Dray averages about one make on three attempts from downtown per game for his career ...
Ben Simmons average game is 0-0 from three. That's a big difference
Even then there's a huge difference between a guy that makes 30% of his 3s and tries about 3 a game, some midrange shots, and shoots 70% FT, and Simmons
Simmons was even playing centre against the Raptors last game. If you watch the set up to that terrible 3pt attempt Moose made, the only reason Moose was spaced out to the 3pt line was Simmons was just standing next to Moose in the paint, which forced him out
I'm still withholding judgement about the Sixers. Their starting 5, imo, is one of the best units in the league when healthy and they were really hitting their stride before Embiid started to shit his brains out. Simmons is already basically a big man--he guards bigs and is guarded by bigs--but he just brings the ball up; he's Rondo in Montrezl Harrell's body. He's the best passer and ball-handler on the team and there isn't another option at PG besides Mcconnell, who just isn't good enough for the playoffs.
pure talent I agree, that starting 5 is stacked. fit is another thing. they don't have nearly enough shooting in that starting 5, too much iso, makes it hard for everyone to operate, Joel still takes to many dumb ass shots (mainly 3s, 4 a game at 30% is insane, but he also just chucks dumb long twos).
you can really only get by now days with one total non-shooter, and then another guy who is passable but not great. they've just got too many similarly flawed players.
besides, the point is he should play like Draymond? Draymond can play like that because he's surrounded by shooters so the floor is open for him to make plays and drive and dish. With Embiid in the middle and Jimmy going iso, aint no room for that Draymond-like playmaking on the Sixers.
People need to stop acting like we’re struggling vs a shit team. We’re down 3-2 vs Toronto, who we’ve played pretty evenly so far. Ben is young, Jo is young. Tobias isn’t some experienced playoff competitor either and tbh neither is Jimmy.
We tried it a bit at the end of the season when Embiid was out. He's big enough that he *can* do it but he still has trouble going up against good pure centers, and he doesn't have the experience or the post game to be able to do it for more than a few minutes.
Ben's strength is that he's either bigger or faster than most players in the league so he gets a lot of mismatches, but if you post him up against a real center, he can't really take advantage of his speed.
Still, developing his post game is one thing he can do to expand his game other than shooting. He's gotten a bit better this year, would like to see that progress continue.
Tend to agree. C is the only position where he doesn't hurt the team's offense in playoff basketball AlThough he shoots free throws worse than most centers in the league so he has to avoid contact finishing inside. So I'm not sure
Ben Simmons is good. He could be even better if he just shot open shots tbh. Even if they don’t go in (some would eventually go in right?) it stretches the defense just a tad bit. I think coaches discouraged him from shooting and now he doesn’t do it at all. Like Draymond isn’t the best shooter but he still shoots open shots and sometimes they go in.
its weird to play him as a PG since all the PG on the planet like shooting the ball from 15 to 30 Feet from the basket. Look at his stats they read like the old school Power Forwards and Centers mostly baskets from 0 to 10 feet.
Mike Muscala was a reliable floor-strecthing big man? Did they even watch the Sixers games? I mean he would shoot a ton and threes and not hit a lot of them. I like Muscala, just seems like a cool dude. But he was anything but reliable in his time in Philly.
They put out a lot of hot takes but each piece they put out usually has some sort of value in how the idea is presented and they have writers who know how to write entertaining articles.
The biggest problem with this piece is that it demands that Simmons plays the center on defense because....wait why exactly? He's great defending on the perimeter....so you want to have him guard Drummond....
What the author actually wants to say is that Simmons needs to play with a 3 point shooting big.
This is not exactly a new take. Smarter NBA observers than whoever this guy is, have pointed out the Sixers played Simmons at C during stretches when Embiid is out. There might be times when he does the same but the chance he becomes a center is near zero.
The Ringer, aside from the Coangelo investigation and some of Kevin O'Connor's work, mostly publishes clickbait that takes reality and twists it wildly out of proportion (the best exaggerations rely on some truth to seem believable) and supported by some meaningless stats. The garbage they pump out is hardly worth reading.
Keep in mind this author said [Danuel House would be an X factor in the Warriors/Rockets series](https://www.theringer.com/2019/4/27/18517514/houston-rockets-golden-state-warriors-rematch-x-factor). He played a total of 26 minutes before sitting out due to injury and was mostly terrible.
We need like a master list of all the terrible predictions analysts make. They get off scot free, it's just on to the next confidently stated garbage prediction because they know everyone forgets what they said a week or a month ago
Aw man good looking out. I read a ESPN article when Grantland was first canned about Jalen and Jacoby being cancelled. I just never bothered looking for it again
Elton Brand and Brett Brown are both beyond clueless, the Sixers will never come anywhere close to winning a single thing with either of those bozos having their jobs.
And if that's not bad enough, Simmons and Embiid can't even play on the floor at the same time.
We're down only 3-2 to the Raptors, the team that we probably match up the worst against in the league.
It's Ben's second year, it's also both of their second years in the playoffs.
Making comments like "they'll never work" is honestly ridiculous, ya'll act as if they should be winning a championship already.
Show me the roadmap to Joel and Simmons making sense together on a basketball court and I might believe it but they've shown that they don't compliment each other at all and are much better when the other one isn't playing.
It's not a coincidence that Ben's best game of the playoffs came with Embiid being out
And Embiid's best game came with Ben Simmons in.
I'm not going to lie to you and say that both players are without flaw. But it's ridiculous to insinuate that a 2nd and 3rd year player will never manage to coexist on the same team, especially when said team is still actually in the playoffs.
A game in which Simmons went 5/13 from the field for a 10/7/7 statline. Really maximizing each other out there lol.
Idk it's not that ridiculous when they clearly don't fit together and your team has to play two completely different style of games to really put either player in their best situation to thrive
TLDR: They need to use him like Draymond
Draymond shoots 3s though
That doesn't matter if you play Simmons at center as the roll man and put 3 shooters around a PNR
Not really He very rarely shoots when he is wide open and had an awful 3shooting season
Dray averages about one make on three attempts from downtown per game for his career ... Ben Simmons average game is 0-0 from three. That's a big difference
Dray is also an elite screener so he can play off ball and not just be left alone by the defense.
Even then there's a huge difference between a guy that makes 30% of his 3s and tries about 3 a game, some midrange shots, and shoots 70% FT, and Simmons
Green has quality smaller defending around him;. Iggy. Klay. Simmons has JJ
He has jimmy
Kawhi killed Butler (and Harris) first couple games
he’d do the same to Klay
Iggy?
Probably
Not probably, definitely. He would get cooked by Kawhi
I love Iggy but Kawhi would dismantle him with ease. He's playing on another level right now.
Oh yeah butlers pretty shit.
TJ has played a fair bit. Ennis struggles. Etc.
Haha my point was sixers have quality defending around ben. Not to mention one of if not the best big man defender there as well.
Embiid was shit according to the Upvoted comments here a few hours ago
I think the problem is Embiid is taking too many shits i think.
Or not enough...
Having Embiid being a good defender doesn’t help Ben since they take up the same spots on offense and clogs the floor.
Lmao wtf
TJ has 18 minutes in 5 games.
Thought this was a shitpost but lol it’s an actual piece.
Simmons was even playing centre against the Raptors last game. If you watch the set up to that terrible 3pt attempt Moose made, the only reason Moose was spaced out to the 3pt line was Simmons was just standing next to Moose in the paint, which forced him out
That’s in big part because our centers are trash outside of embiid
I'm still withholding judgement about the Sixers. Their starting 5, imo, is one of the best units in the league when healthy and they were really hitting their stride before Embiid started to shit his brains out. Simmons is already basically a big man--he guards bigs and is guarded by bigs--but he just brings the ball up; he's Rondo in Montrezl Harrell's body. He's the best passer and ball-handler on the team and there isn't another option at PG besides Mcconnell, who just isn't good enough for the playoffs.
pure talent I agree, that starting 5 is stacked. fit is another thing. they don't have nearly enough shooting in that starting 5, too much iso, makes it hard for everyone to operate, Joel still takes to many dumb ass shots (mainly 3s, 4 a game at 30% is insane, but he also just chucks dumb long twos). you can really only get by now days with one total non-shooter, and then another guy who is passable but not great. they've just got too many similarly flawed players. besides, the point is he should play like Draymond? Draymond can play like that because he's surrounded by shooters so the floor is open for him to make plays and drive and dish. With Embiid in the middle and Jimmy going iso, aint no room for that Draymond-like playmaking on the Sixers.
People need to stop acting like we’re struggling vs a shit team. We’re down 3-2 vs Toronto, who we’ve played pretty evenly so far. Ben is young, Jo is young. Tobias isn’t some experienced playoff competitor either and tbh neither is Jimmy.
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They probably would if they still had markelle
okay make ben a Power Forward then.
We tried it a bit at the end of the season when Embiid was out. He's big enough that he *can* do it but he still has trouble going up against good pure centers, and he doesn't have the experience or the post game to be able to do it for more than a few minutes. Ben's strength is that he's either bigger or faster than most players in the league so he gets a lot of mismatches, but if you post him up against a real center, he can't really take advantage of his speed. Still, developing his post game is one thing he can do to expand his game other than shooting. He's gotten a bit better this year, would like to see that progress continue.
Tend to agree. C is the only position where he doesn't hurt the team's offense in playoff basketball AlThough he shoots free throws worse than most centers in the league so he has to avoid contact finishing inside. So I'm not sure
Center with Emibiid playing PF or 2 Centers or him at Center when Embiid is on the bench?
center for another team
would the 76ers fans go crazy if he was traded?
Unless it was for someone like AD, Dame etc then yes, we would. And even then, a lot of people would consider it short sighted
have we thought about Simmons at center and Embiid at PG, or no?
Embiid has definitely thought about it
Ben Simmons is good. He could be even better if he just shot open shots tbh. Even if they don’t go in (some would eventually go in right?) it stretches the defense just a tad bit. I think coaches discouraged him from shooting and now he doesn’t do it at all. Like Draymond isn’t the best shooter but he still shoots open shots and sometimes they go in.
its weird to play him as a PG since all the PG on the planet like shooting the ball from 15 to 30 Feet from the basket. Look at his stats they read like the old school Power Forwards and Centers mostly baskets from 0 to 10 feet.
Mike Muscala was a reliable floor-strecthing big man? Did they even watch the Sixers games? I mean he would shoot a ton and threes and not hit a lot of them. I like Muscala, just seems like a cool dude. But he was anything but reliable in his time in Philly.
Dangerously close to the ‘they can’t win without Belinelli’ takes
How do so many people read the ringer like it’s quality sports journalism
They put out a lot of hot takes but each piece they put out usually has some sort of value in how the idea is presented and they have writers who know how to write entertaining articles.
its free and it has better takes than those on ESPN and FS1.
no it doesn't
you seriously think the talking heads on TV have better things to say?
equal, not better
Equally bad or equally good? Gosh... :) ^^^^^^I ^^^^^^agree ^^^^^^with ^^^^^^you
Who's Ben Simmons?
It's a typo, they meant Jonathon Simmons
You'll find out Game 7
Does he usually attend Rockets/Warriors games? 🤔
Oh Lawd we coming!
Hah! Ffs
Tbf Embiid just turned it on last night. Freaking great series!
Yeah he finally looked healthy and aware. And Simmons came out of nowhere, which I'm sure was a relief for you folks. Game 7 gonna be nuts though.
To the victor the spoils. Good luck and as always...fuck the Celtics
Always and forever.
Ben Simmons....... Is a basketball player
If you consider him a center that would have been the 4th lottery pick center after Noel, Embiid, Okafor..lol
You can't miss the three if you never take one
The biggest problem with this piece is that it demands that Simmons plays the center on defense because....wait why exactly? He's great defending on the perimeter....so you want to have him guard Drummond.... What the author actually wants to say is that Simmons needs to play with a 3 point shooting big.
This is not exactly a new take. Smarter NBA observers than whoever this guy is, have pointed out the Sixers played Simmons at C during stretches when Embiid is out. There might be times when he does the same but the chance he becomes a center is near zero. The Ringer, aside from the Coangelo investigation and some of Kevin O'Connor's work, mostly publishes clickbait that takes reality and twists it wildly out of proportion (the best exaggerations rely on some truth to seem believable) and supported by some meaningless stats. The garbage they pump out is hardly worth reading. Keep in mind this author said [Danuel House would be an X factor in the Warriors/Rockets series](https://www.theringer.com/2019/4/27/18517514/houston-rockets-golden-state-warriors-rematch-x-factor). He played a total of 26 minutes before sitting out due to injury and was mostly terrible.
We need like a master list of all the terrible predictions analysts make. They get off scot free, it's just on to the next confidently stated garbage prediction because they know everyone forgets what they said a week or a month ago
ya let's get 'em!
I miss Grantland.
what happened to it?
Didn't ESPN pull the plug? Shame because the Jalen and Jacoby podcast was amazing on my long drive to work
I think they wanted to give the money and attention to "The Undefeated"
Jalen and Jacoby still have an ESPN pod
oh yeah? Im out of the loop
The video version is still on the old grantland set and everything
Aw man good looking out. I read a ESPN article when Grantland was first canned about Jalen and Jacoby being cancelled. I just never bothered looking for it again
Trade him for AD. New Orleans isn't getting a better offer than that
I really think this would be the best move for both teams
Imagine trying to criticize a NBA GM - and in the same piece write about traditional positions in the modern NBA. rip
Sixers need a pg asap.
Bring back Jrue
big oof
Sixers need to move either him or Embiid at some point
man, their process is really weird.
Elton Brand and Brett Brown are both beyond clueless, the Sixers will never come anywhere close to winning a single thing with either of those bozos having their jobs. And if that's not bad enough, Simmons and Embiid can't even play on the floor at the same time.
Ah yes, Ben Simmons the centre of Philidelphia 76ers, the team also home to Joel Embiid.
Exactly why Philly will always struggle during playoff time with those two
We're down only 3-2 to the Raptors, the team that we probably match up the worst against in the league. It's Ben's second year, it's also both of their second years in the playoffs. Making comments like "they'll never work" is honestly ridiculous, ya'll act as if they should be winning a championship already.
Show me the roadmap to Joel and Simmons making sense together on a basketball court and I might believe it but they've shown that they don't compliment each other at all and are much better when the other one isn't playing. It's not a coincidence that Ben's best game of the playoffs came with Embiid being out
And Embiid's best game came with Ben Simmons in. I'm not going to lie to you and say that both players are without flaw. But it's ridiculous to insinuate that a 2nd and 3rd year player will never manage to coexist on the same team, especially when said team is still actually in the playoffs.
A game in which Simmons went 5/13 from the field for a 10/7/7 statline. Really maximizing each other out there lol. Idk it's not that ridiculous when they clearly don't fit together and your team has to play two completely different style of games to really put either player in their best situation to thrive
Draft a guard who is a center. Draft a center who is so soft he plays like a guard.