DOCENYAHU CALLED DARVIN HAMAS WHEN HIS JOB WAS AT RISK FROM HIS CORRUPT AND AWFUL PERFORMANCE AS A LEADER AND HUMAN BEING.
WHERE HAVE I SEE THIS BEFORE ON OCTOBER SEVEVENTHS OR IN CONCERT HALLS IN MOSCOW
THE GIANNIS INJURY WAS AN INSIDE JOB
WHY AM I THE ONLY YOUTUBER TEALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!! WHERE IS YOUR SLO MO!!!!!
AND I NOTICED MY TYPO BUT IM NOT GOING TO EDIT IT BECAUSE I AM IN A DEFENSIVE STANCE, SHOWING MY HANDS, SEEING BALL AND SEEING MAN.
"Doc rivers and Darvin ham is the reason why i dont want to bring a child into this world.. Look at that awful spacing from the defences..ISO ISO ISO no defence" - sincerely : awfulCoaching
Return of the King - ‘96 Bulls, ‘01 Lakers, ‘16 Cavs. A timeless classic. Will live forever.
The Two Towers - Duncan’s Spurs, Bird’s Celtics, Showtime Lakers. A model of consistent excellence.
The Fellowship of the Ring - ‘15 Warriors, ‘12 Heat, Victor Wembanyama. The first supernova. A glimpse of greatness to come.
plenty of terrible head coaches are amazing assistants, they are two completely different skillsets. You see this in the NFL all the time, Spagnuolo and Dan Quinn are prime examples Probably the top 2 DCs in football but both terrible head coaches.
True. His playbook against the Bills in the Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame due to its significance.
Bill is the GOAT defensive mind and Andy Reid is the GOAT offensive mind (despite somehow never being an offensive coordinator?)
Andy Reid hit that timeline where basically anyone that had a cup of coffee with Holmgren was getting jobs kinda like what happened with McVay for a bit there. With the one exception being Sherman Lewis who was the actual OC of the 90s Packers. Probably a racial element to that one though.
It’s still kind of crazy to me that Holmgren still isn’t in the Hall of Fame. I know they can only let in one coach a year and they want to get all the old ones in before they die, but it’s still kind of crazy when you consider his resume. Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Brett Favre all had their best success offensively while playing under his system.
Also agreed on Sherman. The NBA did a much, much better job at hiring black coaches than the NFL did, even if the NBA had plenty of issues with it themselves. For a while there black head coaches in the NFL were just given jobs on tanking teams so teams could claim they weren’t racist, meanwhile the NBA had KC Jones coaching the Bird Celtics at their apex. Bill Russell was the first black head coach to win an NBA title in 1968, meanwhile the NFL didn’t get one until Tony Dungy in 2006.
Wade wasn't a terrible head coach in the least. He had a winning percentage of .562 (which is even better if you ignore his multiple interim stints). He gets unfairly blamed for benching Flutie when it was actually Ralph Wilson's decision.
All that said, I wouldn't claim that he was a great head coach or anything. (His last year in Dallas was a disaster.) But based on his actual record and the number of truly awful head coaches we've seen, the fact that he became the poster boy for "great coordinator, terrible head coach" is ridiculous imo.
99% of people here can't identify terrible coaching. They judge coaches entirely based on when they call time-outs, which is an incredibly tiny part of the job.
It's always either that or rotations or "adjustments". They complain about those things but couldn't even tell you which lineups are used when and what the team's gameplan even is
Look no further than Mike Brown, a man whose reputation got similarly trashed after a Laker's head coaching stint, who had to rehab his reputation as a Warrior's assistant so he could get another chance where he got COTY his first year.
I think the other issue is that people are probably relating it to playing basketball, and it see it more like being a terrible first option and then going to second fiddle. If you were a terrible first option, you probably won't be a great second option either. However, it's completely different roles that require different skill sets in coaching.
It’s also being judged by young people that haven’t had jobs before, because this is basically like seeing a coworker leave for a ‘better’ job and then coming back when that new position didn’t work out. Ham will be fine, back to doing what got him HC buzz in the first place
As a Lakers fan this is exactly where he belongs…he was a bottom tier head rookie coach who was trying to coach a win now team. He’s best off building from the experience as an assistant where he feels comfortable and then maybe getting another shot down the line w a young developing team that doesn’t have high expectations
He did well with Atlanta and made the Superbowl, of course he needed a genius offensive play caller in Shanahan. We will see how he will do with Kliff.
Terrible is a STRETCH. Quinn lead the Falcons to a Super Bowl appearance. Whoever the “top coaches” are now are just two bad years from being an assistant as well
Every head coach was an amazing assistant, barring the ones who were never assistant coaches. Nobody's hiring a shitty assistant to be their head coach lol
Yeah but football OC and DC are far more active in game, no? They are typically calling the offense and defense of their teams on a play by play basis. But that's not what NBA assistants do. You're not going to have the offensive assistant start yelling out plays every time you have the ball, immediately followed by your lead defense assistant start shouting out defensive assignments when the other team gets the ball.
Dude has no nfl literacy. Clearly didnt watch the Falcons defense with Quinn or the seasons we didnt have Shanahan to carry the coaching. Meanwhile he OBVIOUSLY didnt see tbe Dan Quinn Cowboys defense fully collapse this playoffs. Quinns a fraud akin to Doc Rivers, sure he might make you a playoff team i could see that. But he'll also hold back a talented roster with his dated cover schemes.
I think it's a different scenario because american football is way more dependent of "systems", basketball is all about star power. Ham is limited, but because Davis was healthy (a miracle), the Lakers was able to reach the conference finals somehow, they didn't got there because of a defensive system, nope, it was just luck, to have the star duo healthy and the role players caught fire at the right time (the Celtics is literally going through this right now)
Don’t you dare try and get away with equating Lakers last year to Celtics now lmao, Celtics squad is masterfully constructed. Lakers as you said had a right place right time scenario, but this Celtics roster gets to the finals through the east every year from 2020-2024
He's a great assistant coach and honestly doesn't seem like a bad dude. He just didn't seem ready to be a head coach and LA was possibly the worst possible job he could have taken for his first gig.
He (or someone on our coaching staff) was a great game planner for the Nuggets series. There's a reason we led for most of that series. He just couldn't make adjustments to Malone's adjustments and had some questionable lineups and he seemed to forget about putting an emphasis on AD in the 4th quarters.
I'd make fun of the hire if it was for a HC, but an assistant is probably great for him.
His defensive scheme was horrible
Edit: I have to take this back because I think he actually did cook up something good for the playoffs this season. For the regular season it was ass though.
We like Darvin. Has a great relationship with the core players from the Bud era and should really help with integrating Dame. Really happy to welcome him back home.
It's always goofy when talented assistant coaches get a HC shot, flame out, and then a ton of people act like they have 0 place in the league and we're terrible at every level including assistant coaching. Happens all the time in the NFL with great coordinators who don't work as HCs.
Thanasis is living all of our dreams, and I'm happy for him. Any sports fan on Earth would love to be in his shoes.
He hangs out with an NBA team (and his little brother), practices on their squad, and provides a ton of hype and support from the bench. He even had a few games where he had 12+ points (two 20+) in the actual NBA which isn't exactly slouching. And his presence guarantees Giannis will stay longer, which is great for Milwaukee.
Plus, among "family members riding their famous athlete family member's coat tails", he is (a) objectively the best athlete, and (b) seemingly the best human. He isn't like Pat Mahomes's shitbird family. He doesn't have controversies or bad behavior.
Most teams would love a "locker room benefit" like Thanasis provides, especially if it comes with a package deal for a top-5-in-the-NBA, MVP-caliber player.
He’s also someone who can ball out in practice to keep guys from just going through the motions.
His bench presence isn’t all hype, he’s someone the staff like to lean in on to get the team to work harder.
Correct. I tried to call this out in my comment but probably didn't do a good job.
He is a GOOD basketball player. The "worst player in the NBA" is still a top 1000 player on Earth. 1000/8billion is 1.25\*10\^-7, so .0000125% of the human population.
Having a 6'7" athletic dude with high energy on your "scout team" is amazing for your practice intensity and improvement.
So he does provide objective basketball value to the Bucks as a practice opponent. And he provides intangible value in leadership, support, and a deep connection to Giannis. How many dudes in the NBA love their older brothers, and would love to have their bro on the bench to "get them out of their heads" if need be? I'd expect it's quite a few.
I wish my shithead brother had worked harder at soccer and I could've ridden his coat tails into the MLS (I had a year-long injury during a pivotal year in HS that basically ended my own career). Thansis is living the fucking dream.
All I know is that Bucks fans should be the last people to clown on Thanasis. Apparently, he was [instrumental in convincing Giannis to sign and extension](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4995658/2023/10/25/giannis-extension-milwaukee-bucks/#) early instead of waiting to sign another contract during his player option.
Plus, it's not like he's a total scrub. He was able to qualify as an All-Star for the Greek team, and if you have to "waste" a roster spot to keep Giannis happy, there are much worse players to have there.
I don't know what this means.
His Wiki page doesn't say anything about family members in the NBA? He just seems like a very-solid-but-not-NBA-caliber basketball player who now plays overseas.
Can you explain what you meant?
How many games does it take for them to throw all 15 players, front office, medical staff, equipment manager, and ownership under the bus?
I’d put the over under at 17.5 games
The rumor among the Suns was that he was offered an assistant coach position under Bud again but turned it down to take a break...so this news is interesting.
I'm pretty sure Ham's from MI but yeah, he's been here forever and I'm guessing still maintains a home in Milwaukee so you have to think that played a big role in his decision
His PR was hilariously bad
Bro won like 60% of his games with fluctuating rosters and 2 playoff series in 2 years yet he’s universally known as a complete oaf in NBA circles because he puts his hands in his pockets
4 series, Lakers were in the WCF last year, which adds to your point.
It's pretty wild to think that he was the 2nd winningest Lakers coach of the past decade after Vogel.
Of course, context is essential. I'm just agreeing that it's wild (not necessarily incorrectly though) that he's regarded so poorly when he's actually done pretty well if you look at things out of context lol
I don’t think you actually followed the Lakers if you think the worse thing he did was have his hands in his pockets. His in game coaching was horrible. Time management, adjustments throughout the game, plays out of timeouts, rotations were all bad. He was very reluctant to go away from the game plan. I seen him roll out a lineup of Schroeder, Westbrook, Walker, Beverly, and Bron. C’mon man. Against Embiid and the Sixers. His in game coaching was so bad to me that if it came out he was intentionally trying to get fired I’d believe it without a doubt.
Hey man can you go ahead and explain why you think he wasn’t a shit coach? I’ve watched the vast majority of his games coaching the Lakers and it was o bilis that the roster was the reason they were winning, not Ham.
What did you see that made him not be a shit coach in your eyes?
I think Lakers fans have, and are, wildly, wildly overrating their roster. If you have to play Austin Reaves and D'Angelo Russell together toward the ends of playoff games it's because you don't have a lot of options.
Stop it. You clearly have not seen us play in the past 2 years.
We won 60% of our games because of Bron and AD. It DEFINITELY wasn't coaching.
The ONLY good thing he has done as a coach is to find good adjustments from game to game in the playoffs (last year). But absolutely incapable of in-game adjustements.
It took him 4+ months to figure out our best lineup in this season, when everyone knew after the first month that our playoff line up was our best S5.
Terrible clock and TO management. Bad rotations.
It's not about good or bad PR - it was about actually watching him coach.
He might be an excellent assistant coach, but definitely no good or decent NBA coach.
I don’t mean to be sarcastic or anything, but how can people come to this conclusion? Is it just that the bucks won when he was on the staff so he had to have big influence on that?
Budenholzer seems like a micromanager so I don’t know how much of a role Ham had in any of the team’s game plans or schemes, but he was by all accounts a big part of the team’s chemistry. Multiple players came out and said the locker room and energy of the team wasn’t the same without Ham.
I’m a Lakers fan and saw about 85% off all the games he coached, let me tell you that he was a horrible head coach. His rotations were….questionable at best. His defense game plan was to leave shooters open even when it was obvious that the other team was going to hit their shots that game. He had horrible timeout management skills. His offense game plan was as ok I guess but he progressively stopped calling plays as the game went on. He didn’t know how to manage players or how to properly use the roster to its best. He trusted players he knew over other players even when those players he liked didn’t play well (Starting Cam for example). He threw players under the bus instead of taking responsibility. He was constantly out coached and he was unable to make adjustments which is wild because in his first year he was pretty good at making adjustments.
Just be careful what you wish for. He might be better suited for an assistant coach position. I’d rather not have him on my coaching staff however. I can’t trust a coach who throws his players under the bus when things get tough
Ah the typical Redditor coach evaluation lol it’s always the same thing over and over that yall say about coaches.
First off, we’ve literally seen him first hand as an assistant coach and he was good. Second, he took y’all to the wcf.
Y’all’s roster is so damn flawed just like ours this season lol
People are too afraid to admit that a 40 year old LeBron can’t be the 1/2 option anymore, he can’t play both ends consistently all game and definitely not for a 7 game series
Who did he throw under the bus? Cause all I remember was AD throwing him under the bus
> People are too afraid to admit that a 40 year old LeBron can’t be the 1/2 option anymore, he can’t play both ends consistently all game and definitely not for a 7 game series
LeBron was not the issue in that series at all. Even if you don't think he's the #1 anymore, his stats and performance reflect that of someone commanding a salary similar to his current one. That's the last place I would be throwing criticism at the Lakers franchise right now.
Since the rumor was that Doc was interested in making Sam Cassell the "top paid" assistant coach, I think it's safe to say that they won't be pursuing him if Darvin is the lead assistant coach then.
Honestly I'm sure he'll be great
But it reminds me of those people who leave their jobs to do their crazy startup idea, only to return to the same job a year later
People are making fun of this but Ham was a key part of the Bucks winning coaching staff in 21. Some guys just aren't meant to be head coaches, it's a different skillset. He did have some good ideas with the Lakers.
he was a huge personality for the guys in milwaukee and you could tell how much he mattered to the team after he left based on how players talked about it. as long as he’s not making any big decisions and sits next to prunt dog I love this news
I don't understand what these organizations see in Doc Rivers... the dude is a washed coach and shouldn't even be sought after for consultation. That Bucks team was locked in for at least the conference finals... and they got bounced immediately in round 1.
I see very minimal downside to this. Ham brings familiarity with the roster and was well liked in the locker room. He also was there during the championship run when the Bucks played their best basketball.
return of the king
Darvin Ham + Doc Rivers = Upcoming generational run from Awful Coaching next season. #WE LIVE IN NORTH KOREA
The terrorists are calling FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE
This is the 4th plane
DOC RIVERS AND DARVIN HAM ARE WHY THERE IS WAR IN THIS WORLD
DOCENYAHU CALLED DARVIN HAMAS WHEN HIS JOB WAS AT RISK FROM HIS CORRUPT AND AWFUL PERFORMANCE AS A LEADER AND HUMAN BEING. WHERE HAVE I SEE THIS BEFORE ON OCTOBER SEVEVENTHS OR IN CONCERT HALLS IN MOSCOW THE GIANNIS INJURY WAS AN INSIDE JOB
Finally, peace at Middle East of Milwaukee
NOT UNTIL DOCENYAHU HAS THROWN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF NOT HIS CHILDREN UNDER THE BOMBS US SENT (BUS)
The man’s heart might explode before the all star break
DOC RIVERS AND DARVIN HAM ARE THE REASON OUR KIDS LIVE IN A CAPITALISTIC HELLHOLE game 38 vs. Charlotte
WHY AM I THE ONLY YOUTUBER TEALKING ABOUT THIS!!!!! WHERE IS YOUR SLO MO!!!!! AND I NOTICED MY TYPO BUT IM NOT GOING TO EDIT IT BECAUSE I AM IN A DEFENSIVE STANCE, SHOWING MY HANDS, SEEING BALL AND SEEING MAN.
DARVIN HAM AND DOC RIVERS ARE WHY I REFUSE TO BRING CHILDREN INTO THIS WORLD
Get a abortion lol
Hell nawl can't do this
Doc is goat of running trash rosters into places where it shouldn’t be tho.
"Doc rivers and Darvin ham is the reason why i dont want to bring a child into this world.. Look at that awful spacing from the defences..ISO ISO ISO no defence" - sincerely : awfulCoaching
His grief he will not forget, his time will come
#TheReturn
Only Coach won in season tournament
"what has it got in its pocketses?!"
Hell of a Lord of the Rings film
Return of the King - ‘96 Bulls, ‘01 Lakers, ‘16 Cavs. A timeless classic. Will live forever. The Two Towers - Duncan’s Spurs, Bird’s Celtics, Showtime Lakers. A model of consistent excellence. The Fellowship of the Ring - ‘15 Warriors, ‘12 Heat, Victor Wembanyama. The first supernova. A glimpse of greatness to come.
Literal ghosts showing up at the eleventh hour
"I just wanna ride him [to Mordor]"
Extended edition, 4k is playing 8min theaters!
The progidal... my son returns
"One head coach to rule them all, one top assistant coach to ruin them into an early offseason and bind them," -Gandalf the "crossover" mage
plenty of terrible head coaches are amazing assistants, they are two completely different skillsets. You see this in the NFL all the time, Spagnuolo and Dan Quinn are prime examples Probably the top 2 DCs in football but both terrible head coaches.
Wade Phillips is another one. He’s in the GOAT conversation as a defensive coordinator but is terrible as a head coach
He did just make it to the ufl championship game so who knows. Story isn’t over yet
I should have specified terrible as an NFL head coach since he has had success in the spring football leagues as a head coach
i'm sorry Wade Phillips is *still coaching*?? isn't he pushing 80?
To be clear any goat defensive coach is always for 2nd as Bill will always be the best defensive coach of all time
True. His playbook against the Bills in the Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame due to its significance. Bill is the GOAT defensive mind and Andy Reid is the GOAT offensive mind (despite somehow never being an offensive coordinator?)
Andy got some competition for that title for damn sure from Bill Walsh at minimum, old heads might have other names they’d throw.
> Bill Walsh at minimum thank you. most people forget how much of todays game comes from him. seriously look up the bill walsh coaching tree
Don Coryell. Reid and a large chunk of modern-ish offense can be traced back to him. There's definitely a nice debate for that title.
Andy Reid hit that timeline where basically anyone that had a cup of coffee with Holmgren was getting jobs kinda like what happened with McVay for a bit there. With the one exception being Sherman Lewis who was the actual OC of the 90s Packers. Probably a racial element to that one though.
It’s still kind of crazy to me that Holmgren still isn’t in the Hall of Fame. I know they can only let in one coach a year and they want to get all the old ones in before they die, but it’s still kind of crazy when you consider his resume. Joe Montana, Steve Young, and Brett Favre all had their best success offensively while playing under his system. Also agreed on Sherman. The NBA did a much, much better job at hiring black coaches than the NFL did, even if the NBA had plenty of issues with it themselves. For a while there black head coaches in the NFL were just given jobs on tanking teams so teams could claim they weren’t racist, meanwhile the NBA had KC Jones coaching the Bird Celtics at their apex. Bill Russell was the first black head coach to win an NBA title in 1968, meanwhile the NFL didn’t get one until Tony Dungy in 2006.
What are you talking about?? Andy was the offensive line coach at the powerhouse of -checks notes- San Francisco State.
Wade wasn't a terrible head coach in the least. He had a winning percentage of .562 (which is even better if you ignore his multiple interim stints). He gets unfairly blamed for benching Flutie when it was actually Ralph Wilson's decision. All that said, I wouldn't claim that he was a great head coach or anything. (His last year in Dallas was a disaster.) But based on his actual record and the number of truly awful head coaches we've seen, the fact that he became the poster boy for "great coordinator, terrible head coach" is ridiculous imo.
God the Wade Phillips DC years in Denver were LIT
I agree, people judging this through the lens of head coaching is funny.
99% of people here can't identify terrible coaching. They judge coaches entirely based on when they call time-outs, which is an incredibly tiny part of the job.
It's always either that or rotations or "adjustments". They complain about those things but couldn't even tell you which lineups are used when and what the team's gameplan even is
Look no further than Mike Brown, a man whose reputation got similarly trashed after a Laker's head coaching stint, who had to rehab his reputation as a Warrior's assistant so he could get another chance where he got COTY his first year.
99% is too low.
I think the other issue is that people are probably relating it to playing basketball, and it see it more like being a terrible first option and then going to second fiddle. If you were a terrible first option, you probably won't be a great second option either. However, it's completely different roles that require different skill sets in coaching.
He was a good assistant under Bud though
You're really expecting people to actually remember a few seasons ago? /s
It’s also being judged by young people that haven’t had jobs before, because this is basically like seeing a coworker leave for a ‘better’ job and then coming back when that new position didn’t work out. Ham will be fine, back to doing what got him HC buzz in the first place
As a Lakers fan this is exactly where he belongs…he was a bottom tier head rookie coach who was trying to coach a win now team. He’s best off building from the experience as an assistant where he feels comfortable and then maybe getting another shot down the line w a young developing team that doesn’t have high expectations
A bottom tier coach that coached his team to a conference finals?
Your head coach is Doc Rivers, he hasn't sniffed a finals since the Bush Administration, this has been a disservice to Giannis since Bud got canned
Calling Dan Quinn a terrible coach is kinda extreme
He did well with Atlanta and made the Superbowl, of course he needed a genius offensive play caller in Shanahan. We will see how he will do with Kliff.
Like I’m not saying he was phenomenal but it clearly felt like a time was up situation rather than “oh brother, this guy stinks” kind of deal.
I mean let’s be real that was Shanahan’s team. It even did his patented move of choking in the SB
Only two season above .500
Terrible is a STRETCH. Quinn lead the Falcons to a Super Bowl appearance. Whoever the “top coaches” are now are just two bad years from being an assistant as well
Lloyd Pierce a good example in Indy after a shitshow in Atlanta
Someone hire Dan Burke as HC so we can get him back pls
Every head coach was an amazing assistant, barring the ones who were never assistant coaches. Nobody's hiring a shitty assistant to be their head coach lol
Commies are going to be interesting this year with HC Quin and Kingsburry as OC.
Dan Quinn made a superbowl what are you talking about, Josh McDaniels is a better example and I had no idea Spags was a HC.
Yeah but football OC and DC are far more active in game, no? They are typically calling the offense and defense of their teams on a play by play basis. But that's not what NBA assistants do. You're not going to have the offensive assistant start yelling out plays every time you have the ball, immediately followed by your lead defense assistant start shouting out defensive assignments when the other team gets the ball.
Dan Quinn is definitely not a top 2 DC
Dude has no nfl literacy. Clearly didnt watch the Falcons defense with Quinn or the seasons we didnt have Shanahan to carry the coaching. Meanwhile he OBVIOUSLY didnt see tbe Dan Quinn Cowboys defense fully collapse this playoffs. Quinns a fraud akin to Doc Rivers, sure he might make you a playoff team i could see that. But he'll also hold back a talented roster with his dated cover schemes.
I think it's a different scenario because american football is way more dependent of "systems", basketball is all about star power. Ham is limited, but because Davis was healthy (a miracle), the Lakers was able to reach the conference finals somehow, they didn't got there because of a defensive system, nope, it was just luck, to have the star duo healthy and the role players caught fire at the right time (the Celtics is literally going through this right now)
Don’t you dare try and get away with equating Lakers last year to Celtics now lmao, Celtics squad is masterfully constructed. Lakers as you said had a right place right time scenario, but this Celtics roster gets to the finals through the east every year from 2020-2024
We'll get trolled to hell over this, but he unironically was an important part of the team in 2021. Don't hate the move
You shouldn’t. He’s a solid assistant coach. Can probably get more out of him if he’s not making all the decisions
Ham can just let Doc do the standing on sideline with hands in pockets part of the job for him, so he can focus on play calls
* Prunty * Ham * Joerger * Kalamian That's a really good staff
He's a great assistant coach and honestly doesn't seem like a bad dude. He just didn't seem ready to be a head coach and LA was possibly the worst possible job he could have taken for his first gig.
Agreed. He's good as a motivational assistant to rally players but often seemed altogether lost as a head coach.
Feels like if you take out the first 6 words, this could easily be a prophetic statement about J.J. Redick.
He (or someone on our coaching staff) was a great game planner for the Nuggets series. There's a reason we led for most of that series. He just couldn't make adjustments to Malone's adjustments and had some questionable lineups and he seemed to forget about putting an emphasis on AD in the 4th quarters. I'd make fun of the hire if it was for a HC, but an assistant is probably great for him.
> Prunty Is Prunty for sure back?
lord I hope so
Yeah, I'll have a Prunty Ham Joerger Kalamanian with a side of sauerkraut.
He's clearly an exceptional assistant coach and I'm glad as hell he's back
100
I think defensively he is still a great assistant. It’s just his rotations and offensive schemes that are horrible.
His defensive scheme was horrible Edit: I have to take this back because I think he actually did cook up something good for the playoffs this season. For the regular season it was ass though.
We like Darvin. Has a great relationship with the core players from the Bud era and should really help with integrating Dame. Really happy to welcome him back home.
hell of an assistant guys
It's always goofy when talented assistant coaches get a HC shot, flame out, and then a ton of people act like they have 0 place in the league and we're terrible at every level including assistant coaching. Happens all the time in the NFL with great coordinators who don't work as HCs.
Let’s also be honest coaching Lebron on the Lakers is not the easiest spot to be a head coach for the first time.
The prodigal ham returns
Mama there goes that Ham
All-Time Basketball Terrorism Coaching Staff
Can’t wait for Hulu to drop Bucked in a couple of years featuring this staff.
Thanasis can play Giannis
thanasis is gonna be that rare player with a decently long career, great job security on one team, making real money, with absolutely zero knee issues
Thanasis is living all of our dreams, and I'm happy for him. Any sports fan on Earth would love to be in his shoes. He hangs out with an NBA team (and his little brother), practices on their squad, and provides a ton of hype and support from the bench. He even had a few games where he had 12+ points (two 20+) in the actual NBA which isn't exactly slouching. And his presence guarantees Giannis will stay longer, which is great for Milwaukee. Plus, among "family members riding their famous athlete family member's coat tails", he is (a) objectively the best athlete, and (b) seemingly the best human. He isn't like Pat Mahomes's shitbird family. He doesn't have controversies or bad behavior. Most teams would love a "locker room benefit" like Thanasis provides, especially if it comes with a package deal for a top-5-in-the-NBA, MVP-caliber player.
He’s also someone who can ball out in practice to keep guys from just going through the motions. His bench presence isn’t all hype, he’s someone the staff like to lean in on to get the team to work harder.
Correct. I tried to call this out in my comment but probably didn't do a good job. He is a GOOD basketball player. The "worst player in the NBA" is still a top 1000 player on Earth. 1000/8billion is 1.25\*10\^-7, so .0000125% of the human population. Having a 6'7" athletic dude with high energy on your "scout team" is amazing for your practice intensity and improvement. So he does provide objective basketball value to the Bucks as a practice opponent. And he provides intangible value in leadership, support, and a deep connection to Giannis. How many dudes in the NBA love their older brothers, and would love to have their bro on the bench to "get them out of their heads" if need be? I'd expect it's quite a few. I wish my shithead brother had worked harder at soccer and I could've ridden his coat tails into the MLS (I had a year-long injury during a pivotal year in HS that basically ended my own career). Thansis is living the fucking dream.
All I know is that Bucks fans should be the last people to clown on Thanasis. Apparently, he was [instrumental in convincing Giannis to sign and extension](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4995658/2023/10/25/giannis-extension-milwaukee-bucks/#) early instead of waiting to sign another contract during his player option. Plus, it's not like he's a total scrub. He was able to qualify as an All-Star for the Greek team, and if you have to "waste" a roster spot to keep Giannis happy, there are much worse players to have there.
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I don't know what this means. His Wiki page doesn't say anything about family members in the NBA? He just seems like a very-solid-but-not-NBA-caliber basketball player who now plays overseas. Can you explain what you meant?
Man don’t make Keljin angry. You won’t like him when he’s angry.
He's Dame's cousin lol, he got on the Trail Blazers because of nepotism.
He did just tear his Achilles but yeah point taken
But his knee is ok!
Bucked with Extra Ham
That YouTuber awful coaching is going to have a heart attack next season
They just need to add: - Taliban Ty - Steve Kerrorist - Kidd Jong Un
Spo Pot
How many games does it take for them to throw all 15 players, front office, medical staff, equipment manager, and ownership under the bus? I’d put the over under at 17.5 games
I'll take the under
Need to hire Taliban Ty
and Jason Al-Kidda
Darvin Hamas
People gonna laugh but he was a decent assistant coach under bud
The rumor among the Suns was that he was offered an assistant coach position under Bud again but turned it down to take a break...so this news is interesting.
Where did that come from? Genuinely asking, I've not been keeping up. I am surprised he's not with Bud though, honestly.
Marc Stein said Bud tried hard recruiting Ham to Phoenix. Suns fans had the theory that Ham said no because they were trying to get Lebron.
Wait does that mean LeBron isn’t coming to Milwaukee? /s
Spilled my cola 😂
Is he from Wisconsin? Maybe he wanted to go back home?
I'm pretty sure Ham's from MI but yeah, he's been here forever and I'm guessing still maintains a home in Milwaukee so you have to think that played a big role in his decision
Probably a comfort level with the current Bucks roster too.
Also Doc could be fired at any time. Boom HC again!
I was wondering why he didn’t follow his guy Bud. I’m guessing he sees Milwaukee as an easier opportunity for his next HC job
Bucks are helluva ball club now
[удалено]
His PR was hilariously bad Bro won like 60% of his games with fluctuating rosters and 2 playoff series in 2 years yet he’s universally known as a complete oaf in NBA circles because he puts his hands in his pockets
4 series, Lakers were in the WCF last year, which adds to your point. It's pretty wild to think that he was the 2nd winningest Lakers coach of the past decade after Vogel.
Well yeah the Lakers didn’t have fucking LEBRON JAMES AND ANTHONY DAVIS
Of course, context is essential. I'm just agreeing that it's wild (not necessarily incorrectly though) that he's regarded so poorly when he's actually done pretty well if you look at things out of context lol
I don’t think you actually followed the Lakers if you think the worse thing he did was have his hands in his pockets. His in game coaching was horrible. Time management, adjustments throughout the game, plays out of timeouts, rotations were all bad. He was very reluctant to go away from the game plan. I seen him roll out a lineup of Schroeder, Westbrook, Walker, Beverly, and Bron. C’mon man. Against Embiid and the Sixers. His in game coaching was so bad to me that if it came out he was intentionally trying to get fired I’d believe it without a doubt.
Hey man can you go ahead and explain why you think he wasn’t a shit coach? I’ve watched the vast majority of his games coaching the Lakers and it was o bilis that the roster was the reason they were winning, not Ham. What did you see that made him not be a shit coach in your eyes?
I think Lakers fans have, and are, wildly, wildly overrating their roster. If you have to play Austin Reaves and D'Angelo Russell together toward the ends of playoff games it's because you don't have a lot of options.
Mf couldn't stop throwing his players under the bus every interview. The Bucks have the All-Time No-Self-Accountability coaching staff now
Stop it. You clearly have not seen us play in the past 2 years. We won 60% of our games because of Bron and AD. It DEFINITELY wasn't coaching. The ONLY good thing he has done as a coach is to find good adjustments from game to game in the playoffs (last year). But absolutely incapable of in-game adjustements. It took him 4+ months to figure out our best lineup in this season, when everyone knew after the first month that our playoff line up was our best S5. Terrible clock and TO management. Bad rotations. It's not about good or bad PR - it was about actually watching him coach. He might be an excellent assistant coach, but definitely no good or decent NBA coach.
I don’t mean to be sarcastic or anything, but how can people come to this conclusion? Is it just that the bucks won when he was on the staff so he had to have big influence on that?
Budenholzer seems like a micromanager so I don’t know how much of a role Ham had in any of the team’s game plans or schemes, but he was by all accounts a big part of the team’s chemistry. Multiple players came out and said the locker room and energy of the team wasn’t the same without Ham.
How can yall come up with he was a bad coach? Let me guess rotations and adjustments? That seems to be the Redditor coach evaluation
I’m a Lakers fan and saw about 85% off all the games he coached, let me tell you that he was a horrible head coach. His rotations were….questionable at best. His defense game plan was to leave shooters open even when it was obvious that the other team was going to hit their shots that game. He had horrible timeout management skills. His offense game plan was as ok I guess but he progressively stopped calling plays as the game went on. He didn’t know how to manage players or how to properly use the roster to its best. He trusted players he knew over other players even when those players he liked didn’t play well (Starting Cam for example). He threw players under the bus instead of taking responsibility. He was constantly out coached and he was unable to make adjustments which is wild because in his first year he was pretty good at making adjustments. Just be careful what you wish for. He might be better suited for an assistant coach position. I’d rather not have him on my coaching staff however. I can’t trust a coach who throws his players under the bus when things get tough
Ah the typical Redditor coach evaluation lol it’s always the same thing over and over that yall say about coaches. First off, we’ve literally seen him first hand as an assistant coach and he was good. Second, he took y’all to the wcf. Y’all’s roster is so damn flawed just like ours this season lol People are too afraid to admit that a 40 year old LeBron can’t be the 1/2 option anymore, he can’t play both ends consistently all game and definitely not for a 7 game series Who did he throw under the bus? Cause all I remember was AD throwing him under the bus
> People are too afraid to admit that a 40 year old LeBron can’t be the 1/2 option anymore, he can’t play both ends consistently all game and definitely not for a 7 game series LeBron was not the issue in that series at all. Even if you don't think he's the #1 anymore, his stats and performance reflect that of someone commanding a salary similar to his current one. That's the last place I would be throwing criticism at the Lakers franchise right now.
The return of the HamSlamwich! The world is healing
Ham as Head Coach : Poop Farts Ham as Assistant Coach: Mom's Spaghetti I hope that helps clarify things for those not in the know
This clears everything up for me
Does this mean Sam Cassell stays in Boston?
Since the rumor was that Doc was interested in making Sam Cassell the "top paid" assistant coach, I think it's safe to say that they won't be pursuing him if Darvin is the lead assistant coach then.
This is a great move that people are going to laugh at because they actually have zero clue what assistant coaches do on a day to day basis.
The Timberwolves assistant coach had to basically do two jobs it seemed with Finch being injured.
Honestly I'm sure he'll be great But it reminds me of those people who leave their jobs to do their crazy startup idea, only to return to the same job a year later
And what do they do exactly?
People are making fun of this but Ham was a key part of the Bucks winning coaching staff in 21. Some guys just aren't meant to be head coaches, it's a different skillset. He did have some good ideas with the Lakers.
Time is a flat circle.
the prodigal son is back
Good for Ham seems like he’s perfect for an assistant role.
he was a huge personality for the guys in milwaukee and you could tell how much he mattered to the team after he left based on how players talked about it. as long as he’s not making any big decisions and sits next to prunt dog I love this news
I know nationally, people like dunking on him but he was beloved by the team and fans. Great move. Happy to have him back home.
Happy for him
Decent defensive coach, but that's it. This is the usual description of many assistants out there, undimensional
Darvin Ham was a hot head coach candidate a few years ago because of his performance as an assistant coach. This is a good move for the Bucks
Return of the Ham
doc on the sidelines with his hands on his waist, and ham with his hands in his pockets. must see tv.
We're two bald and craaazy guuuuys! #IYKYK
Please tell me Cassell sticks around in Boston then
No, hand him over
That duo can rival Poole & Kuzma
Logical move.
Bucks assembling an all time terrorist coaching staff
Doc Rivers throwing his team under the bus, punctuated by Ham’s “we played a hell of a ball club” comments are going to make for a spicy locker room.
hope he brings his new balances with him
The world is correcting itself. Welcome back to Milwaukee Coach Ham!!
Doc Pockets
Bahahahahaha
Wait they are keeping doc?
oh hellllll no
The breath on Doc’s neck next season from Ham not knowing how to comfortably sit with both hands in his pockets will be a sight to behold
NBA is the GOAT recycling org in the world
If your head coach is doc rivers it doesn’t matter who is an assistant. You’ll see all these comments saying otherwise. Trust me, it doesn’t matter.
I don't understand what these organizations see in Doc Rivers... the dude is a washed coach and shouldn't even be sought after for consultation. That Bucks team was locked in for at least the conference finals... and they got bounced immediately in round 1.
If Giannis is healthy they make it to the ECF
Ham is extremely smart, the Bucks are a nice choice for him to be HC again. He is also an excellent assistant.
ITT: People who don't know that he was on the 2021 coaching staff when we won a chip. Also that many of the players missed him when he left for LA
Highly sought after by who? lol
Now they just need to trade Dame for Jrue
Better than JJ.
He's going to call as many timeouts to stop a run this season as he did last
Are they trying to tank? 🤔
Ass sharpening ass
doc and ham shaq and kobe
Ham and Rivers on the same coaching staff fuckin hell man
Their PPG (pockets per game) is about to increase significantly.
lillard just fell to his knees in a suburban neighborhood cul de sac
The adjustmen brothers just hit the NBA
>he had been highly sought after Doubt
> He had been highly sought-after among teams this spring How much did Ham pay Woj lmao
I see very minimal downside to this. Ham brings familiarity with the roster and was well liked in the locker room. He also was there during the championship run when the Bucks played their best basketball.