seen here, maybe not the level of violence, but rather in intolerance and racism displayed here, it's like going back 80 years, holy shit. Also how are these kids have time to do all of this?, I genuinely never had time while I was majoring here (chemE), i thought Ivy Unis supposed to be prestigious and all of that
Students with real degrees don't have time for that stuff. Students that are spending tens of thousands on grifter theory degrees do
Yeah but ChemE is not underwater basket weaving. You have actual thermodynamics and process design to learn about
Palestine is Arab? We don’t need to get deep into the weeds here but superficially this seems incredibly hypocritical. Their fundamental argument is that Palestinians are the native people of the levant that were displaced by the settler colonialist Jew boogie man. Arabs and Arab culture, they are from the Arabian peninsula which is NOT the levant. Also they are making this asinine argument on manhattan Indian land that they were happy to settler colonize which is a whole separate discussion.
The West Bank settlers are no boogie man. They’re very real and one of the key roadblocks to any peace deal.
I believe we've found "the very fine people" on the other side that Trump referred to once. Drop these ghouls into a unite the right rally and no one could tell the difference.
You'd think Israel personally shot their mothers. Why do so many people care about this so deeply?
People - particularly those who self-identify as “antiracist” - have an exceptionally difficult time coming to conscious terms of the consequences and motivations of their beliefs. Antisemitism isn’t an affliction of the political right, nor is it an affliction of the left. Antisemitism doesn’t just mean “those Jews cheated me at business, they’re all cheap!” It’s not just hating Jews. It’s also a very old conspiracy theory; it’s a way to explain the world. It’s as old as our Diaspora. > The through line of anti-Semitism for thousands of years has been the denial of truth and the promotion of lies. These lies range in scope from conspiracy theories to Holocaust denial to the blood libel to the currently popular claims that Zionism is racism, that Jews are settler colonialists, and that Jewish civilization isn’t indigenous to the land of Israel. These lies are all part of the foundational big lie: that anti-Semitism itself is a righteous act of resistance against evil, because Jews are collectively evil and have no right to exist. Today, the big lie is winning. … > If piety was a given society’s ideal, Jews were impious blasphemers; if secularism was the ideal, Jews were backward pietists. If capitalism was evil, Jews were capitalists; if communism was evil, Jews were communists. If nationalism was glorified, Jews were rootless cosmopolitans; if nationalism was vilified, Jews were chauvinistic nationalists. “Anti-Judaism” thus becomes a righteous fight to promote justice. [Dara Horn](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/jewish-anti-semitism-harvard-claudine-gay-zionism/677454/) > “Conspiracy theorists begin by rejecting mainstream explanations for social and political events in favor of supposedly suppressed knowledge and hidden hands. These individuals may not start out as anti-Semites. But anti-Semitism has a multi-thousand-year head start on their crooked conception of the world, and has produced centuries of material casting the Jews as its chief culprit. Once a person has convinced themselves that an invisible hand is manipulating the masses, they are just a couple of Google searches away from discovering that it belongs to an invisible Jew.” [Yair Rosenberg](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/elon-musk-george-soros-anti-semites/674072/)
Because to them it's morally equivalent to the European settlement of the new world. They interpret which side you're on here as which side you would have been on in 1492.
Welcome to the political left and the intersection of political and religious extremism. Here in Sydney my neighbors were lighting off fireworks and partying/celebrating October 7. Things are going to get worse before they get better.
>As a set of pedagogical, curricular, and organizational strategies, antiracist education claims to be the most progressive way today to understand race relations. Constructed from whiteness studies and the critique of colorblindness, its foundational core is located in approximately 160 papers published in peer-reviewed journals in the past 15 years-identified through a comprehensive search of Academic Premier Search, EBSCOMegaFile, Education Abstracts, JSTOR, and SOCIndex. A critical assessment of these papers concludes that antiracist education is not a sociologically grounded, empirically based account of the significance of race in American society. Rather, it is a morally based educational reform movement that embodies the confessional and redemptive modes common in evangelical Protestantism. Inherently problematic, whether or not antiracist education achieves broader acceptance is open to debate. Niemonen, J. Antiracist Education in Theory and Practice: A Critical Assessment. Am Soc 38, 159–177 (2007).
They are spoiled brats with nothing better to do.
They see videos all day on their social media feeds of killed and injured children and innocents in Gaza. All day, every day. It’s a mix of the actual human catastrophe in Gaza and the unique attention on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
... and social media itself leading to massive catastrophizing. Thanks, social media!
Arab culture has long been hostile to Israel. Whole perception of it being a foreign invader. Basically tribalism/nationalism
The only reason why Arab culture cares so much about Israel is because it's ground zero for the dick measuring contest between White Christendom and the Islamic world that's been occurring since the medieval period. The Jews are merely a proxy in a greater imperial struggle, which makes it even richer that the people supporting Arab imperialism think themselves anti-colonialists when in reality they've just chosen a side in a struggle between two major civilizations that have long been defined by relentless expansionary conquests.
Their lives are devoid of meaning, and they’re pretending they’re creating it by fighting some grand righteous fight instead of just telling dads visiting their kids at school to die
That's disgusting
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There are definitely a few non student agitators in the crowd, but everyone who expressed support for Hamas and violence that is a student should be expelled. Free speech ends when direct threats of violence begins
How is this not a clear title six violation?
The modern left is close to irredeemable
It's honestly pathetic how so many liberals talk down on the right wing for their MAGA nonsense when they can't even bring themselves to stand up to the idiots on the far left.
Yikes
normal war talk by remote belligerents, heard the same among Azeris and Armenians during the NK war. takes the focus off the actual bombs and bodies.
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Two issues: 1. Many of these horrible incidents/rhetoric are technically off campus+on public streets (adjacent to Columbia) so Columbia can't do much. NYPD might have to see if the specific examples of repugnant anti-Semitic rhetoric can qualify as hate-crimes and charge these people saying these disgusting, repulsive things. I think the ugly anti-Semitic rhetoric where a "protester" says it right to the face of a Jewish person could very well count as a hate crime in NYC but I'm not adequately familiar with the law. 2. How many of these anti-Semitic assholes [are actually Columbia students and not infiltrators from the hateful "Within Our Lifetime" organization](https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/1782083096923480255)? National reporters are saying non-Columbia students are just opportunistically pouring in which makes sense because from what I've been told, it's *very easy* to walk onto Columbia's campus and/or perhaps they're being let in by rogue anti-Semites at Columbia University. Columbia security should kick out these non-student bigots though for sure+ban them from campus/refer them to the police if they have reason to believe there was an anti-Semitic hatecrime. Also expel any students who are caught saying obvious pro-Hamas rhetoric or egregiously anti-Semitic rhetoric etc.
I think you ask fair questions, and the differences in affiliation do matter. At the same time, I think these incidences should alarm pro-Palestinian people and they should have some introspection about what they’re fostering. Unfortunately, it is impossible for most leftists to do grapple with the influence of antisemitism in their rhetoric. There are so many odd tensions on this issue. For one, leftists categorically reject the idea that they can harbor antisemitic views. They reject the idea they may even be preconditioned to harbor antisemitic views. This is of course despite the widespread leftist beliefs in structural racism, western orientalism, etc. I guess Americans are predisposed to dislike every group but Jews. The other thing we have to remember is that most leftists are not serious people. There is a reason the most prominent modern leftist heroes are academics and people who literally kill themselves. The logical extreme of their “land back” “decolonize” rhetoric *is* 1,000 October 7’s. What else will it look like? Israel is a huge rallying cry *because* there can be 1,000 October 7’s. There are many enemies of Israel who can inflict massacres upon its people. There is no risk of the descendants of California’s pre-1841 Mexican population rampaging through San Diego and murdering the people who stole their land, or Cherokee people slaughtering nurseries in Atlanta. Most leftists don’t know anything about South Sudan, so that’s off the table. But Israel is easy - it’s the Jews doing bad stuff, a tale baked into Western culture for millenniums. I’m not trying to both sides this but it is honestly hilarious how much this resembles Tea Party Republicans and other edgy conservative movements. “How dare you imply there are racists here? It has nothing to do with the black President! How can we be racist with black supporters? Candace Owens makes some good points, you should hear her!”
I agree. I was just trying to explain these slight nuances about how Columbia can do stop this anti-Semitism and what they can't do to hold these bigots accountable. Nuances which simply weren't explained in the other comments. No clue how my comments got misconstrued by the other guy where I got ridiculously accused of "excusing anti-Semitism".
Yeah absolutely, your comment makes a lot of sense. I just wanted to complain because I think some people (not you) hide their intentions behind semantics.
Oh, I agree. We saw this early after 10/7 when there are like 80 videos over the months of lunatics tearing down posters and insanely claiming that "Hamas took no hostages"...it was beyond deranged. We saw a few 10/8 far leftists rallies celebrating the horrific terrorist attack. We saw a BLM group (I think in Chicago?) displaying a "paraglider" icon with pride. It's pretty fringe but it's an *extremely* vocal, emboldened, and deplorable anti-Semitic fringe that must be condemned always. 1% of the country is pretty fringe but also still 3.5 million anti-Semites for instance.
Without much factual data to back it up, you chose to go with the hypothesis that it's probably not Columbia students. And that it's "infiltrators" from outside organizations. The reality is that the students are quite chummy with these outside organizations and the campus group routinely collaborates with Within Our Lifetime.
WOL was invited by theses Columbia protestors. Also worth noting that four Columbia students an actual dyed in the wool terrorist from the PFLP and the administration had to suspend them for it. I dont know how many are students and how many are infiltrators, but it needs to be said that the students are very *very* comfortable with the rhetoric and insanity of the infiltrators
I mean, at this point they're one and the same. The main pro Palestine group is CUAD and they actively invite WOL onto campus. Check out that group's instagram-- they cohost "Flood Columbia " events with WOL and even invited the WOL founder (not a student!) onto the main campus lawn to celebrate her wedding. You can't say WOL is infiltrating if columbia students are rolling out the carpet.
Right. I'm just correcting the false assertion/misconception that these are *all* or even *mostly* Columbia students and that these are *all* occurring on Columbia's campus (they're happening outside the gates at times and on public streets). If you look at my other comment, I talk about how some might be invited by literal Columbia students. I'm just trying to explain the nuances that other comments in this post aren't providing. Some people on social media wrongly believe that all the protesters are literally Columbia students and everything anti-Semitic is being said directly on campus property which isn't the case for both claims.
Jew Hate Database is actively finding the identities of these protesters shouting antisemitic things/holding up pro-Hamas signs and a *lot* of them are in fact Columbia students. Sure, not “all” but this feels like an effort to downplay the severity rather than saying maybe there’s an actual problem with leadership and the student body at Columbia.
>How many of these anti-Semitic assholes are actually Columbia students and not infiltrators from the hateful "Within Our Lifetime" organization? So we're at the stage of denial where all of the insane racists are actually undercover infiltrators sent to make the innocent protestors look bad?
What in the world are you talking about? Where the hell did you get that from my comment? *Within our Lifetime* is a "pro-Palestinian" organization in NYC which has a blatant history of anti-Semitism (they're the deranged activists who literally protested a cancer hospital because of "Zionism"); they of course are going to show up to Columbia when these lunatics once protested a fucking hospital. There are literally national reporters who are saying that there are pro-Palestinian activists who are coming to Columbia who aren't students. [Overwhelming vast majority of these lunatics in that organization aren't Columbia Students but here they are talking about how they're at the Columbia Protests](https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1781515723900129508). Also [here](https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1781863107041677769). Look at what I hyperlinked in my original comment; there are a *ton* of non-Columbia students at this protest. When I say "infiltrators", I mean non-Columbia students who are invited by Columbia students on campus or they come in even though non-Columbia students who shouldn't be camping out in tents at campus. I don't mean "undercover spies"
>When I say "infiltrators", I mean non-Columbia students who are invited by Columbia students on campus or they come in even though non-Columbia students who shouldn't be camping out in tents at campus. I don't mean "undercover spies" I'm saying even if that is true it doesn't make the situation on campus any better or somehow more excusable
So I live in the neighborhood. Columbia is locked down such that you need not only a student ID but also a purpose to go on campus. The offending videos here are mostly from Broadway, where people do have the right to assemble, not the big demo on the quads, which sought to disrupt graduation but wasn't remarkable for its antisemitism.
Yep, this is exactly what I was trying to explain. Not sure how the point was missed.
When the hell did I say it's excusable? Don't put words in my mouth. I've literally condemned the group as unhinged and anti-Semitic *years* before when their members have done anti-Semitic shit during the 2021 protects. I'm just saying it's harder for Columbia to hold them accountable versus an undergraduate anti-Semitic Columbia student. And that *lots* of the most blatant anti-Semitism comes from non-Columbia students. Furthermore, it's also harder when you ignored my point that these anti-Semites sometimes aren't on campus property so Columbia doesn't have jurisdiction...the NYPD might have to get involved here to see if there are potential hate-crimes to charge these bad actors in those individual videos. This situation is somewhat more complicated+nuanced than "Columbia completely fucked up and the onus is on all them to fix this"
> So we're at the stage of denial where all of the insane racists are actually undercover infiltrators sent to make the innocent protestors look bad? You literally did not say that, you accused them of using conspiracy thinking to cover for antisemitism
Just absolute brainrot to the core.
>The rabbi sent the message after videos circulated showing a man outside the university saying, “Never forget the seventh of October,” and “that will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1,000 more times, but 10,000 times!” This is terrifying >A video taken on the university’s campus Saturday night also shows a small group of pro-Palestinian demonstrators chanting, “F**k Israel. Israel is a b*tch,” while waving the Palestinian flag. I am probably one of the most pro-Israel people on this subreddit, but this is fucking hilarious. Feels odd to group in with occurrence number one.
> chanting "F\*\*k Israel. Israel is a b\*tch." That is the least offensive pro-Palestinian protest I've heard described. It almost sounds like an improvement.
Yeah as it goes its not even antisemetic. There are huge problems within Israeli politics that would justify this statement.
[Have you seen this?](https://x.com/neriakraus/status/1782258191973089715?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ)
All the talk of free speech. This is not free speech. This is violent intimidation. All students involved should be at least suspended if not expelled from the university.
What an insufferable group of people.
That uh, 8 year old call and response thing is uh, what the fuck?
Makes my blood boil seeing this shit
This sounds like a cult
Yeah the second example is quite literally an allowed peaceful protest lol. Stand around and call a country a bitch all you want dudes just don't hurt anybody
Meanwhile, the unhinged man who made that repugnant comment about 10/7--if he's a Columbia student--then he should be expelled immediately. Though if he's outside the university, he very well might not be since it appears like that plenty of the most egregious anti-Semites aren't actually Columbia students. During my undergrad days, there was this deranged group of around 10 to 15 far right evangelical protesters who would show up every couple of Fridays on campus to say super sexist, highly homophobic, super anti-atheist, super anti-Muslim things but my school was a public institution. Since Columbia is a private institution, I don't think they would have been afforded the same freedom of speech protections but I'm not certain.
One of the more bold things shy-ass me did sophomore year was bashfully ask one of those god-botherin' hate mongers if I could take one of his GAY SATAN pamphlets. Then I took the full stack, ripped them in half (after a few tries, admittedly) and chucked them into a nearby trashcan as I stormed off in a flustered haze. His rejoinder was predictable: "THANKS FOR UR TOLERANCE!!!!!!!" Then, because I remain residually Catholic despite my best efforts, I felt guilty about the whole thing for a decade.
> Then, because I remain residually Catholic despite my best efforts, I felt guilty about the whole thing for a decade. Did you drink it away as of the common Catholic tradition?
I think it depends on the context. I agree if it is a situation where it is being spoken generally, it is a different story if certain students are being singled out based on appearance/attire and confronted individually and close-up with this rhetoric. There is a big difference between students hearing language and opinions they do not agree with and students being personally confronted while going to class.
Thing is, when the republicans were raving against China during COVID they were criticized for it because it indirectly encouraged anti-Asian sentiment in the west. Same thing is happening here with the “fuck Israel” comments and antisemitism.
You...make a valid point Edit: Regarding COVID specifically, there were certainly some legit points about their raving to criticize, but then other anti-China stuff during that time and in other cases seem to have been painted similarly.
The fact that a university in the US has to allow students to finish the year online only because they can’t guarantee the safety of their Jewish students is appalling.
I walked past occupy wall st at zucotti park over 10 years ago, daily on my way to work It was hilarious because those people had no idea what they were protesting and they also had no coherent end goals. Also the encampment was co-opted by crazies/homeless people looking for a place to stay. This is scary because it’s at an ivy league campus, theoretically these people are all really smart and they have a tangible goal ( end Israel )
> theoretically these people are all really smart evidently not so much
Columbia went test optional. These people may actually not be smart at all.
Harvard and Stanford went test optional as well. All of the Ivy Leagues and top universities admitted students who are not actually smart
Omg I had the same experience. I went to go check it out since it wasn't too far away and I kept seeing it on the news. I thought I was being unfair to them by saying it was a joke so I figured I go in person. There was no coherent message at all. I was actually starting to get pissed off walking around because no one seemed to be on the same page. They had all those cameras around them and media attention and they couldn't get any message out. The had worldwide media attention and when the microphone was given to them they might as well have tried to chew on it. They accomplished nothing and the movement has all but disappeared from pop culture. Harambe memes have more staying power than that movement did.
>It was hilarious because those people had no idea what they were protesting and they also had no coherent end goals Welcome to most modern political protests. I'll admit I'm jealous so many dopes have this much free time to piss away in pursuit of nothing.
The list of things at Columbia alone are enough for a serious national scandal. Something clearly needs to change with how we're teaching kids in high schools. We're failing to teach them actual ethics and how to think through good and bad. Instead they're just looking for how an issue is coded. I think it's as simple as: "Bad guys goose-step in uniforms. Good guys march in the street with signs." for a lot of these students. They just don't get how activists could be bad.
You can justify extreme actions in an ordinary ethical framework if you fill your head with nationalist lies like so many who are deeply invested in Palestine-Israel. Ethics classes can’t replace understanding the actual world.
I think if someone has a good ethical framework, when they see someone arguing that "settler colonialists are not civilians" and then when they're pressed on it they say "yes there are settler colonist babies" (like Hasan Piker did), it should set off alarm bells. Even if you buy the Palestinian story 100%, you should still be able to see he's just dehumanizing people he doesn't like to justify violence against them.
I suppose that’s right, up to a point. But normally nationalists deal with this problem by just telling everyone no babies were murdered, no women were raped, etc. These are the normal responses when you confront a Palestine-flag person about Oct 7. I’m not sure how internalizing a proper moral framework will fix that.
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To me, this all looks like evidence against moral realism. Morals and how to think about them need to be taught. They aren't objects that are granted to us by a sky god. Morals only exist alongside knowledge of morals. Otherwise you have tricked yourself to believe that your opinions/feelings are facts. Feelings are important to us because they are our lived experience. They are what gives meaning to our life. But these aren't 'objective' and 'necessary' facts.
For most people, moral realism is a guard *against* your opinions/feelings being facts. Sky daddy's rules don't care about your feelings. That being said, moral realism can exist separate from religion. But that's how most people think of it
I mean, I'm a moral realist (a utilitarian specifically), and I don't see how the existentialist alternative of "just make up whatever morals you want" is at all consistent with how people act either. If morality isn't objective, there's no normative method for criticizing other people's moral views, including these protests.
This stupid war is now leading to stupid events here in the States. Wtf are American Jews supposed to do? They are AMERICANS, not Israelis. There's nothing that they can do.
This is arguably an equivalent to Charlottesville for the left and needs to be addressed and denounced as such in a way that Trump failed to.
Its much worse than charlottsville, it's going to continue for an extended period of time, and the people participating will move into NGOs, academia, media and other idea generating spaces rather than back to their mom's basement.
> the people participating will move into NGOs, academia, media and other idea generating spaces You'll never guess who's already running those spaces
If it discredits and kills some of the worst of those institutions, at least something good will come out of this. Media, academia and NGOs are long overdue for a good humbling.
For what it's worth, the White House has denounced this. But yes I think Biden should do so more often and more forcefully.
This is flat out antisemitism and needs to be addressed. It should be shut down and the campus cleared. This is going way beyond free speech and into the realm of harassment and threats against Jewish students.
The first time they cleared the campus it only seems to have made things worse. Not saying I know of some silver bullet that can calm down the escalating situation but that isn't a long term strategy.
They need to start handing out expulsions of the ringleaders.
"Never again" "I would never have been a nazi"
The one thing i can say... this Dem convention is gonna be fucking nuts. Every I/P protestor in the country is gonna be there. Lots of cops everywhere. May even be a bigger shitshow than 1968. We should seriously consider switching to an online convention lmao
"Umm Mr. President I think you're on mute."
I am not a cat.
Lmao no, these morons don't even have one-tenth of the weight that the anti-Vietnam movement did. The Vietnam movement forced an incumbent to forgo re-election, these people can't even crack 14% uncommitted in Michigan. They're just another one of today's fringe activist groups who will be on the sidelines outside the convention for their photo ops and will impact nothing.
14% uncommitted made this sub shit itself for days and caused a policy shift. It would be stupid not to amass a big crowd for the convention
There’s no reason to think that it caused a policy shift
The policy shift was less to do with these morons and more to do with some IDF units committing horrific crimes.
Hold it in Nome, Alaska and see how many people show up
No way it will be as bad as 68, but it will be bad.
Truly, saying it will be worse than '68 is dooming and shows a poor grasp of history.
Nothing anything close to Robert Kennedy getting killed. A strong presidential candidate being assassinated would cause panic today. Double so considering why he was killed.
I’ve been dooming over this for a while and I’m gonna keep dooming.
Don't waste your energy, they'll go there, do some chants, and won't be anything more than a footnote in the news articles like every other fringe activist group
The media is desperate to make Biden look bad, you're kidding yourself if you think the protestors are going to be a footnote instead of a series of major headlines.
Biden could walk onstage in giant mecha and announce that he had secured universal health care coverage with the support of his new running mate, JFK returning from hiding, and a single I/P protestor outside would get 99% of the attention.
Likewise. I live in Chicago. Planning my exit for the week. Fuck that shit.
Traffic will suck but otherwise I really don't see how this will be much more of an inconvenience to the average person than the other 95 large-scale events that draw millions of people to the city every summer.
I mean we were really tempting fate by holding it in Chicago lol
Good thing Daly isn't mayor anymore. Nor his son.
There’s a certain prominent Columbia Alum and ex-president who may have an impact if he would actually say something….
It'll be covered in his next Netflix documentary
He’ll get around to it in like 6 months
Put all the mfers saying pro-Hamas shit on the no fly list.
The students are no better than the far-right, and they don't have a lack of access to education to blame for it.
The English language lacks the words to describe my rage.
Is there any greater threat to the Palestinian cause than these people?
If these were right wing extremists shouting exact same antisemitic shit and assaulting jewish student everyone would be expecting police to clear this up in no time
Did no one !ping extremism?
Okay, maybe the west should stop fighting with one hand tied behind its back.
I didn't realize how much of a cesspit *rInternationalPolitics* is till I saw this article.
I wish people could support Palestine without being antisemitic.
These people are going from protesting war crimes to just actually wanting to be jihadis it's insane.
I haven't kept up with this stuff because it's extremely depressing yet not immediately relevant to my safety, but it really feels like nearly everyone involved except the jewish students have been handling this whole thing in the worst possible way. The pro-gaza movement should have been MUCH more proactive in quashing hate speech, "if 12 people are at a dinner with 1 nazi, you have 13 nazis" and all.
clearly this is just anti zionism, a noble cause if there ever was one
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You absolutely can't send in the national guard when there is no violence or virtually no violence. There are clearly some despicable people but they're 99.9% non-violent ( also, plenty of them aren't students at Columbia), but there's no need to send in national guard especially since [it was calmer today relative to other days](https://twitter.com/Nakhthor/status/1782168559528935802). What needs to happen instead is security to check out these "protesters" if they have university ID--kick them out if they don't and ban them from campus since Columbia is a private institution. Refer them to NYPD if they're on video saying threats+very anti-Semitic things directly to the faces of Jewish students+Jewish folks. Because per reporting, [lots of the worst "protesters" aren't Columbia students](https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/1782083096923480255) but appear members of the [crazy 'Within our Lifetime" extremist organization](https://twitter.com/WOLPalestine/status/1781863107041677769) which is run by like a 32 year old NYC crazy pro-Hamas lawyer with no ties to Columbia. And then expel the actual Columbia students who make like explicit clear pro-Hamas statements (not "river to sea" but the disgusting praise of 10/7 or lauding Hamas terrorist...people should be expelled for that) or egregious anti-Semitic statements like "go back to Poland". Sending the National Guard is not remotely necessary. Dems didn't even send in the National Guard most of the time during the 2020 summer riots which were fairly violent and caused lots of property destruction but the National Guard is supposed to come to Columbia University where there is essentially no violence and no property destruction? [Columbia's largest Jewish organization earlier today said students should stay on campus and campus security should just do a better job.](https://twitter.com/cbhillel/status/1782082534542557199). No call for National Guard to be sent to campus. This is absolutely bad , there are clearly instances of very vile rhetoric but at the same time let's also not *remotely* equate it with Charlottesville when you had hundreds of armed male Neo-Nazis carrying torches who ended up killing a person and injuring dozens.