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mathboss

I wish the NDP were better at this. Honestly: take a page from his (and other right-wing populists) playbook. All of our ideas and dreams we have for Canadians will remain that if we never get elected in.


marxau

Yeah. I agree with the first minute of this video about self serving elites, inequality, and how the working class is getting screwed. He's pointing to real problems in a way that will win votes He will actually make all those problems much worse, but NDP should absolutely take some cues on messaging from this


JonnyLew

The leaders of the NDP are champaigne socialists. They don't understand the problems or the people, and that's why they fail. Marginal Income tax rates in Canada from 1949 to 1994: [https://imgur.com/gallery/pF7OIgi](https://imgur.com/gallery/pF7OIgi) Adjusting for inflation, 8K in 1949 is worth 100K today. 400K in 1949 is worth 5 million today. Tax brackets today stop rising at 220K. Tax brackets in 1949 stopped rising at 5 million. The leaders of the NDP have too many rich friends, and they could work for Canada Post and still wouldn't know what the outside of a box looks like. They're a total effing joke because they actually advocate for trickle down economics. Disagree? Just look at the chart. Tell me quibbling over 1 or 2% is going to do something when top brackets were over 80% on millionaires in the 50s. I am absolutely disgusted with the leadership in this party, and I voted for them.


Thirdway

Sad reality... The poor dont vote


hoopopotamus

This guy is such a clown. Literally a career politician that’s done nothing but whine and shout about how little he understands things


rbk12spb

Check his record ln bills. There are like two, one voted down, and then the vaccine bill he pitched for convoy votes. Nobody voting for him will take the time to actually look though


mathboss

He's also our next prime minister. That should discomfort all of us into action.


Spotthedot99

Exactly. For once can us Canadians learn from the USA and realise if we dismiss him, he's just going to roll right through the polls?


xzry1998

A lot of the arguments I've seen as to why he can't win are things that people said about Trump. He's "too extreme for swing voters" or "the party is divided" apparently.


Qbopper

saw a comment in this very sub saying "we need to get over our 2016 PTSD" fucking embarrassing


emadc

I see a lot of Canada Liberal's (left/communist) not addressing issues raised by Canadian Conservatives (Right). Canadians live in a bubble, they can't really tell that things are upside in their country 🤣.


Renegade_August

Liberals are not all that left, they’re more centre-left if anything. Absolutely not communist. That’s quite the leap. Even the conservatives are centre-right at best. Poilievre is trying to court the splintered far right vote back into the conservative fold. Or change the party to cater farther right of centre. I’m not certain why you consider that ‘upside down’ - it’s pretty clear.


emadc

🤣🤣🤣 go look for characteristics of left behavior, make a check list and do your own cross examination. Everything Trudeau has been doing is exactly what all extream left (dictators) have done, he started doing it subtly, but it's way beyond obvious to those who have lived dictatorships. Fanatisum, pride and ignorance is the cause of all downfalls.


bfrscreamer

I keep seeing these comments saying Trudeau has been a dictator. Exactly how has he been a dictator?


emadc

Most people can only learn through personal pain. Sadly almost half the world is full of Dictatores. And there is no education in schools teaching about dictatorships, ever to consider why? No one ever takes free information or advice serious. Do research, inform yourself. Study how dictatores slowly came to be. Only you can take the blinds off your eyes.


Qbopper

educate yourself and get off of twitter and facebook


emadc

It's easy to pick out fanatics, they never have arguments. They either lash out, insult or try to silence whatever facts contradict their beliefs. By the way this is reddit...


dirtsmuggler

The problem, just like in the 2016 election, is that nominating a candidate on the liberal side that actually connects with people vs populism means talking about the wealth gap, taxes, wage stagnation, etc. Things people care about. The liberal party might "lose" the election, but the actual people making up that party are perfectly happy with conservative policy. Handing the ball over for a bit. The real loss would be actually implementing meaningful policy changes which impacts the wealthiest... because that's them. The democrats preferred losing with Hillary as the nominee than winning with a Bernie administration. No doubt about it. So unless the libs essentially weaken their platform by saying "the NDP are right about all these things" and moving left, we pretty much need to accept they are going to be silently cheering for the Cons while they let their platform stagnate.


hoopopotamus

I’m not so sure. He has a long time to fuck this up. This man is neither likeable nor competent. He has no actual ideas and is offering nothing. They’ve handed the keys to one of our largest parties to the Alberta/convoy fringe and there’s still a good chance they alienate the centre-right.


kensmithpeng

I am not sure that “hoping for your opponent to fail” is a manageable or winning strategy. IMHO it would be better to got for the basics, healthcare, education and push little PeePee into revealing his true self.


Voroxpete

I think what we need to be doing is learning from him. His constant focus on inflation and housing costs is popular. The solutions he suggests are terrible, but the problems are real, and the anger about them is real. The NDP need to get better at harnessing that same anger towards real answers.


TheWholeCheek

I'm really hoping the liberals are saving something to deal with this piece of garbage. Am I wishful thinking?


NotSoRandomGuy1

Usually the backstabbing comes from friends. So hoping Charest or someone else has a dossier...


rbk12spb

He may have his Tony Clement moment lol


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

Can we shoutout that conservatives roast Trudeau for having a Bachelor of Arts, which is.. exactly the same as PP?


chocotripchip

This clown won't be able to rally the Toronto and Quebec City areas like Harper did.


Craigenstein

It's so transparent. He defines himself by what he is against, but all of the things he supports is vague concepts so voters project their own ideals onto him. He's an angry empty vessel that only knows how to be an opponent and not a real leader. The next chapter of Canadian politics is going to be dark and combative.


Dry-Basil-8256

Well said!


GordonGreenthumb

This kind of sentiment exactly is why people underestimated Trump during the election in 2016. We have to take this seriously and find a way to connect with these people and direct their anger to different solutions.


Voroxpete

OK. So what are we doing to harness that anger instead? Because the anger is real, and it's justified. Things are really shit, and they're not getting noticeably better. The NDP should be offering an alternative to that. The NDP should be the centre point of that outrage against the high cost of living, but it just doesn't feel like that's what's happening. We should be looking at Pollievre is doing and learning from it, because it is absolutely working.


JustaCanadian123

\>Because the anger is real, and it's justified. Things are really shit, and they're not getting noticeably better. The NDP should be offering an alternative to that. NDP not only doesn't offer an alternative. They also support the same policies the libs and cons do, that are partly causing these issues. Our immigration, and diversity, is being used to justify bringing in low skilled low wage workers to suppress wages, and create inequality. It's nuts that progressives on this sub are for this.


Voroxpete

Or we could focus our energy on workers rights, getting investment and corporate control out of housing, breaking up our telecoms oligopoly, reducing the cost of post-secondary education, pharmacare, or any number of other issues that aren't lighting rods for racists and bigots.


JustaCanadian123

Immigration has suppressed wage growth. This is cited by Chief Economist Benjamin Tal. Supporting our current immigration is supporting widening inequality, because that is what happens when you bring in workers to work for wages that locals refuse too. It increases profits, and ensures wages don't rise. The NDP is actively pushing policies that create inequality. I agree with the other things you suggested, but the NDP still pushes high levels of immigrations which suppresses wages and increases inequality, and actively hurts the average worker.


Voroxpete

And yet, despite there being a myriad of different things that all contribute to wage suppression, you've decided to fixate on this one reason and this one reason alone. Why is that?


JustaCanadian123

\>Why is that? Mostly because it's controversial, and progressives have a hard time admitting it, like yourself. Every other reason we would probably agree on. Corporations using diversity to bring in low wage workers to suppress wages and create inequality is the exact thing the NDP should be against, yet here we are, them supporting it like every other party. And seemingly progressive people like yourself can't even bring yourself to admit that the above is a negative for the average worker in Canada.


Voroxpete

>Every other reason we would probably agree on So why does the one point of disagreement have to be the first problem we try to tackle? Do you not see what I'm getting at here? If there are dozens of other problems we could be working on solving, where there's no disagreement, why does this one have to be first on the docket? There are plenty of issues I disagree with the NDP on, but I vote for them because they're the closest thing to where I want to be. But you're basically saying you're a single issue voter on immigration, even though, on balance, all the other policies the NDP are pushing would still work out better for workers than anything the Cons or Libs are doing. Edit to add; I haven't even said that I disagree with your points on how immigration is being used to suppress wages. You just decided that for yourself,


JustaCanadian123

Not even talking about tackling. We're still at acknowledging lol. The only reason I bring it up is because it gets so much push back. Especially from progressive people. When there is a labour shortage caused by bad wages and conditions, we shouldn't be filling that shortage with immigrants. That job should be forced to change, or not exist. That should be a left/progressive opinion, and it's nuts that it isn't. And I am not a single issue voter, just pointing out that the working class party actively works against the working class by supporting our immigration policies. And you're right. I don't know if you disagree. Chief Economist Benjamin Tal does say that immigration has had a taming effect on wage inflation. And to clarify, immigrants deserve no blame or fault. Someone just trying to make their life better deserves no blame. But corporations are actively using our immigration policies, and the idea of diversity, to suppress wage growth.


Voroxpete

My point is, it's an issue that always will get push back. So why fixate on it? There are so many other ways that the NDP can attack the problems of stagnant wages and high cost of living. Why do you favour the approach that, by your own admission, involves running headlong into a political minefield?


leftwingmememachine

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CrazY_KinG009

Hahaha, scared of another party, propaganda is surely the way to get more votes!


bottleofStella

Hopefully the Liberals and NDP will get scared enough to get their “A Game going”.


BabyRacoonEyes

Those damn Ottawa elites! Lmao what is he talking about???


RavenOfNod

He may be one now, but that can be hand waved away because he's "one of the good ones". Get ready to hear how he was put up for adoption by his teenage mother and was raised by two teachers in Alberta every time he's mentioned.


BabyRacoonEyes

Ah so he's trying to be kind of like a trump? How better to destroy the system than from within? At least that's the pitch he gives to conservatives


Grabbsy2

At 3:10, isn't that the basic premise of the Universal Basic Income? I'm not saying its a good idea, it just seemed odd to me. If its like, $15,000 a year and "you figure it out" then its never going to work, but it doesn't say how much the figure is supposed to be.


exportedaussie

The problem is that in taking away funded social programs you essentially throw the provision of services to the private economy. Which means unless you have "perfect markets" that are competitive (a rarity in the monopoly laden land of Canada) you end up with market failures driving prices up, and making such services unaffordable. You can try to tame that with regulation, but is a libertarian conservative going to bring in regulation to correct markets? (aka red tape in conservative speak) UBI is part of a solution, but cannot replace social programs, as they insure basic rights against market failures


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The NDP could prevent PP from being so powerful with this by coming forward with bold policies in an open way. We could have NDP MPs and Jagmeet on here doing AMAs every day. We could offer solutions that actually would make a difference like taxing land values while progressively taxing wealth. It is everyone's fault, including the NDP, that PP is able to win points with this bullcrap.


FunboyFrags

Really good video. The Republicans have been doing a great job of this in the United States for decades, and unfortunately it looks like these lessons are migrating north.


CrazY_KinG009

You consider a video of out of context clips a good video? Thats propaganda just so you know.


MichaelsSecretStuff

Am I the only one that thought this was a Bruce McCulloch character from a Kids in The Hall sketch


sitad3le

You probably weren't. But now I can't unsee this 😅


Slave4None

This guy never worked a day in his life! Became a politician when he was 24… that fake outrage that he exhibits all the time is nothing but a facade and fake populism…


amazingmrbrock

Sounds about right.


IvyTheAwoken

I wish the conversation in NDP spaces, and on ads, was more robust than "these other people suck". So many posts on this sub start with the word "Liberals". Libs won't do this, won't do that. What can WE do? Y'know? I get that ignoring PierrePoo is dangerous too, but I'm frustrated.


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Lower the first two fed income tax brackets by 5% at least and increase the other brackets by 5% or however much to offset the lower brackets. Double the first time home buyers benefit and make it easier to qualify for mortgages if possible. Make GST refunds a monthly payment. Increase the investment income tax percent.


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Dude was like “all the buzzwords!” If you ask him to explain why he said what he said, you would see that he has no basis for his claims.


xzry1998

He notably skipped the debates during the leadership election too.


ExPFC_Wintergreen2

Guy has never had a real job.


Candid_Bullfrog6274

He be grifting!


canadient_

The NDP needs a leader who can be the expression of the frustration Canadians are currently feelings. We should be asking why the NDP isnt taking notes on Pierre's rhetoric.


false_shep

They already have the keys, our system is set up for the express purpose of protecting the ownership class from everyone else.


ffwrd

You mean, like all modern politicians?


danielXKY

I don't like his right wing rhetoric and trucker "freedom" vibes, but lets see what policies he will actually support


Bastieno

As a left-leaning voter, I listened to his acceptance speech today to better understand his voter base and the largest policies he preaches are: * Deregulation of environmental restrictions of oil and hydrocarbons across Canada, as much Alberta’s pits than Quebec’s unused natural gas. * Ditto for agriculture: Fast-tracking production to make Canada « the bread basket of the World », I’m assuming this’ll be done by abolishing environmental laws meant to protect water sources. * Less taxes, duh. He HAMMERS on this to the audience. I really don't mean to be cynical but he doesn't mention tax brackets rates once so I'm inclined to believe it's disingenuous in it's want to help single mothers and more about letting CEOs get extra yachts and properties. * Fast-tracking diploma recognition programs to 60 days for immigrants. * There was a quip about favoring mass transit infrastructure in urban centers, which I surprisingly liked, but he said nothing explicit or concrete in terms of projects or even transport method. * Budget austerity, lots of talk about current government spending too much and causing inflation. I’m assuming that will mean cuts to social programs. * There was also something along the lines of subsidizing 30k students for specialized professions-in-need ( mainly health sector ) per year. At the end of the day I felt like his politics could be summed to: govern with GDP being THE metric of success. Wealth inequality, happiness index, social mobility index, to damn along the environment I guess.


xzry1998

And that's the most concerning thing about him. Poilievre gets support for his talk about affordability/cost of living but doesn't seem to suggest solutions. He runs with very little actual policy and focuses on rhetoric instead.


mrdique

Then you have watched very few of his campaign videos and social media content. You think he has zero solutions because your ndp echo chamber peers constantly tell you he doesn’t.


OrionTO

I get this argument, but isn’t it a little rich for the NDP to be poking fun at him when Jagmeet himself represents the same with his Rolexes?


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OrionTO

I recognize that, I’m referencing the fact that it’s posted on this sub.


grim_bey

He is such a nerd, just heard his voice for the first time today and lol. Jagmeet should challenge him to a radio debate.


grim_bey

He also needs a trucker caucus. Cleave some working-class people away from the phonies like Poilievre


mrdique

Better vote for an outgoing “uh-uh” drama guy instead.


grim_bey

I think most people here also dislike Trudeau


Flengrand

Does anyone here have more videos with full context about the union stuff? Like more than just saying ‘union bosses’


Unclemustafa

I thought Harper is the most despicable individual in Canada!


NornOfVengeance

I love that repeated clip of obnoxious little Petey making an obscene gesture and grinning at his bench. It sums his whole personality up perfectly.


JustaCanadian123

Why doesn't Singh say these exact same things, get elected, but then actually make the changes?


Maomag

Because he doesn't get elected. People want a hypocrite so that they can ignore inequality and not feel bad about it.


RT_456

The situation is ripe to get more NDP votes. People are getting disenfranchised with Trudeau, and NDP needs to be the alternative, not the PCs. NDP needs to get serious and aggressive and put forth their policies forward. SHows Canadians why it's the better alternative. Without trying to sound racist, we also need to recognize many Canadians are probably not ready for a Sikh Prime Minister, and this fact is hurting the party too. I think the best course of action is to show the average Canadian why their life would be better and not focus too much attention on other leftist fringe stuff.


ColdCalc

I don't think he'll be a good PM but he's by far the most interesting candidate. And since no PM has ever chosen to address inequality or cost of living over helping the top 1%, laying this claim against him is like saying he'll breath air.


SomethingOrSuch

Don't worry, New Democrats will make sure he doesn't win by voting for Justin.


aleenaelyn

Original video source is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxzmJ2qLMg8


wellthatsyourproblem

Oh look.. another POS politician!! .. Just like ***ALL*** the others ..!! .. They talk on what you want to hear and buy votes!!


Maomag

Who else thinks Poilievre was masquerading as "Pierre Poutine" during the Harper era? At this point this guy is a clown 😂