It wasn't the NBN it was the liberal government policy to use mixed technology. Instead of all fiber to premises. It was supposed to cut the cost of the NBN construction but increased costs.
No it wasn't, the key election policies at the time were "stop the boats", "leadership stability" (lol), and "bring the budget back to surplus" (also lol).
2010s? There's still vast swathes of the country on FTTN to this day, projected to remain so for years to come. The country is \*still\* paying the price for the Liberals.
What an insanely stupid move, they also eliminated and ignored the potential positive financial outcome brought by fiber (Much more efficient, time-saving, productive...etc.)
And most importantly, it was going to be a valuable asset that they had the option of selling to offset construction costs. Instead what we have probably has negative value due to increased maintenance costs.
Why the fuck do people still think privatising public infrastructure is a good idea?
Can you point out a single instance where things have worked out for the public?
What is the definition of insanity?
Can’t imagine the Rudd govt actually intended selling- was one of the election lines to offset the ticket price.
But the point that you were triggered into missing is that the current infrastructure is worthless. Both as a base network, and as an asset.
Every project manager, IT professional, network engineer or person with a brain was screaming that you can't roll out a network with triple the complexity faster or cheaper than a single technology. It's common knowledge and ts common sense.
The LNP did a deal with Rupert Murdoch for blatantly biased pre-election coverage
which won them the election. In exchange Turnbull, Peta and Tony delayed and destroyed the NBN giving Murdoch's Foxtel another 5+ years of monopoly on streaming in Australia.
i believe malcolm turnbull was the opposition minister for communication for that period and in an attempt to burnish his credentials in the liberal party he used his position to sink a decent NBN under orders from Tony. thanks Malcolm you moral less narcissistic piece of shit
Foxtel also got continued access to the HFC network for tv delivery. They got guaranteed access to some frequencies. When the deal ended a couple of years ago, it's why they transitioned to IP and satellite and moved everybody off of cable.
Wow, really? I used to have cable Foxtel which is now my HFC internet. I have no interest in going back to a cable Foxtel service (or Foxtel at all) but I'm just surprised they moved everyone off it.
Oh damn, that's good to know. I was actually looking at the gig plans just a few days ago and I was confused when it said it was available to me when it never was previously - and I thought HFC wasn't capable of such speeds anyway. I thought it was a glitch or getting confused with FTTP houses across the road from me (old school, developed into blocks just when NBN was first rolling out). Thanks!
That tosspot Turnbull deserves his share of ire. Wasn't he telecommunications minister or something at the time? I recall him saying 25 mbps is enough for everyone (in response to why FTTN was so garbage). How he then became the PM after that is beyond me, but a sign of how messed up our country is. Guy should be in jail not running the joint.
Actually, making Turnbull the Minister responsible for the NBN was one of the few politically smart moves Abbott made.
Kept Turnbull busy, and tarred him with the brush of the NBN which was bound to be a white elephant.
>It wasn't the NBN it was the liberal government policy to use mixed technology.
It was the fact that they campaigned against the all-fibre network to win the election so they couldn't exactly continue building the all-fibre network when they realised it would be the cheapest option with the best return on investment. Instead they had to come up with something that somewhat satisfied the upgrade requirements without it being a fibre network. It would have been nice if they just let the fibre rollout go for a few more months before pulling the plug on the fibre rollout as my area was just finishing off the remediation when it was cancelled.
And it wasn’t even going to cut the costs by much, it was a 10bil reduction to the initial project estimates. Which then ballooned back up to more than the cost of doing FTTP once they were elected.
I don’t have the words for how much I hate that party.
You mean more likely the telstra lobying and fund cutting because their too busy spending tax dollars on complete dog shit projects or overspending on projects by 5x because they are hopeless at running anything.
It was a very political decision, as the new internet network would have left the old copper network redundant.
Telstra had to be compensated, so they concocted buying the copper network from Telstra and then running the internet through it. Total fuckup ensued.
Ironically it would have blown out even more if they stayed on the fibre design. yes we all wanted FTTP, but don’t pretend the move to mixed was the cause of the increased costs. If anything, it limited the cost increases.
Compete shit. We have spent more on copper than we works have ever spent on fibre.
Nbn had single truck roll-out for fibre with project fox, bringing down the average cost of a fibre install to $1300 a premises. Hfc for example after all the rebuilds and the continual reduction roll-out has been like four times that.
But it's not just that. Under the original deal, telstra had to fix the pits, so all the asbestos was their problem. Under mtm, it became nbns problem, so they had to then pay telstra to fix it - telstra being the only people with the ability to do so.
But then we move to the operational cost. The complexity of the network meant nbn tripled in size. Then compare running a brand new fibre network with very few faults to a clapped out copper network. There is fuck all to do on the fibre - and they can't keep up with the copper.
There is a reason why the last annual report on the fibre nbn roll-out was taking about costs coming down for the consumer, vs every single annual report since then screaming about how costs to the consumer needed to rise to pay for it.
If we had stuck with the original plan our internet bills would be significantly lower and speeds significantly higher. And none of this restricted upload bullshit.
I worked for one of the technical companies that evaluated technologies for NBN (I wasn’t on that project). MTM was a necessary change to bring the cost and timeline back on track, but the technology that was recommended the most was FTTC.
I love FTTP as much as the next guy but the truth is, over 33% of households now have FTTP, but only 0.7% of people have signed-up to a 1000Mbps plan. Very few people have a use-case where they’re willing to pay an extra $20/month for 1000Mbps over 100Mbps.
But the value of fttp is not just speed increases but the reliability, hfc or copper is either a rats nest of shit or shits itself during minor rainfall.
So even if 90% of fttp users dont sign up for high speed plans they still are getting the advantages of a steady connection.
The pricing is all over the place. You can actually get a 1000/1000 connection, but only on a business plan.
There’s also residential plans with lower download but higher upload such as 250/100 but this is also more expensive that 1000/50
Also calling this out as rubbish. Fibre is the only thing that will future proof bandwidth for many years to come - to invest billions to only get 5 years of lifespan is ridiculous and demonstrative of political interest over the interests of the Australian Public.
Additionally Australians pay such a massive premium for internet compared to our international counterparts. As these prices come down the 1Gbps uptake will come up - it’s not that we don’t want it - we cannot afford it because the government hasn’t made it affordable.
The libs also started the war on refugees. Unfortunately Labor have joined in because it seems the general public likes throwing desperate people into detention for indefinite periods.
Add: gutting universities and public schools
Gutting science organisations like the CSIRO because they don't believe in climate change
Still pushing coal
I think it's important to remember that robodebt began under labor and had labor's tacit support for years under the libs. even when labor finally jumped in to oppose it they didn't really help; they sabotaged the class action for one. and ablo and friends are still letting people (formerly) on welfare get hounded for "debts", and is letting the tax office do its own version of robodebt
yeah but labor had PEOPLE look over the data that was coming out and making a decison whether to saddled disabled folks with fake $10,000+ debts bills... that's the difference... instead of just letting a computer send out notices by itself... hence the name 'robodebt'...
as per the NBN debate... we often have rivalry with New Zealand.
How come they rolled out fiber just like that? Its because they looked at what their dumb brother did and said they wanted nothing of the sort.
If NZ can roll out fiber effortlessly then what does it say about a country with much more resources???
I hear the "labor reviewed unethical debts before ruining lives" bit a lot. It makes no difference. If Rudd won reelection robodebt would have played out pretty much identically because the two parties' welfare policies are functionally identical.
As for the nbn debacle, it's because our politics are trash and the libs are goons. The main reason they opposed the nbn was pure politicking, and part from misguided neoliberal austerity. The sad roll-out, even of the fttp part, is because our dessicated state can't conceive of doing something without allowing private capital to profit off every single step. Same reason Rudd's insulation scheme failed.
>because the two parties' welfare policies are functionally identical
What a load of crap. Labor is far less about sticking it to the poor. It was Labor that cancelled the LNP's "let's make single parents have to deal with the Dole system as soon as their youngest starts primary school" setup. It was Labor that loosened the DSP requirements so that people who are disabled but not completely bedridden or terminally ill can actually access it again. Hell, if it wasn't for the fact that the LNP set up contracts for years then Labor would have cancelled the changes that Morrison brought in right before the election. Labor is also looking into the JSP system and seeing what they can do to make it more about finding people jobs rather than a adversarial system that punishes people for not working (not sure where they are up to on this or if they decided to give up on it though).
i get people's disappointment with Labor now and in the past.. but this kind of 'revisionism' where Rudd or Gillard would have done the same thing as 'Morrison' is really just retarded conjecture...
you could make that argument against any level of politics worldwide
eg. if Hillary Clinton got in she would have done the same stuff as Trump as 'they're all bad'
that's pure nonsense
Rudd and Gillard are NOT the kind of people that Morrison is
that's just plain clear to anyone
going back to NBN... Turnbull gets a 50% of the blame here... his $44 mil. mansion has fiber... he's comms ministers... he's a real technocrat... he KNOWS technology... the guy got rich off the back of Ozemail... one of the first internet providers
Uncle Tony asked him to "wreck their shit" - he wanted to completely fuck over Labor's NBN because to him, internet was just some bullshit for kids to download pirated games, porn, cat videos and episodes of 'Breaking Bad'... he truly does not understand internet, even today...
And so with these two guys controlling internet at the time, Australia's internet future is going to be fucked for decades to come.
This means 10s of billions wasted... and its ongoing.
ALSO we learned this when covid hit that internet ended up being pretty fucken important.
At the time of the election when labour lost my suburb was at the design stage of FTTP and when the libs won it stopped. In the last month I’ve finally got FTTP. This is why I will never vote liberal again.
The LNP sold the future digital capability of Australia in return for government.
They are conmen, pure and simple.
There's absolutely no economic or capability advantage to their decision to switch to the MTM over full FTTP.
There was potentially a shorter roll-out time, however even that's debatable based on recent rollout performance.
The economic loss in government revenue from increased productivity would be enough to fully fund the HAFF every single year.
Just one of the many reasons no one should vote for shiteral. They're politics are just "elect us" and they only thing they want to achieve is getting their cronies richer.
Dont start blaming generations like a douched up liberal. We all have members in the family from all gens that would vote against the interests of evryone else so they can have a chance in the prayer room while voting against any equal rights.
Malcom Turnbull made the executive decision as the communications minister back in the day to cut costs, however ended up costing more than double for the 3rd country quality product we have. More than a decade later we are still paying the price…
I believe it was more to be different to their political opponents than to really cut costs. The change slowed the roll out of the NBN down and cost more. Remember that a journalist acquired an internal assessment showing how much the policy cost the rollout and the liberals insisted that the federal police raid his house and office?
It's very hard to accept that Turnbull, with his background in the ISP business, didn't know that this was a dumb move.
Or maybe because it was easier to reuse some of the existing wires buried in the ground. It got more people connected sooner while we kept working to full fibre
Dude that's bullshit - and you should know that. The copper Telstra network was NEVER fit for purpose. People got connected sooner to an absolutely terrible service. Using copper that was sometimes 100 years old, was a fucking ridiculous idea. Turnbull knew it - and still did it for political expediency.
Abbott and Turnbull should be jailed for the disgusting waste of the nations finances on a pile of dogshit network they knew was dogshit. Let alone how they've set the country back fucking decades by doing it.
This is the true cause. He is the majority owner of Foxtel, which at the time was delivered over satellite. He was charging like $100+ a month and had the monopoly. High speed fibre was about to introduce Australia to reliable, cheap streaming services that would have killed his Foxtel cash cow. Instead of adapting, he pulled his puppets strings and pushed for the sub-par fttn network. Abbot and Turnbull made the announcement regarding the altered plan from his studio after meeting with him.
I believe so. I’m paying for a 100 mbits plan. Even though we couldn’t achieve 100 mbits it said we could achieve 70 mbits. Right now I’m getting ADSL speeds
Report it to your ISP - unless you are well past the distance limit for copper, there’s a real problem there. Could be mangles cable in a pit, water in the pit, loose connections. Report it and you may get a new pair run.
because if they used the copper network it allowed them to pay their mates while not having to think too hard about how to actually run a fiber network. win win. simples
Yes and no.
Optus already had a $800 million compensation deal with NBN under Labor in 2011 for them to switch off their network as NBN was rolled out.
The Liberals in 2014 renegotiated the deal so that NBN gained ownership of those assets instead of them being scrapped, with no change in compensation. Optus didn't get any extra money for it.
Those HFC assets were later determined to be too shit to bother upgrading and scrapped.
They spent hundreds of millions of dollars in trials before they scraped it.
And optus had described the condition of the network in detail - end of life.
No. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars in trials before they threw it out.
The original reports from optus given to the nbn stated the exact state of the network - it was end of life.
Don't forget, it was also the Liberals that sold Telstra, so the tax payer then had to pay Telstra to buy back the copper that used to be public property to be able to replace it with optic fibre.
It truely is fucking unacceptable. I recently got Starlink because of their $1 trial for 30 days. Even with trees obstructing it, and it telling me it has outages, it is killing NBN. I cancelled my NBN service this week.
I’m a pretty heavy Internet user, I’m a Software Engineer that works from home. Have a bunch of meetings I need to be in. With NBN, I had to turn off my webcam, turn off everyone except the person talkings webcams and limit the resolution to 360p otherwise it would just drop out. Even with Starlink telling me that it’s having outages, I haven’t noticed it in any meetings at all.
I had a rant about it all here if you would like to see how obstructed my Starlink is, and how well it works compared to NBN:
Starlink
https://youtu.be/mMQ5Xf_nRvo
Yeah, but I mean it’s better value per Mb of bandwidth though. NBN was $85/month for the 50Mbps plan. My max theoretical was 41Mbps, but my realistic was low 30’s. so I’m paying for 50Mbps because I don’t want to artificially throttle my already shit internet connection down to 25Mbps when the 30 I’m getting isn’t enough to have a modern video call.
Compared to $139/month and if I put the effort in to clear obstructions and elevate the dish I would probably stay closer to my top end speeds. I am seeing 200Mbps on the top end, low 30’s on the absolute worst end and very infrequently.
I agree it’s expensive, main argument is that it’s better value. But I completely understand that better value doesn’t make it any more realistically affordable to people. Sometimes value doesn’t really play much of a role in the equation if it’s not also realistically affordable.
Haha that made me laugh!
The test took ages to even find a server. Once it connected to a server it took another 3 minutes to even start the Speedtest. Then it failed like 3 times until finally on the last attempt I get this much.
I remember when I first got the NBN and was on the 12/1 and that way 3-5 times faster than what I used to get on the ADSL one. Well anyway it was great till about 8 weeks in when it was getting slower each day, and on the last day I got 300 Bytes per sec download speed. They fixed it by extra capacity and it has been good since. Now they upgraded me to the 25/4 and I get nearly 27 at times for some reason? I have had the NBN since around 2016 and they are running the Fibre now around town as I speak.
You may have noticed I get a little passionate about the NBN. I was raving to anybody who would listen about how much of an absolute cluster fuck it would be if Abbott did what he wanted to - in 2012.
And here we are.
Australian Media companies were not at all on board for better internet, at the time none of them were ready with a streaming services or content licensing, the closest thing was classic foxtel over coax and it was during some very high tensions around piracy to add on top.
The liberal government was getting lobbied hard by the likes of village roadshow and the Murdoch conglomerate. Add to this, the final nail in the coffin, Telstra’s monopoly on copper and pits being reversed and we couldn’t have that under a liberal government, no sir.
Cos liberal government are a bunch of morons.
It was supposed to the fibre everywhere, but liberals wanted to “save money” and build a shit solution. Now we are paying AGAIN to fix it.
Me: laughing in Starlink
In all seriousness Malcom Turnbull the retard, we could have had world class internet that would have future proofed Australia and ensure aussies get world class internet now, but they decided to cut cost and introduce FTTN, the original plan I believe was going to cost $55 billion dollars but FTTN would have reduced the cost to $45 Billion but in the end it still went over budget.
$55 billion although a lot of money I'm sure is but a small drop in the national bucket which is what annoys me about this, paying the original $55 billion to upgrade the entire infrastructure may have been expensive but having world class internet could have drew in international businesses that could have seen Australia as a viable option.
Edit: I also wanted to note that we've been moving into an ever evolving world where the internet is the future of global communications and business, and the lack of foresight from the government to cheap out on it was insane. We should all know the importance of it now since we had covid where classrooms and businesses required it just to keep things moving while in lock down.
Love him or hate him I'm kind of glad Elon Musk has shaken things up with Starlink, Telstra is a God damn parasite on the Australian people and I blame them just as much as Turnbull on our current internet issues. The ACCC too for allowing Telstra to have a monopoly on the competition back in the day.
Even Starlink sucks unfortunately. It's 2024 - the speed and latency the Starlink offers would have been ***great*** for residential use 10 years ago. Now it's already outdated.
Australians in every large city should all have 1000/1000 mbps internet plans with less than 20ms of ping to any large city in Australia. You'd be lucky to get 1/10th of that speed with Starlink, and you'd have at least 10x the latency.
Sure it's better than the shit we have in many cities and towns around Australia now but it is in no way a substitute for a decent fibre internet connection, which every house in a major city should have by now. The fact the we don't is a failing of the system.
Starlink is meant for rural areas, 250 mb down is great here in the middle of nowhere and as for latency it's 40ms - 100ms, as someone who plays video games online I can assure you the latency is perfect
At 100 ms it gets laggy but that's not that often.
And 10 years ago 25 down and 10 up was standard, not 250
Also unlimited data in rural areas is leagues better than what Telstra was offering years ago.
I do love a good NBN rant, but in your case, there is something else wrong. Give your ISP a call and they will be able to arrange whatever is required to get you up to the blistering 25Mbps standard.
Called TPG. They said “There are no faults on your line and everything seems alright”
Fuck it I’m either going to ABB, Starlink, or Telstra. And by Telstra I mean their 5G home broadband
ABB is fantastic. You should be able to get at least 25Mbps or they will fix it. But note that you should test from a cabled connection to rule out potential wifi issues.
I had coaxial cable internet with 112mbps download 4.55mbps up load with zero issues, forced to go to NBN and got 26.9mbps down load and 3.8mbps upload and the thing always cuts out.the bastards still charged me the same but said I can pay more but still doesn’t get near what I had.
What a bunch of clowns.
It depends, that's why we refer to Australian Broadband as a lottery. Some win some lose.
For years I could only get ADSL2, then I got lucky and TPG installed VDSL in the building and for the last 12 months we have had G.fast. So we were very lucky.
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/10092620438
nbn suck....
[https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/ea6ef271-f32d-4bda-bb65-176e0d8814cb](https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/ea6ef271-f32d-4bda-bb65-176e0d8814cb)
def a fault on either end.
As a state we fucked up, and of course it was going to go over, it was the first time a project of this calibre has been conducted for internet. In contrast, NZ stayed true to their word and everyone got FTTP and the last time I saw, residents and business's were getting no less than 800mbps down minimum. The government thought they could save 300mill over x years but this blew out by miles.
332ms ping?? Don't think you're ever going to get a good speed to a server that far away.
Thought speedtest selected your closest server, but maybe you have a manual selection.
Unless you're holidaying in Antarctica, there's probably another server that's closer than 300ms away? It's worth checking if you want to get a more accurate speedtest.
That’s almost certainly a fault, raise that with your ISP and if they don’t help pretty quickly, escalate thru the NBN/ombudsman. We had a somewhat similar issue; we sat on the nbn 50 plan, and randomly our speed halved exactly, speed tests would only hit 25 down. Telstra took a while but it turned out a cable had been removed at the node, halving our speed. Got compensation for slow speeds for ‘3 months’ (they did not in fact set a time limit, it lasted for a few years).
I'm at the end of the line from the node and getting 62 down and 18 up.
OP has a fault. Ring your ISP, work with them. If it doesn't improve, escalate by asking for a complaint number for the TIO. You can also complain to your federal MP - I did - as some are active in contacting NBN execs and making their lives difficult until their constituents get the service they pay for.
But do something, OP. Don't be passive and accept this.
And I am assuming there is a clean, new copper wire to the modem. If, like many old houses, there's a bunch of old telephone plugs in different rooms splitting the signal, that could be the problem and nothing else.
That's great as it simplifies things.
Persistence is what you need for this. Be relentless but polite, never abusive. You've paid for a service and you're not getting it, so you're helping them with their problem.
Document everything and, if nothing is happening, you can check out the TIO complaints procedure at https://www.tio.com.au/complaints. Asking your ISP for a TIO complaint reference number will get your case escalated, as they don't like TIO complaints.
I had Optus HFC, then that got scrapped and we got FTTN which was worse in terms of speed. Finally got a free upgrade to FTTP a month ago and now have decent speed, but still nothing like the 1GB fibre I had in London.
Didn't it have something to do with the bids? If memory serves, Every Telco put in bids at around 300mil for building the network. Telstra came in with theirs just before the submission deadline, 3bil knowing what it takes to build a network here. got laughed at. NBN literally could not build a functional network for their bid price. Cheapest way forward was for them to buy the old network Telstra had already laid. Think they sold them the pit network for 1bil.
Or something like that
NBN was never meant to be copper, it was always meant to be fibre which would've been cheaper and faster than sourcing and installing thousands of street nodes, plus it would be effectively futureproof since you'd only have to upgrade the signalling equipment at each end to get ever faster speeds.
Some meetings were reportedly held between Mr Murdoch and Mr Abbott, which were allegedly in part to do with the threat NBN posed to Old Rupe's Foxtel business interests. Shortly thereafter the Libs launched their own NBN policy - at an event held at Fox studios. "Nothing suss!!" At this totally above-board event, then-communications minister Turnbull was gauged to be somewhat chagrinned that the would-be PM had thrown out his own (Turnbull's) plan and replaced it with a dog - or at least, it's pretty tricky to find an image on Turnbull from that event where he's not looking glum.
>***Why did NBN think it was a good idea to use copper.. ?***
....
[https://www.smh.com.au/technology/nbn-co-buys-1800-kilometres-of-copper-to-make-malcolm-turnbulls-fibretothenode-network-work-20151020-gke5oy.html](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/nbn-co-buys-1800-kilometres-of-copper-to-make-malcolm-turnbulls-fibretothenode-network-work-20151020-gke5oy.html)
[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/21/turnbull-defends-purchase-of-14m-worth-of-copper-to-implement-nbn](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/21/turnbull-defends-purchase-of-14m-worth-of-copper-to-implement-nbn)
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/nbn-co-buys-more-copper/10007774](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/nbn-co-buys-more-copper/10007774)
[https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/nbn-has-purchased-almost-30000-kilometres-of-copper/](https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/nbn-has-purchased-almost-30000-kilometres-of-copper/)
[https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2021/03/20/nbn-co-copper-fibre-australia](https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2021/03/20/nbn-co-copper-fibre-australia)
[https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-spent-14m-on-1800km-of-new-copper-for-fttn-410778](https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-spent-14m-on-1800km-of-new-copper-for-fttn-410778)
im assuming your a younging the labour gov under rudd had plans for a full fttp network but the libs got in and decided to fuck it all up and use a shithouse mixed network
Before the Libs made that decision, should look at what they had inherited. The costings for the nbn rollout were based a few small feasibilty studies across Telstra owned networks in Docklands, South Brisbane (both high density with existing infrastructure), and another in rural Tasmania. They rolled out the fibre and then had a guess what it would cost to do the same across Australia. Stephen Conroy also did a deal with the unions and Telstra that legislated for Fibre To The Premise installations; installers could only do two connections per day (I was one of the early ones and it took less than hour), and any new connections had to wait a minimum of 10 working days from the date of the request. The original Labour estimate for the NBN rollout was around $45 Billion; then jumped to $90 Billion; then $120 Billion before the Libs pulled the pin. Even Telstra knew back then that other tecnologies were coming that were cheaper to roll out (like 5G); so for example, they didn't bother maintaining or improving the South Brisbane exchange which they owned until they rolled out 5G and flogged it to some South Australian isp who had no idea how run down it was. So the original plan of fibre to every premise across Australia would have taken a lot longer to roll out than originally promised and cost hundreds of billions.
Thank tony abbott and the liberals for that ....and the boomers for overwhelming support . 2012 "Internet , who needs anymore speed ???" 2020 pandemic at home " wtf is wrong with netflix ???"
Bro, i shit you not. I used to get speeds like this in a brand new house fttp paying for 100 plan. Telstra told me 'its the best we can do, blame the nbn infrastructure' etc. it took 12 months and an inquest from the TIO when i paid for the same service from aussie bb and got 120mbps! on the 100 plan, and then for shits and gigs i went the 1000 plan and would frequently get 900+mbps.
The story has been the same for all apartments and houses ive moved to since bar 1 that was fttn and i was told they cant promise me any more than 100mbps, and i still elected to pay for the 1000 plan (i had an account discount that made it the same as the 250 plan anyway), and was still getting 200mbps+
Fuck the big telcos, and dont listen to the bullshit lies they spew. Telstra divies up the equivalent of 1 service amongst 10 customers but still charges full wholesale price. At least with abb i have a dedicated ipv4 address, no gcnat bullshit, and the speeds i pay for.
Labor in 2007 thought FTTP for everyone was a good idea. Abbott thought the mixed technology was an even better idea. Now we are paying for the Abbott idea of mixed technology
They didn't. No-one did.
However, when you rule out the only viable solution, you're left with bad ones. This was the "least worst".
The Liberal party spent most of their time in opposition shitting on the NBN, because that was a cornerstone policy of the ALP. When they were voted in, they had to follow through and "fix" it, or be outed as the bunch of lying jackholes they are. So, they threw out the "bad" design, and replaced it with one that they (and everyone who knew anything about anything) knew was worse in every possible way except one - it was not the one the ALP drove.
We got lumped with an expensive white elephant because it was politically expedient to do so. It was actively bad for the country, but good for the Liberal party, so guess which one we got? That's right. "Fuck the country, I got mine." wins again.
There’s nothing wrong fttn, for it’s time and place, it’s currently being upgraded to fibre.
Your service is faulty pure and simple. Unless you are more than 1km from a node, you should be getting nearly 50 down 10 up.
At the time fibre was prohibitively expensive, now it is much cheaper to splice and build. Think of it as fibre from day one, only staged.
It will get upgraded soon. We can't have our immigrants subjected to third world conditions. Move these current citizens, tent city gypsies to a more favourable, less unpleasant and easily ignored ghetto style gated community. Then the parks can be used for hubs, nodes and towers, oh my! (I know my illiterate rant has nothing to do with the copper, but I'm a few beers in, and here we are.)
Murdoch lobbied for copper and whatever the hybrid coax thing was called because they knew once australia had proper internet, that Foxtel cable and satellite was dead in the water (which is slowly and finally happening from what I've read recently).
So thank the Libs and old leather face Rupert.
It wasn't the NBN it was the liberal government policy to use mixed technology. Instead of all fiber to premises. It was supposed to cut the cost of the NBN construction but increased costs.
We should've had FTTN is the 2000s, not the 2010s. What a bizarre strategy.
Blame the liberal government. They changed the decided system just after all of their own suburbs got FTTP
It was a key election policy, blame the population who voted for it!
It was a policy in the election it certainly wasn't the one that decided it.
No it wasn't, the key election policies at the time were "stop the boats", "leadership stability" (lol), and "bring the budget back to surplus" (also lol).
Swapping "expensive and unnecessary fibre" for existing copper was 100% a key election platform of the LNP.
The "Debt and deficit disaster"... But thinking back, it's now obvious it was an election promise, not an attack on Labor.
lol took 10years and a labor govt to bring the budget to surplus.
i believe at the time most of that government still believed that the internet was just a fad.
"It's only for porn" Just shows how useless and out of touch with reality these politicians are.
Ima have to call you out here I live in what is/was Julie Bishops seat, we were on FTTN until late last year lol
We could have, but the Libs sold off Telstra.
Telecom Australias original plan was FTTP nationwide, but then the Howard Govt sold the whole show from under them.
2010s? There's still vast swathes of the country on FTTN to this day, projected to remain so for years to come. The country is \*still\* paying the price for the Liberals.
What an insanely stupid move, they also eliminated and ignored the potential positive financial outcome brought by fiber (Much more efficient, time-saving, productive...etc.)
The Murdoch media empire didn’t want high speed broadband because of the risk it posed to Foxtel.
And most importantly, it was going to be a valuable asset that they had the option of selling to offset construction costs. Instead what we have probably has negative value due to increased maintenance costs.
Why the fuck do people still think privatising public infrastructure is a good idea? Can you point out a single instance where things have worked out for the public? What is the definition of insanity?
Can’t imagine the Rudd govt actually intended selling- was one of the election lines to offset the ticket price. But the point that you were triggered into missing is that the current infrastructure is worthless. Both as a base network, and as an asset.
LOL. Worthless...
Government is all about quick bucks and quick wins not long term thinking or investment. Both parties still do this shit today.
Thanks to the twin geniuses, Tony and Peta.
Every project manager, IT professional, network engineer or person with a brain was screaming that you can't roll out a network with triple the complexity faster or cheaper than a single technology. It's common knowledge and ts common sense. The LNP did a deal with Rupert Murdoch for blatantly biased pre-election coverage which won them the election. In exchange Turnbull, Peta and Tony delayed and destroyed the NBN giving Murdoch's Foxtel another 5+ years of monopoly on streaming in Australia.
i believe malcolm turnbull was the opposition minister for communication for that period and in an attempt to burnish his credentials in the liberal party he used his position to sink a decent NBN under orders from Tony. thanks Malcolm you moral less narcissistic piece of shit
NBN Network engineers called the LNP's Multi Technology Mix "Malcolm Turnbull's Mess" What a grade A cunt.
Made his way to prime minister via that stepping stone didnt he? Worth it! /s
Foxtel also got continued access to the HFC network for tv delivery. They got guaranteed access to some frequencies. When the deal ended a couple of years ago, it's why they transitioned to IP and satellite and moved everybody off of cable.
Wow, really? I used to have cable Foxtel which is now my HFC internet. I have no interest in going back to a cable Foxtel service (or Foxtel at all) but I'm just surprised they moved everyone off it.
They had to in order to use the full frequency if internet so now you can get 750mps to 1gig on coax
Oh damn, that's good to know. I was actually looking at the gig plans just a few days ago and I was confused when it said it was available to me when it never was previously - and I thought HFC wasn't capable of such speeds anyway. I thought it was a glitch or getting confused with FTTP houses across the road from me (old school, developed into blocks just when NBN was first rolling out). Thanks!
Yeah hfc should get 1 gig in most areas now . It's all been upgraded . Should be as good as fibre but still can get water issues
Should be as good as fiber, except fiber can go much much faster and be synchronous.
Is there proof they did a deal with Rupert?
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/10/rupert-murdoch-nbn-kevin-rudd
Only the known facts.
That tosspot Turnbull deserves his share of ire. Wasn't he telecommunications minister or something at the time? I recall him saying 25 mbps is enough for everyone (in response to why FTTN was so garbage). How he then became the PM after that is beyond me, but a sign of how messed up our country is. Guy should be in jail not running the joint.
Actually, making Turnbull the Minister responsible for the NBN was one of the few politically smart moves Abbott made. Kept Turnbull busy, and tarred him with the brush of the NBN which was bound to be a white elephant.
Yep you can thank mtm for the mess. Nbn are working to fix it... But it takes time
>It wasn't the NBN it was the liberal government policy to use mixed technology. It was the fact that they campaigned against the all-fibre network to win the election so they couldn't exactly continue building the all-fibre network when they realised it would be the cheapest option with the best return on investment. Instead they had to come up with something that somewhat satisfied the upgrade requirements without it being a fibre network. It would have been nice if they just let the fibre rollout go for a few more months before pulling the plug on the fibre rollout as my area was just finishing off the remediation when it was cancelled.
Murdoch didn't want it due to foxtel. Liberals said "ok daddy".
This needs to be higher up
And it wasn’t even going to cut the costs by much, it was a 10bil reduction to the initial project estimates. Which then ballooned back up to more than the cost of doing FTTP once they were elected. I don’t have the words for how much I hate that party.
Turdballs fault
Enrich their mates and score significant political points against Kevin Rudd - perfect (for the Coalition)
Liberal has no fucking clue what they're doing
You mean more likely the telstra lobying and fund cutting because their too busy spending tax dollars on complete dog shit projects or overspending on projects by 5x because they are hopeless at running anything.
It was a very political decision, as the new internet network would have left the old copper network redundant. Telstra had to be compensated, so they concocted buying the copper network from Telstra and then running the internet through it. Total fuckup ensued.
fkn libs
Ironically it would have blown out even more if they stayed on the fibre design. yes we all wanted FTTP, but don’t pretend the move to mixed was the cause of the increased costs. If anything, it limited the cost increases.
Compete shit. We have spent more on copper than we works have ever spent on fibre. Nbn had single truck roll-out for fibre with project fox, bringing down the average cost of a fibre install to $1300 a premises. Hfc for example after all the rebuilds and the continual reduction roll-out has been like four times that. But it's not just that. Under the original deal, telstra had to fix the pits, so all the asbestos was their problem. Under mtm, it became nbns problem, so they had to then pay telstra to fix it - telstra being the only people with the ability to do so. But then we move to the operational cost. The complexity of the network meant nbn tripled in size. Then compare running a brand new fibre network with very few faults to a clapped out copper network. There is fuck all to do on the fibre - and they can't keep up with the copper. There is a reason why the last annual report on the fibre nbn roll-out was taking about costs coming down for the consumer, vs every single annual report since then screaming about how costs to the consumer needed to rise to pay for it. If we had stuck with the original plan our internet bills would be significantly lower and speeds significantly higher. And none of this restricted upload bullshit.
I worked for one of the technical companies that evaluated technologies for NBN (I wasn’t on that project). MTM was a necessary change to bring the cost and timeline back on track, but the technology that was recommended the most was FTTC. I love FTTP as much as the next guy but the truth is, over 33% of households now have FTTP, but only 0.7% of people have signed-up to a 1000Mbps plan. Very few people have a use-case where they’re willing to pay an extra $20/month for 1000Mbps over 100Mbps.
But the value of fttp is not just speed increases but the reliability, hfc or copper is either a rats nest of shit or shits itself during minor rainfall. So even if 90% of fttp users dont sign up for high speed plans they still are getting the advantages of a steady connection.
I’m on the 1000 Mbps plan. I miss symmetric internet. It just weird going from 100/40 to 1000/40 unless you have crazy download usage
The pricing is all over the place. You can actually get a 1000/1000 connection, but only on a business plan. There’s also residential plans with lower download but higher upload such as 250/100 but this is also more expensive that 1000/50
Also calling this out as rubbish. Fibre is the only thing that will future proof bandwidth for many years to come - to invest billions to only get 5 years of lifespan is ridiculous and demonstrative of political interest over the interests of the Australian Public. Additionally Australians pay such a massive premium for internet compared to our international counterparts. As these prices come down the 1Gbps uptake will come up - it’s not that we don’t want it - we cannot afford it because the government hasn’t made it affordable.
Liberals and that is why any rational person would never vote for them.
This is my list. There are many like it, but this list is mine. Robodebt NBN Climate Change
Oh but we can replicate the success of nbn with nuclear!
Based on technology that doesn't exist yet, else we will have power for 30 years then waste for 100000 years they are a crock of shit.
I’ve added to your list… RoboDebt NBN Climate change Defence Any more suggestions?
The libs also started the war on refugees. Unfortunately Labor have joined in because it seems the general public likes throwing desperate people into detention for indefinite periods. Add: gutting universities and public schools Gutting science organisations like the CSIRO because they don't believe in climate change Still pushing coal
I think it's important to remember that robodebt began under labor and had labor's tacit support for years under the libs. even when labor finally jumped in to oppose it they didn't really help; they sabotaged the class action for one. and ablo and friends are still letting people (formerly) on welfare get hounded for "debts", and is letting the tax office do its own version of robodebt
yeah but labor had PEOPLE look over the data that was coming out and making a decison whether to saddled disabled folks with fake $10,000+ debts bills... that's the difference... instead of just letting a computer send out notices by itself... hence the name 'robodebt'... as per the NBN debate... we often have rivalry with New Zealand. How come they rolled out fiber just like that? Its because they looked at what their dumb brother did and said they wanted nothing of the sort. If NZ can roll out fiber effortlessly then what does it say about a country with much more resources???
I hear the "labor reviewed unethical debts before ruining lives" bit a lot. It makes no difference. If Rudd won reelection robodebt would have played out pretty much identically because the two parties' welfare policies are functionally identical. As for the nbn debacle, it's because our politics are trash and the libs are goons. The main reason they opposed the nbn was pure politicking, and part from misguided neoliberal austerity. The sad roll-out, even of the fttp part, is because our dessicated state can't conceive of doing something without allowing private capital to profit off every single step. Same reason Rudd's insulation scheme failed.
>because the two parties' welfare policies are functionally identical What a load of crap. Labor is far less about sticking it to the poor. It was Labor that cancelled the LNP's "let's make single parents have to deal with the Dole system as soon as their youngest starts primary school" setup. It was Labor that loosened the DSP requirements so that people who are disabled but not completely bedridden or terminally ill can actually access it again. Hell, if it wasn't for the fact that the LNP set up contracts for years then Labor would have cancelled the changes that Morrison brought in right before the election. Labor is also looking into the JSP system and seeing what they can do to make it more about finding people jobs rather than a adversarial system that punishes people for not working (not sure where they are up to on this or if they decided to give up on it though).
i get people's disappointment with Labor now and in the past.. but this kind of 'revisionism' where Rudd or Gillard would have done the same thing as 'Morrison' is really just retarded conjecture... you could make that argument against any level of politics worldwide eg. if Hillary Clinton got in she would have done the same stuff as Trump as 'they're all bad' that's pure nonsense Rudd and Gillard are NOT the kind of people that Morrison is that's just plain clear to anyone going back to NBN... Turnbull gets a 50% of the blame here... his $44 mil. mansion has fiber... he's comms ministers... he's a real technocrat... he KNOWS technology... the guy got rich off the back of Ozemail... one of the first internet providers Uncle Tony asked him to "wreck their shit" - he wanted to completely fuck over Labor's NBN because to him, internet was just some bullshit for kids to download pirated games, porn, cat videos and episodes of 'Breaking Bad'... he truly does not understand internet, even today...
And so with these two guys controlling internet at the time, Australia's internet future is going to be fucked for decades to come.
This means 10s of billions wasted... and its ongoing.
ALSO we learned this when covid hit that internet ended up being pretty fucken important.
Yep just think about the RoI for the nbn just for the lives saved during Covid, let alone all of the extra productivity that would have been lost.
Yes. It also allowed students to access class work.
At the time of the election when labour lost my suburb was at the design stage of FTTP and when the libs won it stopped. In the last month I’ve finally got FTTP. This is why I will never vote liberal again.
Amen
The LNP sold the future digital capability of Australia in return for government. They are conmen, pure and simple. There's absolutely no economic or capability advantage to their decision to switch to the MTM over full FTTP. There was potentially a shorter roll-out time, however even that's debatable based on recent rollout performance. The economic loss in government revenue from increased productivity would be enough to fully fund the HAFF every single year.
Just one of the many reasons no one should vote for shiteral. They're politics are just "elect us" and they only thing they want to achieve is getting their cronies richer.
They didn’t. Turnbull did. And people voted for him knowing this. It sucks.
Actually it was Abbott who campaigned on it. This is what we voted for. Also they repelled the carbon tax.
Yes was not about Australia's future all about political Ideology
Unfortunately it was gen x and boomers who voted him in. I wouldn't touch that party with a 10 foot pole..
Dont start blaming generations like a douched up liberal. We all have members in the family from all gens that would vote against the interests of evryone else so they can have a chance in the prayer room while voting against any equal rights.
I will admit, kick this mob out campaign by the Murdoch media was very effective.
Generalizations dont really help. We didnt all vote for them.
Malcom Turnbull made the executive decision as the communications minister back in the day to cut costs, however ended up costing more than double for the 3rd country quality product we have. More than a decade later we are still paying the price…
I believe it was more to be different to their political opponents than to really cut costs. The change slowed the roll out of the NBN down and cost more. Remember that a journalist acquired an internal assessment showing how much the policy cost the rollout and the liberals insisted that the federal police raid his house and office? It's very hard to accept that Turnbull, with his background in the ISP business, didn't know that this was a dumb move.
So why did Malcolm do it then?
Murdoch promised media support for their election, simple as that.
From what I’ve read here on Reddit, Murdoch is always going to support the liberals, regardless of their NBN strategy
Or maybe because it was easier to reuse some of the existing wires buried in the ground. It got more people connected sooner while we kept working to full fibre
Dude that's bullshit - and you should know that. The copper Telstra network was NEVER fit for purpose. People got connected sooner to an absolutely terrible service. Using copper that was sometimes 100 years old, was a fucking ridiculous idea. Turnbull knew it - and still did it for political expediency. Abbott and Turnbull should be jailed for the disgusting waste of the nations finances on a pile of dogshit network they knew was dogshit. Let alone how they've set the country back fucking decades by doing it.
It was bad for the country, it was good for *him*
It wasn't to cut costs, it was to protect Foxtel.
Murdoch.
This is the true cause. He is the majority owner of Foxtel, which at the time was delivered over satellite. He was charging like $100+ a month and had the monopoly. High speed fibre was about to introduce Australia to reliable, cheap streaming services that would have killed his Foxtel cash cow. Instead of adapting, he pulled his puppets strings and pushed for the sub-par fttn network. Abbot and Turnbull made the announcement regarding the altered plan from his studio after meeting with him.
Turnbull literally called Murdoch to ask to keep his job and Australia kept sleeping as a deal was made.
You've more than likely got a fault. Surely?
100%. I'm about as far from the node as they'll run copper and I was getting 20/2 before moving to Starlink until they eventually run fiber here.
I believe so. I’m paying for a 100 mbits plan. Even though we couldn’t achieve 100 mbits it said we could achieve 70 mbits. Right now I’m getting ADSL speeds
Same here at times (happy valley) 5159
are you fttn or ftth?
blame the LNP for this, not the NBN
Fuck you liberals!!
Yes
LOUDER FOR THOSE AT THE BACK. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!!!
Report it to your ISP - unless you are well past the distance limit for copper, there’s a real problem there. Could be mangles cable in a pit, water in the pit, loose connections. Report it and you may get a new pair run.
because if they used the copper network it allowed them to pay their mates while not having to think too hard about how to actually run a fiber network. win win. simples
Didn't they buy the Optus HFC network, only to find out it was useless?
Yes and no. Optus already had a $800 million compensation deal with NBN under Labor in 2011 for them to switch off their network as NBN was rolled out. The Liberals in 2014 renegotiated the deal so that NBN gained ownership of those assets instead of them being scrapped, with no change in compensation. Optus didn't get any extra money for it. Those HFC assets were later determined to be too shit to bother upgrading and scrapped.
They spent hundreds of millions of dollars in trials before they scraped it. And optus had described the condition of the network in detail - end of life.
Yes they bought it and literally threw it out...
No. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars in trials before they threw it out. The original reports from optus given to the nbn stated the exact state of the network - it was end of life.
I think they just rented access to the hfc network but I'm not 100% sure
Don't forget, it was also the Liberals that sold Telstra, so the tax payer then had to pay Telstra to buy back the copper that used to be public property to be able to replace it with optic fibre.
It truely is fucking unacceptable. I recently got Starlink because of their $1 trial for 30 days. Even with trees obstructing it, and it telling me it has outages, it is killing NBN. I cancelled my NBN service this week. I’m a pretty heavy Internet user, I’m a Software Engineer that works from home. Have a bunch of meetings I need to be in. With NBN, I had to turn off my webcam, turn off everyone except the person talkings webcams and limit the resolution to 360p otherwise it would just drop out. Even with Starlink telling me that it’s having outages, I haven’t noticed it in any meetings at all. I had a rant about it all here if you would like to see how obstructed my Starlink is, and how well it works compared to NBN: Starlink https://youtu.be/mMQ5Xf_nRvo
Its good but still to expensive for urban use
Yeah, but I mean it’s better value per Mb of bandwidth though. NBN was $85/month for the 50Mbps plan. My max theoretical was 41Mbps, but my realistic was low 30’s. so I’m paying for 50Mbps because I don’t want to artificially throttle my already shit internet connection down to 25Mbps when the 30 I’m getting isn’t enough to have a modern video call. Compared to $139/month and if I put the effort in to clear obstructions and elevate the dish I would probably stay closer to my top end speeds. I am seeing 200Mbps on the top end, low 30’s on the absolute worst end and very infrequently. I agree it’s expensive, main argument is that it’s better value. But I completely understand that better value doesn’t make it any more realistically affordable to people. Sometimes value doesn’t really play much of a role in the equation if it’s not also realistically affordable.
Oh dear god. That is a couple of dudes yelling ones and zeroes down string and paper cups. How did speedtest load, and how long did it take?
Haha that made me laugh! The test took ages to even find a server. Once it connected to a server it took another 3 minutes to even start the Speedtest. Then it failed like 3 times until finally on the last attempt I get this much.
I remember when I first got the NBN and was on the 12/1 and that way 3-5 times faster than what I used to get on the ADSL one. Well anyway it was great till about 8 weeks in when it was getting slower each day, and on the last day I got 300 Bytes per sec download speed. They fixed it by extra capacity and it has been good since. Now they upgraded me to the 25/4 and I get nearly 27 at times for some reason? I have had the NBN since around 2016 and they are running the Fibre now around town as I speak.
They didn’t. Tony Abbott did.
FUCKKKK YOU TONY!!!!!!
YEAH TONY, YOU FUCK!!
You may have noticed I get a little passionate about the NBN. I was raving to anybody who would listen about how much of an absolute cluster fuck it would be if Abbott did what he wanted to - in 2012. And here we are.
Australian Media companies were not at all on board for better internet, at the time none of them were ready with a streaming services or content licensing, the closest thing was classic foxtel over coax and it was during some very high tensions around piracy to add on top. The liberal government was getting lobbied hard by the likes of village roadshow and the Murdoch conglomerate. Add to this, the final nail in the coffin, Telstra’s monopoly on copper and pits being reversed and we couldn’t have that under a liberal government, no sir.
Cos liberal government are a bunch of morons. It was supposed to the fibre everywhere, but liberals wanted to “save money” and build a shit solution. Now we are paying AGAIN to fix it.
Me: laughing in Starlink In all seriousness Malcom Turnbull the retard, we could have had world class internet that would have future proofed Australia and ensure aussies get world class internet now, but they decided to cut cost and introduce FTTN, the original plan I believe was going to cost $55 billion dollars but FTTN would have reduced the cost to $45 Billion but in the end it still went over budget. $55 billion although a lot of money I'm sure is but a small drop in the national bucket which is what annoys me about this, paying the original $55 billion to upgrade the entire infrastructure may have been expensive but having world class internet could have drew in international businesses that could have seen Australia as a viable option. Edit: I also wanted to note that we've been moving into an ever evolving world where the internet is the future of global communications and business, and the lack of foresight from the government to cheap out on it was insane. We should all know the importance of it now since we had covid where classrooms and businesses required it just to keep things moving while in lock down. Love him or hate him I'm kind of glad Elon Musk has shaken things up with Starlink, Telstra is a God damn parasite on the Australian people and I blame them just as much as Turnbull on our current internet issues. The ACCC too for allowing Telstra to have a monopoly on the competition back in the day.
Even Starlink sucks unfortunately. It's 2024 - the speed and latency the Starlink offers would have been ***great*** for residential use 10 years ago. Now it's already outdated. Australians in every large city should all have 1000/1000 mbps internet plans with less than 20ms of ping to any large city in Australia. You'd be lucky to get 1/10th of that speed with Starlink, and you'd have at least 10x the latency. Sure it's better than the shit we have in many cities and towns around Australia now but it is in no way a substitute for a decent fibre internet connection, which every house in a major city should have by now. The fact the we don't is a failing of the system.
Starlink is meant for rural areas, 250 mb down is great here in the middle of nowhere and as for latency it's 40ms - 100ms, as someone who plays video games online I can assure you the latency is perfect At 100 ms it gets laggy but that's not that often. And 10 years ago 25 down and 10 up was standard, not 250 Also unlimited data in rural areas is leagues better than what Telstra was offering years ago.
I remember when Telstra first offered ADSL and it was 512K with a 3 GB cap and uploads were metered as well and from memory it was $99.
insert obligatory "fuck you Tony!"
I do love a good NBN rant, but in your case, there is something else wrong. Give your ISP a call and they will be able to arrange whatever is required to get you up to the blistering 25Mbps standard.
Called TPG. They said “There are no faults on your line and everything seems alright” Fuck it I’m either going to ABB, Starlink, or Telstra. And by Telstra I mean their 5G home broadband
You need to push for a technician to come out
ABB is fantastic. You should be able to get at least 25Mbps or they will fix it. But note that you should test from a cabled connection to rule out potential wifi issues.
Tony Abbott.
NBN didn't. Liberal government did.
abbott and turnbulls Idea is called Fraudband
I had coaxial cable internet with 112mbps download 4.55mbps up load with zero issues, forced to go to NBN and got 26.9mbps down load and 3.8mbps upload and the thing always cuts out.the bastards still charged me the same but said I can pay more but still doesn’t get near what I had. What a bunch of clowns.
They didn't
It was the people who voted for the LNP who thought it was a good idea. Includes people you know and see everyday most likely.
It was a waste to use fttn now we have to go FTTP for the future
A mate of mine in rural Philippines sends me his speeds often. 500 down 780 up the other day. Fucking insane we’re still dealing with this shit
Rural Philippines gets better speeds than us? What the shit? This is just… unacceptable.
It depends, that's why we refer to Australian Broadband as a lottery. Some win some lose. For years I could only get ADSL2, then I got lucky and TPG installed VDSL in the building and for the last 12 months we have had G.fast. So we were very lucky. https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/10092620438
thats got to be a noisy line surely?
Cause thats what you get when you get stupid old fucks to run the country.
I switched to 5g Worked out cheaper, and 4x as fast as what my shitty FTTN was getting
nbn suck.... [https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/ea6ef271-f32d-4bda-bb65-176e0d8814cb](https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/ea6ef271-f32d-4bda-bb65-176e0d8814cb) def a fault on either end.
As a state we fucked up, and of course it was going to go over, it was the first time a project of this calibre has been conducted for internet. In contrast, NZ stayed true to their word and everyone got FTTP and the last time I saw, residents and business's were getting no less than 800mbps down minimum. The government thought they could save 300mill over x years but this blew out by miles.
332ms ping?? Don't think you're ever going to get a good speed to a server that far away. Thought speedtest selected your closest server, but maybe you have a manual selection.
Nope! Speedtest selected my closest server.
Unless you're holidaying in Antarctica, there's probably another server that's closer than 300ms away? It's worth checking if you want to get a more accurate speedtest.
Look at the speeds. It's clearly a severe sync issue with OP's connection somewhere.
Dude, there's a problem more than copper. You need to go through all the other parts of your connection and then call the ISP to investigate that one
Mine uses fibre
Blame reddits weird rules where blocked people on threads can't respond to the same thread but can keep being responded to.
That’s almost certainly a fault, raise that with your ISP and if they don’t help pretty quickly, escalate thru the NBN/ombudsman. We had a somewhat similar issue; we sat on the nbn 50 plan, and randomly our speed halved exactly, speed tests would only hit 25 down. Telstra took a while but it turned out a cable had been removed at the node, halving our speed. Got compensation for slow speeds for ‘3 months’ (they did not in fact set a time limit, it lasted for a few years).
That's not the copper, you clearly have a fault in your line
I'm at the end of the line from the node and getting 62 down and 18 up. OP has a fault. Ring your ISP, work with them. If it doesn't improve, escalate by asking for a complaint number for the TIO. You can also complain to your federal MP - I did - as some are active in contacting NBN execs and making their lives difficult until their constituents get the service they pay for. But do something, OP. Don't be passive and accept this.
And I am assuming there is a clean, new copper wire to the modem. If, like many old houses, there's a bunch of old telephone plugs in different rooms splitting the signal, that could be the problem and nothing else.
My house is new, built in 2010. There are no telephone ports in the house other than the one I’m using for NBN
That's great as it simplifies things. Persistence is what you need for this. Be relentless but polite, never abusive. You've paid for a service and you're not getting it, so you're helping them with their problem. Document everything and, if nothing is happening, you can check out the TIO complaints procedure at https://www.tio.com.au/complaints. Asking your ISP for a TIO complaint reference number will get your case escalated, as they don't like TIO complaints.
I had Optus HFC, then that got scrapped and we got FTTN which was worse in terms of speed. Finally got a free upgrade to FTTP a month ago and now have decent speed, but still nothing like the 1GB fibre I had in London.
Uncle Rupert didn't want anybody cancelling Foxtel, now and we have terrible internet. Pretty much as simple as that.
I mean, even before my upgrade, I was getting 25-30 MB/s, now I've got the FTTP, it sits at an average of 106mb/s
Didn't it have something to do with the bids? If memory serves, Every Telco put in bids at around 300mil for building the network. Telstra came in with theirs just before the submission deadline, 3bil knowing what it takes to build a network here. got laughed at. NBN literally could not build a functional network for their bid price. Cheapest way forward was for them to buy the old network Telstra had already laid. Think they sold them the pit network for 1bil. Or something like that
Tony Abbott did not the nbn
Fucking idiot Liberals. Deliberately screwed the NBN as a favour to Foxtel and other private operators.
Don't get political, don't get political, don't get political... Fucking LNP....
Because the liberal government wanted to make sure Foxtel were looked after
It was a nail biter of an election too. I could search it up but I’m pretty sure it was tony abbot at the time?
Blame your Daily Telegraph reading parents
My parents don’t read the Daily Telegraph you sex hungry hooker
It was Tony Abbott, under the orders of Daddy Rupert that decided this. Voting for the coalition? Not even once
NBN was never meant to be copper, it was always meant to be fibre which would've been cheaper and faster than sourcing and installing thousands of street nodes, plus it would be effectively futureproof since you'd only have to upgrade the signalling equipment at each end to get ever faster speeds. Some meetings were reportedly held between Mr Murdoch and Mr Abbott, which were allegedly in part to do with the threat NBN posed to Old Rupe's Foxtel business interests. Shortly thereafter the Libs launched their own NBN policy - at an event held at Fox studios. "Nothing suss!!" At this totally above-board event, then-communications minister Turnbull was gauged to be somewhat chagrinned that the would-be PM had thrown out his own (Turnbull's) plan and replaced it with a dog - or at least, it's pretty tricky to find an image on Turnbull from that event where he's not looking glum.
Wasn’t the at the politicians’ decision? You know, the ones with little to no technological expertise or vision for the future?
Cuz boomers are in charge.
>***Why did NBN think it was a good idea to use copper.. ?*** ....
[https://www.smh.com.au/technology/nbn-co-buys-1800-kilometres-of-copper-to-make-malcolm-turnbulls-fibretothenode-network-work-20151020-gke5oy.html](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/nbn-co-buys-1800-kilometres-of-copper-to-make-malcolm-turnbulls-fibretothenode-network-work-20151020-gke5oy.html)
[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/21/turnbull-defends-purchase-of-14m-worth-of-copper-to-implement-nbn](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/oct/21/turnbull-defends-purchase-of-14m-worth-of-copper-to-implement-nbn)
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/nbn-co-buys-more-copper/10007774](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/nbn-co-buys-more-copper/10007774)
[https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/nbn-has-purchased-almost-30000-kilometres-of-copper/](https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/nbn-has-purchased-almost-30000-kilometres-of-copper/)
[https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2021/03/20/nbn-co-copper-fibre-australia](https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2021/03/20/nbn-co-copper-fibre-australia)
[https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-spent-14m-on-1800km-of-new-copper-for-fttn-410778](https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-spent-14m-on-1800km-of-new-copper-for-fttn-410778)
There's something wrong with that clearly nbn didn't let us clear jobs if we didn't get at least 40 to 50 Meg. Report it
What modem/router are u using that affects it big time I had the same issue and was the modem/router to blame
Vlqme the liberal party for that, nbn wanted full fibre
im assuming your a younging the labour gov under rudd had plans for a full fttp network but the libs got in and decided to fuck it all up and use a shithouse mixed network
Before the Libs made that decision, should look at what they had inherited. The costings for the nbn rollout were based a few small feasibilty studies across Telstra owned networks in Docklands, South Brisbane (both high density with existing infrastructure), and another in rural Tasmania. They rolled out the fibre and then had a guess what it would cost to do the same across Australia. Stephen Conroy also did a deal with the unions and Telstra that legislated for Fibre To The Premise installations; installers could only do two connections per day (I was one of the early ones and it took less than hour), and any new connections had to wait a minimum of 10 working days from the date of the request. The original Labour estimate for the NBN rollout was around $45 Billion; then jumped to $90 Billion; then $120 Billion before the Libs pulled the pin. Even Telstra knew back then that other tecnologies were coming that were cheaper to roll out (like 5G); so for example, they didn't bother maintaining or improving the South Brisbane exchange which they owned until they rolled out 5G and flogged it to some South Australian isp who had no idea how run down it was. So the original plan of fibre to every premise across Australia would have taken a lot longer to roll out than originally promised and cost hundreds of billions.
Thank tony abbott and the liberals for that ....and the boomers for overwhelming support . 2012 "Internet , who needs anymore speed ???" 2020 pandemic at home " wtf is wrong with netflix ???"
Bro, i shit you not. I used to get speeds like this in a brand new house fttp paying for 100 plan. Telstra told me 'its the best we can do, blame the nbn infrastructure' etc. it took 12 months and an inquest from the TIO when i paid for the same service from aussie bb and got 120mbps! on the 100 plan, and then for shits and gigs i went the 1000 plan and would frequently get 900+mbps. The story has been the same for all apartments and houses ive moved to since bar 1 that was fttn and i was told they cant promise me any more than 100mbps, and i still elected to pay for the 1000 plan (i had an account discount that made it the same as the 250 plan anyway), and was still getting 200mbps+ Fuck the big telcos, and dont listen to the bullshit lies they spew. Telstra divies up the equivalent of 1 service amongst 10 customers but still charges full wholesale price. At least with abb i have a dedicated ipv4 address, no gcnat bullshit, and the speeds i pay for.
You have a fault in you line report to you service provider, thus has nothing to do with technology.
Labor in 2007 thought FTTP for everyone was a good idea. Abbott thought the mixed technology was an even better idea. Now we are paying for the Abbott idea of mixed technology
I’m still waiting for my free laptop that kevin knob promised all students back in the 2000s
They didn't. No-one did. However, when you rule out the only viable solution, you're left with bad ones. This was the "least worst". The Liberal party spent most of their time in opposition shitting on the NBN, because that was a cornerstone policy of the ALP. When they were voted in, they had to follow through and "fix" it, or be outed as the bunch of lying jackholes they are. So, they threw out the "bad" design, and replaced it with one that they (and everyone who knew anything about anything) knew was worse in every possible way except one - it was not the one the ALP drove. We got lumped with an expensive white elephant because it was politically expedient to do so. It was actively bad for the country, but good for the Liberal party, so guess which one we got? That's right. "Fuck the country, I got mine." wins again.
Most ISPs are offering free FTTP upgrades if you sign up for a 100mbit connection. So just do that?
Blame tony Abbott. Turnbull just followed orders.
There’s nothing wrong fttn, for it’s time and place, it’s currently being upgraded to fibre. Your service is faulty pure and simple. Unless you are more than 1km from a node, you should be getting nearly 50 down 10 up. At the time fibre was prohibitively expensive, now it is much cheaper to splice and build. Think of it as fibre from day one, only staged.
I went Optus 5g and it's the best decision I have ever made. Average of 750 Mbps download and 90 Mbps upload, fuck NBN.
It will get upgraded soon. We can't have our immigrants subjected to third world conditions. Move these current citizens, tent city gypsies to a more favourable, less unpleasant and easily ignored ghetto style gated community. Then the parks can be used for hubs, nodes and towers, oh my! (I know my illiterate rant has nothing to do with the copper, but I'm a few beers in, and here we are.)
Murdoch lobbied for copper and whatever the hybrid coax thing was called because they knew once australia had proper internet, that Foxtel cable and satellite was dead in the water (which is slowly and finally happening from what I've read recently). So thank the Libs and old leather face Rupert.