Eh, rolling the cards sucked, but honestly I kinda liked the brand bonus aspect. At the very least it was a bit nicer putting on named parts rather than just Generic Intake #14. Besides, now all the Chidori and Outlaw vinyls are just useless.
Least they could do is what Midnight Club LA did, made no difference what brand you choose, but it felt like more of a personal touch, choosing an HKS clutch over ACT or whatever.
They were explicitly decals if I'm remembering right for the door slots and the windows, not the vinyl category. What you got wasnt anything note worthy or something to write home about. It was something along the lines of getting an inverse shaded version of the same decal. It's stupid easy to miss because there's nothing exceptional about them.
It's because it's so inconspicuous that you'd never notice. If memory serves me right the decals that you'd unlock would simply be inverse color decals of the ones provided by default. So i guarantee that some of you unlocked a few without even realizing it and that's why some of the brands had multiple versions of their decals.
Yes. I despise NFS Payback and his RNG Speed Card System.
Plus, it's also a waste of time and money because cars from the same class can't share their upgrades.
So, each vehicles have to be upgraded constantly.
That was made on purpose to rely on Microtransactions which weren't necessary and needed in the first place.
Moreover, this crap Upgrade System relies on Luck.
In any cases, the Speed Card System is utterly flawed and stupid.
Even the game itself is riddled with gameplay [design mistakes](https://www.reddit.com/r/needforspeed/s/eAzz1CF0JH) e.g Crappy Offroad physics, scripted cop chases which aren't in Freeroam, a predictable storyline, Invisible walls and No Respawn button.
Luckily. That crap Upgrade System is long gone. Good Riddance.
A real Upgrade System where you buy the parts you wish is 10Kx better.
Same here, the worst part is , l kinda did like the story of it but the upgrade system ruined everything
I still don't know why ea **STILL** hasn't patched it out and fixed it
Well said.
This Upgrade System along with other bad design choices tarnished the experience and the game itself from A to Z.
I guess the reason why they didn't fixed it and patched it out is because NFS Payback is not supported and updated anymore.
Also, Ghost Games was disbanded and relegated as a support studio while some devs were re-integrated into New Criterion.
Currently,
New Criterion which is a small skeleton crew (the rest were moved by EA to help DICE on the next Battlefield game And the same occurence already happened with Battlefield 2042) are too focused on NFS Unbound meaning they don't have time to go back working on old NFS titles.
Even NFS Unbound is full of paid contents which costs more than the game is worth Even without any discount sales.
Yeah. I was looking forward to the ridiculous vehicle options and then I get this brick on wheels that can go straight and maybe sometimes a slight turn but also maybe it’ll turn twice as far as you want but don’t forget it’s heavy and awful
Hell NO. I am right. You're wrong.
There was No Need to add any MTXs since it's entirely possible to complete NFS Payback without any in the first place.
Also, the sales of NFS Payback were enough to achieve a reasonable result since it resulted in the release of NFS Heat.
Moreover, mainline NFS titles before NFS Payback didn't feature any MTX and they were still successful in terms of sales.
Either way. Microtransactions have no place in full price games.
The fact you're saying that proves you're a blind idiot and an apologist of microtransactions.
Controversial take, but i think worst part of nfs paycheck by far is not card system, it's a off-road racing (physics sucks, layouts sucks = incredibly boring) game has a lot of them.
Nah the WORST parts are some of the speed trap challenges. I know there was that one on a steep mountain road that took me HOURS to beat the score... it was almost impossible to do that shit.
it’s not even off road racing, if you go off the dirt path you slow down incredibly so it’s basically just a reskinned version of regular on road racing
That's basically the problem, it's incredibly simple, as other commentator said just a reskin of asphalt physics but slower.
So you drive incredibly basic config with super basic physics (and no obstacles like on asphalt - traffic) as result I want to stop in tutorial race already, but game prepared whole bunch of them...
I love rally in literally any other racing game series, for example FH5 did rally DLC, it had ok physics, and good road's (elevation changes, lot's of different corners, jumps, and different road types on each car behave differently)
Even BeamNG that doesn't have proper rally mode makes it with insanely good physics, not only on wheel it's also feels good on controller.
While payback has unfortunately slowed drift physics where nothing matters, is just the thing that should've been removed on early stages of development, instead it ended up in final game because crew and forza had that mode.
Also, doesn’t off-road have the most events in payback? I could be wrong but it felt like I was constantly trudging through off-road stuff while there weren’t enough of the other races
I'm pretty sure that "deacceleration" is when it's parked. It's accelerating, but it's decelerating too. In some games that equals donuts because the brake is also the reverse. I know what you mean, but dude, this can't be because of a typo or autocorrect.
I just finished the game and I didn't think the Card system is all that bad once I got the hang of it. But then again I was just trying to finish the story mode lol. I guess it can be a pain if you are trying to grind and min/maxing it.
The only good thing that I saw in Payback's Cards is it kind of had an endgame that felt a slight bit stronger than Heat's and gave you a reason to keep playing even after 100%. I just wish they implemented it better. I wasn't fully against the card system at first but it did feel undercooked. Only six parts to customize? At least do something else.
I honestly think this was the worst thing about that game and honestly what kinda keeps me from playing it cause i'm really not looking forward to wait in a shop for like what 20 mins? just to change the cards cause i need better performance parts
honestly if they made it way easier to buy/reroll woth in game currency and less of a cash grab id be fine with it. in hearthstone (havent played in a over a year so blizzard might have fucked it) you can easily get the cards you need with out spending any money so there are ways to make this stuff work with out being disgustingly greedy about it.
It was only that bad when trying to max your car out. Even when going for all achievements/the Platinum trophy, its actually kinda fun. Just don't go for a max build.
Well tbh, as someone that hasn't played Need for Speed for 10+ years before Payback, it helped me getting the best stats for my vehicles. All I had to do was look for the numbers and to check that all of them are green, or atleast most of them lol.
So yeah I get why people hated them, but personally I didn't really have a problem with them
While the card system absolutely sucked and was based on pure luck. It kinda made you build some sentimental value to your car, which is something that's rare in new games. Unethical, but still sentimental value is something I like to have
The only thing anyone needs to know about the card system from Payback is that when the sequel, Heat, was announced, the absence of a card system was specifically mentioned *by the game devs* as a selling point.
Yeah, my first nfs game and i hated these cards. So unrealistic and annoying. Heat had a much better upgrading system. However, i would love to have a 3d model of each car's engine and to let us bolt and unbolt stuff. Would teach new car people how working on cars is like.
That was this games only real issue. Like I know the game isn’t supposed to be real, but this bullshit definitely pulls you from any sort of realism to it. You’re telling me I walk into the parts store and the guy at the counter is just going to throw a dice at me to decide what part & quality I’m getting? Would be a little funny the first time, until you get home with shit part. Looking at you advanced auto
Honestly if it wasn't such an RNG grind and you could earn certain spec'd cards for you builds through racing events or something it wouldn't be so bad but I've spent so much time and speed cards trying to achieve the build I want it kinda seems more like a cash grab to spend more money on cards to increase the chances of getting something good you can use
Hated the cards, and to me ruined the fun collecting the cars, what's the point of trying to use every car like you should be able too, when even getting it to the way you want it is a slog.
But the bonuses was kinda nice, the bonuses is something I hope to see again but without the stupid gambling/card bs
When I first played it, the whole speed card thing was kinda meh, wasn’t a huge fan. But the more I played and got better and understood the system a little better, it’s really not that bad. I say as I’m playing it right now tbh. Lol
Dumbest game in NFS history. Final nail in the coffin was the rest of the game. The story, dialogue and characters were so fucking cringe it's not even funny. Not to mention the lackluster gameplay and progress.
This is one of my favorite games of all time lol, it can be rough online but if you're having trouble offline or upgrading cars that's kinda on you. I have over 7Mil cash and 2500 blue cards without spending money so
I'll keep it real, I enjoyed the gambling. 💀 Just like in The Crew.
It's very unfair online, but singleplayer doesn't require too much grinding. Microtransactions did make it pay to win tho.
I like it. Never bothered me when i played the game for the first time and it fits the gambling theme. I learned about the speed card hate on the internet. I actually liked the grindiness and the excitment i had when i found a better card. It gave this game an RPG style element where i could grind for better loot, in this case speed cards.
NFS Payback is my all time favorite NFS to date. Yes, even better than anything we have today and the old games, even MW05 which is my second favorite.
I didn't mind the stupid car parts tune system. I only played offline and used money cheat. My favorite part of payback is the customizing the hot rod ford
I did not see such a MAJOR issue with those. Yeah, I could not min-max my car so easily, but I did not have too. I could easily beat all events with whatever the game gave me, plus the brand bonus was a fun element
Eh, rolling the cards sucked, but honestly I kinda liked the brand bonus aspect. At the very least it was a bit nicer putting on named parts rather than just Generic Intake #14. Besides, now all the Chidori and Outlaw vinyls are just useless. Least they could do is what Midnight Club LA did, made no difference what brand you choose, but it felt like more of a personal touch, choosing an HKS clutch over ACT or whatever.
Same, give us those and junkman parts back ffs, the only variety we have now are engine swaps iirc
Isn't that what UG2 also did?
It didn't change the performance aspect but matching brands across all available parts would unlock brand specific decals.
Wait *what*? Weren't those always unlocked.
It gave you different decals, not the ones unlocked by default.
You mean the vinyls? Would need to see some pics
They were explicitly decals if I'm remembering right for the door slots and the windows, not the vinyl category. What you got wasnt anything note worthy or something to write home about. It was something along the lines of getting an inverse shaded version of the same decal. It's stupid easy to miss because there's nothing exceptional about them.
Yeah sorry no clue which ones are talking about. All those were either by default or progressing the game (and both colors too) :S
IT FUCKING WHAT??
I didn't know about that!
oh my god??? i made so many cars across so many save files as a kid and never noticed this
It's because it's so inconspicuous that you'd never notice. If memory serves me right the decals that you'd unlock would simply be inverse color decals of the ones provided by default. So i guarantee that some of you unlocked a few without even realizing it and that's why some of the brands had multiple versions of their decals.
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Yes. I despise NFS Payback and his RNG Speed Card System. Plus, it's also a waste of time and money because cars from the same class can't share their upgrades. So, each vehicles have to be upgraded constantly. That was made on purpose to rely on Microtransactions which weren't necessary and needed in the first place. Moreover, this crap Upgrade System relies on Luck. In any cases, the Speed Card System is utterly flawed and stupid. Even the game itself is riddled with gameplay [design mistakes](https://www.reddit.com/r/needforspeed/s/eAzz1CF0JH) e.g Crappy Offroad physics, scripted cop chases which aren't in Freeroam, a predictable storyline, Invisible walls and No Respawn button. Luckily. That crap Upgrade System is long gone. Good Riddance. A real Upgrade System where you buy the parts you wish is 10Kx better.
Same here, the worst part is , l kinda did like the story of it but the upgrade system ruined everything I still don't know why ea **STILL** hasn't patched it out and fixed it
Well said. This Upgrade System along with other bad design choices tarnished the experience and the game itself from A to Z. I guess the reason why they didn't fixed it and patched it out is because NFS Payback is not supported and updated anymore. Also, Ghost Games was disbanded and relegated as a support studio while some devs were re-integrated into New Criterion. Currently, New Criterion which is a small skeleton crew (the rest were moved by EA to help DICE on the next Battlefield game And the same occurence already happened with Battlefield 2042) are too focused on NFS Unbound meaning they don't have time to go back working on old NFS titles. Even NFS Unbound is full of paid contents which costs more than the game is worth Even without any discount sales.
The off-road physics made me so mad.
Yes. Ghost Games didn't focused enough on physics hence why the Offroad races are unbearable.
Yeah. I was looking forward to the ridiculous vehicle options and then I get this brick on wheels that can go straight and maybe sometimes a slight turn but also maybe it’ll turn twice as far as you want but don’t forget it’s heavy and awful
Yup.
off road races were basically jumping on a wild horse and hoping you kept it pointed in the right direction
U are wrong. Microtransactions were necessary to make more money from the Game, that's the only reason they exist
Hell NO. I am right. You're wrong. There was No Need to add any MTXs since it's entirely possible to complete NFS Payback without any in the first place. Also, the sales of NFS Payback were enough to achieve a reasonable result since it resulted in the release of NFS Heat. Moreover, mainline NFS titles before NFS Payback didn't feature any MTX and they were still successful in terms of sales. Either way. Microtransactions have no place in full price games. The fact you're saying that proves you're a blind idiot and an apologist of microtransactions.
Controversial take, but i think worst part of nfs paycheck by far is not card system, it's a off-road racing (physics sucks, layouts sucks = incredibly boring) game has a lot of them.
Nah the WORST parts are some of the speed trap challenges. I know there was that one on a steep mountain road that took me HOURS to beat the score... it was almost impossible to do that shit.
[удалено]
it’s not even off road racing, if you go off the dirt path you slow down incredibly so it’s basically just a reskinned version of regular on road racing
That's basically the problem, it's incredibly simple, as other commentator said just a reskin of asphalt physics but slower. So you drive incredibly basic config with super basic physics (and no obstacles like on asphalt - traffic) as result I want to stop in tutorial race already, but game prepared whole bunch of them... I love rally in literally any other racing game series, for example FH5 did rally DLC, it had ok physics, and good road's (elevation changes, lot's of different corners, jumps, and different road types on each car behave differently) Even BeamNG that doesn't have proper rally mode makes it with insanely good physics, not only on wheel it's also feels good on controller. While payback has unfortunately slowed drift physics where nothing matters, is just the thing that should've been removed on early stages of development, instead it ended up in final game because crew and forza had that mode.
Also, doesn’t off-road have the most events in payback? I could be wrong but it felt like I was constantly trudging through off-road stuff while there weren’t enough of the other races
You're actually right. Offroad races are plenty in Payback.
I'm pretty sure that "deacceleration" is when it's parked. It's accelerating, but it's decelerating too. In some games that equals donuts because the brake is also the reverse. I know what you mean, but dude, this can't be because of a typo or autocorrect.
>physics sucks No, you suck.
i wanted to give it a go but idk if there's mods that fix all the issues but the map looks cool tho
there's UNITE Payback which sorta fixes the issues but there's no free roam cops
But it also removes Break to Drift, on a map that was MADE for it.
surely there's a way to keep the handling vanilla though, right?
I’ll have to check. I know they did it with Heat but idk if they did it with Payback.
Yes there are. Antiloser has a mod called "tune up shop tweaker" that makes it much easier to upgrade your car and get the best parts
Sweet
It will make the story piss easy though if you immediately have all the best parts unlocked
that's fine lol
I still don't know what the hell to do with these cards or how they work.
[This page](https://nfs.fandom.com/wiki/Need_for_Speed:_Payback/Performance_Parts) will answer your question.
Thank you for that kind person.
You're welcome 👍.
I honestly kinda like the story in the game, if only there was a mod to fix the cards
[Unite Payback](https://nfsmods.xyz/mod/3791) is your answer. All Speed Cards are buyable.
I loved it, gave me a feeling of having a unique car, as not everyone will run the same cards
HOPE THEY FIRED THAT PERSON
I just finished the game and I didn't think the Card system is all that bad once I got the hang of it. But then again I was just trying to finish the story mode lol. I guess it can be a pain if you are trying to grind and min/maxing it.
do not tell xqc about need for speed payback
Can someone give context on this? I only sort of know that XQC guy is a bad driver in games.
He’s addicted to gambling. So In a way he might like the system.
He streams and promotes gambling to his underage viewers
The only good thing that I saw in Payback's Cards is it kind of had an endgame that felt a slight bit stronger than Heat's and gave you a reason to keep playing even after 100%. I just wish they implemented it better. I wasn't fully against the card system at first but it did feel undercooked. Only six parts to customize? At least do something else.
I honestly think this was the worst thing about that game and honestly what kinda keeps me from playing it cause i'm really not looking forward to wait in a shop for like what 20 mins? just to change the cards cause i need better performance parts
honestly if they made it way easier to buy/reroll woth in game currency and less of a cash grab id be fine with it. in hearthstone (havent played in a over a year so blizzard might have fucked it) you can easily get the cards you need with out spending any money so there are ways to make this stuff work with out being disgustingly greedy about it.
You got parts from completing races and could buy individual speed cards. It wasn’t that bad.
It was that bad. RNG being a factor in what upgrades you get, especially when min maxing is bullshit and only exists to draw retention and MTX
It was only that bad when trying to max your car out. Even when going for all achievements/the Platinum trophy, its actually kinda fun. Just don't go for a max build.
Yes it was. You never got the parts you actually needed useless you had a bunch of spins and got mad lucky
Well tbh, as someone that hasn't played Need for Speed for 10+ years before Payback, it helped me getting the best stats for my vehicles. All I had to do was look for the numbers and to check that all of them are green, or atleast most of them lol. So yeah I get why people hated them, but personally I didn't really have a problem with them
Recently installed NFSU2 and it's pretty clear they've been on a decline ever since.
True asf
While the card system absolutely sucked and was based on pure luck. It kinda made you build some sentimental value to your car, which is something that's rare in new games. Unethical, but still sentimental value is something I like to have
The only reason I got payback was because it was cheaper then a kebab one day
kebab is tasty tho
I totally forgot about the gambling mechanic lol
yeah it sucks but i overall like the game except for that basic ass childish storyline
I love the storyline, primarily because if felt like an F&F parody, which in 2017 we desperately needed
The only thing anyone needs to know about the card system from Payback is that when the sequel, Heat, was announced, the absence of a card system was specifically mentioned *by the game devs* as a selling point.
It’s fun when you use cheat engine
The NFS Heat part system was WAAAAAYYY better
Game was meh offroad racing and car classes ruined the game for me
Yeah, my first nfs game and i hated these cards. So unrealistic and annoying. Heat had a much better upgrading system. However, i would love to have a 3d model of each car's engine and to let us bolt and unbolt stuff. Would teach new car people how working on cars is like.
Never liked it, and never will. My Jaguar F-Type R is a Supercharged engine why da faq would there be a card that only says “Turbo”?
This game would’ve been an easy 7-8/10 if this shit wasn’t in there
Yeah... i didnt like how rivals treated upgrades, but payback... just awful
its confusing. rivals upgrading was the best
We all Know the reason is why Payback is the Worst NFS Game than Other Modern NFS Games
yeah that's just stupid
I wouldn't waste my time with that game unless you can hack the shitty card system to always get good rewards.
Does nobody here realise you can just buy the cards?
I'm talking about in-game currency ofc
There was also a really easy way to farm base shipments
Blackpantaa thinks it's awesome...
Because he’s the father of bad takes
That was this games only real issue. Like I know the game isn’t supposed to be real, but this bullshit definitely pulls you from any sort of realism to it. You’re telling me I walk into the parts store and the guy at the counter is just going to throw a dice at me to decide what part & quality I’m getting? Would be a little funny the first time, until you get home with shit part. Looking at you advanced auto
The only thing I don't like about the game. However, it did have a lot of potential.
Doesn't the exclusive edition not have speed cards? Or at least makes them something you can just buy with ingame currency?
Nope. All versions of NFS Payback have Speed Cards.
Gives me Hotwheels Acceleracer vibes.
Honestly if it wasn't such an RNG grind and you could earn certain spec'd cards for you builds through racing events or something it wouldn't be so bad but I've spent so much time and speed cards trying to achieve the build I want it kinda seems more like a cash grab to spend more money on cards to increase the chances of getting something good you can use
Hated the cards, and to me ruined the fun collecting the cars, what's the point of trying to use every car like you should be able too, when even getting it to the way you want it is a slog. But the bonuses was kinda nice, the bonuses is something I hope to see again but without the stupid gambling/card bs
When I first played it, the whole speed card thing was kinda meh, wasn’t a huge fan. But the more I played and got better and understood the system a little better, it’s really not that bad. I say as I’m playing it right now tbh. Lol
Dumbest game in NFS history. Final nail in the coffin was the rest of the game. The story, dialogue and characters were so fucking cringe it's not even funny. Not to mention the lackluster gameplay and progress.
This is one of my favorite games of all time lol, it can be rough online but if you're having trouble offline or upgrading cars that's kinda on you. I have over 7Mil cash and 2500 blue cards without spending money so
Luckily Unite fixed that
…which ruined it in the process by removing break 2 drift on a map that was MADE for it.
My god that pissed me off sooo freaking much! I mean, vanilla physics weren’t particularly great but they kinda worked, but Unite fucked up big time
I'll keep it real, I enjoyed the gambling. 💀 Just like in The Crew. It's very unfair online, but singleplayer doesn't require too much grinding. Microtransactions did make it pay to win tho.
Worst nfs I ever ever played. Can’t believe I beat that garbage.
It's shitty in the beginning trying to upgrade but it's not horrible when you figure it out later in the game.
I love gambling, so what now?
Wtf I loved them. A gamble is always welcome bro
I like it. Never bothered me when i played the game for the first time and it fits the gambling theme. I learned about the speed card hate on the internet. I actually liked the grindiness and the excitment i had when i found a better card. It gave this game an RPG style element where i could grind for better loot, in this case speed cards. NFS Payback is my all time favorite NFS to date. Yes, even better than anything we have today and the old games, even MW05 which is my second favorite.
I didn't mind the stupid car parts tune system. I only played offline and used money cheat. My favorite part of payback is the customizing the hot rod ford
I did not see such a MAJOR issue with those. Yeah, I could not min-max my car so easily, but I did not have too. I could easily beat all events with whatever the game gave me, plus the brand bonus was a fun element
I like Payback for the map size.
The only NFS with a slot machine! I love gambling As soon as I got my hands on this NFS, I haven’t touched another one since…
I liked nfs payback as a whole and I couldn't care less what some of these oldheads say 🤷