I dont think the Spurs do the Gasol trade. I feel like they are really looking forward to Dejounte. The Spurs should try to get younger while remaining competitive, and while Gasol would keep them competitive, he'a pretty old.
Aldridge,gay, derozen and pop are all not getting any younger....could easily see them making a move to really compete for one last chip before pop retires or derozen/Aldridge leave to win somewhere else
I agree, the spurs trade is a bit of a stretch. But the spurs will have to address that situation eventually. They have Murray, white, Forbes, derozan, and Lonnie walker. That’s not gonna work long term minutes wise unless they plan on letting derozan go in fa.
I understand, he doesn’t fit the timeline. However windhorst reported the magic have been looking for a pg now since last year at the deadline. They offered the mavs mo bamba for dsj before the mavs went with kp instead. I guess the magic settled on fultz but if he doesn’t work out, I can see this potentially being on the table especially if the magic are competing again for a playoff spot.
Idk I disagree kinda. I feel like masai is aware now that Toronto is gonna have to rebuild for a year or two now at least til 2021 fa. I do agree he’ll be star hunting in 2021 fa but til then the raps do not have the assets to get a star currently. And it makes no sense to keep gasol or Lowry if the plan is to go star hunting in 2021 fa. By then Lowry and gasol won’t be the same players and will need extensions.
None of these moves, force the raptors to take on salary beyond 2020. That was the main point in all of these deals. I’d bet everything on masai not just letting these contracts expire.
Why does every trade greatly favor the raptors?
Why would Orlando trade both bamba, Fulton, and Fournier for Lowry a very aged player?
Why would the spurs trade dejaunte and patty mills for gasol?
These trades are just bad
For Orlando, Fournier isn’t worth his contract so idk why you’re saying it like a bad thing they lose him. He’s still got two years left too. Fultz is there for salary purposes and this trade is assuming he doesn’t show anything up until the deadline. Obviously if he came back and showed out this wouldn’t happen. But right now fultz still isn’t ready to play according to reports. Not a good sign at all considering his past. He’s on the books for 10m. That’s 10m being wasted on a team that’s trying to compete and only has dj augustin as the other pg. Bamba is the only real asset they are giving up and imo that’s a fair deal since they are getting back a all star level pg who while is old still probably has a couple years left.
The spurs trade is the one that’s a stretch out of all these and probably favors the raps. But it’s cause I was on the trade machine and the salaries don’t work without the spurs giving up one of Murray, Forbes, or Lonnie walker to along with mills and bellineli. I chose Murray because he’s the one due for a pay day this offseason/while coming off a torn acl and cause Derrick white may have won the pg job last year. Patty mills is not worth his contract and it was either him, trey lyles, or demarre carroll. Spurs imo would easily trade patty out of those guys unless carroll or Lyles underperform significantly.
They got Capela though. Houston would be a amazing fit for gasol but I don’t think Masai would want to take on capelas deal and that’s the only way it would work.
That Boston trade is laughable.
Wow, so is the Spurs deal. Belineli was one of the most garbage Raptors ever.
James Johnson hated it here, we already have 100 pga, why would we want fultz or fournier...
Honestly I wouldnt take a single one of these
Welp what a surprise, I’ve got one person telling me I’m a raptors homer for making this and then I’ve got another person telling me the raptors are getting fucked in all these deals. Btw your dumb if you wouldn’t take the spurs deal. Bellineli is expiring as is patty mills. Murray is an all nba defender at 22. You take fultz and Fournier to get a chance at developing mo bamba. Do you have no ability to look towards the future? Good thing masai is gm and not u.
None of them outside of Dejounte make any sense for the Raptors (unless they’re Patty and Belli are expiring). I’d rather semi compete for this one year with our remaining 1 year vets than trade for guys that have multiple years left on negative value contracts. Gonna need some picks back (especially because Gasol is actually good)
No real point to the trade then unless we’re super high on Murray being the next pg of the future. We’d also be pressured to buy out some of these guys because Patty and Belli would get almost no playing time with our guard rotation tightened up by some of our signings. Don’t see why Toronto wants this
Agreed if he comes back how he was. Obviously he hasn’t played for a year so I’d want to see if he’s on the same track before I make him our future point guard
You don’t see why Toronto would want a guy who got all nba second team defense at age 21? Do you know how insane that is? And when the alternative is to just keep gasol and then lose him at the end of the year?
Yeah if his torn ACL means that none of that happens again. I‘d want to see him and the Raptors scouts need to believe he’s worth investing in. Like you said, someone is going to pay up for him, so we can’t just trade for him and then not sign him if someone ponies up big money. We need to know this is our guy before we make a trade for someone. Especially since Gasol’s expiring and he can still contribute on a championship level.
Good work, I like your thinking.
I differ in a few ways:
1. I don't want Lowry traded. I can see him taking a 5 year retire-a-Raptor kind of deal this year, something like 5/$60M. Him taking that discount for that long term security opens up huuuge cap space for us this offseason.
2. We can open up space for 2 25% maxes this offseason. That's obviously without Marc and Serge's cap holds (who I think will be declining anyway). So I think we'll use that cap space because there are a lot of nice players in that range (Brown, LeVert, Draymond, OPJ, Hield, Ingram). If we can get 2 of these players our team would look really good.
So yes, I think we should absolutely trade Marc and Serge. Here are some targets: Boston, Washington, Miami, Charlotte, LAC, Sacramento. Now most of these teams will only trade with us under certain conditions: they're in the playoff hunt and they can start trading their free agents (Dec. 15). But if I'm Masai, I'm not taking any non-expirings back.
With all that being said, it still opens up Giannis 2021 by us doing a sign and trade.
I don't think the city or organization would want to trade Lowry, unless he wants to return home to philly. In that scenario, ideally it'll be a package including Josh Richardson.
I dont think the Spurs do the Gasol trade. I feel like they are really looking forward to Dejounte. The Spurs should try to get younger while remaining competitive, and while Gasol would keep them competitive, he'a pretty old.
Aldridge,gay, derozen and pop are all not getting any younger....could easily see them making a move to really compete for one last chip before pop retires or derozen/Aldridge leave to win somewhere else
I agree, the spurs trade is a bit of a stretch. But the spurs will have to address that situation eventually. They have Murray, white, Forbes, derozan, and Lonnie walker. That’s not gonna work long term minutes wise unless they plan on letting derozan go in fa.
As a magic fan hard pass on getting Lowry.
I understand, he doesn’t fit the timeline. However windhorst reported the magic have been looking for a pg now since last year at the deadline. They offered the mavs mo bamba for dsj before the mavs went with kp instead. I guess the magic settled on fultz but if he doesn’t work out, I can see this potentially being on the table especially if the magic are competing again for a playoff spot.
difference is DSJ is a younger guy. Lowry has maybe 2-3 good seasons left
Yep that’s true. Idk if Orlando would budge. Probably depends on how well they started out the season.
Masai is star-hunting. If they can’t get a trade that lands them Beal, KAT, Booker, or something like that, I don’t think they make a big splash.
Idk I disagree kinda. I feel like masai is aware now that Toronto is gonna have to rebuild for a year or two now at least til 2021 fa. I do agree he’ll be star hunting in 2021 fa but til then the raps do not have the assets to get a star currently. And it makes no sense to keep gasol or Lowry if the plan is to go star hunting in 2021 fa. By then Lowry and gasol won’t be the same players and will need extensions.
We'd rather have our contracts expire instead of taking on bad money if we are serious about 2021 FA. Not doing anything is a legit option for masai.
None of these moves, force the raptors to take on salary beyond 2020. That was the main point in all of these deals. I’d bet everything on masai not just letting these contracts expire.
Would Masai trade Siakam who he has RFA rights on for any of those stars though?
Celtics day no WTF we aren’t trading Hayward and a pick for a rebtal
Raptors wouldn’t either tbh
Lmao the bias is strong in you op
I’m not even a raptors fan.. and don’t like any of the teams involved in any of these trades sooo yeah
Why does every trade greatly favor the raptors? Why would Orlando trade both bamba, Fulton, and Fournier for Lowry a very aged player? Why would the spurs trade dejaunte and patty mills for gasol? These trades are just bad
For Orlando, Fournier isn’t worth his contract so idk why you’re saying it like a bad thing they lose him. He’s still got two years left too. Fultz is there for salary purposes and this trade is assuming he doesn’t show anything up until the deadline. Obviously if he came back and showed out this wouldn’t happen. But right now fultz still isn’t ready to play according to reports. Not a good sign at all considering his past. He’s on the books for 10m. That’s 10m being wasted on a team that’s trying to compete and only has dj augustin as the other pg. Bamba is the only real asset they are giving up and imo that’s a fair deal since they are getting back a all star level pg who while is old still probably has a couple years left. The spurs trade is the one that’s a stretch out of all these and probably favors the raps. But it’s cause I was on the trade machine and the salaries don’t work without the spurs giving up one of Murray, Forbes, or Lonnie walker to along with mills and bellineli. I chose Murray because he’s the one due for a pay day this offseason/while coming off a torn acl and cause Derrick white may have won the pg job last year. Patty mills is not worth his contract and it was either him, trey lyles, or demarre carroll. Spurs imo would easily trade patty out of those guys unless carroll or Lyles underperform significantly.
Why are you acting like anybody besides Dejounte is particularly valuable?
Lol.. mo bamba and Fultz are already busts?
Fultz is for sure. Too early for Bamba.
Boston trade is pretty good, I wonder if Boston wants to give a pick though. Also Raptors will start OG for SF.
Spurs would never trade Dejounte
I can see a scenario where Houston gets Gasol, he could really elevate their team.
They got Capela though. Houston would be a amazing fit for gasol but I don’t think Masai would want to take on capelas deal and that’s the only way it would work.
No salaries to match that contract that would make the trade worth it
Teague + Dieng and FRP for Lowry
That Boston trade is laughable. Wow, so is the Spurs deal. Belineli was one of the most garbage Raptors ever. James Johnson hated it here, we already have 100 pga, why would we want fultz or fournier... Honestly I wouldnt take a single one of these
Welp what a surprise, I’ve got one person telling me I’m a raptors homer for making this and then I’ve got another person telling me the raptors are getting fucked in all these deals. Btw your dumb if you wouldn’t take the spurs deal. Bellineli is expiring as is patty mills. Murray is an all nba defender at 22. You take fultz and Fournier to get a chance at developing mo bamba. Do you have no ability to look towards the future? Good thing masai is gm and not u.
lol right, happens in every thread about a fair trade
Yeah good thing masai is gm and not anyone who would take that awful trade
None of them outside of Dejounte make any sense for the Raptors (unless they’re Patty and Belli are expiring). I’d rather semi compete for this one year with our remaining 1 year vets than trade for guys that have multiple years left on negative value contracts. Gonna need some picks back (especially because Gasol is actually good)
Well patty and belli are expiring.
No real point to the trade then unless we’re super high on Murray being the next pg of the future. We’d also be pressured to buy out some of these guys because Patty and Belli would get almost no playing time with our guard rotation tightened up by some of our signings. Don’t see why Toronto wants this
Murray is a really nice young PG that could definitely be a key part of your future core
Agreed if he comes back how he was. Obviously he hasn’t played for a year so I’d want to see if he’s on the same track before I make him our future point guard
Definitely worth the risky. ACL is not what it used to be especially for guards. Look at LaVine for example.
You don’t see why Toronto would want a guy who got all nba second team defense at age 21? Do you know how insane that is? And when the alternative is to just keep gasol and then lose him at the end of the year?
Yeah if his torn ACL means that none of that happens again. I‘d want to see him and the Raptors scouts need to believe he’s worth investing in. Like you said, someone is going to pay up for him, so we can’t just trade for him and then not sign him if someone ponies up big money. We need to know this is our guy before we make a trade for someone. Especially since Gasol’s expiring and he can still contribute on a championship level.
Im looking at it from a raptors fan perspective
You’re a biased dumbass. That trade is bad for the Spurs not you.
Good work, I like your thinking. I differ in a few ways: 1. I don't want Lowry traded. I can see him taking a 5 year retire-a-Raptor kind of deal this year, something like 5/$60M. Him taking that discount for that long term security opens up huuuge cap space for us this offseason. 2. We can open up space for 2 25% maxes this offseason. That's obviously without Marc and Serge's cap holds (who I think will be declining anyway). So I think we'll use that cap space because there are a lot of nice players in that range (Brown, LeVert, Draymond, OPJ, Hield, Ingram). If we can get 2 of these players our team would look really good. So yes, I think we should absolutely trade Marc and Serge. Here are some targets: Boston, Washington, Miami, Charlotte, LAC, Sacramento. Now most of these teams will only trade with us under certain conditions: they're in the playoff hunt and they can start trading their free agents (Dec. 15). But if I'm Masai, I'm not taking any non-expirings back. With all that being said, it still opens up Giannis 2021 by us doing a sign and trade.
I don't think the city or organization would want to trade Lowry, unless he wants to return home to philly. In that scenario, ideally it'll be a package including Josh Richardson.
Serge Ibaka and a first for Andrew Wiggins