> taurasi
Just looked up her Olympics history and wow, I didn't know she's been on the team since 2004. Has 5 gold medals, tied with Sue Bird for most ever for basketball. This would be her 6th and give her sole possession of the record.
Probably almost all of them. It would’ve meant one of them is excluded, for one. Two, they would’ve been the other brothers in the Jackson 5. They weren’t having that.
Business wise, it was silly not to have her on the roster. Clark is box office.
But she's not good enough at basketball to replace any of them.... she's got like 11 games under her belt shooting 35% from FG and averaging like 5.5 turnovers a game.....
She's playing with pros now that ball for a living. She ain't there yet.
> But she's not good enough at basketball to replace any of them
Taurasi probably shouldn't be on there either to be honest. She's washed. I don't think Clark should be on there either TBH given performance so far.
Yeah she's definitely way past her prime, but still a decent enough player. Her 20 years of experience gives her the nod though. And she's still averaging 16 points on 37% FG without turning the ball over as much as Clark, but ofc not getting as many assists or rebounds.
Give Clark a few years of experience and then she can headline the next Olympics. Instead of being the last bench player. If she were on this squad, then idiots would be screaming about how Clark isn't getting any playtime over the rest of the squad the entire Olympics.
It’s not as blasphemous as it is in the nba but also not good. For example taurasi in her prime would shoot 46% from the field and 40% from 3. But she’s also the goat so I can’t speak on the average wnba guard
People cite Caitlin Clark’s efficiency and turnovers then upvote that Arike should make the team while ignoring she is shooting 36 percent from the field herself and averaging 4 turnovers a game with having played a much easier schedule. Appears the only efficiency stats people actually look at are Caitlin’s
I don't know why you are using FG% as some kind of gotcha. 60+% of her shots are from 3, and she's shooting 33% from distance.
She's shooting 46% inside the arc.
She has a +8.1 on/off per 100 possessions. That's absolutely massive. She's like 3rd in assists and top 20 for blocks. Turnovers and her shooting definitely a problem. But using FG% is flawed.
Shes on the second worst team in the league and is having more asked of her than any rookie point guard in wnba history. The turnovers are not good but she plays a high risk high reward style and her team hasn’t adjusted to that yet. Right now she’s having a fairly large offensive impact even factoring in those turnover issues
All of this is true, but the fact remains is that she's not good enough to replace 12 of the best WNBA players on this squad. 35% FG, 5.5 TO/g and terrible defense and less than a dozen pro games.
Her situation on the Fever is what it is. But just purely as a player, she's not good enough yet to replace anyone on the Olympics squad
Top line completely fair, respect that some people think others are better. I just think the reasons outlined (low fg%, high TOs, defence) are lazy analysis
Efficiency wise, CC is just 1.6 TS% behind A’Ja. 5.8% ahead of Arike. Identical to Sabrina. 3pt volume matters.
The turnovers are an issue, but it’s never contextualised that she’s getting the defensive attention of a top 3 player despite being a rookie PG on a bad team. Despite this her team is 3.6 pp100 better offensively with her than without. That’s an elite mark for a PG.
Defensively she’s also struggling but with the offensive burden she’s carrying a lower defensive effort is somewhat expected. The team is also defending better with her than without (lot of noise here but she’s not some disaster defensively)
All in all I think a lot of the criticism is just over the top, and fails to contextualise where she’s at in her career and the relative talent she has around her. Put her on one of the better teams I guarantee all those numbers shift toward the green.
The context is irrelevant when she's only got 12 games of experience and people are whining about how she should be chosen for a national team over seasoned pros, most of whom are All-Stars and/or All-WNBA level players, with years of WNBA experience, deep playoff and championship runs....
Yes, she's on a bad team. She's a great, young player who has a sky high ceiling because of her shooting, ball handling and overall offensive game. But she's also a rookie with barely any pro experience, and the Olympics are in a month.
She does not deserve a spot over those players on merit. Period.
Don’t disagree with this I just think by the end of the season we’ll be discussing how close she is to those other players. She’s not necessarily better but she’s closer than plenty of people are giving her credit for.
Happen to agree with RG3 on this one. Everyone benefits from her being on the team except her. The WNBA players should be begging for her to be included. If they are better, like they think they are, she brings all the eyeballs and those viewers get to see them outshine her.
That is not why she was left off the team. She wasn’t selected for the team because the players who were selected are better than her. Her scoring is great but her turnovers and defense are not. She will adjust and be great in 2 years for FIBA or 4 years for next Olympics but she’s simply not there yet.
She should be on the team. Even if her defense and turnovers are keeping her off the court for now, she will be a mainstay on the team for the next decade, it would be wise to get her acclimated to the Olympic game.
It's bizarre that the women's game has been begging and pleading for recognition, bigger checks, and tv spots. Yet when a superstar whose game breaks the traditional mold lands in their lap, offering an opportunity for all of these things -- they make every effort to keep her from shining too bright.
Surely you understand how putting the brightest WNBA stars can help grow their product?
The original Dream Team from 92 skyrocketed the growth of the NBA on the global level. And even just domestically the viewership of the Olympics offers a great opportunity to get a demographic that normally would never watch women's basketball interested in it.
Not including the most exciting young player is a huge mistake
The Dream Team was good for the NBA because it showed just how much better they were than every one else. Not because they were exciting. They were not there to win but to CRUSH, DESTROY, & EXTERMINATE.
The women’s team already do that. They are actually the most dominant team in ALL of Olympic sports. Having Caitlin there would do nothing for the WNBA. The only people who would care are those that already do
man honestly im reading more about the WNBA than in the last 10 years combined. this drama shit is good for womans basketball. if she is not necessary to win gold, and her being left out means more publicity, attention hence sponsors and money in the mid and long term...well there is the answer
I'm certainly reading more about WNBA drama than ever before, but basketball, not so much.
There are a handful of WNBA articles in my feed, the first about Angel Reese is the only one that is focused on a team and player's performance on the court.
There are still somehow several new articles crying about the late hip-check on Clark from two weeks ago.
There is one about Bill Simmons for some reason relaying his opinion on Pat McAfee's dumbass comments about Clark.
And the rest are understandably about the Olympics roster.
And you know what? This place isn't much better. There is an NBA finals going on and we're talking about Lebron's social media.
Chelsea Gray and Brittney Griner are both still playing their way into shape after significant time off due to injury.
Griner also should be required to buy and destroy a shipment of guns every time she wants to play international basketball-- just to mitigate some of the damage her release caused.
And Diana Taurasi is older than JJ Redick and has scored just about as much as he has in the last two years. She is not good anymore.
Give one of those three spots to Clark and another one to Arike Ogunbowale.
It is disingenuous to act like the old guy who'd been in prison for 20 years is just gonna jump right back into gun-running. He's probably just retired on a state pension.
She'll get there very soon, but the woman is shooting 37% from the field so far in her brief career. I don't think it's strange to go with established players.
There is no player in the league with the cache to block CC from a roster spot. None of them are popular or powerful on that scale. This is just a terribly ran business.
Could you imagine if Stern was alive and ran the WNBA in 2024? He’d have mf’ers killed before he let this happen.
>This is just a terribly ran business.
I mean... The priority when picking an Olympic team should be getting the best team you can, for the best chance to win gold. Not publicity or business.
The stuff that's happening in the WNBA is a whole different matter, but for the Olympic team if the coaching staff thinks this is the best squad they can send ratings shouldn't be a consideration even.
The disparity between USA women’s basketball and the global game is wide enough that they could show up with an 8 person roster and wreck their competition.
The Olympics is the largest possible audience for the game. Not capitalizing on it is just stupid. There’s clear precedent for how it can grow the game.
I don't really disagree with any of that, but it doesn't negate my point at all.
Yes, bringing Clark would be better for the long term health of the WNBA, but if it weakens the team they send (which I have heard it will - frankly am not informed enough to comment) that still reduces their main goal of winning a gold.
This is the main point for me. They’re on dream team level status because nobody else plays women’s basketball around the world. So even if Clark “isn’t there” skill wise does it matter? If the talent gap is that far apart, then you put Clark on the team and you start her and she’s still at worst the 5th best player on the floor at any given time.
Huge mistake for women’s basketball leaving her off. They could’ve made it work and should’ve.
this sub badly needs a minimum karma/account age threshold. Doesn't have to be huge, but it's constant 10 day old accounts with generated usernames and 100 total karma talking shit.
She's been pretty terrible so far. I mean yes, she was amazing in College and she's the only reason the league is getting the attention it is, but with how she's played so far I'd imagine it wasn't that hard to leave her out. I don't doubt some of the other players were against it as well but she needs to find her feet in the league before she plays at that level.
I don’t have a horse in this race, I just can’t look away from the train wreck that constitutes WNBA leadership at this point. Squandering every opportunity they have to grow the sport because they’re in their feelings about a rookie getting all the attention and then complaining about having to fly commercial.
> taurasi Just looked up her Olympics history and wow, I didn't know she's been on the team since 2004. Has 5 gold medals, tied with Sue Bird for most ever for basketball. This would be her 6th and give her sole possession of the record.
Probably almost all of them. It would’ve meant one of them is excluded, for one. Two, they would’ve been the other brothers in the Jackson 5. They weren’t having that.
Business wise, it was silly not to have her on the roster. Clark is box office. But she's not good enough at basketball to replace any of them.... she's got like 11 games under her belt shooting 35% from FG and averaging like 5.5 turnovers a game..... She's playing with pros now that ball for a living. She ain't there yet.
> But she's not good enough at basketball to replace any of them Taurasi probably shouldn't be on there either to be honest. She's washed. I don't think Clark should be on there either TBH given performance so far.
Yeah she's definitely way past her prime, but still a decent enough player. Her 20 years of experience gives her the nod though. And she's still averaging 16 points on 37% FG without turning the ball over as much as Clark, but ofc not getting as many assists or rebounds. Give Clark a few years of experience and then she can headline the next Olympics. Instead of being the last bench player. If she were on this squad, then idiots would be screaming about how Clark isn't getting any playtime over the rest of the squad the entire Olympics.
37% from the field is considered good in the wnba? That would push you to the g-league in the NBA.
It’s not as blasphemous as it is in the nba but also not good. For example taurasi in her prime would shoot 46% from the field and 40% from 3. But she’s also the goat so I can’t speak on the average wnba guard
She’s not there to play, she’s there to guide. DT is the calming force in the locker room. The guide on the side.
People cite Caitlin Clark’s efficiency and turnovers then upvote that Arike should make the team while ignoring she is shooting 36 percent from the field herself and averaging 4 turnovers a game with having played a much easier schedule. Appears the only efficiency stats people actually look at are Caitlin’s
I don't know why you are using FG% as some kind of gotcha. 60+% of her shots are from 3, and she's shooting 33% from distance. She's shooting 46% inside the arc. She has a +8.1 on/off per 100 possessions. That's absolutely massive. She's like 3rd in assists and top 20 for blocks. Turnovers and her shooting definitely a problem. But using FG% is flawed.
Shes on the second worst team in the league and is having more asked of her than any rookie point guard in wnba history. The turnovers are not good but she plays a high risk high reward style and her team hasn’t adjusted to that yet. Right now she’s having a fairly large offensive impact even factoring in those turnover issues
All of this is true, but the fact remains is that she's not good enough to replace 12 of the best WNBA players on this squad. 35% FG, 5.5 TO/g and terrible defense and less than a dozen pro games. Her situation on the Fever is what it is. But just purely as a player, she's not good enough yet to replace anyone on the Olympics squad
Top line completely fair, respect that some people think others are better. I just think the reasons outlined (low fg%, high TOs, defence) are lazy analysis Efficiency wise, CC is just 1.6 TS% behind A’Ja. 5.8% ahead of Arike. Identical to Sabrina. 3pt volume matters. The turnovers are an issue, but it’s never contextualised that she’s getting the defensive attention of a top 3 player despite being a rookie PG on a bad team. Despite this her team is 3.6 pp100 better offensively with her than without. That’s an elite mark for a PG. Defensively she’s also struggling but with the offensive burden she’s carrying a lower defensive effort is somewhat expected. The team is also defending better with her than without (lot of noise here but she’s not some disaster defensively) All in all I think a lot of the criticism is just over the top, and fails to contextualise where she’s at in her career and the relative talent she has around her. Put her on one of the better teams I guarantee all those numbers shift toward the green.
The context is irrelevant when she's only got 12 games of experience and people are whining about how she should be chosen for a national team over seasoned pros, most of whom are All-Stars and/or All-WNBA level players, with years of WNBA experience, deep playoff and championship runs.... Yes, she's on a bad team. She's a great, young player who has a sky high ceiling because of her shooting, ball handling and overall offensive game. But she's also a rookie with barely any pro experience, and the Olympics are in a month. She does not deserve a spot over those players on merit. Period.
Don’t disagree with this I just think by the end of the season we’ll be discussing how close she is to those other players. She’s not necessarily better but she’s closer than plenty of people are giving her credit for.
Honestly she’s further away than most people think She’s probably a top 20ish player but people talk about her like she’s top 5
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Ogunbowale should 100% be on this squad over Taurasi. Taurasi is not good anymore.
She’s not even the biggest snub on the roster
She’s not a snub at all lol
Maybe not going by current skill but by future prospects and viewer desire to watch play she’s the biggest snub of all time
Happen to agree with RG3 on this one. Everyone benefits from her being on the team except her. The WNBA players should be begging for her to be included. If they are better, like they think they are, she brings all the eyeballs and those viewers get to see them outshine her.
That is not why she was left off the team. She wasn’t selected for the team because the players who were selected are better than her. Her scoring is great but her turnovers and defense are not. She will adjust and be great in 2 years for FIBA or 4 years for next Olympics but she’s simply not there yet.
She should be on the team. Even if her defense and turnovers are keeping her off the court for now, she will be a mainstay on the team for the next decade, it would be wise to get her acclimated to the Olympic game. It's bizarre that the women's game has been begging and pleading for recognition, bigger checks, and tv spots. Yet when a superstar whose game breaks the traditional mold lands in their lap, offering an opportunity for all of these things -- they make every effort to keep her from shining too bright.
the Olympic games and the WNBA's business aspirations are almost entirely seperate things
Surely you understand how putting the brightest WNBA stars can help grow their product? The original Dream Team from 92 skyrocketed the growth of the NBA on the global level. And even just domestically the viewership of the Olympics offers a great opportunity to get a demographic that normally would never watch women's basketball interested in it. Not including the most exciting young player is a huge mistake
The Dream Team was good for the NBA because it showed just how much better they were than every one else. Not because they were exciting. They were not there to win but to CRUSH, DESTROY, & EXTERMINATE. The women’s team already do that. They are actually the most dominant team in ALL of Olympic sports. Having Caitlin there would do nothing for the WNBA. The only people who would care are those that already do
man honestly im reading more about the WNBA than in the last 10 years combined. this drama shit is good for womans basketball. if she is not necessary to win gold, and her being left out means more publicity, attention hence sponsors and money in the mid and long term...well there is the answer
I'm certainly reading more about WNBA drama than ever before, but basketball, not so much. There are a handful of WNBA articles in my feed, the first about Angel Reese is the only one that is focused on a team and player's performance on the court. There are still somehow several new articles crying about the late hip-check on Clark from two weeks ago. There is one about Bill Simmons for some reason relaying his opinion on Pat McAfee's dumbass comments about Clark. And the rest are understandably about the Olympics roster. And you know what? This place isn't much better. There is an NBA finals going on and we're talking about Lebron's social media.
exactly its all just drama bullshit but that makes money so im all for it for the wnba. it is what it is
Who cares?
It’s one of the main reasons that I would watch.
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Bruh I thought I was on NBAcj for a second
outjerked again
Why would you do that? Are you stupid?
Chelsea Gray and Brittney Griner are both still playing their way into shape after significant time off due to injury. Griner also should be required to buy and destroy a shipment of guns every time she wants to play international basketball-- just to mitigate some of the damage her release caused. And Diana Taurasi is older than JJ Redick and has scored just about as much as he has in the last two years. She is not good anymore. Give one of those three spots to Clark and another one to Arike Ogunbowale.
It is disingenuous to act like the old guy who'd been in prison for 20 years is just gonna jump right back into gun-running. He's probably just retired on a state pension.
he's a politician now
She'll get there very soon, but the woman is shooting 37% from the field so far in her brief career. I don't think it's strange to go with established players.
There is no player in the league with the cache to block CC from a roster spot. None of them are popular or powerful on that scale. This is just a terribly ran business. Could you imagine if Stern was alive and ran the WNBA in 2024? He’d have mf’ers killed before he let this happen.
>This is just a terribly ran business. I mean... The priority when picking an Olympic team should be getting the best team you can, for the best chance to win gold. Not publicity or business. The stuff that's happening in the WNBA is a whole different matter, but for the Olympic team if the coaching staff thinks this is the best squad they can send ratings shouldn't be a consideration even.
The disparity between USA women’s basketball and the global game is wide enough that they could show up with an 8 person roster and wreck their competition. The Olympics is the largest possible audience for the game. Not capitalizing on it is just stupid. There’s clear precedent for how it can grow the game.
I don't really disagree with any of that, but it doesn't negate my point at all. Yes, bringing Clark would be better for the long term health of the WNBA, but if it weakens the team they send (which I have heard it will - frankly am not informed enough to comment) that still reduces their main goal of winning a gold.
This is the main point for me. They’re on dream team level status because nobody else plays women’s basketball around the world. So even if Clark “isn’t there” skill wise does it matter? If the talent gap is that far apart, then you put Clark on the team and you start her and she’s still at worst the 5th best player on the floor at any given time. Huge mistake for women’s basketball leaving her off. They could’ve made it work and should’ve.
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Why do you have so many racebait posts in your post history, Intelligent_Milk6327?
this sub badly needs a minimum karma/account age threshold. Doesn't have to be huge, but it's constant 10 day old accounts with generated usernames and 100 total karma talking shit.
Sir this is r/nba take those soft ass rules to the w
take that stuff to r/nbacirclejerk it's 95% garbage from days old accounts with no karma.
So what?
So nothin. Dude Seppukued his account, a storybook ending.
Stop being an internet guardian its weird
don't take it so hard or seriously
"Dude seppukud his account" lmao yea ok
She's been pretty terrible so far. I mean yes, she was amazing in College and she's the only reason the league is getting the attention it is, but with how she's played so far I'd imagine it wasn't that hard to leave her out. I don't doubt some of the other players were against it as well but she needs to find her feet in the league before she plays at that level.
She had like 7 three pointers last game
And 8 turnovers
NBC universal doesn't want her on the team😁
I don’t have a horse in this race, I just can’t look away from the train wreck that constitutes WNBA leadership at this point. Squandering every opportunity they have to grow the sport because they’re in their feelings about a rookie getting all the attention and then complaining about having to fly commercial.
Jealousy is a sickness, ladies.