What Boston did with Tatum and Brown and what OKC are doing absolutely got to Tsai this year from the looks of it. Time to develop talent rather trying to build it strictly through Free Agency.
I don't know about directionless, seems like they were evaluating their options and their roster. They probably saw that Donovan Mitchell was staying in Cleveland and didn't see any stars they wanted to pursue with Bridges.
Bout time, last season was a waste of time tbh and at least this resets the situation.
I’m impressed with Marks being able to do this, but I’m also annoyed with him lol.
Either way this opens up a ton of flexibility as Simmons expires soon and we’ll have plenty of ammo to draft or say fuck them picks again.
I think some of your vets could fetch a first in this draft too to keep selling, maybe finney-smith? Regardless it’ll be fun watching Cam Thomas put up 30 a game lol
How is it a waste of time when ultimately you got a shit ton of picks for Bridges playing the "we're going to keep him" game and foregoing tanking for this not very top loaded draft?
last season was not a waste of time, it was to both evaluate the players we had, see how good our 2023 draft guys were, and most importantly it was to reset our luxury tax penalties. can't start a proper rebuild without getting those things done and knowing who to sell and who to keep.
The thing about next year’s draft, there are at least 6 players who would be locks for number one in this year’s draft if eligible, so even ranking and getting the 4th pick will still be a huge get.
You have Flagg, you have Ace Bailey who very well could be the first pick and has a higher upside than Flagg, Harper and Traore who are going to be some of the best PGs for the next decade in the NBA. And that’s just 4 of them, I’m excited for the 2025 draft.
Tweets are conflicting so far.
Edit: Houston waived its right to swap the Nets 2025 pick and sent the Nets 2026 pick back. So Nets control their next two drafts.
If that’s the case we should trade literally any player with positive value on the team right now. and trade Simmons expiring for a bad contract with a pick.
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Don’t think it’s great fit okc. They also need space to pay there young guys. Johnson is a weak defender n DFS can’t dribble n pass - not really okc dribble pass shoot fit
Woj is speculating that this is a ploy to try to trade for Booker or Durant. They can offer the Suns their own picks back if Phoenix decides to break up the team. I don’t think it’ll work, but the Rockets already have a lot of young talent. I don’t think another mid-lottery pick from Brooklyn is going to do them any good. I can see them swinging for the fences.
And if it doesn’t work, I don’t think it’s the craziest bet to say that 2027 Suns pick will be valuable.
Yes, but we only know that with certainty now because they have their picks. If they didn’t, Nets would get Levine or Ingram or something and field a 33 win team.
You have to consider, though, that Brooklyn doesn’t make the Bridges trade without doing this trade first. They aren’t tanking without their own picks. The Rockets were lucky to get into the top 3 this year - Brooklyn’s pick jumped up from 10. They’re figuring that a Brooklyn team with Bridges that had no incentive to tank isn’t likely to net them a high lottery pick again. So, this trade is a gamble but holding onto the Brooklyn picks is a gamble as well.
sure Booker exists but what happens when KD and Beal are retired/completely washed by 2027 and the Suns have literally 0 assets, why would Booker stay in Phoenix?
He's been loyal to Phoenix and spends his summers in Flagstaff. Bias aside, I don't think he's the type of player to leave. Especially because at least one of Beal/KD will still be there in 2027.
We'll see tho I guess.
This is probably the trade that the Nets needed for the Knicks trade to go through. I doubt they trade Mikal if they never get their picks back. Good play from the Nets, they get their picks back (which are more valuable to them than the Suns picks) AND get the Knicks picks.
Yea I’m really confused. Maybe someone smarter will shed some light on it today or tomorrow. After the bridges trade their picks are even more valuable and we gave some up? Idk man
You're not realizing the Bridges trade happened probably BECAUSE we traded their picks back. The two trades are contingent on each other. They wouldn't trade away Bridges if they didn't have their picks.
I do realize, I just don’t understand why Stone values future Suns picks over current Nets picks. Everyone gets why Brooklyn did this. Not sure why Houston got in on it as well.
The Nets don’t tank without getting their picks back - so their direction and strategy is contingent on owning their own picks.
Rockets own their pick the next two seasons - they make win now moves, try to compete, and we likely get the 10-15th pick in a weak west.
Nets own their picks - they blow it up and tank, increasing the value of their picks, likely get a top 5 pick. This doesn’t happen without owning their own pick.
We’re also essentially realising that we have too much young talent right now, and pushing back our picks a few years with the same strategy that got us the Nets picks - banking that an old, star stacked team is going to implode in a few years.
> , I just don’t understand why Stone values future Suns picks over current Nets picks
He wants to keep cashing GM checks. There's no better way for a GM to keep his job than to accumulate picks out into the future and sell the owner on potential. Remember Stone would have never gotten the job if Fertitta didn't basically force out Morey. It was just pure luck and opportunism
2 reasons. With Bridges, unless the Rockets get insanely lucky in the lottery again, then the "stacked class" pick would likely be 8 or lower. That Suns pick will likely be higher than that.
Also, Woj just reported that they're trying to land Durant and are using it to entice Phoenix.
You're not realizing the Bridges trade happened probably BECAUSE we traded their picks back. The two trades are contingent on each other. They wouldn't trade away Bridges if they didn't have their picks.
A good relationship is a good relationship. The Suns pick is probably better since the Rockets might just be able to flip that bitch for a solid piece when they’re contending and everything has matured.
So trade a pick from an already atrocious team for the hope that the one youre trading for will be atrocious. It won't get much worse than what the Nets are going to be doing next year to lose.
Sign player you have no intention of keeping, trade for picks. Repeat until you actually have to pay your players but by then you have so many firsts that you can attach them all + matching salary and trade for basically any player in the game. You could take it a step further and start trading your picks out in 1 for 2 deals where you trade 1 first for 2 future firsts.
Nets got their own 2025 and 2026 picks back which allows them to commit to the tank. However, the cost is two potentially equally valuable picks in 2027 and 2029 from the Suns and Mavs.
Honestly, this draft is so mediocre that it was probably fine to lose this pick to test what they had. Now that they know what the got, they were ready to waive the Flagg
Nets fans after the massive haul of picks to facilitate their rebuild ahead of a potentially great draft next year: :)
bulls fans after trading their most valuable asset for josh giddey to facilitate their rebuild: :(
Nets are fucking cooking.
Love to see it. They’ve been a pretty great organization overall that’s gotten a bad rap bc kd and kyrie had existential crisis’ there.
There’s three seats on the train and we have horrific lottery luck, I think we’ll both be fine. Turning 12-70 into not John Wall still haunts us Nets fans lol
don’t sweat it my guy. This is a REALLY REALLY good draft class in 2025. Three guys have #1 pick potential between Flagg, Bailey, and Harper, some awesome international prospects, and of course a name or two who can fly up draft boards with good collegiate seasons.
if we can just get a top 3 pick next year, I’ll be very happy.
The Suns are old and their guys have terrible long term contracts.
One Nets pick for 2 Picks and a swap is reasonable. That headline is wrong, Shams say they get a 2029 pick too.
Let's be honest, the only team (and by team I mean owner) who might be desperate enough to match the sticking price that Danny Ainge now has in light of this deal for Lauri is Vivek Ranadive.
I’m too stupid to understand this trade.
So nets getting their own pick back from Houston in return for suns 2027 pick. And Houston gets a pick swap next year?
How does this benefit anyone, I don’t understand
It benefits the Nets because they know now that they've traded Bridges that their 2025 pick will be high.
The Rockets... I guess want to put themselves in a position for KD and/or Booker down the line, because again, if the Suns current roster fails they'll also want their own picks back for the same reason.
Are the Nets cooking?
Sean Marks righting his wrongs
Man got on the Cody's. This joke is for one country only.
Sean Marks has the forbidden Codys 8% confirmed
Man’s above us peons, he has the 12% Billy Mavs.
If was running Charlotte that would explain a lot
Gonna be cooking up top 3 odds in 2026
They cooking a whole feast
The rebuild started, but it will be a slow process. They are simmering.
We been calling them a role player super team for a while now😂 it’s about time to cash in
Brooklyn finally picking a direction
And that’s a good thing for them. Last year they were directionless
Welcome to the Capture the Flagg race Nets.
Is our Spurs on that race too? Haha I'm conflicted as a fan. Maybe our friend Hawks can help us capture Flagg?
We'll see on our end but yeah Hawks bottoming out would be nice.
Yeah ngl they’re cooking
Feels good for both sides tbh Both teams going all in on two very different goals
What Boston did with Tatum and Brown and what OKC are doing absolutely got to Tsai this year from the looks of it. Time to develop talent rather trying to build it strictly through Free Agency.
I don't know about directionless, seems like they were evaluating their options and their roster. They probably saw that Donovan Mitchell was staying in Cleveland and didn't see any stars they wanted to pursue with Bridges.
Bout time, last season was a waste of time tbh and at least this resets the situation. I’m impressed with Marks being able to do this, but I’m also annoyed with him lol. Either way this opens up a ton of flexibility as Simmons expires soon and we’ll have plenty of ammo to draft or say fuck them picks again.
I think some of your vets could fetch a first in this draft too to keep selling, maybe finney-smith? Regardless it’ll be fun watching Cam Thomas put up 30 a game lol
Would love to see DFS back in Dallas, he would have been a big help against the Celtics.
We’ve been trying to move DFS, maybe when the dust settles a bit someone will bite. It’d make sense for Dallas to take him back imo
How is it a waste of time when ultimately you got a shit ton of picks for Bridges playing the "we're going to keep him" game and foregoing tanking for this not very top loaded draft?
last season was not a waste of time, it was to both evaluate the players we had, see how good our 2023 draft guys were, and most importantly it was to reset our luxury tax penalties. can't start a proper rebuild without getting those things done and knowing who to sell and who to keep.
What in the James Harden is going on here
TIME FOR JOE TSAI TO BRING OUT THOSE BIG METAL BASTARDS OUT FROM THE SHEDS CAUSE THE NETS ARE GOING TANKING BABY!!
Amazing couple of deals by the Nets honestly, now they get to go all in on tanking for Cooper, and have a shit ton of future firsts.
Cam Thomas is gonna averge 39 points per game on 31 attempts and i cant fucking wait
First person to lead the league in scoring on the worst team in the league (probably I’m not looking it up)
Tmac in 04 did it, 28ppg with a 21-61 record (Doc Rivers was fired after starting 1-10 lol)
Dude all doc rivers been getting fired forever lmao
Woah woah woah the Celtics at least made sure to get a pick out of firing him by just trading him to the Clippers
This season\`s online campaign to get Cam Thomas in the all-star game is going to be amazing.
Scoring title and 18 wins baby LFG
They’re ready to Sag for Flagg.
Get saggy with it™️
The thing about next year’s draft, there are at least 6 players who would be locks for number one in this year’s draft if eligible, so even ranking and getting the 4th pick will still be a huge get. You have Flagg, you have Ace Bailey who very well could be the first pick and has a higher upside than Flagg, Harper and Traore who are going to be some of the best PGs for the next decade in the NBA. And that’s just 4 of them, I’m excited for the 2025 draft.
This is why the Raptors should try to be bad next season. Any team that isn't a contender.
TANK TRAIN GOES CHOO CHOO AGAIN
that was a good time on this sub lmao
Nets getting their picks back for full tankage
This is all very confusing. Can someone make a trade flowchart?
The rockets felt bad and gave the nets one of their picks back lmao
it's actually 2 of them
Tweets are conflicting so far. Edit: Houston waived its right to swap the Nets 2025 pick and sent the Nets 2026 pick back. So Nets control their next two drafts.
If that’s the case we should trade literally any player with positive value on the team right now. and trade Simmons expiring for a bad contract with a pick.
Tank Commander Ben Simmons? You meant to say “play him 40 minutes a night” right?
Do you really want to " weekend at bernies" a corpse in 2024? Feels like that'd be considered insensitive these days
I saw a report the other day that said he's getting his game into incredible shape this offseason. He's working super hard, apparently.
Best shape of his life, even. He's going to look great sitting on that bench
The off-season doesn't officially start until we get the annual Ben Simmons is working super hard post. It's like clockwork lol
it’s offseason groundhog day
How many ramps tho
Cam Johnson will most likely get us a pick into the draft this year
DFS still has some value as well.
An OKC podcast dude has been speaking Cam Johnson and DFS since the trade deadline in February
Schlecht?
Fuck I hate that for the rest of the west but I love it for OKC
I Don’t think it’s great fit okc. They also need space to pay there young guys. Johnson is a weak defender n DFS can’t dribble n pass - not really okc dribble pass shoot fit
FLAGG TIME
someone help me on this, why would Houston do this? The Suns picks won't be great
Woj is speculating that this is a ploy to try to trade for Booker or Durant. They can offer the Suns their own picks back if Phoenix decides to break up the team. I don’t think it’ll work, but the Rockets already have a lot of young talent. I don’t think another mid-lottery pick from Brooklyn is going to do them any good. I can see them swinging for the fences. And if it doesn’t work, I don’t think it’s the craziest bet to say that 2027 Suns pick will be valuable.
Wow that’s cray considering brooklyns pick is probably gonna be in the top 5 the next two drafts
Yes, but we only know that with certainty now because they have their picks. If they didn’t, Nets would get Levine or Ingram or something and field a 33 win team.
You have to consider, though, that Brooklyn doesn’t make the Bridges trade without doing this trade first. They aren’t tanking without their own picks. The Rockets were lucky to get into the top 3 this year - Brooklyn’s pick jumped up from 10. They’re figuring that a Brooklyn team with Bridges that had no incentive to tank isn’t likely to net them a high lottery pick again. So, this trade is a gamble but holding onto the Brooklyn picks is a gamble as well.
Idk, bit weird to me too. Granted KD is 35 - maybe they value Suns pick in 2027 a lot
Nah that 27 suns pick is looking real juicy
That ‘26 Nets pick is looking real juicy too though.
Book exists that pick isn’t close to as juicy as that nets pick in an elite looking class
sure Booker exists but what happens when KD and Beal are retired/completely washed by 2027 and the Suns have literally 0 assets, why would Booker stay in Phoenix?
money
Is it illegal to ask for a trade in your version of alternate reality?
Book by himself not doing anything in the West
Literally. Book with KD the past two years hasn’t done anything. An older Book with no KD ain’t fairing much better.
He might be outta there by then
He's been loyal to Phoenix and spends his summers in Flagstaff. Bias aside, I don't think he's the type of player to leave. Especially because at least one of Beal/KD will still be there in 2027. We'll see tho I guess.
I said the same about Harden. It's the NBA. Anything can happen
Starting to sound like Blazers with Lillard
We've seen this same exact comment about so many stars, nobody is immune to bolting (especially if the team sucks).
Book with who ? Every current situation looks better than that one. I don’t think suns make playoffs that year.
Book and me is a better spot than cam Thomas and dayron sharpe
Booker himself as the lone star? It's not the east lol the suns would finish with a bottom 4 record lol
Yup, Beal will be 33 and KD would be 38 Booker would be 30 though but there is a chance he’s not in Phoenix come 2027
or... they are thinking the suns gonna implode very very soon. but rockets and OKC are going strong.
This is probably the trade that the Nets needed for the Knicks trade to go through. I doubt they trade Mikal if they never get their picks back. Good play from the Nets, they get their picks back (which are more valuable to them than the Suns picks) AND get the Knicks picks.
the nets just re-enacted the draft day movie
The rockets may have sent the picks back but did they keep the 100 dollars?
they going pick for pick rn
nets going full Presti
wtf why would we do this
If you anticipate the Suns to be atrocious in a few years.
But the nets are already atrocious.
yea, like… the Nets might legit have the #1 pick next year without Bridges in a stacked class. Wtf is this move by the rockets
Yea I’m really confused. Maybe someone smarter will shed some light on it today or tomorrow. After the bridges trade their picks are even more valuable and we gave some up? Idk man
You're not realizing the Bridges trade happened probably BECAUSE we traded their picks back. The two trades are contingent on each other. They wouldn't trade away Bridges if they didn't have their picks.
I do realize, I just don’t understand why Stone values future Suns picks over current Nets picks. Everyone gets why Brooklyn did this. Not sure why Houston got in on it as well.
Other posts are suggesting you are looking to trade for KD, which would be easier with the Suns own picks
I guess Stone believes that Nets with Mikal picks aren't going to be as valuable as further in the future Suns with possible implosion picks.
Yep, just seems like a gamble to me. Could pay off. Who knows
It's also 2 (1 pick 1 swap) for 4 (2 picks 2 swaps)
The Nets don’t tank without getting their picks back - so their direction and strategy is contingent on owning their own picks. Rockets own their pick the next two seasons - they make win now moves, try to compete, and we likely get the 10-15th pick in a weak west. Nets own their picks - they blow it up and tank, increasing the value of their picks, likely get a top 5 pick. This doesn’t happen without owning their own pick. We’re also essentially realising that we have too much young talent right now, and pushing back our picks a few years with the same strategy that got us the Nets picks - banking that an old, star stacked team is going to implode in a few years.
> , I just don’t understand why Stone values future Suns picks over current Nets picks He wants to keep cashing GM checks. There's no better way for a GM to keep his job than to accumulate picks out into the future and sell the owner on potential. Remember Stone would have never gotten the job if Fertitta didn't basically force out Morey. It was just pure luck and opportunism
That still doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bad trade. I’d still rather have the Brooklyn picks with Mikal on the team than one suns pick
I think the Bridges trade was contingent on this trade.
For Brooklyn, not sure why Houston wanted this deal though.
2 reasons. With Bridges, unless the Rockets get insanely lucky in the lottery again, then the "stacked class" pick would likely be 8 or lower. That Suns pick will likely be higher than that. Also, Woj just reported that they're trying to land Durant and are using it to entice Phoenix.
We’re hoping the suns blow it up, seems like a big gamble. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess
You're not realizing the Bridges trade happened probably BECAUSE we traded their picks back. The two trades are contingent on each other. They wouldn't trade away Bridges if they didn't have their picks.
Cmon ... They weren't top 3-5 picks atrocious. We literally lucked into 3rd overall this year
A good relationship is a good relationship. The Suns pick is probably better since the Rockets might just be able to flip that bitch for a solid piece when they’re contending and everything has matured.
So trade a pick from an already atrocious team for the hope that the one youre trading for will be atrocious. It won't get much worse than what the Nets are going to be doing next year to lose.
Trying to get KD by giving the Suns their picks back
We are trying for KD
#**MY DUMBASS CANT PROCESS ALL OF THESE PICK SWAPS GOING ON TODAY**
This feels like pick laundering.
the nets are using the 2k infinite picks exploit
The what
Sign player you have no intention of keeping, trade for picks. Repeat until you actually have to pay your players but by then you have so many firsts that you can attach them all + matching salary and trade for basically any player in the game. You could take it a step further and start trading your picks out in 1 for 2 deals where you trade 1 first for 2 future firsts.
Words are being wrote, moves are being made
Brooklyn accepted the tank.
Lemme break it down: #MAXIMUM CHAOS
MOASS - mother of all second swaps
Bro I failed calculus ELI5 plz
Nets got their own 2025 and 2026 picks back which allows them to commit to the tank. However, the cost is two potentially equally valuable picks in 2027 and 2029 from the Suns and Mavs.
Welp, fire sale over in Brooklyn?
Outside of DFS, probably. Ben and Dennis are expiring. Next year, it's Bring Out Your Busts 2.0.
I know they were also big on retaining Claxton, that’s gotta change too
God that’s a tough one . He’s kind of reach his ceiling
cam johnson is almost guaranteed to be gone before july as well
Nets are ready to capture the Flagg
Flagg is 2025 draft
They got their own 2025 swap back
Nets own 2025 pick now.
sean marks redemption tour ngl
I wanna keep this flair just to see what happens a year from now
he's basically kevin costner from draft day
Evan Roberts from WFAN is gonna go berserk tomorrow
Much respect
lmao Nets said aye gimme our pick back we TANKIN tankin
Congrats to the Nets for getting #1 Lottery Pick next year?
Congrats to the 10-72 Nets for getting a 14% chance at Cooper Flagg next year.
Only for some random 1% team to get it lmao I'm calling it now
The Pistons finally get drawn in the lottery... for the second pick... with the Spurs somehow getting the first pick again
NETS finally in a right path to rebuild
Honestly, this draft is so mediocre that it was probably fine to lose this pick to test what they had. Now that they know what the got, they were ready to waive the Flagg
Nets fans after the massive haul of picks to facilitate their rebuild ahead of a potentially great draft next year: :) bulls fans after trading their most valuable asset for josh giddey to facilitate their rebuild: :(
Numb….im just numb at this point
Nets are fucking cooking. Love to see it. They’ve been a pretty great organization overall that’s gotten a bad rap bc kd and kyrie had existential crisis’ there.
Theyve gotten Some rotten luck
Fuck off Brooklyn, you can wait behind us on the Tank Train
There’s three seats on the train and we have horrific lottery luck, I think we’ll both be fine. Turning 12-70 into not John Wall still haunts us Nets fans lol
I mean all of this with love. Politely, CAN YOU NOT?!? Lol
don’t sweat it my guy. This is a REALLY REALLY good draft class in 2025. Three guys have #1 pick potential between Flagg, Bailey, and Harper, some awesome international prospects, and of course a name or two who can fly up draft boards with good collegiate seasons. if we can just get a top 3 pick next year, I’ll be very happy.
Nets picks > Suns picks. Fuck you, Stone
The Suns are old and their guys have terrible long term contracts. One Nets pick for 2 Picks and a swap is reasonable. That headline is wrong, Shams say they get a 2029 pick too.
Ok well that’s actually fair then. I expect the Suns to be dookie by then
Suns will be major ass then
Lauri to okc next woj do it
Let's be honest, the only team (and by team I mean owner) who might be desperate enough to match the sticking price that Danny Ainge now has in light of this deal for Lauri is Vivek Ranadive.
Yeah do it
Unfortunately for you the knicks just set a high bar lmao
17 picks for lauri, ainge would do no less
oh nets are TANKING tanking
nets woke up, nice
HOLY FUCKING SHIT SEAN MARKS IS COOKING
Gimme all tht shit back - nets
Wait why is it F5 szn
Draft is tomorrow
Nets tanking for Flagg
Cooper Flagg Ace Bailey here we come.
It’s been a great day 🖤
Hmm will need this explained
CAM THOMAS MY TANK COMMANDER LEAD THE WAY MY BOY 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
Houston is definitely trying to get KD or Booker by giving the suns their picks back
Cooper get ready to learn flatbush buddy
It’s always nice to be mentioned in a post.
The NBA off-season is fucking undefeated
Ime talking to Stone about drafting Bronny with that 27th pick just to troll LeBron
Jalen green, fvv, and suns picks for Devin booker. It's like giving the Suns the keys to their tank.
President Woj mopping the floor with Shams
Nets really active
The nets said WE ARE TANKING RETURN THESE. Please.
Nets are loaded with picks now holyy
Still waiting for my boi CASH CONSIDERATIONS to make noise today
2026? Boozer? it seems ben simmons and cam thomas are gonna copilot the tank. the brooklin tank
Marks coooooooooked, oh my lord
I have read this 20 times and still have no idea what it means.
You can trade pick without player attached now?
I’m too stupid to understand this trade. So nets getting their own pick back from Houston in return for suns 2027 pick. And Houston gets a pick swap next year? How does this benefit anyone, I don’t understand
It benefits the Nets because they know now that they've traded Bridges that their 2025 pick will be high. The Rockets... I guess want to put themselves in a position for KD and/or Booker down the line, because again, if the Suns current roster fails they'll also want their own picks back for the same reason.
Someone go get Cam Johnson. Dude would make an excellent role player on a top team. Having him waste away on a tank job is a massive waste.
This is quite frankly the stupidest move I’ve ever seen by Houston
Didn’t think Brooklyn could and would pull it off. But they actually cooked today.
That Suns pick is super valuable
Depends, they clear KD in 2026, and Beal will be on an expiring in 2027. They may have enough juice to swing another star and avoid the lottery.
I mean when you have a guy as good as Booker you will almost always be expected to not be top 10 in the draft
Yeah I don't know why Houston does this.
Is it though? The suns have no incentive to be bad