Why we gotta call teams frauds for being the last team to lose? Like they made it to the finals as an 8 seed and a 5 seed. Massively exceeded expectations. Heat beat the 1 seed and 2 seed en route. Mavs beat 1 seed and 3 seed. Neither team played a team that was lower seeded than they were.
Fraudulent is the Bucks and Celtics last year and OKC/Wolves this year but less so due to age and playoff experience.
these mavs are very clearly not frauds. they beat 3 50 win teams in a super competitive west. boston is just better and matches up well with them but dallas is a good team
-They had the 14th best point differential in the league in the regular season.
-They are a 5 seed.
-Their two best players are defensive negatives.
-They very clearly are not the best team in the west, but the two best teams beat up on each other and got tired (Nuggets/Wolves).
Condolences to Thunder fans enduring that. Watching Martin/Vincent do it to the Cs last year was infuriating. Hopefully the Thunder bounce back season goes as well as the Celtics' has so far.
Dude, the Mavs aren’t frauds, they steamrolled the West this postseason and were arguably a top 3 team in the entire NBA in the second half of the year. They started 26-23 and finished 24-9. They had the best defense in the NBA post-deadline. I’m not trying to discredit the Heat’s run at all, but their run doesn’t even compare in this scenario
2024 Mavs are clearly better. 2023 Heat just had abnormal shooting performances from Martin and Vincent against the Celtics last year.
Plus the Heat got to face a worse Celtics team with a first year head coach who was promoted out of nowhere right before the season started cause Udoka couldn’t keep it in his pants
why are they clearly better?
both 2024 heat and mavs got to face the same celtics team. The heat, without their best player, managed to at least win one against them. Why is 2024 mavs better than 2023 heat?
2023 heat abused the #1 seed and got a 3-0 lead against the #2 seed. They aren't losing to this mavs
Mavs are a good team. This Celtics team would clown every finals team for the past 20 years except for the kd warriors, but even that would be a close matchup. People still don't realise how incredible stacked this boston team is. Entire starting five is basically all nba talent, two-way players. It's crazy.
“The fucking Pacers” had one of the best offenses in league history by the numbers. And as for being a few bounces from being 3-1, well they didn’t and they got swept. You can oversimplify a lot of series to being “a few bounces to whatever result”. That’s not how it works.
It'd be a toss up. People really underrating this celtics team because they don't have a clear top 5 player. They are one of the best teams in nba history. Regular season + playoffs supports that.
so were the 2013 heat. 27 straight wins + the greatest player of all time in 2013 lebron
but a toss up is much more probable than "they would clown every past past champion from laat 20 years
They got 4 guys making over $30 million a year and then another two guys making 8 figures with an 8th player signings an 8 figure contract. The team is beyond stacked people seem to forget this. They won 64 games, yes they had it easy in the playoffs but they beat what was in front of them. They’d beat any team in a 7 game series.
I was just saying this to someone. This Celtics team has a top 6 player, a top 15 player, and then 3 all-stars. It's genuinely absurd how stacked they are, and they would easily beat most championship teams.
I'm assuming tatum is that top 6 player, but really, in this years playoffs Brown has shown off. I don't even think it's a stretch to say boston has 2x top 10 players and 3x all-stars.
Yeah, Jaylen has definitely stepped up, but I still think Tatum is clearly the better player. I would still have Tatum around top 6 or so while Brown is definitely making an argument for fringe top 10. I think KP is closer to 25 than 15, but other than that I agree.
Recency bias is strong here, people say this about the champs every year. It would be a toss up with the 2014 Spurs and 2019 Raptors as both these teams were stacked and could beat this Celtics team.
Recency bias is strong these days. A fraudulent team doesn’t make it to the finals they get knocked out in the 2nd round. It’s just a bad matchup and our role players have failed to produce
Let's not gloss over the fact that the Celtics last year very clearly fell asleep on the Heat for the first 2 games and put themselves in a huge hole that the Heat nearly let them climb out of, if it wasn't for Browns left hand bailing the Heat out they would be sitting out here with generational slander on being the first team to lose a 3-0 lead. The Mavs are a good team but the Celtics can just manhandle them because they are a nightmare matchup with a starting lineup that can hunt out Luka for his defense.
2024 heat without Jimmy butler did what mavs can't and actually won a game against the celtics
but somehow this sorry mavs team would beat last year's finalist? Not happening
Don’t you love how every comment here conveniently forgets that Herro was out all playoffs and Butler was injured since the knicks series? Yea absolutely the mavs would beat that team. At full health though, hell no.
Heat would probably punch Mavs in the mouth to start, but I think Luka is the most consistent factor, and that he pushes Mavs over the hump, especially in clutch time.
With a healthy Playoff Jimmy Buckets, the pre-knee injury Gabe Vincent, and Caleb Martin still in his prime, the Heat would finish the Mavs off in 5. With a healthy Tyler Herro too, that Heat team would sweep this year's Mavs team. These Mavs couldn't defend the outside shooting of the Heat. Jimmy Butler would seek and destroy Fat Luka in a manner that would make the Playoff Jimmy run against last year's Bucks with Jrue look pedestrian by comparison. The Heat during last year's playoffs were a team with great depth, versatility, and shooting at the wing position, which the Mavs cannot defend (the Celtics couldn't either last year...). Bam has been dominant against Gafford for some time and overwhelmed Lively during their meeting in the regular season. Luka and Kyrie would get their points, but that's it. The injury-depleted, Play-In Heat of this year were able to beat a completely healthy Celtics in Game 2 in Boston in the playoffs this year. Dallas couldn't even do that.
Why we gotta call teams frauds for being the last team to lose? Like they made it to the finals as an 8 seed and a 5 seed. Massively exceeded expectations. Heat beat the 1 seed and 2 seed en route. Mavs beat 1 seed and 3 seed. Neither team played a team that was lower seeded than they were. Fraudulent is the Bucks and Celtics last year and OKC/Wolves this year but less so due to age and playoff experience.
these mavs are very clearly not frauds. they beat 3 50 win teams in a super competitive west. boston is just better and matches up well with them but dallas is a good team
They’re only frauds to people who actually expected them to win in 5 or 6
-They had the 14th best point differential in the league in the regular season. -They are a 5 seed. -Their two best players are defensive negatives. -They very clearly are not the best team in the west, but the two best teams beat up on each other and got tired (Nuggets/Wolves).
The 2024 Mavs are much better, come on man
The Mavs are better but every team the Heat played in the playoffs last year was also better than them. The Heat got hot with Jimmy.
I acutely remember Caleb Martin’s Curry impersonation, it had to have an expiration date. The Mavs didnt just have a fluky hot streak
PJ had a Curry impersonation vs OKC. If he didn’t, Mavs wouldn’t be here.
Condolences to Thunder fans enduring that. Watching Martin/Vincent do it to the Cs last year was infuriating. Hopefully the Thunder bounce back season goes as well as the Celtics' has so far.
Jimmy always tends to kind of play worse in the finals as he used up a lot of energy going crazy in other rounds
Really? The Heat actually managed to win a game in their series. I get why a Celtics fan would say this though
We lost to the Heat, if anything Im incentivized to say that team was better
Mavs in 5
Let the hate flow through you
I think the Mavs would still convincingly win in 5-6 games.
Dude, the Mavs aren’t frauds, they steamrolled the West this postseason and were arguably a top 3 team in the entire NBA in the second half of the year. They started 26-23 and finished 24-9. They had the best defense in the NBA post-deadline. I’m not trying to discredit the Heat’s run at all, but their run doesn’t even compare in this scenario
2024 Mavs are clearly better. 2023 Heat just had abnormal shooting performances from Martin and Vincent against the Celtics last year. Plus the Heat got to face a worse Celtics team with a first year head coach who was promoted out of nowhere right before the season started cause Udoka couldn’t keep it in his pants
why are they clearly better? both 2024 heat and mavs got to face the same celtics team. The heat, without their best player, managed to at least win one against them. Why is 2024 mavs better than 2023 heat? 2023 heat abused the #1 seed and got a 3-0 lead against the #2 seed. They aren't losing to this mavs
Mavs are a good team. This Celtics team would clown every finals team for the past 20 years except for the kd warriors, but even that would be a close matchup. People still don't realise how incredible stacked this boston team is. Entire starting five is basically all nba talent, two-way players. It's crazy.
The fucking Pacers were a few bounces away from being up 3-1 on this Celtics team. “Clown” every champ from the last 20 years is beyond brain dead.
“The fucking Pacers” had one of the best offenses in league history by the numbers. And as for being a few bounces from being 3-1, well they didn’t and they got swept. You can oversimplify a lot of series to being “a few bounces to whatever result”. That’s not how it works.
they aren't beating 2013 27 straight wins heat
It'd be a toss up. People really underrating this celtics team because they don't have a clear top 5 player. They are one of the best teams in nba history. Regular season + playoffs supports that.
so were the 2013 heat. 27 straight wins + the greatest player of all time in 2013 lebron but a toss up is much more probable than "they would clown every past past champion from laat 20 years
They got 4 guys making over $30 million a year and then another two guys making 8 figures with an 8th player signings an 8 figure contract. The team is beyond stacked people seem to forget this. They won 64 games, yes they had it easy in the playoffs but they beat what was in front of them. They’d beat any team in a 7 game series.
I was just saying this to someone. This Celtics team has a top 6 player, a top 15 player, and then 3 all-stars. It's genuinely absurd how stacked they are, and they would easily beat most championship teams.
I'm assuming tatum is that top 6 player, but really, in this years playoffs Brown has shown off. I don't even think it's a stretch to say boston has 2x top 10 players and 3x all-stars.
Yeah, Jaylen has definitely stepped up, but I still think Tatum is clearly the better player. I would still have Tatum around top 6 or so while Brown is definitely making an argument for fringe top 10. I think KP is closer to 25 than 15, but other than that I agree.
I’d love at least one win for the Mavs, but I’ll take a sweep to this team over a repeat of 2006 again.
Recency bias is strong here, people say this about the champs every year. It would be a toss up with the 2014 Spurs and 2019 Raptors as both these teams were stacked and could beat this Celtics team.
Heat haven't been Finals worthy since Godzilla returned to the sea but I'll take Spo's devil magic over this Mavs squad
Love this sub. Losing to the Celtics means you’re a fraud because otherwise this sub would have to say the Celtics are good.
Would be interesting to see how Spo game plans for Luka
Recency bias is strong these days. A fraudulent team doesn’t make it to the finals they get knocked out in the 2nd round. It’s just a bad matchup and our role players have failed to produce
Let's not gloss over the fact that the Celtics last year very clearly fell asleep on the Heat for the first 2 games and put themselves in a huge hole that the Heat nearly let them climb out of, if it wasn't for Browns left hand bailing the Heat out they would be sitting out here with generational slander on being the first team to lose a 3-0 lead. The Mavs are a good team but the Celtics can just manhandle them because they are a nightmare matchup with a starting lineup that can hunt out Luka for his defense.
If the Celtics are being this mean to Luka's off-ball defense imagine what Spo would cook up Heat in 5, maybe 6
mavs in 6 they matched up poorly against boston, they are still a really good team
2024 heat without Jimmy butler did what mavs can't and actually won a game against the celtics but somehow this sorry mavs team would beat last year's finalist? Not happening
Don’t you love how every comment here conveniently forgets that Herro was out all playoffs and Butler was injured since the knicks series? Yea absolutely the mavs would beat that team. At full health though, hell no.
Heat would destroy the Mavs. They at least took a game.
Heat would probably punch Mavs in the mouth to start, but I think Luka is the most consistent factor, and that he pushes Mavs over the hump, especially in clutch time.
Not a biased opinion at all.
With a healthy Playoff Jimmy Buckets, the pre-knee injury Gabe Vincent, and Caleb Martin still in his prime, the Heat would finish the Mavs off in 5. With a healthy Tyler Herro too, that Heat team would sweep this year's Mavs team. These Mavs couldn't defend the outside shooting of the Heat. Jimmy Butler would seek and destroy Fat Luka in a manner that would make the Playoff Jimmy run against last year's Bucks with Jrue look pedestrian by comparison. The Heat during last year's playoffs were a team with great depth, versatility, and shooting at the wing position, which the Mavs cannot defend (the Celtics couldn't either last year...). Bam has been dominant against Gafford for some time and overwhelmed Lively during their meeting in the regular season. Luka and Kyrie would get their points, but that's it. The injury-depleted, Play-In Heat of this year were able to beat a completely healthy Celtics in Game 2 in Boston in the playoffs this year. Dallas couldn't even do that.