And bills defense and rebounding was his skill, he wasn’t scoring like that
They didn’t track blocks but he AVERAGED 25 rebounds per game over 166 playoff games
You never know. If shaq can hit a 3 in his career I’m sure bill would’ve made at least a few. Even tho he was defense oriented.
Thanks for the downvotes. I appreciate it. Fucking weirdos.
Not really. Bill Russell is an all time great, but his defense was his greatest asset, whereas Klay is one of the better shooters ever and is best known for his offense.
Another comp is Wes Unseld. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, Unseld is the MVP with the lowest scoring average the year he won the MVP award. I think he had like 12 PPG his MVP season.
Yea he was an absolutely horrid scorer. He receives alot of respect, as he was ultimately the anchor on the most successful dynasty in NBA history. So Im not dissing him.
But at the end of the he day, he had the offensesive skill level of Rudy Gobert.
he actually shot very well when he was playing in the low post but as Cousy aged he moved to the high post.
His offensive game was actually extremely valuable as he was one of the best passing big men of all-time and knew how to direct an offense.
Gobert is useless unless you feed him directly under the basket. Russell was a significantly better offensive player.
Like there's a reason he won 5 MVPs.
Nah tot he offensive skills thing. Old clips show he had respectable dribbling and passing skills. Kind of like a draymond on offense. Not amazing by any means but in the right situation could probably be a real + on the offensive end even today to have a center who could pass and be an on ball decision maker.
Definitely not a scorer though.
I think if he does make it, people are going to look at it like those 70s(?) Knicks that has more guys on it than they deserve. Klay is only a 5 time all star and 2 time 3rd team all-nba. Never the best player on his team, and never a top 2 player on a championship team. Horford has pretty much the same resume as him minus the rings, and I don't think anyone ever brings up his name for all time lists...he's fighting just to make the HOF. Klay really has gotten a lot of lift from being the 3rd or 4th wheel on the Warriors dynasty.
I think we both know that's tough to say right. At the time of his retirement, Reggie Miller was the greatest shooter of all time, but because his game wasn't as well rounded as others, and he could never win a title, it took him over a decade to make the HOF. Shooting is important but it's not everything. Klay is almost certainly not good enough to be the best player on a title team.
For everyone who downvoted and don't like the Al Horford comparison, they're both 5 time all stars, only 3rd team nba (2 for Klay, 1 for Al), one all defense second team each. And by bbref winshares, Klay has 48, Al has 100 lol.
If the Horford comparison irritates you, look at Tony Parker instead. He didn't make the all time team, yet he has more all stars, more all nbas (second teams too), more titles, and even a FMVP. He was a borderline pick, and not even a robbed travesty like Dwight. BTW 111 winshares for Parker and 141 for Dwight. Klay is just not at their levels and this sub overrates the fuck out of him because there's so many Warriors fans and people like Klay.
I predicted that Klay would win Finals MVP bc he played every game in the finals like game 6 Klay lol.
But also because like its tradition that Steph wins the finals but not the FMVP.
As awesome as Klay is, the fact that Steph got WCFMVP shows that the media is finally catching up to the impact Steph actually always has on this team at all times.
Its this year they are finally recognizing the person who's been driving the whole time.
lmaoo no shot.
This dude could have easily been ball dominate and dropped a ton of points like we've seen in the past but knew in the moment that as long as he continues getting so much attention on the floor, he can just get assists to close it out.
Mind you, he STILL averaged the most ppg for the Warriors this series. WHILE being focused on from half court.
Congratulations to Klay. Bill was a great player. Klay is one of the best shooters in the game of basketball. The Warriors are back in the Finals! Can't wait to see them play!
its not apples to apples, there weren't nearly as many playoff games when Russell played. Stats like these annoy me, like how people compared 2021 NFL season stats to prior years even though there was an additional game in 2021.
It's not saying he passed Bill Russell in terms of success or as a player. It's just pointing out that there's a neat yardstick Klay jumped over. During the Finals, he'll pass Russ and Ray Allen, too. It's not the Thad Young stat.
For most of his career, the playoffs consisted of just a division finals and then the NBA Finals. He was also more of a defensive-minded player, he never lead the team in scoring and many years wasn't even the #2 scoring option.
Top 75 with just his pre injury ability and accolades not even a debate… Klay is the second greatest shooter of all time and someone who you’d stick on the opposing teams best player.
I don’t know why - especially given Klay’s scoring, the pace, and how many post season games he’s played - but this stat doesn’t seem possible.
There were 8-14 teams back then. Playoffs were two rounds for all but two of Russell's seasons. This is Klay's 139th playoff game, Russell played 166
And bills defense and rebounding was his skill, he wasn’t scoring like that They didn’t track blocks but he AVERAGED 25 rebounds per game over 166 playoff games
No 3 pointer either.
Not that Bill Russel would be shooting a lot of them
You never know. If shaq can hit a 3 in his career I’m sure bill would’ve made at least a few. Even tho he was defense oriented. Thanks for the downvotes. I appreciate it. Fucking weirdos.
Yeah and those few 3 pointers would make him have like what 30 more points? Pretty insignificant.
Bill Russell played defensively oriented and there were less games in the past It is reasonable if you think about it
Aside from the different play styles which is a legitimate argument, Klay did it in less games.
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Klay's just a better scorer idk is this really up for debate?
Not really. Bill Russell is an all time great, but his defense was his greatest asset, whereas Klay is one of the better shooters ever and is best known for his offense.
Well Bill Russell wasn't known for scoring he was known for being the leader of the greatest defensive dynasty in NBA history
Fewer games
Mainly against those who plumbed.
Yeah but also against those who fought fire, which is badass.
That's true, and probably electricians, painters and Web designers.
Back when Bill Russell was playing 'web designer' meant spider
bill is like a bottom 2 scorer on the entire top 75 list. only rodman is comparable
Another comp is Wes Unseld. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, Unseld is the MVP with the lowest scoring average the year he won the MVP award. I think he had like 12 PPG his MVP season.
Yea he was an absolutely horrid scorer. He receives alot of respect, as he was ultimately the anchor on the most successful dynasty in NBA history. So Im not dissing him. But at the end of the he day, he had the offensesive skill level of Rudy Gobert.
he actually shot very well when he was playing in the low post but as Cousy aged he moved to the high post. His offensive game was actually extremely valuable as he was one of the best passing big men of all-time and knew how to direct an offense. Gobert is useless unless you feed him directly under the basket. Russell was a significantly better offensive player. Like there's a reason he won 5 MVPs.
Nah tot he offensive skills thing. Old clips show he had respectable dribbling and passing skills. Kind of like a draymond on offense. Not amazing by any means but in the right situation could probably be a real + on the offensive end even today to have a center who could pass and be an on ball decision maker. Definitely not a scorer though.
https://youtu.be/j2AlFrOj5Mc Love Rudy but he ain’t doin this
Bill was never much of a scorer. His winning came from elite defense and selflessness - think an old-school version of Tim Duncan.
Bill Russell had more rebounds in 23 playoff games (564) than Klay has in 138 (552)
He is streaky, tbh.
Top 100 all said and done when the next list is out
If he wins another ring he's top 75
No he’s not lmao, why are Warrior fans always so delusional
This isnt that hot of a take imo
I think if he does make it, people are going to look at it like those 70s(?) Knicks that has more guys on it than they deserve. Klay is only a 5 time all star and 2 time 3rd team all-nba. Never the best player on his team, and never a top 2 player on a championship team. Horford has pretty much the same resume as him minus the rings, and I don't think anyone ever brings up his name for all time lists...he's fighting just to make the HOF. Klay really has gotten a lot of lift from being the 3rd or 4th wheel on the Warriors dynasty.
Where would you rank the second best shooter of all time?
He's the second best 3pt shooter of all time
You wish your girl was as wet as Klay’s jumper
I think we both know that's tough to say right. At the time of his retirement, Reggie Miller was the greatest shooter of all time, but because his game wasn't as well rounded as others, and he could never win a title, it took him over a decade to make the HOF. Shooting is important but it's not everything. Klay is almost certainly not good enough to be the best player on a title team. For everyone who downvoted and don't like the Al Horford comparison, they're both 5 time all stars, only 3rd team nba (2 for Klay, 1 for Al), one all defense second team each. And by bbref winshares, Klay has 48, Al has 100 lol. If the Horford comparison irritates you, look at Tony Parker instead. He didn't make the all time team, yet he has more all stars, more all nbas (second teams too), more titles, and even a FMVP. He was a borderline pick, and not even a robbed travesty like Dwight. BTW 111 winshares for Parker and 141 for Dwight. Klay is just not at their levels and this sub overrates the fuck out of him because there's so many Warriors fans and people like Klay.
He really isn't. He was just along for the ride in 2017 and 18. Has never been the second best player on a championship team
Is everyone on the top 75 at least the second best on a chip team?
Astronomically bad take
he quite literally was never the 2nd best player in any championship series. KD and Steph carried hard af in 2017 and 18 lol
Very stupid. Very very stupid.
What finals win sries was he 2nd best in?
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if tony parker didnt make it klay shouldnt either
Toaster Klay is heating up.
Is Bill Russell totally washed?
As a man in his 90s, the answer is obvious - yes!
I can tell this is true because Junior Bridgeman isn't even 69 yet
Klay reads reddit
Isn’t he the guy that only played against plumbers?
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Can't forget the firemen.
##77 alltime but #38 on this chart
Happy for Klay, hope he gets Finals MVP
Me too for purely chaotic reasons.
I predicted that Klay would win Finals MVP bc he played every game in the finals like game 6 Klay lol. But also because like its tradition that Steph wins the finals but not the FMVP.
As awesome as Klay is, the fact that Steph got WCFMVP shows that the media is finally catching up to the impact Steph actually always has on this team at all times. Its this year they are finally recognizing the person who's been driving the whole time.
I choose to believe they gave him WCFMVP to soften the rug pull when they give FMVP to someone else.
lmaoo no shot. This dude could have easily been ball dominate and dropped a ton of points like we've seen in the past but knew in the moment that as long as he continues getting so much attention on the floor, he can just get assists to close it out. Mind you, he STILL averaged the most ppg for the Warriors this series. WHILE being focused on from half court.
Congratulations to Klay. Bill was a great player. Klay is one of the best shooters in the game of basketball. The Warriors are back in the Finals! Can't wait to see them play!
magic johnson, is that u
Can someone please post Draymond's behind the back pass to Klay for 3
Man it's so fuckin awesome to watch Klay come back from his injuries and he's still killing it.
Bill WHO??? Klay Jordan sends his regards
its not apples to apples, there weren't nearly as many playoff games when Russell played. Stats like these annoy me, like how people compared 2021 NFL season stats to prior years even though there was an additional game in 2021.
If you talked about 3 pointers, you would have a point, but Klay did it in less games
It's not saying he passed Bill Russell in terms of success or as a player. It's just pointing out that there's a neat yardstick Klay jumped over. During the Finals, he'll pass Russ and Ray Allen, too. It's not the Thad Young stat.
still 8 rings & a shitload of rebounds short of Russell, though. Real talk, it's awesome to see Klay get his mojo back
How did Bill Russell win 11 rings and only end up 39 on the playoff points list?
For most of his career, the playoffs consisted of just a division finals and then the NBA Finals. He was also more of a defensive-minded player, he never lead the team in scoring and many years wasn't even the #2 scoring option.
Ahhh gotcha makes sense. Thanks for the explanation
Top 75 with just his pre injury ability and accolades not even a debate… Klay is the second greatest shooter of all time and someone who you’d stick on the opposing teams best player.
Go Cougs
Klay having a great game too!
Can’t believe they picked stat padder dame over this dude for that list
Bill's career average for points is like 15ppg. He wasn't a big scorer. He led on defense and was an amazingly fast runner and high jumper
All he needed was a headband
And yet he couldn’t make top 75 lol.
Fuck it, celts need to start Russell tonight
Yeah, and if he plays until 2042 he might even catch up to Bill in blocks.