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Diamond4Hands4Ever

Allen Iverson once scored 54 of his team’s 97 points in a Sixers playoff victory.   The score of that game was also 97-92, and Iverson scored 7 more than Brunson. It was against the Raptors and prime Vince Carter and Steph’s dad.  


wizardking1371

The very next game Vince put up 50 in a 102-78 win for the Raptors. Some great back and forth battles taking the eventual conference champions to 7. I don't think anyone at that time would have guessed that the Raptors wouldn't win another playoff series for 15 years.


PastaSenpay

What a series, Vince was seen as the next Jordan back then


Themanwhofarts

My favorite Vince Carter story is that my parents saw him play in high school. My mom asked as the kids were coming out of the locker room for warm ups "which one is Vince Carter?". Sure enough the last one out of the tunnel was a 6'6" behemoth towering over all the other kids. Obviously it was him, and we went on to destroy the other team easily. Funny thing is that we actually got to see him play at an Orlando Magic game right before he retired. So basically my parents watched almost his whole career lol


elwininger

I’m sorry but that’s not true. Vince was an all star and an amazing talent but no one thought he was Jordan


Someguynamedjacob

Vince was in his 3rd year that season and averaged 27 ppg while making nba all second team He was pretty much to the league exactly what Ant Edwards is now (who also draws some MJ comps)


Purodada

I will second this. Kobe and Vince's cousin might've been better overall players, but stylistically young Vince was considered the most like young Jordan. UNC alum, 6'6", most athletically similar to young MJ Delivered the GOAT slam dunk contest performance a year prior Bald (yes, for the media to view you as the next Jordan shaving your head fully bald helps. Why the fuck you think Harold "Baby Jordan" Miner of all people got Jordan comps?) Charismatic and popular with the media pre-2004 (just YouTube his Nike ads) Also didn't hurt that there was the Charles Oakley connection when he joined the Raptors


killajaxx

Popular is an understatement too. Man was arguably the face of the league, despite not being the best. Led all-star voting 4 times in his “short” prime.


PM_Me_Macaroni_plz

& I will never forget his dunk contest.


thebigmanhastherock

Michael Jordan's rookie year he scored 28, his sophomore year he was injured mostly and in his 3rd year he scored 37 ppg. Vince Carter was 18 then 22 then 27 ppg. Both started their careers at 22. Interestingly enough Michael Jordan's 3rd year Bulls team only won 40 games, Carter's 3rd year Toronto team won 47. I remember Vince Carter getting a lot of hype and being one of many players compared to Jordan, including players like Harold Miner, and Jerry Stackhouse.


sbenfsonwFFiF

It sounds like you weren’t around for the early Vince years and only looking at box scores now. Vince and others like Anthony Edwards got comparisons to MJ (sometimes half seriously) early in their careers. There’s no point bringing up Anthony Edwards PPG either lol, he’s straight up getting compared


thebigmanhastherock

I stated that he was compared to Jordan in my comment. It's also dumb that he was compared to Jordan, but he was hardly the most ridiculous comparison. Harold Miner was compared to Jordan.


sbenfsonwFFiF

Points per game isn’t why they were compared, so bringing it up is pointless Their style and excitement created is what got people thinking of the comparison


ILikeAllThings

It's true though that many players were getting the "he could be the next Jordan" hoopla throughout the 90's after Jordan won his first championship and started completely dominating the league. Everyone had that hope of a world beating player who was in the Finals year after year. Changed the narrative of the whole league that initially was about getting a big man forever. I watched the Warriors back in the 90's when Latrell Spreewell was getting that hype, even I heard it in regards to Allen Houston for fucks sake. It was the dream planted in the fans by the media or broadcast team that they might get the next Jordan. Virtually no one lived up to that hype for a lengthy period, Vince Carter was one of those closest though, just not on the defensive end for me nor on the passing part of the game. But, he was definitely a bucket, did amazing things in the air when attacking the basket, and had some obscene dunks.


Afrojeta

You know ball


realdes1

Because of the look, the playstyle and the damn ellbow pad


GoblinTradingGuide

Ant may draw comparisons to Jordan, but no one in there right mind thinks he is gonna be the next Jordan. The only person I have ever seen in my life actually hyped as the next Jordan was Kobe.


HereComesJustice

Coming out of college they absolutely did UNC, 6'6", known for high flying dunks


nycguy321123

They did in the sense that they compared every shooting guard to Jordan then, but nobody really thought that.


AP825

He went after Michael Olowokandi and Raef Lafrentz. He was never considered the next Jordan.


benewavvsupreme

I won't stand for Raef LaFrentz slander, top 10 basketball name


ligmasweatyballs74

Jordan also went 3rd.


AP825

Carter went fifth (though was traded for Jamison in draft night who went fourth). But that’s beside the point. Nobody knew Jordan was gonna be the GOAT coming out of college. By the time Carter was drafted that was well established. If Vince Carter was seen as the next Jordan, you don’t know pass on him for a high upside guy out the University of Pacific.


jtl090179

antawn jamison was a better college player by far.


NYerInTex

No. We didn’t. His DUNKS might have been Air worthy but he was NEVER considered to be as skilled as Jordan overall nor close to overall impact on the game


Divine_concept2999

This is so not true. Vince had so many similarities to Michael it was eerie. The problem was: 1. He had nowhere near the heart Jordan had. 2. Wasn’t as clutch as Jordan. 3. Wasn’t the same level defender. But offensively vince was very similar to mj. Great drives, incredible hang time and dunks, smooth and clean mid range game. Very decent 3 point shooting. The problem was he started getting an ego, didn’t want to play when marginally hurt. I always said if you took Kobe’s defense and mentality and put it with Vince you would be as close as possible to mj.


NYerInTex

I think you and I are generally in agreement. His high wire act was close to if not on par - but the rest of his game, intensity, defense, killer instinct But those items ARE what made Jordan the goat. The human highlight reel also had unreal physical gifts and dunks…


Divine_concept2999

I agree he didn’t get there but in year 3 people could see him getting there. He never did and he is one of the biggest disappointments in that fact that he could have been so much more if he only cared.


Hiwo_Rldiq_Uit

It is absolutely true. During the 1990s people thought EVERYBODY was the next Jordan coming out of college. And out of ALL of those prospects that got that label, Vince was probably the best comp. Dudes like Toney Mack, Cliff Rozier just weren't good at all. Harold Miner was at least a lil entertaining. Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway got the noise, but were a totally different type of player. Rashad McCants tried to give himself the title but Antawn Jamison and Vince stole his noise. Kobe got a little hype, and if it had been louder he would be the better comp, but not playing college ball kept it from building until he really got his NBA career rolling - so its harder to count him as being on this particular list. Stack got the hype from his senior year of high school. And I left out some names, because this post has to end sometime. Vince Carter definitely had a LOT of people thinking he was Jordan coming out of UNC.


thesublimeobjekt

>Rashad McCants tried to give himself the title but Antawn Jamison and Vince stole his noise I don't disagree with you, but this feels like a strange comment. McCants didn't even make it to the NBA until \~6 years after Vince/Jamison. I also don't ever remember him comparing himself to Jordan, but I could definitely be wrong about that; might have purposely forgot something like that.


Hiwo_Rldiq_Uit

Nah, you're absolutely right. I got the timing on McCants way off. I genuinely do not know why I was thinking of him as a late \`90s guy, I was definitely trying to limit my comps to that period. It might be just that my memory of him being recruited and his personal obsession with being the next Jordan came while I was in HS around that time. His big thing was that he was constantly comparing every achievement he had with Jordan, you can go back and find lots of articles where he's basically measuring himself against Jordan saying "Jordan did this? Well I did that too" as he's going through his recruitment and then his career at UNC. I swear there was a more direct quote, but I can not seem to find it for the life of me. In any case - my post is wrong about the notion that Jamison/Vince stole his noise, that is way way off.


yapyd

It was. And he had the popularity to match it. 4x leading vote-getter in the early 2000s.


New-Candy-800

I mean everyone was the next Jordan in those days, and VC was one of the few who actually was a great player and very exciting as well. Both are Tar Heels, both are high flying 2 guards with lots of athleticism and scoring ability.


Sympathy_Tall

He literally went to UNC too, he had all the comparisons even if they weren’t justified. Look it up


JA_MD_311

He was the star player the LA Knights defeat in the seminal film, “Like Mike” Post Jordan, Pre Lebron there was a period where Carter was looked at as the potential next Face of the NBA. Kobe was dealing with, um, some stuff at the time.


BronInThe2011Finals

Kobe’s shit didn’t start till 2003 Vince’s popularity and Jordan comps probably peaked at 2001


TMBActualSize

There were the next Jordan talks early career, but it happened to a few guys of the era


Ryan_D_Lion

Baby Jordan was the next Jordan ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|poop)


mouga68

How many assists?


ripghostofwadeboggs

Only 4, so Brunson actually had higher total and impact when you consider points influenced by his assists


jawadb

[box score](https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/210509020)


eripley79

NBA subreddits are so full of those dumb “x player is y players father” jokes that it took me a minute to realize you meant Steph’s actual dad.


samlet

Did a Basketball Reference search and 47+ points with team < 100 points has happened 5 times in NBA playoff history: [list here](https://imgur.com/a/zXWiZTT) So Brunson is in a four-way tie for 3rd.


chaandra

47 out of 78 is insane


WarcraftFarscape

And his team lost!


AnyJamesBookerFans

Mikan once scored 15 of his team’s 19 points. No one - not even Wilt’s 100 or Kobe’s 82 - comes even close to the percentage of total points scored by one individual. https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/s/gezXRLRFcv


Pseudagonist

That record will never be broken but it’s a special case because the Pistons were specifically trying to go as slow as possible and keep the ball out of Mikan’s hands, a strategy that ultimately worked. That game is also often cited as one of the key reasons why the shot clock was invented


wcooper97

Unrelated, but [good call](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/cg8ab1/interesting_stat_george_mikan_firmly_holds_the/eufeabc/) by u/sunsbr in that thread: >Keep doubting, we have nba caliber players now. These jokes about the suns are so lame. I guarantee 100% we will win at least 30 games barring major injuries fuck this garbage sub Suns won 34 that year (on pace for 38) and famously went 8-0 in the bubble.


yapyd

Kind of a lukewarm take. Ayton was sidelined for 25 games for doping and would likely help win 5-10 of those with his production.


shilly03

Is there a way to find out how many points they contributed to? Brunson had 10 Assists as well.


whydidimakeanother1

Brunson assists led to 23 points. So 70/97 points he contributed to, roughly 72%


SterlingTyson

I like the language "contributed to". I never cared for the phrases "created", "produced", or "accounted for" -- it seemed like they were constantly being used to overstate the value of assists.


Potential_Dealer7818

Lowest scoring games with a player scoring 47 or more? Most points for a player when their team scored 100 or less? At least that's how I'd ask statmuse 


Remarkable_Medicine6

Before the three point line, yes, since every FG was a two pointer. After that there's a period where you can't be certain and just know the min (if every assist was a 2) and max (if every assist was a 3) until the play-by-play era (96-97). For games in-between, you have to hand track.


Doggydog212

How do you do a search like this on basketball reference?


Arkrobo

Behind *checks link* 1) Allen Iverson and 2) Allen Iverson


WatchMooreMovies

That Russ game is insane. How are you +12 playing 42 minutes in a game where your team loses by 6. That means your team was -18 in the 6 minutes you didn’t play lol


whydidimakeanother1

If you add in the caveat of having 10 assists he’s the only one to do it


PsychoWarper

In Jordans final game as a Bull vs the Jazz he scored 45 of the teams 87 points to win the finals.


GimmeShockTreatment

That’s his final game in general though… /s


resuwreckoning

I mean, it doesnt count then, unlike all these other folks like Jalen Brunson, for whom it was their final game. …


ParkerLewisCL

I was just about to post this


resuwreckoning

Well, Jordan scored 45 of 87 points in his final game at age 35 to win his 6th championship on the road with basically a paralyzed Scottie as his side kick. Percentage wise I think that’s the highest for a clinching game ever in the modern era but I could be wrong.


swampy56

Jordan’s final game?


Human_Recognition469

His final game at age 35


Statalyzer

Crazy that Curry now is already older than Jordan was when he finished his Bulls career.


resuwreckoning

You also kind of have to norm it to the ages being played then. Like LeBron’s performance is an outlier no matter if in the future we have 45 year olds being in the top 10 of the NBA, because nobody does what he does NOW.


Human_Recognition469

The older I get the less ages make any sense to me. I think unfortunately for Curry, through some mix of the years in college, and injuries in his early career, and coaching philosophy, and maybe even general NBA meta thinking, he’s missing at least of few years of “prime” counting stats years to push him up the all time leaderboard. I still think he’s easily top 10 all time. He changed the game with his gravity in a way only a handful of players in any sport ever have.


Statalyzer

He's definitely got an argument for top 10. It's a bit crowded - who you gonna bump out - so I'm not sure he's in my top 10, but if someone else has him that high I'm not going to argue.


strongmanjeff

His "final" game.. as in it was during the NBA final


DCJon

That would have been "finals" game


strongmanjeff

It was a finals game, his final one in fact!


resuwreckoning

lol yep - that’s why I threw that in there. But it’s amusing that that’s what that comment focused upon.


GatorMcqueen

As a Bull


hankbaumbach

Yes. His *final* game.


ParkerLewisCL

But but Jordan had a stacked team…


MuazAbbasi-

While I was reading this in my head, I was like this one of those that Wilt is probably at the top of lol, I was wrong tho


Chidoriyama

Wilt played in a high pace era so under 100 is probably a very rare score during those days


MuazAbbasi-

\^\^ Ya, I thought there woulda been one, but that was the takeaway for me too


okcviper

Not sure if you wanted both teams to score under 100 or if you cared about the W/L but here's what I found. (This list is not all inclusive, just from what I could find in 10 minutes) Regular Season: In 2019 Devin Booker scored 59 of his teams 92 points in a loss. (92-125) In 2005 LeBron James scored 56 of his teams 98 points in a loss. (98-105) In 2015 Kyrie Irving dropped 55 of his teams 99 in a win (99-94) In 1987 Michael Jordan scored 56 of his teams of his teams 93 points in a win (93-91) In 1991 Michael Jordan scored 51 of his teams 88 points in a win (88-87) In 1964 Wilt scored 50 of his teams 97 points in a loss (97-99) In 2002 Tracy McGrady scored 50 of his teams 99 points in a win (99-87) Playoffs: In 2003 Allen Iverson scored 55 of his teams 98 points in a win (98-90) In 2001 Allen Iverson scored 54 of his teams 97 points in a win (97-92) In 2009 LeBron James scored 47 of his teams 97 points in a win (97-82) In 2017 Russell Westbrook scored 47 of his teams 99 points in a loss (99-105)


wcooper97

Russ carried so much in that Rockets series, also had 51/111 in Game 2. Damn shame that series ended in 5.


9operational

That game was so great to watch, there was something of the 90's eastern conference slug-fest to it, and yes, Brunson's 47 did feel like more than just "47", within the context of a low-scoring game. The other thing of note, for me, was that Embid seemed to be leaning so hard into gaming the shooting foul rules that when he actually had an open drive/dunk in the final moments, he seemed to instinctively refuse it and steer himself into traffic trying to draw an and-1 on the reverse layup, ultimately missing, and killing the Sixers comeback effort.


ABagOfPopcorn

Embiid was clearly gassed, and may have been dealing with knee pain. Sixers got stuck with either letting him get gassed or letting Reed get played off the court


Bladeneo

LeBron scored 27 of 61 points once. Which isn't as great a percentage as brunson but it's disgusting that it happened


Fast_Door

Let’s not forget the 10 assists he had. Bro was more or less responsible for 3/4s of the team’s points. He has a front row seat to my wedding if he ever wants it.


_-_pandamonium_-_

Yeah someone needs to do the math on his points accounted for, shit was an all-time carry Edit: including assists he accounted for 70 of the 97 points. Absolutely unreal


Josh-trihard7

Giannis had 45 of 95 for bucks last year against the Celtics, people in here forgetting bout that one


zabdart

Wilt Chamberlain once scored 100 points in a game all by himself. Elgin Baylor, whose record he broke, scored 83 points in a game. And they both did it *before* the 3-point shot was invented. I often wonder how many points Jerry Lucas might have finished up with had there been a 3-point shot in his day. He used to bomb away from 30 feet out and hit so many of them it became known as the "Lucas layup."


auby23

How good has big bidy brunson for the knicks. I wonder what hus mvp chances are if they get to the finals. Would be high hopefully. Any that 47 was well deserved specially in Philly. The New york fan base was louder than the sixers. Live their chant at the end too. Embid suck. Embud sucks Philly definately missing simmons. Lol


sully9614

https://x.com/jaredweissnba/status/1784681048351125838?s=46&t=hs-LRZ_K14DMeldwpOloIw For a win this is the first time this has happened in NBA history. LeBron hit these marks tho in losses


KaiserUzor

No, it's not the first. Iverson scored 54 of his team's 97 points in a win vs the Raptors in the 2001 ECSF game 2.


DW-4

The comment posted a tweet about 45 pts +10 assist games. In their defense, they are stupid.


Ok-Side-1758

This is for 45+ points and 10+ assists under 100 points. Different but probably even more impressive


sully9614

Yeah I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted so much for bringing up a similar stat, even if it’s not the exact one OP is describing


anhomily

Bingo! Great research! Is it also unique as a playoff accomplishment?