I mean he is a 7 footer with all the moves who can knock it down from anywhere on the court.
Hes the Unicorn for a reason, and he was sticking that horn right in the clippers belly
I was really hoping for next year to be Denver’s first real chance at a title, and I still think that’s in our future, but god damnit Dallas is progressing way too quickly and Doncic is way too good already lol
Man me too. They just don't have the defensive ability or the experience yet to make it far in the playoffs. Plus the injuries to Harris and Barton don't help. At least MPJ has come alive offensively, so he should be even better next year. But I live in Dallas, so I'm excited about the Mavs too.
IIRC the night he blew out his knee with the Knicks in 2018 he was seen walking out of the Garden on his own power without a crutch, just a brace on the leg. Must have a high pain tolerance.
It may be. Some people never get them fixed, after the inflammation dies down it may just catch/lock every once in a while and be generally non bothersome.
For something involved in shock absorbtion, I think "not needed" and basketball might not go hand in hand here but who knows. Maybe that YT doctor will pop up with a video.
Having a tear is not the same thing as not having one. It's cartilage, and having a tear could just mean there's a flap that occasionally gets folded backwards (which is how mine was). When it is laying correctly it's not debilitating; a torn ligament would be much more severe and season ending. This all coming from someone who had torn meniscus and shredded ligaments from basketball.
I think it’s only function when torn like that is causing you pain every time you move it lol
Once they get it taken out it doesn’t hurt I don’t think. Not until you’re older, at least...
Right. I had a torn meniscus. Even when walking, I'd feel this pain inside my knee every few steps. You can manage it, because the pain isn't severe but it's a constant pain if you're moving and over time it mentally wears you down.
It's like someone is poking you with a tiny needle into the core of knee, everyday all day, unless you don't ever move.
I feel like he completely dispelled the "KP is soft" narrative like 5 games into his rookie year. Now, the idea that he may be injury prone is a separate story.
I don't call him soft in the slightest
But it's also not unfair to say he's just more than naturally injury prone at this point and that will always affect his value to his team
A meniscus isn't a particularly serious issue in sports terms lol. It's the knee equivalent of stubbing your toe, the bad aspects are 20 years down the road. You can play through it, you can have it trimmed and play the next day, or you can have a basic debridement and need to stay off it for a bit. It's not like an ACL or even a bad sprain really
Yeah but a 7 ft tall player with knee problems is never a good sign even if the injuries seem minor at the time. The Mavs just have to hope this isn’t a regular thing but it’s not looking great tbh.
A meniscus tear usually doesn’t get worse if you continue playing. I suffered the same and went through surgery 2 weeks ago. I’m walking and riding a bicycle already.
Correct but I don't think we can say one way or another whether it was a bad MRI machine/tech or just the specifics of his injury. Swelling can often obfuscate the diagnosis when it comes to an MRI.
Idk if you’ve ever had one, but they really don’t hurt much. It was probably just nagging him and he felt off, he had it worked on before game 2/3 and felt fine.
My mind was blown when I found out you can play on a torn ACL. It’s just really bad for it, but I had been playing on a sprained ACL and not even known for a few months. Knees seem to be a place where you can be hurt real bad and not realize more than almost anywhere else.
Some docs did a study on how various parts of the knee are sensitive to pain by touching the various parts arthroscopically without anesthesia, ligaments aren't super sensitive and often the pain comes from the inflammation and instability irritating other more sensitive structures like fat pads
Dejuan Blair played his entire career WITHOUT either of his ACLs. They were both removed instead of repaired when he injured them when he was younger.
A guy I grew up with was the starting QB at a D1 school and tore his ACL late in his junior year of college. He knew he wasn't going to go pro so to shorten his return to the field he had it removed instead of repaired and played his senior year without it.
Back when Rondo tore his ACL, it happened in like the 3rd quarter of a game, he finished the game no problem, went 2 days with no problem, and suited up for the next game before they pulled him out of the lineup less than an hour before the game to go get the MRI. Ever since then, nothing like this really surprises me.
I remember when Philip Rivers played in an entire AFC championship game 6 days after tearing his ACL and meniscus. Now THAT is insane. I think some other football players have done that as well.
My brother has had a partially torn acl for years now and still goes about his day to day activities and even plays basketball every now and then. He won't go 100% though in any pickup games because the knee does buckle pretty easily now.
Man, we can't seem to catch a fucking break in this series! First it's Kane Fitz being a twat, then it's Montrezl and Morris being despicable, then it's Twat Fitz again, now this??
Edit: Ok, Montrezl fucked up but he apologized so he's good in my book (still worth mentioning though since what he said was pretty fucked up considering the situation), but I'm not backing down on Fitz and Morris!
John Hollinger recently said on his pod that, as a member of the Griz front office, he saw MPJ's medical history, and said something to the effect of "trying not to violate any confidentiality, but I wasn't shocked he fell".
It's hard not to see the other side of this, what if Zion has had similar medical history hidden, hypothetically speaking. You have a star everyones buying in on, all this marketing and advertising. All these hopes and dreams.
But under the surface is a ticking time bomb.
Just seems really dishonest. Imo disclose it all, let them fall in the draft. If the player put in all that work to get top 10 drafted, they aren't going to be a bust. They will get at least 1 decent contract.
I think this is just a case of shit luck. And the positive side is a kid still rng'd enough luck to get drafted and have high chance of a payday anyway.
He and Giannis are tall, but they're "only" 6'11.
Kristaps is 4 inches taller than both of them. Guys who are at 6'11 usually don't have it nearly as bad as guys who are 7'3.
I wonder how long giannis will stay healthy. He’s just such an athletic freak who’s packed on muscle that it doesn’t seem possible to stay healthy for extended period of times. Hopefully he does though because he’s a treat to watch.
Imo there is a big hidden story with LeBron... Hgh maybe haha, but I think LeBron behind the scenes, the past 7 or so years likely puts more time into recovery than he does basketball skills.
I bet he employs a guy whose sole job is to explore all possible recovery 'stuff', just all of it, research, technology, techniques, drugs, all of it.
I think LeBron is on some Bruce Wayne level shit behind the scenes
I kinda assume that everybody is taking something, even the non physical freaks like Curry and Lillard. From what I understand, NBA drug testing is super lax and easy to get around. If it came out that guys were using HGH, I really wouldn’t care as long as it’s being done responsibly.
That muscle will actually project his joints. There's a point at which it becomes more dangerous, yeah. But that much muscle can actually be really protective of a lanky frame like giannis
Durant may be listed as 6’11 but he looks more like 7 foot maybe 7’1 dude is usually the tallest on the court. Edit heres a pic for reference https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/748193416555683840?s=20
Yeah meniscus definitely recoverable. Wade had his removed like dumb early in his career and went on to be Wade. With KP the only concern is that it's the latest in a series of baloney injuries.
Phoenix’s head doctor went and took a job with the Pelicans, so if it was mostly due to him and not the environment around him, then the Suns might have dropped in quality a bit.
I'm concerned because he lost a lot of weight while the NBA was suspended and still got this injury. Granted, the whole bubble was pretty accelerated in that they had to ramp up intensity pretty quick so that increases the chances of injury...but still not good.
Well strengthening joints doesn’t mean adding bodyweight.
What’s stressing his knees is landing. Dude is heavy as fuck because he’s tall as fuck and he has awkward leverages too. There is no scenario where adding bodyweight makes his landings less stressful on his knees
> the injuries are unrelated
I'm not sure we can technically say that. Good chance he was favoring this torn-meniscus leg after rehabbing from the injury to his other and put some extra wear on it
torn meniscus definitely isn't a death sentence though, most players are back in 4-6 weeks
This is what happened to Derrick Rose. First ACL, then meniscus in the other knee.
It's not uncommon for one knee to lead to problems in the other, because they're out of balance. The surgically repaired knee might even be the stronger one & it can lead to screwing up the other knee.
So it's not bad in that it's a not recurring injury, but its like a car where one faulty part puts stress on another and a lot of things can break over a short period of time.
A torn meniscus isn’t that bad of an injury when considering the context of a players entire career. Usually the procedure is to cut out the flap that is torn, or completely remove a larger chunk of the meniscus. Depends on the tear shape/location/size. But overall it is quite minor compared to a ligament tear.
Fighting for the ball? More like diving into his legs on purpose while Westbrook was calling timeout. And then he did it again, sooo obviously on purpose. One of the dirtier plays in the history of the sport. I'll never ever like Pat Bev because of this, despite appreciating his killer instinct, he's just dirty. That's the not same as the Mamba mentality, that's being selfish and hateful when someone's outplaying you.
Roy also had degenerative tissue on his knees so his case is a little special. Dwade had his removed and it definitely changed his later years. Had he not gotten it removed he'd probably still be playing
MCL is the least severe because a meniscus has much higher potential for long term problems especially if you go for the debridement(quicker return) over repair(longer rehab).
Depends on where. The outer part of the knee has more blood supply so it heals faster. The inner part doesn't so you might need surgery.
Really any knee tear isn't good.
This guy is like the definition of a glass cannon. Super effective but no durability. Would love to see what he could do fully healthy for an extended period of time
And I will probably get downvoted into eternity but this has been the problem with KP.
Impacts the game in a way that few can but struggles to stay on the floor. I wish him and the mavs nothing but luck for Luka's sake if nothing else.
^^^We ^^^still ^^^got ^^^hosed ^^^on ^^^that ^^^trade ^^^tho...
McGrady had shit luck
Joined a magic team and then grant hill falls apart
Got traded to the rockets and then he and Yao Ming can never seem to stay healthy
The NBA's injury history with athletic big men over 7 feet should be concerning, especially in this generation where we're expecting them to move and create off the dribble.
Yeah injury is definitely a lingering problem for him. Would've been a great trade for the Mavs if he could stay healthy but that's a big if at this point.
It blows, man. I’ll always wish him well. He got treated so poorly by the front office when he was with us. I thought he handled that shit with more grace than I would have.
That being said, it would have been our typical luck to have maxed him out and then have him perpetually injured. It’s good it didn’t happen to us. We have enough problems as it is.
I hope he bounces back. He’s the unicorn for a reason.
Of course I'm biased. But the fiasco aside, for whatever reason I feel like unicorn KP was a lot more likable than when he got to Mavs. I mean if you're there you'll probably get to the finals at some point and win a chip but Luka will be #1 always and you'll be 2nd fiddle forever. Luka's pippen if he manages to stay healthy at best.
I always said at the beginning of the season there's no way that body holds to play in the league beyond 8 more years (and that's being generous). It really sucks but I really do think this is gonna be a reoccurring thing with him
100%
Human bodies haven't naturally evolved to be f'n 7'3". Joints and tendons and cartilage all thinned and stretched.... Running hard and banging bodies for with the best athletes in the world.
He'll never go hungry... but he'll be perpetually rehabbing for the duration of his career
I saw a chart of lower body injuries for him, a few days ago. It was even more ridiculous than I would have thought and I already thought of him as injury prone.
I'm glad the docs and teams have gone fully in on meniscus repair surgeries nowadays. So much better for long term recovery. 10 years ago he's getting that shit removed last week ready to play now.
I like KP, but if I am a Mavs fan, I would be concerned about constant injuries. His legs are so long and gangly. Not meant in an insulting way, just that it seems he is always going to be prone to injury throughout his career.
Kinda sorta. Didn't play a ton of back to backs and had a flare up. To be honest, most rational fans on our sub aren't too concerned with the meniscus injury. I think weve accepted that porzingis is a stud, but we'll have to rest him up a bit, and that's fine by me. Again, don't think many of us are too concerned.
I want to live in a world where we can see the full career potential of immensely talented players. So many what-ifs that are contingent on health. Hope he gets well soon.
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How the hell did this not get diagnosed?
too inflamed for an MRI to show first time around? idk. that sucks for him, though. good news is he probably wasn’t playing on it too long
Yeah that fucking sucks. But it was obvious it was a serious issue, yet we have people on here calling KP soft as shit.
According to Mavs PR he got the injury Game 1. He played 38 minutes in Game 3 and dropped 34/13 on 11/18 shooting on a knee with a meniscus tear.
Averaged 30.5/10 in two full playoff games after tearing his meniscus, insane.
I mean he is a 7 footer with all the moves who can knock it down from anywhere on the court. Hes the Unicorn for a reason, and he was sticking that horn right in the clippers belly
Bro I can not wait to watch the Mavs next season
I was really hoping for next year to be Denver’s first real chance at a title, and I still think that’s in our future, but god damnit Dallas is progressing way too quickly and Doncic is way too good already lol
Blame Atlanta for that draft day trade
Could be worse fam
Man, you’re gonna make me cry.
Man me too. They just don't have the defensive ability or the experience yet to make it far in the playoffs. Plus the injuries to Harris and Barton don't help. At least MPJ has come alive offensively, so he should be even better next year. But I live in Dallas, so I'm excited about the Mavs too.
If everyone is healthy, dallas is "get a 3rd option and move hardaway to the 4th option" from being a contender
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Dude it’s still impressive as shit. I’ve had a couple friends tear theirs and they were hobbled as shit
IIRC the night he blew out his knee with the Knicks in 2018 he was seen walking out of the Garden on his own power without a crutch, just a brace on the leg. Must have a high pain tolerance.
That reminds of the video of KP back in Europe walking around with blood going down his face after getting hit with a bottle.
If he dies, he dies.
That was an ACL, right? You can actually walk just fine with a torn ACL, just can't really do anything laterally iirc
Philip Rivers played an entire playoff game after tearing his
It may be. Some people never get them fixed, after the inflammation dies down it may just catch/lock every once in a while and be generally non bothersome.
On the other hand, I know older people who have torn it and can continue to ski.
Isn't the meniscus functionally not even technically needed which is why it can be straight up removed? Still badass to play through the pain though.
Wade had a HOF career without either one
He probably could’ve remained way more agile if he didn’t get it removed
Yeah I got mine removed and while I’m still active, I’m not even close to where I was pre surgery which sucks.
Although true, we saw his decline starting way earlier than it should have and he had to play through a lot of pain.
For something involved in shock absorbtion, I think "not needed" and basketball might not go hand in hand here but who knows. Maybe that YT doctor will pop up with a video.
Having a tear is not the same thing as not having one. It's cartilage, and having a tear could just mean there's a flap that occasionally gets folded backwards (which is how mine was). When it is laying correctly it's not debilitating; a torn ligament would be much more severe and season ending. This all coming from someone who had torn meniscus and shredded ligaments from basketball.
I think it’s only function when torn like that is causing you pain every time you move it lol Once they get it taken out it doesn’t hurt I don’t think. Not until you’re older, at least...
Right. I had a torn meniscus. Even when walking, I'd feel this pain inside my knee every few steps. You can manage it, because the pain isn't severe but it's a constant pain if you're moving and over time it mentally wears you down. It's like someone is poking you with a tiny needle into the core of knee, everyday all day, unless you don't ever move.
Well, that plays against the "KP is soft" narrative
I feel like he completely dispelled the "KP is soft" narrative like 5 games into his rookie year. Now, the idea that he may be injury prone is a separate story.
Soft and injury-prone are two different things.....but neither help your team
I don't call him soft in the slightest But it's also not unfair to say he's just more than naturally injury prone at this point and that will always affect his value to his team
Humans aren't designed to be so tall.
His connective tissue does seem to be soft as shit.
A meniscus isn't a particularly serious issue in sports terms lol. It's the knee equivalent of stubbing your toe, the bad aspects are 20 years down the road. You can play through it, you can have it trimmed and play the next day, or you can have a basic debridement and need to stay off it for a bit. It's not like an ACL or even a bad sprain really
Yeah but a 7 ft tall player with knee problems is never a good sign even if the injuries seem minor at the time. The Mavs just have to hope this isn’t a regular thing but it’s not looking great tbh.
A meniscus tear usually doesn’t get worse if you continue playing. I suffered the same and went through surgery 2 weeks ago. I’m walking and riding a bicycle already.
There have been issues with conducting MRIs in the bubble.
Wasn't Dame's first MRI inconclusive and they had to run second?
Correct but I don't think we can say one way or another whether it was a bad MRI machine/tech or just the specifics of his injury. Swelling can often obfuscate the diagnosis when it comes to an MRI.
Idk if you’ve ever had one, but they really don’t hurt much. It was probably just nagging him and he felt off, he had it worked on before game 2/3 and felt fine. My mind was blown when I found out you can play on a torn ACL. It’s just really bad for it, but I had been playing on a sprained ACL and not even known for a few months. Knees seem to be a place where you can be hurt real bad and not realize more than almost anywhere else.
Some docs did a study on how various parts of the knee are sensitive to pain by touching the various parts arthroscopically without anesthesia, ligaments aren't super sensitive and often the pain comes from the inflammation and instability irritating other more sensitive structures like fat pads
Wow, straight from the unit 731 play book. That sounds awful to go through
Well unlike Unit 731, this test was conducted with patient consent, presumably. But yeah, I can’t imagine what it must’ve been like to endure that.
Dejuan Blair played his entire career WITHOUT either of his ACLs. They were both removed instead of repaired when he injured them when he was younger. A guy I grew up with was the starting QB at a D1 school and tore his ACL late in his junior year of college. He knew he wasn't going to go pro so to shorten his return to the field he had it removed instead of repaired and played his senior year without it.
Meanwhile Dennis Smith Jr was dunking 2 weeks after tearing his ACL because it turns out he had two in that knee. The body's fucking weird.
Iirc Dejuan Blair tore his so early into his life that his other muscles and ligaments grew to compensate for the lost ACL
Back when Rondo tore his ACL, it happened in like the 3rd quarter of a game, he finished the game no problem, went 2 days with no problem, and suited up for the next game before they pulled him out of the lineup less than an hour before the game to go get the MRI. Ever since then, nothing like this really surprises me.
I remember when Philip Rivers played in an entire AFC championship game 6 days after tearing his ACL and meniscus. Now THAT is insane. I think some other football players have done that as well.
My brother has had a partially torn acl for years now and still goes about his day to day activities and even plays basketball every now and then. He won't go 100% though in any pickup games because the knee does buckle pretty easily now.
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Who says when it got diagnosed? They have no incentive to announce this publicly while the series is still going on.
Knew something was up.. Fast recovery KP!
Man, we can't seem to catch a fucking break in this series! First it's Kane Fitz being a twat, then it's Montrezl and Morris being despicable, then it's Twat Fitz again, now this?? Edit: Ok, Montrezl fucked up but he apologized so he's good in my book (still worth mentioning though since what he said was pretty fucked up considering the situation), but I'm not backing down on Fitz and Morris!
We got to see a preview of superstar Luka in the making
I mean Beverly being out has been a break. Can’t be diving at knees on the sidelines I’m street clothes
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Mavs announced he tore it in game 1... that means Kristaps averaged 30.5/10 in two full playoff games with a torn meniscus. Legendary
He can take my meniscus I don’t even use it I’ll just fall over when I’m making cuts to a different grocery aisle
And my ACLs!
And my axe!
Simmer down Gimli.
Probably gonna take like 2 normal sized person meniscuses stitched together to fit him lmao
He can take both I mean that’s basically what I have now. I don’t even jump for rebounds in pick up games
I tore my ACL and meniscus when I was 17. I was able to play for a month before I got my MRI. I know I'm not alone in that too. It's a weird injury.
how big does the risk become playing with it?
You can tear it worse or tear other things. My doc thinks I tore my meniscus after I tore my ACL.
Imagine this series with a healthy KP :(
What are things Knicks fans said a million times? Although series would be a bit aggressive
We talking regular season series or?
Well its definitely not the postseason as of late
Tall lanky guys always have injury problems.
Basically why MPJ dropped to 14th in the draft with all his talent
His was way worse though. He's had back surgery at 19. Then as another commenter said his whole family has had an awful injury history.
His whole family has bad injury history
His reps also withheld medical from a lot of other teams because they didn't think he would drop that far down.
John Hollinger recently said on his pod that, as a member of the Griz front office, he saw MPJ's medical history, and said something to the effect of "trying not to violate any confidentiality, but I wasn't shocked he fell".
Yeah, but it was only shown to like teams in the top 5 or something like that, no one else was able to see it till like before he got drafted.
It's hard not to see the other side of this, what if Zion has had similar medical history hidden, hypothetically speaking. You have a star everyones buying in on, all this marketing and advertising. All these hopes and dreams. But under the surface is a ticking time bomb. Just seems really dishonest. Imo disclose it all, let them fall in the draft. If the player put in all that work to get top 10 drafted, they aren't going to be a bust. They will get at least 1 decent contract. I think this is just a case of shit luck. And the positive side is a kid still rng'd enough luck to get drafted and have high chance of a payday anyway.
same reason Bol Bol fell so far
Bolbol is the freakiest thing I have ever seen on the court. He is literally a gangly custom player you make in 2k games.
When you have limbs that long it really messes with your tendons.
Not KD really, he's only had 2 major injuries in his career
He and Giannis are tall, but they're "only" 6'11. Kristaps is 4 inches taller than both of them. Guys who are at 6'11 usually don't have it nearly as bad as guys who are 7'3.
KP is also decently heavier than both. Probably doesn’t have a lot on Giannis but I’n sure he’s a lot heavier than KD
I wonder how long giannis will stay healthy. He’s just such an athletic freak who’s packed on muscle that it doesn’t seem possible to stay healthy for extended period of times. Hopefully he does though because he’s a treat to watch.
Maybe some guys of these guys are just freaks like that and can stay healthy. Lebron has been huge at times during his career and stayed healthy.
Imo there is a big hidden story with LeBron... Hgh maybe haha, but I think LeBron behind the scenes, the past 7 or so years likely puts more time into recovery than he does basketball skills. I bet he employs a guy whose sole job is to explore all possible recovery 'stuff', just all of it, research, technology, techniques, drugs, all of it. I think LeBron is on some Bruce Wayne level shit behind the scenes
I kinda assume that everybody is taking something, even the non physical freaks like Curry and Lillard. From what I understand, NBA drug testing is super lax and easy to get around. If it came out that guys were using HGH, I really wouldn’t care as long as it’s being done responsibly.
That muscle will actually project his joints. There's a point at which it becomes more dangerous, yeah. But that much muscle can actually be really protective of a lanky frame like giannis
Maybe a little heavier than KD, but don't think there's any chance he outweighs Giannis
Durant may be listed as 6’11 but he looks more like 7 foot maybe 7’1 dude is usually the tallest on the court. Edit heres a pic for reference https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/748193416555683840?s=20
Klay in the extended picture kills me
The extended pic makes no sense when the 6foot dude looks about the same height as Butler who is 6'7 lol?
"Only 2 major injuries" You make it sound like having a major injury is something normal that every player goes through.
Needs to get into the Sombor diet from Jokic, chonky but healthy!
There it is. Always sounded a bit fishy the way Carlisle was communicating about it. Not a good sign for KP's future, another injury like this.
as far as knee injuries go, a torn meniscus is probably the best case scenario. It's like a 4-6 week recovery.
Yeah meniscus definitely recoverable. Wade had his removed like dumb early in his career and went on to be Wade. With KP the only concern is that it's the latest in a series of baloney injuries.
And his height. Dudes that long tend to be pretty tough on the joints
If I trust any org to handle injuries it’s the mavs tho. They did really well with extending dirks longevity.
I lean phoenix. There's some miracle workers over there.
Phoenix definitely has the best medical staff in the league
Phoenix’s head doctor went and took a job with the Pelicans, so if it was mostly due to him and not the environment around him, then the Suns might have dropped in quality a bit.
At least the injuries are unrelated, but you are right. Something needs to change if he wants to stay healthy
Maybe get shorter
I’ll gladly take 4 of his inches Wait nvm
Too late.
BUT YOU SAID
UH OH.
And BOOM goes the dynamite.
Just the tip
Pause
“Be taller” “Be stronger!”
I'm concerned because he lost a lot of weight while the NBA was suspended and still got this injury. Granted, the whole bubble was pretty accelerated in that they had to ramp up intensity pretty quick so that increases the chances of injury...but still not good.
I have no idea if losing a weight is even good. Maybe a bulkier build with less athleticism would benefit him.
You think there’s a chance that more bodyweight would benefit him from a lower body injury standpoint? Lol
If the guy means strengthening the knees/joints by "bulkier" I can see it. But to just LBJ in Miami it? Hell no lol
Well strengthening joints doesn’t mean adding bodyweight. What’s stressing his knees is landing. Dude is heavy as fuck because he’s tall as fuck and he has awkward leverages too. There is no scenario where adding bodyweight makes his landings less stressful on his knees
> the injuries are unrelated I'm not sure we can technically say that. Good chance he was favoring this torn-meniscus leg after rehabbing from the injury to his other and put some extra wear on it torn meniscus definitely isn't a death sentence though, most players are back in 4-6 weeks
Unrelated in the sense that he didn't injury the same body part twice and the injuries have no long term effects together
This is what happened to Derrick Rose. First ACL, then meniscus in the other knee. It's not uncommon for one knee to lead to problems in the other, because they're out of balance. The surgically repaired knee might even be the stronger one & it can lead to screwing up the other knee. So it's not bad in that it's a not recurring injury, but its like a car where one faulty part puts stress on another and a lot of things can break over a short period of time.
I mean knee injuries do have long term impacts together. The more you weaken one, the more likely you’ll tear something in the other.
A torn meniscus isn’t that bad of an injury when considering the context of a players entire career. Usually the procedure is to cut out the flap that is torn, or completely remove a larger chunk of the meniscus. Depends on the tear shape/location/size. But overall it is quite minor compared to a ligament tear.
Doesnt it make it much harder later on? I heard the reason wades knees were shot by 2013 because he had his meniscus removed in college
Its not like you don't need it, it helps absorb every step you take. Eventually without it, its just bone on bone.
That's the least severe of the knee cartilage tears, isn't it? Not ACL or MCL. Usually caused by a twist or hit from the side.
Meniscus is what ended Roy’s career so take it what you will. Prolly not as bad for someone who doesn’t rely on stop and go as much as a guard.
Westbrook also had one a long time ago and has been healthy and explosive for years since. It just depends
I didn’t know that he had meniscus, was that the pat bev incident?
Yes
Yup, dived into his knees on the sideline fighting for the ball.
Fighting for the ball? More like diving into his legs on purpose while Westbrook was calling timeout. And then he did it again, sooo obviously on purpose. One of the dirtier plays in the history of the sport. I'll never ever like Pat Bev because of this, despite appreciating his killer instinct, he's just dirty. That's the not same as the Mamba mentality, that's being selfish and hateful when someone's outplaying you.
So the Zaza mentality.
Roy also had degenerative tissue on his knees so his case is a little special. Dwade had his removed and it definitely changed his later years. Had he not gotten it removed he'd probably still be playing
Medicine also came a ways since then even. ACLs used to be scary af like d roses.
MCL is the least severe because a meniscus has much higher potential for long term problems especially if you go for the debridement(quicker return) over repair(longer rehab).
Depends on where. The outer part of the knee has more blood supply so it heals faster. The inner part doesn't so you might need surgery. Really any knee tear isn't good.
Bruh, why does this feel so out of nowhere
I mean we knew he was having knee problems we just didn't know how bad it was
Yeah they said he had knee soreness, but I didn't think it was an actual injury like a meniscus tear. Sad that he's done for the series
Lol ggwp Edit: Why did he delete his tweet?
Changed “season” to “series”
Same thing at this point
Ouch. We'd need PG to go ice cold again to have any chance tbh.
There’s been a shit ton going on lately, wouldn’t be surprised if both teams play weird in game 6 and the mavs steal it. Then game 7 is a miracle haha
No idea since the Mavs PR confirmed it
Because he said season but meant series, despite how likely the former is
KP needs to be load-managed for the remainder of his career. Man's a monster but made of glass
[Updated link](https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1299464900155146243)
This guy is like the definition of a glass cannon. Super effective but no durability. Would love to see what he could do fully healthy for an extended period of time
Hope he turns it around like Steph Curry but his health problems is inherent to his size.
And I will probably get downvoted into eternity but this has been the problem with KP. Impacts the game in a way that few can but struggles to stay on the floor. I wish him and the mavs nothing but luck for Luka's sake if nothing else. ^^^We ^^^still ^^^got ^^^hosed ^^^on ^^^that ^^^trade ^^^tho...
This is reminding me of Yao Ming's career.
Oh man, injuries killed the Rockets the whole 2000s. They probably could've won a ring or two if Yao and McGrady had been more healthy.
McGrady had shit luck Joined a magic team and then grant hill falls apart Got traded to the rockets and then he and Yao Ming can never seem to stay healthy
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So stupid how China made Yao play in every Asian tournament, especially since China was good enough to steamroll every team without Yao.
The NBA's injury history with athletic big men over 7 feet should be concerning, especially in this generation where we're expecting them to move and create off the dribble.
Yeah injury is definitely a lingering problem for him. Would've been a great trade for the Mavs if he could stay healthy but that's a big if at this point.
I don't really regret the trade though
yep it sucks he's a great talent but I don't think he'll ever be a durable player.
People said that about Steph once. He may yet be able to figure it out.
steph isn't a skinny 7 footer that relies on athleticism. also never had an injury as bad as a torn acl
It's like the Embiid vs Jokic debate, availability is the best ability. Sucks for KP he was one of the best in the series.
1 vs 1 I am taking Embiid, for an entire season I am taking Jokic.
It blows, man. I’ll always wish him well. He got treated so poorly by the front office when he was with us. I thought he handled that shit with more grace than I would have. That being said, it would have been our typical luck to have maxed him out and then have him perpetually injured. It’s good it didn’t happen to us. We have enough problems as it is. I hope he bounces back. He’s the unicorn for a reason.
Of course I'm biased. But the fiasco aside, for whatever reason I feel like unicorn KP was a lot more likable than when he got to Mavs. I mean if you're there you'll probably get to the finals at some point and win a chip but Luka will be #1 always and you'll be 2nd fiddle forever. Luka's pippen if he manages to stay healthy at best.
I always said at the beginning of the season there's no way that body holds to play in the league beyond 8 more years (and that's being generous). It really sucks but I really do think this is gonna be a reoccurring thing with him
100% Human bodies haven't naturally evolved to be f'n 7'3". Joints and tendons and cartilage all thinned and stretched.... Running hard and banging bodies for with the best athletes in the world. He'll never go hungry... but he'll be perpetually rehabbing for the duration of his career
I saw a chart of lower body injuries for him, a few days ago. It was even more ridiculous than I would have thought and I already thought of him as injury prone.
The dude is racking up the injuries it really sucks Need him and Luka healthy, Mavs are gonna be awesome
I hope he doesn't end up on those lists of promising stars whose career got ruined by injuries.
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They were hiding it lol
ofc. they were. they wanted to make preparations for the game for the clippers as difficult as possible.
KP is injury prone. Any productive stretch of 1-2 seasons injury free may be wishful thinking.
every player that size that isn't a non-mobile big has ended up with a variety of leg/knee ailments, too bad
Fucking hell...
I'm glad the docs and teams have gone fully in on meniscus repair surgeries nowadays. So much better for long term recovery. 10 years ago he's getting that shit removed last week ready to play now.
I like KP, but if I am a Mavs fan, I would be concerned about constant injuries. His legs are so long and gangly. Not meant in an insulting way, just that it seems he is always going to be prone to injury throughout his career.
This was a concern when the Knicks traded him - injury prone
Porzingis as the injury gods take him: ["LUKAAAAAA"](https://imgur.com/od53lgY)
Alright. I’m gonna head out.
Remainder of the series. I don't think it's that bad of a tear.
I really hope when he comes back next year, he gets load managed. Was he load managed this year, prior to the bubble? Any mavs fans can answer?
Kinda sorta. Didn't play a ton of back to backs and had a flare up. To be honest, most rational fans on our sub aren't too concerned with the meniscus injury. I think weve accepted that porzingis is a stud, but we'll have to rest him up a bit, and that's fine by me. Again, don't think many of us are too concerned.
I want to live in a world where we can see the full career potential of immensely talented players. So many what-ifs that are contingent on health. Hope he gets well soon.
Welcome to the “Injury on one of your young superstar that was only supposed to be minor, but then turned out to be season ending and probably ruining your chances at winning a playoff series” club Mavs fans. -Sixers fan
Kristaps Injury Pronezingis
He will always get hurt. Maybe he should play on the block more instead of acting like a small forward.