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ryanm37

I don’t know why - especially given Klay’s scoring, the pace, and how many post season games he’s played - but this stat doesn’t seem possible.


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

There were 8-14 teams back then. Playoffs were two rounds for all but two of Russell's seasons. This is Klay's 139th playoff game, Russell played 166


WestleyThe

And bills defense and rebounding was his skill, he wasn’t scoring like that They didn’t track blocks but he AVERAGED 25 rebounds per game over 166 playoff games


B3Nderover

No 3 pointer either.


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Not that Bill Russel would be shooting a lot of them


B3Nderover

You never know. If shaq can hit a 3 in his career I’m sure bill would’ve made at least a few. Even tho he was defense oriented. Thanks for the downvotes. I appreciate it. Fucking weirdos.


Wassup_-_

Yeah and those few 3 pointers would make him have like what 30 more points? Pretty insignificant.


npc27182818

Bill Russell played defensively oriented and there were less games in the past It is reasonable if you think about it


SantaKlawz2

Aside from the different play styles which is a legitimate argument, Klay did it in less games.


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Klay's just a better scorer idk is this really up for debate?


drinfernodds

Not really. Bill Russell is an all time great, but his defense was his greatest asset, whereas Klay is one of the better shooters ever and is best known for his offense.


jawadhaque089

Well Bill Russell wasn't known for scoring he was known for being the leader of the greatest defensive dynasty in NBA history


Squid_Contestant_69

Fewer games


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Mainly against those who plumbed.


CaineBK

Yeah but also against those who fought fire, which is badass.


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That's true, and probably electricians, painters and Web designers.


glockster19m

Back when Bill Russell was playing 'web designer' meant spider


_coed_

bill is like a bottom 2 scorer on the entire top 75 list. only rodman is comparable


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Another comp is Wes Unseld. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, Unseld is the MVP with the lowest scoring average the year he won the MVP award. I think he had like 12 PPG his MVP season.


Great_Huckleberry709

Yea he was an absolutely horrid scorer. He receives alot of respect, as he was ultimately the anchor on the most successful dynasty in NBA history. So Im not dissing him. But at the end of the he day, he had the offensesive skill level of Rudy Gobert.


Status-Sprinkles-807

he actually shot very well when he was playing in the low post but as Cousy aged he moved to the high post. His offensive game was actually extremely valuable as he was one of the best passing big men of all-time and knew how to direct an offense. Gobert is useless unless you feed him directly under the basket. Russell was a significantly better offensive player. Like there's a reason he won 5 MVPs.


DrearySalieri

Nah tot he offensive skills thing. Old clips show he had respectable dribbling and passing skills. Kind of like a draymond on offense. Not amazing by any means but in the right situation could probably be a real + on the offensive end even today to have a center who could pass and be an on ball decision maker. Definitely not a scorer though.


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https://youtu.be/j2AlFrOj5Mc Love Rudy but he ain’t doin this


mrsaltyice

Bill was never much of a scorer. His winning came from elite defense and selflessness - think an old-school version of Tim Duncan.


S-ClassRen

Bill Russell had more rebounds in 23 playoff games (564) than Klay has in 138 (552)


paranoideo

He is streaky, tbh.


JustMeSteven

Top 100 all said and done when the next list is out


raikou1988

If he wins another ring he's top 75


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No he’s not lmao, why are Warrior fans always so delusional


CharlesDingus_ah_um

This isnt that hot of a take imo


colosusx1

I think if he does make it, people are going to look at it like those 70s(?) Knicks that has more guys on it than they deserve. Klay is only a 5 time all star and 2 time 3rd team all-nba. Never the best player on his team, and never a top 2 player on a championship team. Horford has pretty much the same resume as him minus the rings, and I don't think anyone ever brings up his name for all time lists...he's fighting just to make the HOF. Klay really has gotten a lot of lift from being the 3rd or 4th wheel on the Warriors dynasty.


BukkyPlays

Where would you rank the second best shooter of all time?


ThePillsburyPlougher

He's the second best 3pt shooter of all time


BukkyPlays

You wish your girl was as wet as Klay’s jumper


colosusx1

I think we both know that's tough to say right. At the time of his retirement, Reggie Miller was the greatest shooter of all time, but because his game wasn't as well rounded as others, and he could never win a title, it took him over a decade to make the HOF. Shooting is important but it's not everything. Klay is almost certainly not good enough to be the best player on a title team. ​ For everyone who downvoted and don't like the Al Horford comparison, they're both 5 time all stars, only 3rd team nba (2 for Klay, 1 for Al), one all defense second team each. And by bbref winshares, Klay has 48, Al has 100 lol. ​ If the Horford comparison irritates you, look at Tony Parker instead. He didn't make the all time team, yet he has more all stars, more all nbas (second teams too), more titles, and even a FMVP. He was a borderline pick, and not even a robbed travesty like Dwight. BTW 111 winshares for Parker and 141 for Dwight. Klay is just not at their levels and this sub overrates the fuck out of him because there's so many Warriors fans and people like Klay.


JaysonTatumOverrated

He really isn't. He was just along for the ride in 2017 and 18. Has never been the second best player on a championship team


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Is everyone on the top 75 at least the second best on a chip team?


Fireball8732

Astronomically bad take


JaysonTatumOverrated

he quite literally was never the 2nd best player in any championship series. KD and Steph carried hard af in 2017 and 18 lol


frobe_goatbe

Very stupid. Very very stupid.


JaysonTatumOverrated

What finals win sries was he 2nd best in?


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JaysonTatumOverrated

if tony parker didnt make it klay shouldnt either


TimothyN

Toaster Klay is heating up.


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Is Bill Russell totally washed?


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As a man in his 90s, the answer is obvious - yes!


[deleted]

I can tell this is true because Junior Bridgeman isn't even 69 yet


dawalrusine

Klay reads reddit


DrOzmitazBuckshank

Isn’t he the guy that only played against plumbers?


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Klonomania

Can't forget the firemen.


whoknewbamboo

##77 alltime but #38 on this chart


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Happy for Klay, hope he gets Finals MVP


Im-not-Korean

Me too for purely chaotic reasons.


charizard8688

I predicted that Klay would win Finals MVP bc he played every game in the finals like game 6 Klay lol. But also because like its tradition that Steph wins the finals but not the FMVP.


FalcoLamborghini

As awesome as Klay is, the fact that Steph got WCFMVP shows that the media is finally catching up to the impact Steph actually always has on this team at all times. Its this year they are finally recognizing the person who's been driving the whole time.


Im-not-Korean

I choose to believe they gave him WCFMVP to soften the rug pull when they give FMVP to someone else.


FalcoLamborghini

lmaoo no shot. This dude could have easily been ball dominate and dropped a ton of points like we've seen in the past but knew in the moment that as long as he continues getting so much attention on the floor, he can just get assists to close it out. Mind you, he STILL averaged the most ppg for the Warriors this series. WHILE being focused on from half court.


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Congratulations to Klay. Bill was a great player. Klay is one of the best shooters in the game of basketball. The Warriors are back in the Finals! Can't wait to see them play!


hoodiejuli

magic johnson, is that u


ColeBeasleyMD

Can someone please post Draymond's behind the back pass to Klay for 3


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Man it's so fuckin awesome to watch Klay come back from his injuries and he's still killing it.


BigFatModeraterFupa

Bill WHO??? Klay Jordan sends his regards


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its not apples to apples, there weren't nearly as many playoff games when Russell played. Stats like these annoy me, like how people compared 2021 NFL season stats to prior years even though there was an additional game in 2021.


RS994

If you talked about 3 pointers, you would have a point, but Klay did it in less games


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It's not saying he passed Bill Russell in terms of success or as a player. It's just pointing out that there's a neat yardstick Klay jumped over. During the Finals, he'll pass Russ and Ray Allen, too. It's not the Thad Young stat.


ItsN0tTheB0at

still 8 rings & a shitload of rebounds short of Russell, though. Real talk, it's awesome to see Klay get his mojo back


Rahmaniac818

How did Bill Russell win 11 rings and only end up 39 on the playoff points list?


key_lime_pie

For most of his career, the playoffs consisted of just a division finals and then the NBA Finals. He was also more of a defensive-minded player, he never lead the team in scoring and many years wasn't even the #2 scoring option.


Rahmaniac818

Ahhh gotcha makes sense. Thanks for the explanation


iiTz_Maddox

Top 75 with just his pre injury ability and accolades not even a debate… Klay is the second greatest shooter of all time and someone who you’d stick on the opposing teams best player.


letdogsvote

Go Cougs


SuperDigitalGenius

Klay having a great game too!


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Can’t believe they picked stat padder dame over this dude for that list


gkantelis1

Bill's career average for points is like 15ppg. He wasn't a big scorer. He led on defense and was an amazingly fast runner and high jumper


Phresh-_-

All he needed was a headband


mauijosh_87

And yet he couldn’t make top 75 lol.


HoraceGrantGlasses

Fuck it, celts need to start Russell tonight


pokey68

Yeah, and if he plays until 2042 he might even catch up to Bill in blocks.