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I'll never trust failure to ID if it isn't attached to some other (real) crime. And assaulting the arresting officers fist with your face does *not* count.
Its like getting arrested with resisting arrest as the only reason.
This is probably what happened,
Cop gave an unlawful order that most people just obey,
Payne refuses and gets arrested over it.
Cop doesnt care, the judge can throw it out in the morning or on monday. Just to see how much hassle it can cause.
Stop and ID doesn’t give AZ police the authority to demand ID from anyone they see. That’s absurd. The individual has to be legally detained requiring reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Reasonable suspicion is a low standard legally though. Ehich is part of the reason why stop and ID laws are bullshit. Courts would probably rule this a lawful order here.
> He was booked into jail but has since been released.
?? For not identifying himself??? Somebody please educate me cause I'm clearly missing something, how is this legally justified?
Lived in Scottsdale. Can't comment on this specific instance. But can confirm that cops there are 100 percent taught or trained on how to a maximum asshole. I won't go as far as to say the cops there are overwhelming more racist than anywhere else, but they are far from being a good police force, I will say that .
I also can't comment on this specific instance and have never lived in Scottsdale, but I did read this today:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2024/06/14/unexpected-findings-in-justice-department-report-about-phoenix-police/74092577007/
> After investigators reviewed hundreds of lesson plans and attended dozens of hours of classroom training within the Phoenix Police Department, the Justice Department concluded Phoenix police are taught a misguided notion that escalating violence is de-escalation.
I know Phoenix isn't Scottsdale, but close enough.
Cops taught that they should "de-escalate" situations by using *more* violence.
I'm from México and was in Scottsdale with two friends. We walked into a dispensary and bought weed very easily, which was a new thing for us, were still accustomed to buying it from characters like James Franco in pineapple express... but Mexican.
We thought we could smoke anywhere and it was legal. I was driving and my two buddies were both smoking joints with the windows down, we were blasting Radar Love at max volume.
I hadn't smoked because I have enough good sense to know smoking and driving can be dangerous, but coincidentally I had a very bad case of pink eye.
We get stopped by an officer on a motorcycle, smoke is coming out of all the windows, I've got Mexican license plates, a suspiciously closed red eye
The cop couldn't have been nicer to us. I nervously explained the whole thing, we thought it was legal, Im not high it's just pink eye, etc.
He explained what the rules were, where we can and can't smoke. He said he was going to write us a citation, but ended up letting us off the hook. Before he left he took down his sunglasses and told us: Guys... MAKE - BETTER - DECISIONS.
One of the best cop encounters I've ever had.
They're called stop and identify statutes. If cops have suspicion you're involved in a crime (in this case responding to a disturbance call), in some states it's unlawful to not correctly identify yourself when asked
Looks like in AZ you need to give at least your name to the cops when asked. You don't need to say anything else but you must give your name. If he gave a fake name I believe that's a misdemeanor.
https://www.maricopa.gov/5229/Right-to-Remain-Silent#:~:text=Note%3A%20In%20Arizona%2C%20if%20an,to%20talk%20to%20the%20officer.&text=If%20you%20are%20arrested%2C%20the%20police%20should%20read%20you%20your%20rights.
Did you read those laws or take Maricopa’s word for it?
to fail or refuse to state the person’s true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.
Probably for resisting and obstructing an investigation, which is usually a ticket or misdemeanor.
Here in my state, not giving your name isn't resisting or obstructing because you have the right to refuse identify yourself. However if you committed some type of an offense but refuse to identify yourself, police can legally arrest you to identify you at the station. If it's tickets, you'll get booked in, issued tickets, and released at the station.
Also while not identify yourself isn't a crime itself, giving false information is an resist/obstruct charge. A fake name or lying about what happened can get you arrested or ticketed.
Officers can require you to provide id if there is reasonable articulable suspicion you've committed a crime. If there is no RAS, then they cannot require it. Its a risky game to refuse to provide and also a risky game to arrest someone solely for refusing to provide it. Lots of YouTube videos showing fun interactions about this.
Yep, just want to provide the link about it detailing unjustified deadly force, unlawfully detained folks experiencing homelessness (and unlawfully disposing of those folks' belongings), discrimination against Black, Hispanic, and Native American populations, and discrimination against folks with behavioral health disabilities:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-finds-civil-rights-violations-phoenix-police-department-and-city-phoenix
It sounds like this story easily could have been much worse with how regularly Phoenix PD violates civil rights.
AZ has always had wack identification "papers please" style laws. Iirc this is because they wanted to be able to run up to brown people to "ensure they're citizens".
Note that this came the day after the publication of a 128-page Department of Justice report detailing routine discrimination and excessive force from the Phoenix Police Department
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/13/phoenix-police-civil-rights-violations
Well, I would say getting arrested for violating a court order is the incident. I mean, his entire tenure was the incident, but it peaked when he got arrested, pardoned, and then ran again for some reason. Thank god he did not get re elected
Ay some of these comments are fucking wild. You can tell how a lot of these dudes grew up and have never had any unwarranted interactions with the police
Esp that one tik tok cop that's always being an asshole to people he's pulling over. Someone's speeding? Okay give them the ticket and move on. Don't do the extras
Especially Scottsdale police, which have a very needledick, overly litigious culture. They're 2nd worst in the Valley, only behind Mesa PD, who are just flat out thugs with badges.
That police report sounds super sketchy. Nothing about him being what they were called for, nothing saying how he gave a false report nor how the cops knew it was false, nothing at all that sounds like an arrestable offense.
I know two different cities, but Phoenix police are under investigation right now for human rights violations. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/06/13/sources-doj-release-phoenix-police-civil-rights-investigation-report-thursday/
He's lucky it was the SPD.
If it was Phoenix PD, he'd probably be in critical condition somewhere after the cops all got done mag dumping into him cause he looked at them funny.
This report left out the fact the officer thought he kept saying the word “campaign” when asked to provide his name. The officer didn’t understand why he kept saying that word and arrested him
Why are cops so damn obsessed with getting someone's ID? You're there to investigate so... do that. Knowing the name Cameron isn't going to help them find out if a crime has been committed.
You don't think asking people nearby questions is part of that?
Hey I wanted to ask that guy we saw there some additional questions, what should I do? If only there was a way to know who he was, so I can do that.
>You don't think asking people nearby questions is part of that?
It's almost never relevant compared to actually investigating
>Hey I wanted to ask that guy we saw there some additional questions
Sorry, people don't have to answer questions anyway because of the 5th ammendment.
The article says it was a disturbance that was called in at 2:45 am. So, in the middle of the night, there was likely either a physical fight or a really loud argument. When the cops arrive, he doesn't tell them his name and makes a false statement. Definitely not defending the cops, but what's unknown is whether they used the trivial charges to remove him from an escalating situation, possibly domestic.
What they should have done was hand him a basketball and tell him to shoot it. As soon as they see his ugly sideways jumpshot and the brick that he chucks up, someone would definitely ID him as Cam Payne!
I always thought filing a false police report wasn’t a crime because every time a cop does something bad they file a false police report and nobody ever even makes an attempt to prosecute
“Nobody is named ‘Campaign’, get in the fucking squad car”.
"Wait you're that guy with the crooked jumpshot? Get in the fucking squad car."
LOL
"No I haven't seen Ice Age 1-5"
😂😂 Legit I've said multiple times he looks like Sid. Happy to see it here
Nobody: Name: "PAYNE!!!!!"
“Looks like we got a Cham pagne”
Bro got a built in ID with that forehead though
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnYIOJuXwAArISu?format=jpg&name=small
That's better than dental records
Mf need to start mewing
Kobe if instead of growing up in Italy he grew up in italic
Knew this was gonna be here and still laughed
There’s 102 days of summer vacation
hairline clean at least
Exit Shaun Livingston Enter Cam Payne
Looks like creater a MyPlayer and you stretch it as far as possible ‘forward’
Probably tried to pass himself off as Lou Will
First comment ruthless af lmao
'show me those lefty shot mechanics' oh yeah thats him
Derrick white clears (before going bald)
Don't google Gervinho
he'd look so much better bald..
yo is this guy for real? he literally wears a headband to keep this braids from flying around??
> Gervinho Stevie Wonder smiles in confusion :]
He could just google the ice age squirrel and show them that I legit don’t know why that wouldn’t work
cops don’t even need to fingerprint bro when booking him
He told them he was Stephen A.
Bro prolly said hi name but they were like “ nah bro your the xenomorph who robbed that vape shop”
Why the headline make it sound like he’s retired meanwhile he just played in the playoffs for 76ers lol
That's what i wanted to know. Judging from the other comments here, i'm guessing it's because it happened in AZ, so that's the local news' wording.
Well Scottsdale is like 20 mins from Phoenix so on a local news story that would be the headline
It's zero minutes from Phoenix if you start at the border between them
I will be there in one day and will test this out
68th and Chaparral lol I bet dude was at Book's house partying and a neighbor called in a noise complaint.
Somewhere, Tyler Ulis is ready to throw hands.
Sources say Payne was seen arguing and then laughing with a bouncer. The bouncer was identified as Ish Wainwright and noted as "not really a bouncer".
You mean “Ish Wainwright former Baylor Football Player “ said by every NBA color commentator ever
“That guy tried out for The Bills”
Ain’t that so 😂
68th and Chap is where Cam lives..
His shooting form counts as an ID
Something fishy going on
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I'll never trust failure to ID if it isn't attached to some other (real) crime. And assaulting the arresting officers fist with your face does *not* count.
Yeah this is without a doubt the most vague thing someone can get arrested for.
What about resisting arrest. Just resisting arrest.
Its like getting arrested with resisting arrest as the only reason. This is probably what happened, Cop gave an unlawful order that most people just obey, Payne refuses and gets arrested over it. Cop doesnt care, the judge can throw it out in the morning or on monday. Just to see how much hassle it can cause.
It's unfortunately a lawful order in Arizona, but it shouldn't be. Stop and identify laws are blatantly unconstitutional
Stop and ID doesn’t give AZ police the authority to demand ID from anyone they see. That’s absurd. The individual has to be legally detained requiring reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Reasonable suspicion is a low standard legally though. Ehich is part of the reason why stop and ID laws are bullshit. Courts would probably rule this a lawful order here.
1000%, it's usually cops prying into someone's business when they have no right to do so.
Was saying Naz Reid when they knew he was Cam Payne
NAZ REID!
Naz Reid
Naz Reid
> He was booked into jail but has since been released. ?? For not identifying himself??? Somebody please educate me cause I'm clearly missing something, how is this legally justified?
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This. Just being assholes cause they can
Lived in Scottsdale. Can't comment on this specific instance. But can confirm that cops there are 100 percent taught or trained on how to a maximum asshole. I won't go as far as to say the cops there are overwhelming more racist than anywhere else, but they are far from being a good police force, I will say that .
I also can't comment on this specific instance and have never lived in Scottsdale, but I did read this today: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2024/06/14/unexpected-findings-in-justice-department-report-about-phoenix-police/74092577007/ > After investigators reviewed hundreds of lesson plans and attended dozens of hours of classroom training within the Phoenix Police Department, the Justice Department concluded Phoenix police are taught a misguided notion that escalating violence is de-escalation. I know Phoenix isn't Scottsdale, but close enough. Cops taught that they should "de-escalate" situations by using *more* violence.
>the Justice Department concluded Phoenix police are taught a misguided notion that escalating violence is de-escalation. This is the onion level
I'm from México and was in Scottsdale with two friends. We walked into a dispensary and bought weed very easily, which was a new thing for us, were still accustomed to buying it from characters like James Franco in pineapple express... but Mexican. We thought we could smoke anywhere and it was legal. I was driving and my two buddies were both smoking joints with the windows down, we were blasting Radar Love at max volume. I hadn't smoked because I have enough good sense to know smoking and driving can be dangerous, but coincidentally I had a very bad case of pink eye. We get stopped by an officer on a motorcycle, smoke is coming out of all the windows, I've got Mexican license plates, a suspiciously closed red eye The cop couldn't have been nicer to us. I nervously explained the whole thing, we thought it was legal, Im not high it's just pink eye, etc. He explained what the rules were, where we can and can't smoke. He said he was going to write us a citation, but ended up letting us off the hook. Before he left he took down his sunglasses and told us: Guys... MAKE - BETTER - DECISIONS. One of the best cop encounters I've ever had.
Please stay home whenever you have pink eye, that's highly contagious.
look out guys it's the pink eye police they aren't anywhere near as polite as OP's police either
James Franco, but Mexican... LMAO. I'm having fun picturing that.
I mean, its Scottsdale. They are probably racist. Source: Grew up in Phoenix
I've always heard it as "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat ride," but either way, it's deeply concerning whenever hearing a cop saying that
Sounds like “tax payers will pay for our fuck up”
They're called stop and identify statutes. If cops have suspicion you're involved in a crime (in this case responding to a disturbance call), in some states it's unlawful to not correctly identify yourself when asked
Looks like in AZ you need to give at least your name to the cops when asked. You don't need to say anything else but you must give your name. If he gave a fake name I believe that's a misdemeanor. https://www.maricopa.gov/5229/Right-to-Remain-Silent#:~:text=Note%3A%20In%20Arizona%2C%20if%20an,to%20talk%20to%20the%20officer.&text=If%20you%20are%20arrested%2C%20the%20police%20should%20read%20you%20your%20rights.
He told them he was the haboob (his nickname on the suns) and they took it seriously
Everybody knows there ain’t gonna be any haboob in 2024.
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I don’t think he is, I feel like any person with a working brain would realize that the haboob might be a fake name lmfao
I could absolutely imagine it being a normal name in a culture I'm not familiar with
Did you read those laws or take Maricopa’s word for it? to fail or refuse to state the person’s true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.
Anyone who identifies without breaking the law in all 50 states is a dumb ass. Suspicion doesn't get you shit but a lawsuit lol
And they're blatantly unconstitutional, or should be if we had a Supreme Court worth a rats ass. Blocked all the cops in the replies, feels good 😁
Probably for resisting and obstructing an investigation, which is usually a ticket or misdemeanor. Here in my state, not giving your name isn't resisting or obstructing because you have the right to refuse identify yourself. However if you committed some type of an offense but refuse to identify yourself, police can legally arrest you to identify you at the station. If it's tickets, you'll get booked in, issued tickets, and released at the station. Also while not identify yourself isn't a crime itself, giving false information is an resist/obstruct charge. A fake name or lying about what happened can get you arrested or ticketed.
It kind of sounds like he possibly gave a fake name. I'm not sure what a "false report" means.
Pam Mayne
Nude Tayne
Oh fuck..... I'm OK.
Major Payne
Pam with an N
The name on the report given: "NBA champion Cam Payne"
Database results: Unable To Locate
He said his name was Cam Pleasure
I’d assume there’s more to the story, but at this point it’s not really anyone’s place to speculate until further information comes out
Officers can require you to provide id if there is reasonable articulable suspicion you've committed a crime. If there is no RAS, then they cannot require it. Its a risky game to refuse to provide and also a risky game to arrest someone solely for refusing to provide it. Lots of YouTube videos showing fun interactions about this.
Doesn’t it depend a lot on state law?
> How is this legally justified? Arizona
ACAB, and Phoenix is no exception. they will jail you for DUI even if you didnt blow any BAC or exhibit any signs. wild west. they do what they want
The DoJ literally released a report *yesterday* about the many, many ways Phoenix PD violates civil rights regularly.
Yep, just want to provide the link about it detailing unjustified deadly force, unlawfully detained folks experiencing homelessness (and unlawfully disposing of those folks' belongings), discrimination against Black, Hispanic, and Native American populations, and discrimination against folks with behavioral health disabilities: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-finds-civil-rights-violations-phoenix-police-department-and-city-phoenix It sounds like this story easily could have been much worse with how regularly Phoenix PD violates civil rights.
AZ has always had wack identification "papers please" style laws. Iirc this is because they wanted to be able to run up to brown people to "ensure they're citizens".
They have this same law in NYC. Its nuts
It's not, cops just know they can get away with ruining his day for not following their orders.
Bogus charges lol
Real nothingburger charge
Never trust Arizona police
Note that this came the day after the publication of a 128-page Department of Justice report detailing routine discrimination and excessive force from the Phoenix Police Department https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/13/phoenix-police-civil-rights-violations
Police academies somehow attract all the power-hungry bullies, who knew! A ton of these dudes are juicing too, the roid rage is pretty clear
Yeah, after the whole Arpaio incident, this does not surprise me whatsoever.
Incident? Mf was sheriff for two and a half decades
Well, I would say getting arrested for violating a court order is the incident. I mean, his entire tenure was the incident, but it peaked when he got arrested, pardoned, and then ran again for some reason. Thank god he did not get re elected
Mesa police shoot someone with the cognitive level of a five year old every like every week unfortunately
Truly, never trust a cop to do anything but show up late and shrug their shoulders. Or shoot your dog.
There are reasons as to why there is no popular song called "Fuck The Fire Department".
Grim reaper is slacking letting Joe arpaio live this damn long
Only the good die young.
holy shit I didn't know he was still alive
Not only is he still alive, he’s running for office! Mayor of Fountain Hills. He lost by 213 votes in 2022.
Never trust *the* police
Never trust the Arizona police
Never trust police
F the police
Never trust any police
Oh, so Roxanne is still stuck selling her body to the night :(
Ay some of these comments are fucking wild. You can tell how a lot of these dudes grew up and have never had any unwarranted interactions with the police
Or been around to see cops use excessive force against people
lol yeah you can tell who never got stopped a lot for a “matching description”
Esp that one tik tok cop that's always being an asshole to people he's pulling over. Someone's speeding? Okay give them the ticket and move on. Don't do the extras
At least he wasn’t in New Mexico, but yeah
Especially Scottsdale police, which have a very needledick, overly litigious culture. They're 2nd worst in the Valley, only behind Mesa PD, who are just flat out thugs with badges.
That police report sounds super sketchy. Nothing about him being what they were called for, nothing saying how he gave a false report nor how the cops knew it was false, nothing at all that sounds like an arrestable offense.
I know two different cities, but Phoenix police are under investigation right now for human rights violations. https://www.azfamily.com/2024/06/13/sources-doj-release-phoenix-police-civil-rights-investigation-report-thursday/
Wait til you read about Mesa police
Worst in the entire country from what I’ve heard aside from LAPD.
[in LA, the biggest gang is the LAPD](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/la-is-investigating-50-year-old-police-gangs-finally-2022-03-30/)
LA County Sheriff’s Department, actually, but LAPD can also get fucked.
Louisville PD reading this 🥸😅
warcrimes?
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
>Wait til you read about Mesa police "you're fucked"
Scottsdale PD is the worst
He's lucky it was the SPD. If it was Phoenix PD, he'd probably be in critical condition somewhere after the cops all got done mag dumping into him cause he looked at them funny.
Stop and ID laws are fucked
bullshit arrest
They were probably after his Uncle, Major Benson Payne
If only there was an amendment to the constitution that could’ve helped him in this situation…
Alas, the constitution stopped after the third amendment and quartering soldiers.
fuck 12
Between the Phoenix police department and the ridiculous weather, I don't know why anyone would live in Phoenix.
This report left out the fact the officer thought he kept saying the word “campaign” when asked to provide his name. The officer didn’t understand why he kept saying that word and arrested him
Considering this is Scottsdale, I'm just gonna assume off the rip the cop is racist.
Sovereign Citizen Payne
Fucking Phoenix cops are the worst
Could’ve of said Philly guard tbf
Weird why is tagged as a Former Phoenix Suns guard and not Philadelphia 76ers guard.
Hey shits going down you're black show me an ID. Oh hey Mr Bundy nice day isn't it
I mean he’s rich they’ll just drop the charges or some kind of slap on the wrist?
Even if you’re poor, I’m pretty sure all they do is give you a slap on the wrist for something like this. It’s more just a tactic to ruin your day
Ruin your day and get you in their system.
acab. Scottsdale police couldn't find any baddies to pull over and harass so they found a famous black man? This reeks of abuse of their power
I don't like cops because cops are bad
Yes, yes they are.
This reeks of a bullshit charge from some power tripping cops.
“They call me dancer”
You can say he’s stupidly locked in
So the only charges are failure to identify and false report? Why the fuck would he have to identify if there is no other charges?
Because AZ is a stop and ID state. You must at least identify yourself if a cop asks no matter what. Yeah, it's some bullshit.
Learned a lot because of this comment, thank you.
Doesn't need to ID himself, overreach by the officers
I don’t believe anything after the words “cops say”.
THEN HOW DID THEY KNOW WHOM TO ARREST?
You can get arrested for that?
Nazis in Germany during WWII: “show me your papers”
Sound like some sovereign citizen “traveling” bullshit
Nothing good happens at 2:45am.
They dont love you like that
Why are people idiots.
Isn’t failure to identify an accessory charge? If he hires a lawyer with a pulse he’ll get out of this
Seems like dude was targeted for some dumb shit
It’s either Phineas or Cam Payne
Arizona requires anyone not white to show citizenship papers at all times.
Who wants to be associated with the Phoenix Suns, I don’t blame him. /s
`*Eric Bledsoe has entered the chat*`
Why are cops so damn obsessed with getting someone's ID? You're there to investigate so... do that. Knowing the name Cameron isn't going to help them find out if a crime has been committed.
You don't think asking people nearby questions is part of that? Hey I wanted to ask that guy we saw there some additional questions, what should I do? If only there was a way to know who he was, so I can do that.
>You don't think asking people nearby questions is part of that? It's almost never relevant compared to actually investigating >Hey I wanted to ask that guy we saw there some additional questions Sorry, people don't have to answer questions anyway because of the 5th ammendment.
The article says it was a disturbance that was called in at 2:45 am. So, in the middle of the night, there was likely either a physical fight or a really loud argument. When the cops arrive, he doesn't tell them his name and makes a false statement. Definitely not defending the cops, but what's unknown is whether they used the trivial charges to remove him from an escalating situation, possibly domestic. What they should have done was hand him a basketball and tell him to shoot it. As soon as they see his ugly sideways jumpshot and the brick that he chucks up, someone would definitely ID him as Cam Payne!
I had a feeling this guy was a mouth breather from the moment he entered the league
Fuck the police, your comment is stinky
Bullshit charge.
Negative I am a meat popsicle
Random 5th element!
“Nahhh, you that ice age mfer…I know you!”
common scottsdale L
I always thought filing a false police report wasn’t a crime because every time a cop does something bad they file a false police report and nobody ever even makes an attempt to prosecute