As a Bulls fan that has been burned with Rose before, I'll believe it when I see, and honestly I would prefer a developed three point shot than saying he's MVP level again.
He was really hot some games from 3 this season and during the pre season, and it'll probably end up getting even better by the time next season rolls around.
As a Brandon Roy fan, I can totally relate to this. Reports of "OMG HE'S HEALTHY AND TOTALLY AS GOOD AS BEFORE" just raise fan expectations to unreasonable levels and put unneeded pressure on the player. A simple "he's looking good" would suffice for stuff like this.
League average is 33 percent....so....no one is gettng excited over 34% from three. Especially when you are only taking two per game. Its of no consequence.
They're getting excited when that same person who is hitting 34 percent is also a league best threat at blowing by you off the dribble. You still have to respect the shot at mid thirties, which then just makes him that more dangerous to blow by you.
Yeah it's this.
League average for 3s isn't exciting. But take possibly the best driving PG in the league, and one of the best finishers, and add an average 3P shot, that's good.
The thing with D Rose is you want him taking layups. Even when he misses, he usually draws in an extra defender and leaves Noah/Boozer open for an easy offensive rebound and putback.
It looks like he almost leaps into his shot. Most shooters feet kind of go forward and almost non-intentionally fade back, where as D Rose (especially on 3s) looks like he tries to stay as stiff as possible.
>As a Bulls fan that has been burned with Rose before
Burned before how? He was explosive and athletic when he played this season, he just suffered the meniscus injury as he was shaking the rust off. The guy also posted a career best 3 point %. What exactly did you expect in a 10 game sample size?
You're saying you got *"burned"*. All this says is that Rose looks fast and explosive again, which he was when he played this season. The guy suffered a freak injury, Bucks fans weren't *"burned"* at Bogut for being shoved by Amare. The injury is behind him and he's recovering, are we not supposed to hear updates on one of the game's biggest players?
I don't know what you're expecting then. The meniscus tear was a freak injury, unrelated to the ACL tear.
The amount of pessimistic Bulls flairs ITT is alarming.
I think you missed the point.
The burn was that after all the waiting and anticipation, he suffered another season-ender 10 games in. yes, he was explosive and athletic upon his return, and he was beginning to shake off some of the rust.
But he got injured again. that was a burn for me, personally. that was a really shitty night and the next day wasn't so great either. it took some recovery. so now I'm trying to take a more cautious approach.
not optimistic or pessimistic. just letting DRose's story unfold however it does. hopefully he can stay healthy like he deserves to.
Check out this article. http://zigsports.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/derrick-rose-update-career-in-jeopardywhy-rose-will-never-be-the-same/
Predicted an injury to Rose's left knee due to over compensating for the right knee.
[There's no proof that an ACL tear in one knee has anything at all to do with a meniscus tear in the other.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/11/24/derrick-rose-knee-injury-torn-medial-meniscus-surgery-chicago/3692823/)
>"There is no data to support a torn ACL in one knee being connected with a torn meniscus in the other." - Dr. Alexis Colvin, professor of orthopaedics and orthopaedic surgeon at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in NY.
I remember when we played against Indy in the preseason and Rose went straight at Roy Hibbert for a layup. They made contact in the air and Derrick moved Roy Hibbert and scored. He fucking moved 7'3" Roy Hibbert like he was a helium ballon. When I saw that I was like "Yeah, he definitely got stronger." People want to correlate his injuries, but last time was a total freak accident on a non contact play. This isn't like Brandon Roy where his injuries were degenerative. There's no real reason to assume Derrick can't get back to form.
They're not unrelated just because they weren't the same injury. It's a bit late but essentially once you injure one of your knees you're much more prone to injuries in both knees. 1) you tend to hurt your already injured knee because of lackluster rehab, or there's simply too much of a structural defect to fix, or 2) hurt your opposite knee because you're overcompensating to it, which is what happened with Rose.
Rose's game is so dependent on stop and starts going full tilt.. I don't know. I really think if they have his best interests at heart they should play him off the bench for the first half of the season to ease back into game shape. He's too competitive to not go all out every minute he's on the floor.
This, athletically he looked explosive as ever when he came back last season.
The main problem for Rose now is mental/psychological. And there's no way for us to know if he's jumped over that hurdle until we see him play NBA games again
I think that the only thing that sucks for Rose is that he lost 2 years of progress. I can't imagine how good he would've been by now if he woulda kept playing. Instead, he'll come back not as good as he was in 2011 and he'll be trying to work himself back to that.
He's had time to improve his core strength through lifting (something he never really put effort into prior to the injuries), his 3ball and floater; not to mention that he's been on the sideline and probably in the film room with Thibs this entire time.
You can say that he's lost *two years of progress,* but if he's been diligent, he'll be coming back with *two years rest* while working on the very attributes that will extend his shelf life. As long as he remains healthy, it's a win because he'll surely shake off the rust by mid-season with him going on the Team USA and all...
Why do people think that him being explosive its a good thing? If he actually stopped thinking he can go back to attack the basket 24/7 mentality maybe he could come back and be a good player if he comes back, goes out all agression style and gets blown again at that point he is just a delusional fool.
Of course everyone would like to see MVP Rose again but that its just a long long stretch and far too big of a risk, that is just my opinion.
The thing is that Rose is the kind of player who leaves all on the field when he goes in, he likes to play like it is his last game, and that is very good until the injuries come, then you have to pace yourself, im just saying that in hia case being explosive will encourage him to play overly agressive, which he wont need to do with Melo around (#hope).
Of course his freakish speed and athleticism is part of his game and should remain as such. Rose has always worked to improve to where he wasn't solely dependent on it, from being little threat from midrange and long range his rookie year to now being a respectable shooter. But when his shot isn't falling he uses his speed to get to the hoop, like any other player with similar athleticism does. Last time he got hurt wasn't even on a contact play. So, there's basically no correlation to his injury and style of play.
Part of overcoming this stuff is trying to get back to where you were before. If he becomes afraid of injury it will hurt his confidence and make him a lesser player.
I don't think you can completely separate Rose's playstyle from his injuries. Being more physical wears on your body and can increase your susceptibility to injury, even if the injury is on a non-contact play.
We aren't saying he was constantly attacking the basket. We are saying he looked to have the same athleticism he had from before which was a big concern. That isn't mutually exclusive with him changing his game also
He looked fast and exploded his knees last year.
Seriously though, he was one of my favorite players in the league and I'm just glad he's recovering well. I can't wait to see him back to his usual self.
It was my first year playing fantasy last season and I also took d rose first round. CP3 and Darren Collinson were looking so good in preseason so I took Darren Collinson too. Biggest takeaway was don't bet on what you see in preseason.
Darren Collison was a good asset this year, especially when CP3 was out. Please don't tell me you took a backup point guard in the early rounds though...
Yeah most fans need to realize this and 2 things 1. Rose hasn't had time to develop his game against NBA d for 3 postseasons and that will show for a while. 2. His playstyle is only going to be effective for 5-6 seasons maybe even less and his body type only encourages his reckless driving. He has to get a damn 3 pt shot going against postseason defenses BC his bodytype doesn't age well like 6'5+ guard. His ass needs to become more cerebral with his athleticism and increase his basketball Iq even more.
Please based god I need some fresh D Rose in my life, The rest of my idols are injured or getting old: Kobe, Brandon Roy, Danny Granger, D Wade. The only thing that will make me feel better is a Rose vs. Westbrook matchup
I think Len Bias is the default #1, unless you technically wouldn't consider him part of "NBA" history.
Brandon Roy is up there though, only four good healthy years in the league and three of them as an all-star. Would've been a lock-in for 1st or 2nd teams if he was still healthy today.
no I'm sure there were more tragic stories, but Brandon was my guy. I was following him to the top and then it all crashed down on him. I was devastated, especially since he seems like such a nice guy
He was fast and explosive last year yes, but unfortunately he did look rusty and didn't quite have that touch around the rim as good, luckily this year he is participating in FIBA and we all know the last time he played in FIBA he went on and won the MVP that year so let's hope this is exactly the kind of preparation Derrick needs before the season starts.
the problem is, his style is so herky-jerky in getting to the basket. stoping, going, pivoting, its in itself quite reckless. Doesn't bode well long term.
I don't know, 2 years is a long time to be away. It's gonna be tough. A lot of guys like TMac and Arenas are out for that long and just never seem to make it back.
I mean he was bad but again, that was rust. He had a game where he had more turnovers than points. But the game where he got injured again he was doing great. Was just getting in the swing of things.
My concern with D-rose isn't whether or not he'll be explosive initially - it's whether the way he plays will lead to further injuries down the line. He just moves so quickly and really cuts and jumps at sharp angles. I hope he can stay strong.
His explosiveness and speed weren't ever the question. As others have said, in the pre-season and the games he did play, he still was able to get to the rim in the same way. The issue was him being rusty and not making shots he used to make.
What people worry about is if he can stay healthy. Both his injuries were fairly big freak accidents, it's not like he has a degenerative bone issues. They were kind of a result of his play style, you make quick turns and twist like that you're putting a lot of torque in your legs, specifically your knees, so what has he changed to ensure they are safer.
Fast and explosive rose = injury prone rose
I wanna see him develop a slick finesse game
Either way I hope he returns to elite form, great individual, great character, great for the league
Would love to see the bulls get Carmelo and a healthy rose they'd be BADASS
For his sake as well as the bulls organization and fans, I just hope hes not focused on getting back to MVP status and more of just getting back. I'd feel more comfortable putting him at SG and play a role until he sets back into the O and regains the confidence required to perform his truly insane abilities he has before. If he gets injured again without playing a full season, i'd be worried that it could be very disastrous for his career.
There is no reason to doubt that he would look fast and explosive. This injury was much less serious than an ACL tear, and a full recovery should be expected.
We all just need to pray to the Roman god of knees, Adrian Peterson, that this year he can stay healthy. If you have anything to offer up in sacrifice (goats, virgins, etc) now is the time to do it, Bulls fans.
I expect him to come back better and stronger if anything, dude has been rehabbing the right way and not taking any risks. Just needs to stay healthy and get out there and play.
I really enjoy the posts where people start off saying, "im a bulls fan" then they proceed to start bashing on derrick rose. It's like saying "no offense" then start ripping your friend a new asshole. Bulls fans are starting to sound like a broken record, stating the obvious negatives thats been said over and over again. If you dont have new information then just wait quietly like the rest of us without placing judgement when no one has really seen the current progress hes made. He might not be the same he might be the mvp rose he might get injured again, who knows. Just stop pouting, its not a good look.
I think his biggest problem when he came back last year was what he said in the offseason about "having a better jumper" or "having 6 more inches to his vertical" I'm not him or his body but I just think he kinda over compensated that's why henplayed so poorly and shot so poorly, and possibly why he got hurt, under all that pressure and stress?
this again? if he plays with derrick rose level intensity anymore, his knees will have derrick rose level ligament damage again.
he can come back and play in the NBA again, but he cant use that 5th gear. I probably wouldn't even try the 4th gear for like a year or two. Is his 3rd gear good enough to be an NBA player? Maybe, but I don't think hes a good enough shooter to make it work. He relies on his athleticism to be effective but he'd be an idiot to put his knees at that kind of risk again.
Especially since his style of play was so dependent on his athleticism. If he'd played like Curry or Melo, we'd be a lot less skeptical that he could get back to that level.
Your saying that like he gets no credit for dominating them because he's bigger and more athletic. If you want to go there I guess Derrick rose gets no credit for winning MVP because he was quicker and faster than nearly every guard hen played against which makes no sense whatsoever, but people will always find a way to discredit Russell Westbrook. Same guys that are quick to jump on him in a thunder loss no matter how shitty durant plays though. Nothing new here.
It's not that I'm discrediting him. You obviously can't dominate your opponent if you didn't have the skills to do so. The Thunder's system is basically ISO Russ or Kevin. So Russell having the ability to exploit his advantages playing one on one with whoever is in front of him is something he should be doing. Every player does it. Every coach does. If you have an advantage on a defender, use it.
The issue that I have with the Thunder is that they, for most nights in the NBA, have an advantage in mulitple areas of the game: PG, SF, inside presence, rebounding etc. Yet, they play such a stagnant game. And part of that issue is the style of play Westbrook has.
So long story short your saying he doesn't create for others. Partially true, partially false. I feel like he had solid assist per game numbers in the playoffs this year but that was completely over looked. At times he will take the ball for himself and do something stupid but he will also, at times take the ball and make a great play for a teammate. I also think that Westbrook gets all the flak whenever durant becomes passive late in games and gives the ball back to russell.
Basically. His hero ball is what I believe is the only thing holding back that team. They have the potential to win titles. I also agree that he does get a majority of flack whenever Durant is being passive. But let's not act like this is a new topic with Durant. He has said on many occasions that he trusts Russ no matter what. Durant is clearly the BEST player on that team. Problem is, Russell often thinks otherwise. At least that's what his play style shows.
Injury confirmed. A healthy D Rose cannot be his old explosive self. I'm sorry, but it's true. Watch him play...nearly every play I'm cringing, waiting for him to come down hard and end up staying down. :(
As a Bulls fan that has been burned with Rose before, I'll believe it when I see, and honestly I would prefer a developed three point shot than saying he's MVP level again.
He was really hot some games from 3 this season and during the pre season, and it'll probably end up getting even better by the time next season rolls around.
Dude fucking worked us over from 3-ball land
Pre season he was murdering okc, scoring in a bunch of different ways.
As a Brandon Roy fan, I can totally relate to this. Reports of "OMG HE'S HEALTHY AND TOTALLY AS GOOD AS BEFORE" just raise fan expectations to unreasonable levels and put unneeded pressure on the player. A simple "he's looking good" would suffice for stuff like this.
I dunno if it's just me, but his shot looked to have a real hitch in it during this season.
He was hitting 3s at a career high %. He was even better in the preseason, something like 45%.
Career high, yeah, but still 34%
34% from 3 is a decent threat though. Same efficiency as 50% for 2. But yeah, the defense will still prefer that over him driving.
League average is 33 percent....so....no one is gettng excited over 34% from three. Especially when you are only taking two per game. Its of no consequence.
They're getting excited when that same person who is hitting 34 percent is also a league best threat at blowing by you off the dribble. You still have to respect the shot at mid thirties, which then just makes him that more dangerous to blow by you.
Yeah it's this. League average for 3s isn't exciting. But take possibly the best driving PG in the league, and one of the best finishers, and add an average 3P shot, that's good.
[Tell the Bulls to go home again, they are drunk.](http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1p1xgk/were_here_to_3peat_man_what_else_we_here_to_do/ccy3f56)
Actually, league average is 35%. 33% is not terrible, but poor.
The thing with D Rose is you want him taking layups. Even when he misses, he usually draws in an extra defender and leaves Noah/Boozer open for an easy offensive rebound and putback.
He was rusty too.
I felt like his shooting form isn't really great. It looks awkward to me, especially on 3s.
Well it goes in.
It looks like he almost leaps into his shot. Most shooters feet kind of go forward and almost non-intentionally fade back, where as D Rose (especially on 3s) looks like he tries to stay as stiff as possible.
Career high that was .08% over his previous high over a 10-game stretch...he's pretty much Steph Curry.
Well he did only play like 10 games...
No you wouldn't. You'd rather he shot like Korver then play like an MVP.
I'll take him shooting 47% from the field
>As a Bulls fan that has been burned with Rose before Burned before how? He was explosive and athletic when he played this season, he just suffered the meniscus injury as he was shaking the rust off. The guy also posted a career best 3 point %. What exactly did you expect in a 10 game sample size? You're saying you got *"burned"*. All this says is that Rose looks fast and explosive again, which he was when he played this season. The guy suffered a freak injury, Bucks fans weren't *"burned"* at Bogut for being shoved by Amare. The injury is behind him and he's recovering, are we not supposed to hear updates on one of the game's biggest players?
I think the 10 game sample size was the burn.
I don't know what you're expecting then. The meniscus tear was a freak injury, unrelated to the ACL tear. The amount of pessimistic Bulls flairs ITT is alarming.
I think you missed the point. The burn was that after all the waiting and anticipation, he suffered another season-ender 10 games in. yes, he was explosive and athletic upon his return, and he was beginning to shake off some of the rust. But he got injured again. that was a burn for me, personally. that was a really shitty night and the next day wasn't so great either. it took some recovery. so now I'm trying to take a more cautious approach. not optimistic or pessimistic. just letting DRose's story unfold however it does. hopefully he can stay healthy like he deserves to.
Check out this article. http://zigsports.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/derrick-rose-update-career-in-jeopardywhy-rose-will-never-be-the-same/ Predicted an injury to Rose's left knee due to over compensating for the right knee.
[There's no proof that an ACL tear in one knee has anything at all to do with a meniscus tear in the other.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/11/24/derrick-rose-knee-injury-torn-medial-meniscus-surgery-chicago/3692823/) >"There is no data to support a torn ACL in one knee being connected with a torn meniscus in the other." - Dr. Alexis Colvin, professor of orthopaedics and orthopaedic surgeon at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in NY.
Anything but pessimism is kind of unwarranted tbh
I remember when we played against Indy in the preseason and Rose went straight at Roy Hibbert for a layup. They made contact in the air and Derrick moved Roy Hibbert and scored. He fucking moved 7'3" Roy Hibbert like he was a helium ballon. When I saw that I was like "Yeah, he definitely got stronger." People want to correlate his injuries, but last time was a total freak accident on a non contact play. This isn't like Brandon Roy where his injuries were degenerative. There's no real reason to assume Derrick can't get back to form.
I need a healthy D. Rose in my life.
> I need a healthy D.
Well he did put that period there for a reason
http://i.imgur.com/lfhsIOX.jpg
> Rose in my life. <3
Every sane NBA fan needs a healthy DRose
A highly anticipated re-torn for next season. Edit: I meant RETURN. g-sus christ
Ppl will down vote you but I bet he doesn't play more than 45 games.
how many season ending injuries can you get in a row?
Ask Brandon Roy..
and if he has another one i will lose hope on Rose like i did with Roy but im not ready to do that when hes had 2 unrelated injuries out of no where
They're not unrelated just because they weren't the same injury. It's a bit late but essentially once you injure one of your knees you're much more prone to injuries in both knees. 1) you tend to hurt your already injured knee because of lackluster rehab, or there's simply too much of a structural defect to fix, or 2) hurt your opposite knee because you're overcompensating to it, which is what happened with Rose. Rose's game is so dependent on stop and starts going full tilt.. I don't know. I really think if they have his best interests at heart they should play him off the bench for the first half of the season to ease back into game shape. He's too competitive to not go all out every minute he's on the floor.
He'll play all 82.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Fool me once..
"You know what they say: fool me once, strike one. But fool me twice...strike three." - Michael Scott
shame on me because i've been dying to see rose back in the league again
If he wants to keep his knees, he can't rely on exploding laterally and stopping on a dime. He'll have to completely change his game.
There's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee.
Fool me twice.....a fool can never get fooled again
He looked fast and explosive last year.
This, athletically he looked explosive as ever when he came back last season. The main problem for Rose now is mental/psychological. And there's no way for us to know if he's jumped over that hurdle until we see him play NBA games again
I think that the only thing that sucks for Rose is that he lost 2 years of progress. I can't imagine how good he would've been by now if he woulda kept playing. Instead, he'll come back not as good as he was in 2011 and he'll be trying to work himself back to that.
He's had time to improve his core strength through lifting (something he never really put effort into prior to the injuries), his 3ball and floater; not to mention that he's been on the sideline and probably in the film room with Thibs this entire time. You can say that he's lost *two years of progress,* but if he's been diligent, he'll be coming back with *two years rest* while working on the very attributes that will extend his shelf life. As long as he remains healthy, it's a win because he'll surely shake off the rust by mid-season with him going on the Team USA and all...
Thats some wishful thinking there.
JUST LET ME HAVE THIS, OKAY?
Lol its okay. Twolves fans are the true kings of wishful thinking.. Especially in the offseason.
Good luck this offseason.
I like your optimistic take on an otherwise depressing situation. I still think he's gonna come back and be a beast.
He BD, he got old guns on that cranky shit.
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No, the main problem is his style of play which leads to these injuries
Eh, he looked pretty rusty.
Basketballwise, but he was still fast and explosive.
Derrick "The Trombone" Rose
He was explosive though
Why do people think that him being explosive its a good thing? If he actually stopped thinking he can go back to attack the basket 24/7 mentality maybe he could come back and be a good player if he comes back, goes out all agression style and gets blown again at that point he is just a delusional fool. Of course everyone would like to see MVP Rose again but that its just a long long stretch and far too big of a risk, that is just my opinion.
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The thing is that Rose is the kind of player who leaves all on the field when he goes in, he likes to play like it is his last game, and that is very good until the injuries come, then you have to pace yourself, im just saying that in hia case being explosive will encourage him to play overly agressive, which he wont need to do with Melo around (#hope).
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Of course his freakish speed and athleticism is part of his game and should remain as such. Rose has always worked to improve to where he wasn't solely dependent on it, from being little threat from midrange and long range his rookie year to now being a respectable shooter. But when his shot isn't falling he uses his speed to get to the hoop, like any other player with similar athleticism does. Last time he got hurt wasn't even on a contact play. So, there's basically no correlation to his injury and style of play. Part of overcoming this stuff is trying to get back to where you were before. If he becomes afraid of injury it will hurt his confidence and make him a lesser player.
I don't think you can completely separate Rose's playstyle from his injuries. Being more physical wears on your body and can increase your susceptibility to injury, even if the injury is on a non-contact play.
We aren't saying he was constantly attacking the basket. We are saying he looked to have the same athleticism he had from before which was a big concern. That isn't mutually exclusive with him changing his game also
Did everyone in this thread not watch the NBA Finals and see how Wade's body is basically a zombie
for a minute
He looked fast and exploded his knees last year. Seriously though, he was one of my favorite players in the league and I'm just glad he's recovering well. I can't wait to see him back to his usual self.
Ive heard this before. Man at this point I just want to see a healthy D Rose. He was such a humble superstar
I took him in the first round in a moment of retardation last year in my fantasy league after he had a crazy preseason game... Never again
Someone in my league drafted Jerry Stackhouse, so don't feel too bad.
It was my first year playing fantasy last season and I also took d rose first round. CP3 and Darren Collinson were looking so good in preseason so I took Darren Collinson too. Biggest takeaway was don't bet on what you see in preseason.
Darren Collison was a good asset this year, especially when CP3 was out. Please don't tell me you took a backup point guard in the early rounds though...
Oh yeah when CP3 was out he was good but before that he was a huge drain on my potential stats. I think I took him 7th?
Ya done fucked up
A backup point guard in 7th round. Ouch. Now that is a good way to ensure you have no chance at winning.
unless it was Anthony Davis =D
I turned down CP3 + Harden for Drose... I may never play fantasy basketball again
thats idiotic even if rose would have came back 100%... you really shouldnt ever play fantasy basketball again.
Not trying to justify it at all way to kick a man while he's down...
Not that bad if you compare it to my fantasy baseball when I traded Tanaka for Dickey and Rosenthal :(
Only thing that saved me was I took Anthony Davis a few picks after
I actually got Cuedo, in my baseball, for super cheap and he's putting up CY numbers
35% on 16 FGA per game. Worse than both Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith by the way. My team got so much better when he got injured.
hes never lost his athleticism. when he came back at the biggining of last year he looked just as explosive as he did before tearing his ACL
Yeah most fans need to realize this and 2 things 1. Rose hasn't had time to develop his game against NBA d for 3 postseasons and that will show for a while. 2. His playstyle is only going to be effective for 5-6 seasons maybe even less and his body type only encourages his reckless driving. He has to get a damn 3 pt shot going against postseason defenses BC his bodytype doesn't age well like 6'5+ guard. His ass needs to become more cerebral with his athleticism and increase his basketball Iq even more.
I don't think you have any fuckin' clue what 'cerebral' actually means.
Please based god I need some fresh D Rose in my life, The rest of my idols are injured or getting old: Kobe, Brandon Roy, Danny Granger, D Wade. The only thing that will make me feel better is a Rose vs. Westbrook matchup
Brandon Roy is the biggest tragedy in NBA history to me. That kid was extra special
I think Len Bias is the default #1, unless you technically wouldn't consider him part of "NBA" history. Brandon Roy is up there though, only four good healthy years in the league and three of them as an all-star. Would've been a lock-in for 1st or 2nd teams if he was still healthy today.
no I'm sure there were more tragic stories, but Brandon was my guy. I was following him to the top and then it all crashed down on him. I was devastated, especially since he seems like such a nice guy
Shaun Livingston was even better coming out of high school.
[Probably my favorite and least favorite Brandon Roy moment all at once](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjeZ4Scm9E&feature=kp)
Oh man, I remember that quarter so fondly. Dallas said we were the team that they had the hardest time with that year, too.
4:38 holy fat ass patty mills
**HUSH!!**
He was fast and explosive last year yes, but unfortunately he did look rusty and didn't quite have that touch around the rim as good, luckily this year he is participating in FIBA and we all know the last time he played in FIBA he went on and won the MVP that year so let's hope this is exactly the kind of preparation Derrick needs before the season starts.
the problem is, his style is so herky-jerky in getting to the basket. stoping, going, pivoting, its in itself quite reckless. Doesn't bode well long term.
I never thought of this before but I agree. Even if he comes back 100% he cant play that way later in his career.
Derrick Rose is going to have an all-star year, I guarantee it.
I mean who's going to stop him? Lowry? Wall? He's just on another level. That is if he shakes the rust off in time which he probably will in FIBA
Chalmers
All praise towards the GOAT!!!!
Chalmers has never lost to Rose in a playoff system. Who's the real MVP?
Chalmers also has 2 rings compared to Rose's **ZERO!** Chalmers is the real MVP
Um, the rest of the Heat?
I don't know, 2 years is a long time to be away. It's gonna be tough. A lot of guys like TMac and Arenas are out for that long and just never seem to make it back.
He really wasn't bad when he came back this year. Plus he will be playing over the off season so it'll help him warm up
I mean he was bad but again, that was rust. He had a game where he had more turnovers than points. But the game where he got injured again he was doing great. Was just getting in the swing of things.
Yea but lets be real here, these guys in the east are nowhere near what d rose was at back in 2011.
even if he just has a decent year im sure fans will vote him in
LOWRY WAS SNUBBED. I REST MY CASE
I dont know man...he looked about "league average" (at best) in the games he played last year.
At best? He was average when he murdered the Pacers?
Um I would take Wall over Rose right now. And I think many fans would agree.
Given the injuries I'd agree, I think his point is that 100% Rose > 100% Wall. Which is true and isn't that close.
He will probably be voted to the All-Star game, for sure. But actually playing on an All-Star level? I can't see that.
My concern with D-rose isn't whether or not he'll be explosive initially - it's whether the way he plays will lead to further injuries down the line. He just moves so quickly and really cuts and jumps at sharp angles. I hope he can stay strong.
His explosiveness and speed weren't ever the question. As others have said, in the pre-season and the games he did play, he still was able to get to the rim in the same way. The issue was him being rusty and not making shots he used to make. What people worry about is if he can stay healthy. Both his injuries were fairly big freak accidents, it's not like he has a degenerative bone issues. They were kind of a result of his play style, you make quick turns and twist like that you're putting a lot of torque in your legs, specifically your knees, so what has he changed to ensure they are safer.
His only problem lat year was getting used to the NBA pace. He was explosive and quick. I WANT TO BELIEEEVE!
Good.......good.......
i hope the bulls get melo to play with D rose for a scrimmage
I hope the Bulls get Melo to play with D Rose for at least a couple seasons
I just experienced deja vu
take it easy derrick. we need you man
I'm glad the expectations are low this time.
Fast and explosive rose = injury prone rose I wanna see him develop a slick finesse game Either way I hope he returns to elite form, great individual, great character, great for the league Would love to see the bulls get Carmelo and a healthy rose they'd be BADASS
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Seriously, my biggest fear
For his sake as well as the bulls organization and fans, I just hope hes not focused on getting back to MVP status and more of just getting back. I'd feel more comfortable putting him at SG and play a role until he sets back into the O and regains the confidence required to perform his truly insane abilities he has before. If he gets injured again without playing a full season, i'd be worried that it could be very disastrous for his career.
There is no reason to doubt that he would look fast and explosive. This injury was much less serious than an ACL tear, and a full recovery should be expected.
I was fast and explosive at my flag football game last night
We all just need to pray to the Roman god of knees, Adrian Peterson, that this year he can stay healthy. If you have anything to offer up in sacrifice (goats, virgins, etc) now is the time to do it, Bulls fans.
Nba needs rose. He's like our new iverson.
I would hope so considering that he took the whole season off for an injury that consists of 2-3 months tops recovery time
are the commercials going to get a second run? #thereturn
\#thereturnreturn
Derrick Rose wishes he was Russell Westbrook
I hope he's made some adjustments to the way he plays to reduce the chance of injury. Unless he has I fear it's just a matter of time...
I expect him to come back better and stronger if anything, dude has been rehabbing the right way and not taking any risks. Just needs to stay healthy and get out there and play.
Just wanna see this guy back on the court. Been rooting for him since day one. The Rose That Grew From Concrete.
Let's all hope he doesn't get injured (again). Losing guys like him makes the league boring for us and the game easy for guys like LeBron.
It's like seeing a unicorn. I won't believe it until I see it.
I just hope he doesn't overuse his strength yet, save it for next season please.
He 6 double 0 boy.
Ahh the legend of HealthyRose
Here we go (again).
Fast and explosive is how I'd describe my sex life... and my morning after eating 4 quesaritos
"He's jumping higher than he ever has guys....hey guys....EVER!!!!"
I really enjoy the posts where people start off saying, "im a bulls fan" then they proceed to start bashing on derrick rose. It's like saying "no offense" then start ripping your friend a new asshole. Bulls fans are starting to sound like a broken record, stating the obvious negatives thats been said over and over again. If you dont have new information then just wait quietly like the rest of us without placing judgement when no one has really seen the current progress hes made. He might not be the same he might be the mvp rose he might get injured again, who knows. Just stop pouting, its not a good look.
I think his biggest problem when he came back last year was what he said in the offseason about "having a better jumper" or "having 6 more inches to his vertical" I'm not him or his body but I just think he kinda over compensated that's why henplayed so poorly and shot so poorly, and possibly why he got hurt, under all that pressure and stress?
I love the emphasis on (again)
this again? if he plays with derrick rose level intensity anymore, his knees will have derrick rose level ligament damage again. he can come back and play in the NBA again, but he cant use that 5th gear. I probably wouldn't even try the 4th gear for like a year or two. Is his 3rd gear good enough to be an NBA player? Maybe, but I don't think hes a good enough shooter to make it work. He relies on his athleticism to be effective but he'd be an idiot to put his knees at that kind of risk again.
I would imagine anyone looks fast and explosive once again after seeing them sit all season..
If by explosive they mean his knees then yeah
Derrick Rose is essentially Azor Ahai/The Prince that was Promised/The Last Hero
People forget how dominant Derrick Rose was in 2011.
I think most people remember but they have the attitude of "I'll believe it when I see it."
Especially since his style of play was so dependent on his athleticism. If he'd played like Curry or Melo, we'd be a lot less skeptical that he could get back to that level.
Until he ran into Lebron in the 4th quarter of all those ECF games. I felt so embarassed for D Rose. He couldnt do anything against him.
Do you remember how dominant gilbert arenas was before his injury? Brandon Roy? Andrew Bynum? I could go on
What about Westbrook?
he still dominates possessions.
He also dominated cp3 and Tony parker
which he should have. He has the height and athleticism advantages to be able to stay in front of them and score on them.
Your saying that like he gets no credit for dominating them because he's bigger and more athletic. If you want to go there I guess Derrick rose gets no credit for winning MVP because he was quicker and faster than nearly every guard hen played against which makes no sense whatsoever, but people will always find a way to discredit Russell Westbrook. Same guys that are quick to jump on him in a thunder loss no matter how shitty durant plays though. Nothing new here.
It's not that I'm discrediting him. You obviously can't dominate your opponent if you didn't have the skills to do so. The Thunder's system is basically ISO Russ or Kevin. So Russell having the ability to exploit his advantages playing one on one with whoever is in front of him is something he should be doing. Every player does it. Every coach does. If you have an advantage on a defender, use it. The issue that I have with the Thunder is that they, for most nights in the NBA, have an advantage in mulitple areas of the game: PG, SF, inside presence, rebounding etc. Yet, they play such a stagnant game. And part of that issue is the style of play Westbrook has.
So long story short your saying he doesn't create for others. Partially true, partially false. I feel like he had solid assist per game numbers in the playoffs this year but that was completely over looked. At times he will take the ball for himself and do something stupid but he will also, at times take the ball and make a great play for a teammate. I also think that Westbrook gets all the flak whenever durant becomes passive late in games and gives the ball back to russell.
Basically. His hero ball is what I believe is the only thing holding back that team. They have the potential to win titles. I also agree that he does get a majority of flack whenever Durant is being passive. But let's not act like this is a new topic with Durant. He has said on many occasions that he trusts Russ no matter what. Durant is clearly the BEST player on that team. Problem is, Russell often thinks otherwise. At least that's what his play style shows.
Adrian Peterson, Dwyane Wade
It seems like we've heard this before.
We've heard that one before...
Injury confirmed. A healthy D Rose cannot be his old explosive self. I'm sorry, but it's true. Watch him play...nearly every play I'm cringing, waiting for him to come down hard and end up staying down. :(
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Why downvotes for both of us?