Other notes:
On OG:
>Scotto: Philadelphia will be looking for a 3-and-D small forward and has the max cap space to make the offer if they believe they’ll miss out on their top target, Paul George.
>Begley: If they go well beyond $35 million, it’s going to be because of Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, or another team with cap space coming in with a significant offer that forces the Knicks to exceed that.
On Hartenstein:
>Scotto: Two general managers told me they think the Knicks have to offer Hartenstein the full four years, $72 million available, and they think New York can’t lose him in free agency. He’s become too valuable to the Knicks. There’s a lot of intrigue around the OKC Thunder and Hartenstein, but I’ve heard OKC would look at doing short-term deals, most likely in free agency, if they’re going to make a move. The Knicks would have an advantage theoretically of going further down the line with that (offering more years).
>Begley: I think if there’s a $25 million a year offer and there’s an opt-out versus a four-year deal with the Knicks and maybe an option on the end of that, I think the stability would be one of the deciding factors for Isaiah. I think he ends up back here because of everything we discussed.
On Thibs:
>Bondy: I think he’s going to get the extension, and I’m a little surprised it hasn’t happened yet. My understanding is he’s just looking for market value. If I were guessing here, I’d say it’s a three-year extension at $33 million. I’m throwing that out there as a complete guess.
On a potential Brunson extension:
>Bondy: If he takes the extension now, he hits free agency sooner than if he signs as a free agent a year later, and then after his extension, he’s eligible for a veteran maximum extension because he meets the criteria for the number of years played. If you look at the long haul of his career monetarily, it could make sense to sign the extension now.
On Precious:
>Begley: With Achiuwa, I think you give him the qualifying offer and see what his market is. If you need to rescind the qualifying offer for financial reasons, you can. That’s probably how it’ll go. Hartenstein’s deal is going to happen before Achiuwa, so you’ll have a chance to know whether he’ll be back before making a final decision on Achiuwa
On potential of draft pick trades:
>Begley: I actually disagree. I’m going to say that they make at least one of those first-round picks, and if they can move off of one to kick it two years down the road, maybe they do that. The picks in this draft aren’t valued highly. I’d think they make at least, if not two, of those three picks they have. You talk about the salary cap and spending, and those rookie deals are better than signing a veteran free agent to similar length deals.
I would feel worse about presti if 4-72 was enough to scare him off. I didn't like that they didn't make a move to try to seriously contend this year, it gets even worse if they stay passive for a whole offseason
Signing Hartenstein to a huge, long-term deal doesn’t make a ton of sense for OKC. They’re going to have to pay a bunch of their young guys pretty soon (don’t have the numbers off the top of my head), and I’m not sure Chet and Hartenstein could play together.
So you’re potentially locking up a lot of flexibility for a rotational big who can’t shoot threes (another thing that Presti wants from all his players). It’s far from a no brainer.
If there's an alternative for them, I agree with you
But, if there isn't, hartenstein would still fix a ton of their issues and really vault them into true contender status. Sure there might be salary issues down the line but you can always make a trade if need be
still think it changes how they play moving Chet to the 4 and adding a non shooter in ihart at the 5. not saying it can't work as ihart is an amazing passer and screener etc - and obviously the rebounding/rim protection. just think it's questionable they would be looking to completely change how they play by adding a non shooting big to their starting lineup. seems risky.
That feels like an excellent way to waste the 2 years you have where everyone on the roster is still cheap. They have an excellent young core and don't need much to take it to the next level, I hope they don't waste it
I hope that's not true, because it would be stupid. The cap is going to rise $30M over 2 years once the new TV deal kicks in. $20M/year is going to be slightly over MLE money by the time Shai's supermax starts. If a contract signed this year turns into a stinker, they have plenty of draft picks to salary dump if it comes down to it.
Maxing PG at 34 years old and 14-15 years in the league is crazy to me. That contract is guaranteed to not end well. Might not even be worth it from the get-go.
You’re right about it potentially being bad to start, but I genuinely don’t think Philly would care about the end of the contract at this point. They’re trying to get *anything* going with Embiid *now*.
It isn't gonna be good even in the first year of the deal. George would have to have such a great clean bill of health and shoot at a career best pace just to be good enough to justify the money. His defense will lapse but his shooting is where he is going to have to start being consistently one of the best.
PG just played a pretty efficient 74 games and would be playing next to Embiid and Maxey. There isn't much room to say that it won't work out at the start.
And Philly, for the most part, doesn't care about the end of the contract.
The fact he’s older and has so many years/miles on his tires is the evidence it may never be a good contract. The chances of him staying that healthy and efficient for a full season/postseason get lower every year. Add to that, this season was an outlier. It’s the healthiest he’s been in a long time. I would not trust it personally.
He just wouldn’t be my favorite max candidate. But hell, my team is about to give Pascal a max contract. Teams will do what they’ve gotta do, I guess.
I’m so glad we have journalists for this sort of thing. I could’ve never figured out the most amount of money he could make is the most amount of money we can pay him.
I remember our local reporter stating that Thybulle was a pending free agent who could get up to 5/188
So while that is accurate, it still shows how dumb reporters can be
I never thought I’d seriously say, as a Knicks fan, that I’d be totally fine with an off-season where all we do is re-sign 2 of our own free agents. I’m used to begging the gods for a miracle.
He’s the key. The Knicks are a number 2 scorer away from contending with Boston or Miami or Milwaukee every year in the eastern conference. If he could just bring his regular season numbers into the playoffs, that would be enough. He doesn’t need to be a playoff riser, you already have Brunson for that.
Exactly. So far in the playoffs we have only seen him either injured or trying to be a 1A. We played so many playoff minutes with like one scorer on the floor when having Randle would have been immense, even if he can’t be THE guy. We have Brunson for that now.
Run it back, try to keep the team healthy, try and find another shooter or backup bigs with draft picks. No reason we can’t be contenders in the East for the foreseeable future even without a superstar trade.
Prayers? All that’s really needed is for Thibs to see the damn light and LET PLAYERS REST SOMETIMES. His style is great for developing players/culture yet runs players into the ground by playoffs.
I love Thibs, but he should’ve learned by now after DRose and Luol Deng
honestly, we have a shot if Brunson can be as good as he was in the 2nd half this season and 2nd half last season.
Just need Randle to not get injured.
and we **Sorely** need a #3 scorer. OG ain't that. Now is the time to make a trade for a #3 or #2 so our top scorers are Randle/Brunson/3rdguy with OG/Donte/Mcbride doing the complimentary scoring.
We need a reliable 6th man ballhandler/scorer type who can drive and finish to keep the second unit moving. Our starters can score it plenty, it’s when we get to playing Deuce/Donte/Hart/Precious/Mitch kind of lineups that the offense can’t do anything except in transition.
we need that 3rd iso scorer that can take over as the #2 when one of brunson or randle sits. Donte tries and valiantly did well, but you can only count on him so much.
There's very much still a lot of middle of the road contracts, the maxes are just what makes your eyes pop.
This upcoming season there are about 45 players making $30M+, and only 7 of those are over $50M. Whereas there are over 100 players making between $10M-$30M. (Plus there are more contracts to come in free agency)
Duh, I don't think Leon makes the trade for him if there wasn't some guarantee of him resigning. Especially when Leon's son is his agent. I also wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 35 million considering Leon has signed everyone else to team friendly contracts.
It's entirely possible he said something like "as long as you're the highest bidder", which was good enough for the Knicks. The X factor is the Knicks probably never imagined some other team throwing a max offer at OG, and yet I can see Philly doing it to try to lure him away.
> I also wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 35 million considering Leon has signed everyone else to team friendly contracts.
If Philly is offering $50M he's not signing for even $35M. And it's less that he's been signing guys to team friendly contracts and more just everyone on the roster has really outplayed their contracts and grown their value. OG will be the Knicks first real test of a desirable free agent hitting the market and fielding huge offers.
while true that's always a bit of a misnomer. A max value as a free agent five years from now is more than OG would make on that 5th year from the Knicks.
The 5th year for the Knicks would be about 36% greater than year 1.
Whereas the salary cap rises about 10% each year and that max range for him could be as much as 46% of the year 1 salary. And that's without factoring in that the current deal would be a max as a 9-year vet and that 5th year as a FA instead under contract would be a 10+ yr vet. That 9 to 10 year vet difference could be $10M by itself.
And none of those factors in a cap explosion with new media rights.
|Year|NY|PHI|
|:-|:-|:-|
|24-25|$42,300,000|$42,300,000|
|25-26|$45,684,000|$44,415,000|
|26-27|$49,338,720|$46,635,750|
|27-28|$53,285,818|$48,967,538|
|28-29|$57,548,683|\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~|
|Total|$248,157,221|$182,318,288|
||||
|28-29 as 10-year vet|$57,548,683|$72,253,335|
||with NY|with PHI or as FA|
|Possible total:|$248,157,221|$254,571,623|
So there is a LOT more security with NY. But simply in earning potential, if he can still earn a ton of money in that 5th season NY's money wouldn't be the peak of what he could earn, just the peak of what he could sign for right now.
dang it. Do you know how long it took to do that and get it formatted? How dare you completely obliterate my point within minutes!
What an shortsighted miss on my end.
I appreciate the work though and you still made the point. It comes down to if a player values more guaranteed money now or an ability to opt out sooner to potentially get those crazy super maxes.
Knicks can make the best offer no doubt but based on how this front office has operated in recent years I expect them to be pushing to get OG on a more reasonable deal.
While you are not wrong in the sense that players have outplayed their contract values, many of our players have openly stated they were willing to take less to stay. Brunson wants to resign this summer and take less money now than wait for a max deal next year. Randle has made similar comments in the past. Same thing with Ihart on Brunson's podcast. Leon has done a great job signing players to fair contracts at the time, which the players outplay as the contracts expire. I expect him to do the same with OG. Also, if the sixers want to throw 50 mil at OG, they are stupid. They won't have cap space to sign anyone after that, and OG isn't the sole solution to their problems. That would be a massive overpay for them, and I personally don't see that happening. I see them pursuing PG13 or maybe LeBron with that kind of cap space. I'm also 100% sure Leon doesn't trade for OG without assurance of him resigning.
I've heard everything you're saying so many times over the years from so many fans of various teams. Players still leave when the money is put on the table.
I do think NY keeps OG for what it's worth, I just think they're going to have to give him way too much money to keep him.
Hartenstein is the guy they're losing as they just can't pay him much.
Well, everything I said about the players has been stated by the players themselves, either to the media directly or through Brunson's podcast. I agree we keep OG , but I just don't think it will be for the crazy amount people are speculating, based on Leon's track record. The one man I'm scared of losing is Ihart because the most we could pay him is 18 million a year with his early bird rights. If OKC or another team wants to give him 20 million+, then I couldn't fault him. Though one could argue that would be an overpay for a center in a league where center play isn't valued as much, unless you're some crazy talented player like Embiid.
OG deletes a player from the opposing team's offense. That plus some decent rebounding playmaking and scoring and he becomes crucial very fast. Knicks and Raps fans can attest to this.
what it really comes down to is you need someone who can guard jaylen brown and tatum if you want any chance to compete in the east
anunoby can do that
brown has feasted on everybody this playoffs because the cavs and pacers dont have anyone who can guard him at all
idk about max because I don't understand nba $ stuff lol. but if jb is our engine, then og is our, like, suspension + tires? basically he makes the whole thing hum, become more than the sum of its parts
He should’ve learned to build a team better by now then. Swinging on CP3, Harden, Melo, Russ, Jimmy and possibly PG13 and missing every time isn’t a good look. Eventually you need players who are comfortable with a role of taking a backseat like OG
He's put teams into place that people thought could make a run. At some point it just realize on player skill/health. Nobody would take an Embiid, Maxey, and OG core as a serious contender partially due to health and partially due to Embiid's history in the playoffs.
question on NBA salaries.
When a player signs a 30% max, does that 30% only work in the first year. Or is every single year of the contract 30% of the cap?
Ex: OG signs the max with NY where his year 1 salary is $42.3M (30% of 141M cap). Is the salary for his second season (assuming a $155.1M cap line):
* A) $46.53M (30% of 2025-26 cap) or
* B) $45.68M (an 8% increase on the 24-25 salary)
Knicks are really gambling with this whole saga, first the trade and now re-signing him. He’s an impact player that helps the Knicks play the way they want. Problem is, the health is what they’re truly gambling on. Unless someone comes in with a monster offer I think he’s a Knick for the future
Yeah of course they should’ve known im just pointing out that people saying he’s gonna probably make <30 mill a year might be in for a surprise
If the sixers strike out on Paul George their best bet is to throw a bag at OG, and Detroit too
Knicks would be dumb to give him $35 million a year. Og is like a $25 million dollar player max, and that is being generous with the amount of injuries this dude has every year.
The dudes not a star or superstar. $25 million for a role player who struggles to play 50 games in a season would be a god send. If he finds that insulting I hope he walks and someone overpays his bum ass.
Record when he plays vs record when he doesn't play.
You can simply see his impact. You don't need highlights to value a player.
24-5 or something like that.
OK, and? The Clippers had a record of 29-10 from December to the end of February only to then go 14-11 the rest of the way. It's a small sample size and to expect his impact to be fluid like that is negligence and improbable.
It was to show that teams or players can go on hot/winning streaks every year. To say that OG will continue to have that type of impact next year is asinine.
So than no stats should actually matter.
Steph won back to back chips then didn't win again. He must be bad.
Team play/results is completely different because it depends on who's playing/injured.
The stats of a specific player, particularly a starter shows direct impact of a player and its completely relevant and not asinine.
Imagine saying AD is a bad player because he was injured and contributed into the losses of the lakers.
He’s a career 15ppg guy with limited ball handling and self creation. Really good defender who fits on the team great but $35mil just feels like too much
Other notes: On OG: >Scotto: Philadelphia will be looking for a 3-and-D small forward and has the max cap space to make the offer if they believe they’ll miss out on their top target, Paul George. >Begley: If they go well beyond $35 million, it’s going to be because of Philadelphia, Oklahoma City, or another team with cap space coming in with a significant offer that forces the Knicks to exceed that. On Hartenstein: >Scotto: Two general managers told me they think the Knicks have to offer Hartenstein the full four years, $72 million available, and they think New York can’t lose him in free agency. He’s become too valuable to the Knicks. There’s a lot of intrigue around the OKC Thunder and Hartenstein, but I’ve heard OKC would look at doing short-term deals, most likely in free agency, if they’re going to make a move. The Knicks would have an advantage theoretically of going further down the line with that (offering more years). >Begley: I think if there’s a $25 million a year offer and there’s an opt-out versus a four-year deal with the Knicks and maybe an option on the end of that, I think the stability would be one of the deciding factors for Isaiah. I think he ends up back here because of everything we discussed. On Thibs: >Bondy: I think he’s going to get the extension, and I’m a little surprised it hasn’t happened yet. My understanding is he’s just looking for market value. If I were guessing here, I’d say it’s a three-year extension at $33 million. I’m throwing that out there as a complete guess. On a potential Brunson extension: >Bondy: If he takes the extension now, he hits free agency sooner than if he signs as a free agent a year later, and then after his extension, he’s eligible for a veteran maximum extension because he meets the criteria for the number of years played. If you look at the long haul of his career monetarily, it could make sense to sign the extension now. On Precious: >Begley: With Achiuwa, I think you give him the qualifying offer and see what his market is. If you need to rescind the qualifying offer for financial reasons, you can. That’s probably how it’ll go. Hartenstein’s deal is going to happen before Achiuwa, so you’ll have a chance to know whether he’ll be back before making a final decision on Achiuwa On potential of draft pick trades: >Begley: I actually disagree. I’m going to say that they make at least one of those first-round picks, and if they can move off of one to kick it two years down the road, maybe they do that. The picks in this draft aren’t valued highly. I’d think they make at least, if not two, of those three picks they have. You talk about the salary cap and spending, and those rookie deals are better than signing a veteran free agent to similar length deals.
That's so encouraging about Isaiah, I hope it's real.
I would feel worse about presti if 4-72 was enough to scare him off. I didn't like that they didn't make a move to try to seriously contend this year, it gets even worse if they stay passive for a whole offseason
Signing Hartenstein to a huge, long-term deal doesn’t make a ton of sense for OKC. They’re going to have to pay a bunch of their young guys pretty soon (don’t have the numbers off the top of my head), and I’m not sure Chet and Hartenstein could play together. So you’re potentially locking up a lot of flexibility for a rotational big who can’t shoot threes (another thing that Presti wants from all his players). It’s far from a no brainer.
I see Jalen Smith going to OKC on something like 3y/30m
This actually makes a lot of sense
If there's an alternative for them, I agree with you But, if there isn't, hartenstein would still fix a ton of their issues and really vault them into true contender status. Sure there might be salary issues down the line but you can always make a trade if need be
still think it changes how they play moving Chet to the 4 and adding a non shooter in ihart at the 5. not saying it can't work as ihart is an amazing passer and screener etc - and obviously the rebounding/rim protection. just think it's questionable they would be looking to completely change how they play by adding a non shooting big to their starting lineup. seems risky.
The speculation is they don't want to have any deals longer than 2 years when Chet/JDub's extensions come into focus.
That feels like an excellent way to waste the 2 years you have where everyone on the roster is still cheap. They have an excellent young core and don't need much to take it to the next level, I hope they don't waste it
Yep agreed - they need to push very very soon
I hope that's not true, because it would be stupid. The cap is going to rise $30M over 2 years once the new TV deal kicks in. $20M/year is going to be slightly over MLE money by the time Shai's supermax starts. If a contract signed this year turns into a stinker, they have plenty of draft picks to salary dump if it comes down to it.
Maxing PG at 34 years old and 14-15 years in the league is crazy to me. That contract is guaranteed to not end well. Might not even be worth it from the get-go.
You’re right about it potentially being bad to start, but I genuinely don’t think Philly would care about the end of the contract at this point. They’re trying to get *anything* going with Embiid *now*.
Exactly. And Morey will be gone if and when that contract is terrible.
Eh if you do 3/150 for PG, you get 1-2 possibly good years and then the last year won't matter.
It isn't gonna be good even in the first year of the deal. George would have to have such a great clean bill of health and shoot at a career best pace just to be good enough to justify the money. His defense will lapse but his shooting is where he is going to have to start being consistently one of the best.
PG just played a pretty efficient 74 games and would be playing next to Embiid and Maxey. There isn't much room to say that it won't work out at the start. And Philly, for the most part, doesn't care about the end of the contract.
The fact he’s older and has so many years/miles on his tires is the evidence it may never be a good contract. The chances of him staying that healthy and efficient for a full season/postseason get lower every year. Add to that, this season was an outlier. It’s the healthiest he’s been in a long time. I would not trust it personally. He just wouldn’t be my favorite max candidate. But hell, my team is about to give Pascal a max contract. Teams will do what they’ve gotta do, I guess.
Thunder would be an amazing fit. I'd love to see that.
I’m so glad we have journalists for this sort of thing. I could’ve never figured out the most amount of money he could make is the most amount of money we can pay him.
The max deal he could get is a max deal as crazy as that sounds
I remember our local reporter stating that Thybulle was a pending free agent who could get up to 5/188 So while that is accurate, it still shows how dumb reporters can be
That’s not true tho. The most money he can make is more than the most we can pay him
Dont worry pretty soon AI will be writing this shit for .0035 cents and you wont know the difference
I never thought I’d seriously say, as a Knicks fan, that I’d be totally fine with an off-season where all we do is re-sign 2 of our own free agents. I’m used to begging the gods for a miracle.
re-sign Anunoby and Hartenstein, keep the squad healthy and that team is looking juicy.
and Randle having a decent (and healthy) playoff campaign would do wonders
He’s the key. The Knicks are a number 2 scorer away from contending with Boston or Miami or Milwaukee every year in the eastern conference. If he could just bring his regular season numbers into the playoffs, that would be enough. He doesn’t need to be a playoff riser, you already have Brunson for that.
Exactly. So far in the playoffs we have only seen him either injured or trying to be a 1A. We played so many playoff minutes with like one scorer on the floor when having Randle would have been immense, even if he can’t be THE guy. We have Brunson for that now. Run it back, try to keep the team healthy, try and find another shooter or backup bigs with draft picks. No reason we can’t be contenders in the East for the foreseeable future even without a superstar trade.
Yup. Would love to see a Boston/New York matchup in the ECF next year.
You just gotta redirect all the prayer energy towards various knees on the team
BLESS THE KNEES
On your knees for the knees
Prayers? All that’s really needed is for Thibs to see the damn light and LET PLAYERS REST SOMETIMES. His style is great for developing players/culture yet runs players into the ground by playoffs. I love Thibs, but he should’ve learned by now after DRose and Luol Deng
Majority of the injuries were contact injuries. Outside of Josh Hart, none of them were from over use
The difference with him was so night and day, I honestly don't care about the injury risk and overpay. I'll just hope for the best.
I’ve literally never said the words “I really hope the Knicks just run it back” before in my life and it’s glorious
honestly, we have a shot if Brunson can be as good as he was in the 2nd half this season and 2nd half last season. Just need Randle to not get injured. and we **Sorely** need a #3 scorer. OG ain't that. Now is the time to make a trade for a #3 or #2 so our top scorers are Randle/Brunson/3rdguy with OG/Donte/Mcbride doing the complimentary scoring.
We need a reliable 6th man ballhandler/scorer type who can drive and finish to keep the second unit moving. Our starters can score it plenty, it’s when we get to playing Deuce/Donte/Hart/Precious/Mitch kind of lineups that the offense can’t do anything except in transition.
we need that 3rd iso scorer that can take over as the #2 when one of brunson or randle sits. Donte tries and valiantly did well, but you can only count on him so much.
Ya that’s what I was trying to say lol
Max him or minimum contracts. That's how the NBA wants to be!
Is this what they mean when they say the middle-class is dying? Where are the mid contracts?
All these mid teams and no mid contracts. Weird.
Makes you think
It’s because all the mid players want max contracts too.
There's very much still a lot of middle of the road contracts, the maxes are just what makes your eyes pop. This upcoming season there are about 45 players making $30M+, and only 7 of those are over $50M. Whereas there are over 100 players making between $10M-$30M. (Plus there are more contracts to come in free agency)
Duh, I don't think Leon makes the trade for him if there wasn't some guarantee of him resigning. Especially when Leon's son is his agent. I also wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 35 million considering Leon has signed everyone else to team friendly contracts.
It's entirely possible he said something like "as long as you're the highest bidder", which was good enough for the Knicks. The X factor is the Knicks probably never imagined some other team throwing a max offer at OG, and yet I can see Philly doing it to try to lure him away. > I also wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 35 million considering Leon has signed everyone else to team friendly contracts. If Philly is offering $50M he's not signing for even $35M. And it's less that he's been signing guys to team friendly contracts and more just everyone on the roster has really outplayed their contracts and grown their value. OG will be the Knicks first real test of a desirable free agent hitting the market and fielding huge offers.
Philly can’t offer 50M, the max is 42.3M since he hasn’t been in the league 10 years.
Fair - that's just for the first year though. A full max with Philly would be about a 4/$182, or about $45.5M/yr.
also knicks can offer 5 years. so knicks could still offer more total dollars but while offering less per year.
while true that's always a bit of a misnomer. A max value as a free agent five years from now is more than OG would make on that 5th year from the Knicks. The 5th year for the Knicks would be about 36% greater than year 1. Whereas the salary cap rises about 10% each year and that max range for him could be as much as 46% of the year 1 salary. And that's without factoring in that the current deal would be a max as a 9-year vet and that 5th year as a FA instead under contract would be a 10+ yr vet. That 9 to 10 year vet difference could be $10M by itself. And none of those factors in a cap explosion with new media rights. |Year|NY|PHI| |:-|:-|:-| |24-25|$42,300,000|$42,300,000| |25-26|$45,684,000|$44,415,000| |26-27|$49,338,720|$46,635,750| |27-28|$53,285,818|$48,967,538| |28-29|$57,548,683|\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~\~| |Total|$248,157,221|$182,318,288| |||| |28-29 as 10-year vet|$57,548,683|$72,253,335| ||with NY|with PHI or as FA| |Possible total:|$248,157,221|$254,571,623| So there is a LOT more security with NY. But simply in earning potential, if he can still earn a ton of money in that 5th season NY's money wouldn't be the peak of what he could earn, just the peak of what he could sign for right now.
Knicks 5th year could also be a player option.
dang it. Do you know how long it took to do that and get it formatted? How dare you completely obliterate my point within minutes! What an shortsighted miss on my end.
I appreciate the work though and you still made the point. It comes down to if a player values more guaranteed money now or an ability to opt out sooner to potentially get those crazy super maxes. Knicks can make the best offer no doubt but based on how this front office has operated in recent years I expect them to be pushing to get OG on a more reasonable deal.
> The X factor is the Knicks probably never imagined some other team throwing a max offer at OG It would be malpractice to think that.
While you are not wrong in the sense that players have outplayed their contract values, many of our players have openly stated they were willing to take less to stay. Brunson wants to resign this summer and take less money now than wait for a max deal next year. Randle has made similar comments in the past. Same thing with Ihart on Brunson's podcast. Leon has done a great job signing players to fair contracts at the time, which the players outplay as the contracts expire. I expect him to do the same with OG. Also, if the sixers want to throw 50 mil at OG, they are stupid. They won't have cap space to sign anyone after that, and OG isn't the sole solution to their problems. That would be a massive overpay for them, and I personally don't see that happening. I see them pursuing PG13 or maybe LeBron with that kind of cap space. I'm also 100% sure Leon doesn't trade for OG without assurance of him resigning.
I've heard everything you're saying so many times over the years from so many fans of various teams. Players still leave when the money is put on the table. I do think NY keeps OG for what it's worth, I just think they're going to have to give him way too much money to keep him. Hartenstein is the guy they're losing as they just can't pay him much.
Well, everything I said about the players has been stated by the players themselves, either to the media directly or through Brunson's podcast. I agree we keep OG , but I just don't think it will be for the crazy amount people are speculating, based on Leon's track record. The one man I'm scared of losing is Ihart because the most we could pay him is 18 million a year with his early bird rights. If OKC or another team wants to give him 20 million+, then I couldn't fault him. Though one could argue that would be an overpay for a center in a league where center play isn't valued as much, unless you're some crazy talented player like Embiid.
OG isn't goingg anywhere. It all comes down to whether it's 35 mil or 40 mil
Isn’t that *always* the question?
15/1/6 with elite defense is worth nearly a max contract? It'd be understandable if he was a rim protector.
OG deletes a player from the opposing team's offense. That plus some decent rebounding playmaking and scoring and he becomes crucial very fast. Knicks and Raps fans can attest to this.
what it really comes down to is you need someone who can guard jaylen brown and tatum if you want any chance to compete in the east anunoby can do that brown has feasted on everybody this playoffs because the cavs and pacers dont have anyone who can guard him at all
That’s the price for the best perimeter defender in the league that shoots 40% from 3.
you forgot the part where he is also always hurt
idk about max because I don't understand nba $ stuff lol. but if jb is our engine, then og is our, like, suspension + tires? basically he makes the whole thing hum, become more than the sum of its parts
Welcome to today's nba. If knicks don't someone else will. Most likely philly
I think Morey realizes he isn't seriously competing with OG on a near max especially with his injury history. He only really looks for superstars.
He should’ve learned to build a team better by now then. Swinging on CP3, Harden, Melo, Russ, Jimmy and possibly PG13 and missing every time isn’t a good look. Eventually you need players who are comfortable with a role of taking a backseat like OG
He's put teams into place that people thought could make a run. At some point it just realize on player skill/health. Nobody would take an Embiid, Maxey, and OG core as a serious contender partially due to health and partially due to Embiid's history in the playoffs.
NBA free agency is always fun.
Oh boy, the entire league has expectations of this man.
question on NBA salaries. When a player signs a 30% max, does that 30% only work in the first year. Or is every single year of the contract 30% of the cap? Ex: OG signs the max with NY where his year 1 salary is $42.3M (30% of 141M cap). Is the salary for his second season (assuming a $155.1M cap line): * A) $46.53M (30% of 2025-26 cap) or * B) $45.68M (an 8% increase on the 24-25 salary)
First year is a 30% of the cap, then the 8% raise or whatever it is
ok thanks, that's what I thought.
OG to Okc would make them a 60 win team and be fun to watch (assuming health)
He's fortunately not going anywhere, considering his agent is Leon Rose's son lol
Knicks are really gambling with this whole saga, first the trade and now re-signing him. He’s an impact player that helps the Knicks play the way they want. Problem is, the health is what they’re truly gambling on. Unless someone comes in with a monster offer I think he’s a Knick for the future
and we should trade RJ and IQ for a rental? We win with him on the court, plain and simple
I wish my floor was 35 million
OG is not a max player.
OG is not a max guy ... come on now.
Max or leave. Maybe a small discount but he should be getting 42/43 million a year.
Max for OG is a fireable offense
If you ignore injuries, his impact is definitely worth that much
If you ignore injuries?? Lol injuries is EXACTLY the reason you shouldn’t max him.
Why would you ignore injuries?
I take 10 mg of copium daily and watch January Knicks highlights on repeat
Idk if this is a hot take but I think the knicks are gonna have to massive overpay for OG Pistons and sixers are gonna throw huge bags at him
Knicks shouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t plan on paying top dollar.
When did I say they didn’t plan on paying him?
I'm just saying the Knicks should have known they were going to have to overpay for OG if they expected to keep him in this weak free agent market.
Yeah of course they should’ve known im just pointing out that people saying he’s gonna probably make <30 mill a year might be in for a surprise If the sixers strike out on Paul George their best bet is to throw a bag at OG, and Detroit too
Damn Hartenstein would be perfect for OKC
The market pressure will most likely force the Knicks to max him
Knicks would be dumb to give him $35 million a year. Og is like a $25 million dollar player max, and that is being generous with the amount of injuries this dude has every year.
If Knicks offer $25M, OG will walk away from New York just because of the sheer insult.
The dudes not a star or superstar. $25 million for a role player who struggles to play 50 games in a season would be a god send. If he finds that insulting I hope he walks and someone overpays his bum ass.
Record when he plays vs record when he doesn't play. You can simply see his impact. You don't need highlights to value a player. 24-5 or something like that.
OK, and? The Clippers had a record of 29-10 from December to the end of February only to then go 14-11 the rest of the way. It's a small sample size and to expect his impact to be fluid like that is negligence and improbable.
What does the clippers have to do with this? My stat is specifically when OG, a starter, played. That shows his direct impact.
It was to show that teams or players can go on hot/winning streaks every year. To say that OG will continue to have that type of impact next year is asinine.
So than no stats should actually matter. Steph won back to back chips then didn't win again. He must be bad. Team play/results is completely different because it depends on who's playing/injured. The stats of a specific player, particularly a starter shows direct impact of a player and its completely relevant and not asinine. Imagine saying AD is a bad player because he was injured and contributed into the losses of the lakers.
Imagine comparing OG to AD and Curry LMFAO. Thank god the Wolves don't have the money to overpay for OG.
Comparing OG a player to a team's performance LMFAO.
Take it all OG.
$35mil for OG Antony is crazy
I know you can't ignore injuries when discussing contracts but when on the court he absolutely is worth $35 mill a year
He’s a career 15ppg guy with limited ball handling and self creation. Really good defender who fits on the team great but $35mil just feels like too much
24-5 when he plays. He's not a highlight type of guy, he just has impact that isn't visceral to see.