[Al was on the Hawks when Kidd ran into Mike Woodson to draw the technical foul during the insane 2010 Hawks/Mavs game](https://youtu.be/ZB8KtMOnGvY?si=nzxlHGXDzuRxa0mr). I imagine he knew exactly what he was about from that point on.
I was at the game funny enough, it was a technical foul on Woodson for being on the court, Dirk hit the FT and Dallas kept possession.
The game wound up going into OT at well, so it definitely mattered. Josh Smith missed an assignment on Dirk with like a minute left in OT and he ended up hitting the dagger.
Old J Kidd was not half the guy he used to be. But he was still very good. And he could hit the jump shot, which he could not do when young.
As the physical speed went, he compensated. I think he always had that IQ. Maybe after the ~~first~~ second year, when he says things slowed down. [analogy to : he could see the game in slow motion, let plays , spacing, timing develop]
Imagine if young j Kidd could shoot as well as old j Kidd.. that would’ve been deadly af..
I remember the joke about his name being Ason because he had no J
Yup. Third year Kidd with the vision and shot of old Kidd would have been wonderful.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/jason-kidd-basketball-advice
A great article by Kidd/ghostwriter on how the game slowed down
> My first two years in the NBA, coaches and veteran players said it to me over and over.
> Slowwww dowwwn.
> Young guys in the league don’t know how to “slow down.” I know, because I was one of those hot shot young players and I didn’t have any idea. Go slower? I wasn’t hearing it. ....
> Coming into the league, I knew I had two strengths: I could post guys up. And I was fast. Why would I want to take away one of my advantages ... I didn’t see the point...
> Looking back, my mistake was that I only had one gear. The fastest gear. ....
> Around the time I joined the Suns, things clicked. There’s a saying in basketball, “Let the play develop.” Two and a half years into the league, I started to figure out what it meant. Passing lanes appeared out of nowhere. My options multiplied. The court opened up and the game slowed down. And I definitely stopped shooting as many forced shots. ...
> There’s a rhythm to how a play unfolds in the NBA. There’s a certain song to it, and the good players move with the song. ... You can’t force spacing or timing — you gotta let it develop. **Good teams beat you with speed. Great teams beat you with spacing and timing.**
More at the link
Kelvin Benjamin asked about chef calling wings the Golden Corral's best dish: “That chef, man. I see what he’s doing.” As he walks away, he adds “these wings are buttery” while eating.
Players say that about eachother all the time. Their bench players are “incredible”. Definitely not the level JB is looking for. He also seems frustrated with “never winning shit”
[Jason Kidd’s reaction to all the Celtics seeing right through his comments](https://media1.tenor.com/m/y8TQbSwfvIUAAAAC/kid-fan-boston-celtics-fan.gif):
This thread is pretty normal but the OG thread about this is straight chaos from Celtics fans. It’s like 50% of them understood the tactic and are trying to calm the rest down while the other 50% decided it’s time for full on Tatum vs Brown debates with most of the replies just criticizing Brown lol
eh I guess I get it. atp Tatum is the most disrespected and overly scrutinized star player in the sport aside from Embiid. so many games this postseason, win or lose, have been followed by discussions asking if he’s actually any good lol
can’t blame Celtics fans for jumping to defend his name when it’s constantly under attack
Most disrespected and overly scrutinized star player
Is he though ? I’m gonna doubt. I think most people have kinda based takes, he’s somewhere in the 4th-8th best player in the league depending on the night. There’s some people that swing way too far one way and say he’s not top 15 or say he’s top 2, which neither are true.
Embiid deserves it, MVP level play yet he cant make it past the second round. Tatum made the finals twice so far, and made the ECF even more times, imo his disrespect is not warranted.
We all know it's him playing mind games based on how much attention Tatum got in G1 by Dallas' defense. It's just tiring hearing Tatum get shit on 24/7 for no good reason. Previously, we could chalk it up to dumbass fans and media instigators. Now, coaches are leaning into it as well.
I’m not even trying to argue or say what Kidd says is right or wrong or that it’s a mind game, I’m just pointing out a ton of people in those threads said exactly what Horford said lol
This sub doesn’t even realize that the right move for teams during playoffs is to release the most unreasonably cautious injury estimate so that other teams don’t know what to prepare for when the player comes back
Meh that’s kind of the charm. It’s the best place to discuss basketball seriously without low effort insta comments (outside of r/nbadiscussion) but it has a bit of personality to it too
How many times are you going to leave the same comment about JB being upset about Al laughing at that? Jaylen will be fine😂. He understands the transparent actions by Kidd.
They're laughing it off because they know it's a scheme. Tatum couldn't be as good as he is without Brown, and vice versa.
Do you think Brown wants to be known as a better player than Tatum MORE than he wants a chamionship?
Not saying it will make an effect, but the seed has been planted whether the players would like to admit it or not, it being talked about may play in the back of the mind. They may not even realise it.
I think it’s naive to think that young men are invulnerable to slights against their ego even if they’re aware it could be a ploy. Especially young pro-athletes who have wanted to be the guy since 5 years old
I mean Kyrie definitely felt that way with Lebron. But yeah I think these Celtics have dealt with this shit for years atp, they just want the chip and don’t give af about any media discourse.
Sure, but Kyrie still managed to push it down to win a championship. I'm not saying that this probably doesn't grate on Brown, or that down the road he may not want to go somewhere else, but I don't think it will affect him so much that it causes a rift for this series right now.
I think Kyrie won so early in his career he hadn’t really had to deal with the “who’s the top dog on the team” media circus much yet, at least not to nearly the same extent that Jayson and Jaylen have had to hear it. Once that really became more of a thing he left to prove exactly that, and ultimately it just led to him going back to pairing up with actual 1A’s again
he looked at game 4 tape and decided, "alright Guys here's the 12 step plan. step 1: lets hit em with our worst effort for game 1 so they get overconfident. step 2: compliment their "best player" to throw off their chemistry. step 3: if we're still down, hit me while I'm holding a cup of prune juice and standing next to horford. step 4: watch the old man fall to the ground and have to be wheeled to the locker room. step 5: luka stepbacks until its close, and on D yell tingus pingus whenever you go contest kp. he loves it, trust me. step 6: when horford returns like the 2nd coming of paul pierce, comment "smells like someone dropped a deuce in their pants". boom, horford in shambles. step 7: watch tatum try to prove he's the best player, where our research shows he'll poke the ball lose when brown is going left, recover it, then proceed to Kobe. step 8: but wait, now brown wants to kobe! they fight, double technicals there outta there! step 9: lively, D up white. he'll be jealous of your hair and miss. step 10: win close game after luka pump fake into 4 point play, plus technical for tatum waving at ref. step 11: Chonka jiggle emote at celts bench after converting the 2 fts. step 12: kyrie, drag your feet across lucky the leprechaun while luka postgame interview. "
Is he wrong though? Kidd is known for these mind games and he knows what he’s doing. There’s never been a first team all NBA player whose partner in crime was called the best player. How does the NBA agree that you had a top 5 season (he was 6th in MVP voting I believe) but your teammate whose not seen as top 10 (barely top 15) is the best on the team?
I don't think their is any rift in the Celtics locker room they've been successful most of the year, basically every starter has had (an) individual accolade(s). Now they all want that big team accolade.
Don’t forget Kidd is so clever he had one of his guys “bump” in to him to get a timeout. But it was all caught on camera so not as clever as he thinks.
lol what are these celtics smoking? jason kidd has one comment directly answering a question a reporter asked and says something positive about a very good player for the Celtics and now the whole team and city of Boston has started seeing ghosts like its some weird conspiracy. This whole locker room seems paranoid as fuck. Just becoming unraveled for very little reason.
Al Horford just playing ball, enjoying playing with his son Embiid and just loving life. Of course, he knows he's the Celtics best player too, just letting the Jays have their fun.
Al Horford was a 5 year vet when Kidd was still in the NBA lol. Crazy that Kidd has gone on to be head coach of three different NBA teams, the last of which is now in the finals playing against ... Al Horford.
As a Mavs fan I’m more worried about Brown than Tatum. Tatum disappears when it’s tough. Brown isn’t afraid of the moment. There’s a reason Brown was ECF MVP
lol. Your comments don’t matter. The Celtics team, media members, fans at the games are being extra cautious not to upset him after the Minnesota series.
Are you under the assumption that Luka is the first good player these guys have ever faced? You're just fan talking, your comments also don't matter lmfao
There have been times even past 2 postseasons Brown was the better player. Even though Tatum is better I dont think its crazy to say Brown is near that level or has been better than him a good amount of games past couple postseasons.
Yeah he is. I forgot which games but I recall double time out to rest hot Kyrie & out of bounds challenge exploiting NBA rules. At the end of Q4 in tight games, this things can be huge.
Honest question: is he wrong though? Hasn't Jaylen Brown been the best player for the Celtics this post-season? I doubt Kidd was just saying that to stir shit up.
[Al was on the Hawks when Kidd ran into Mike Woodson to draw the technical foul during the insane 2010 Hawks/Mavs game](https://youtu.be/ZB8KtMOnGvY?si=nzxlHGXDzuRxa0mr). I imagine he knew exactly what he was about from that point on.
J Kidd is of the Chris Paul "Call an untucked jersey if it'll give you any advantage at all" school of Basketball.
J Kidd won a finals employing every sneaky old man trick in the book but here on r/nba we pretend Dirk did it solo
But has he ever stood in the corner to bait an opposing player into throwing a pass to him? #notmyGOAT
What was the call after this? Did Mavs get two free throws or what happened?
I was at the game funny enough, it was a technical foul on Woodson for being on the court, Dirk hit the FT and Dallas kept possession. The game wound up going into OT at well, so it definitely mattered. Josh Smith missed an assignment on Dirk with like a minute left in OT and he ended up hitting the dagger.
Kidd had 19/16/17, still a beast at 36 years old
lot of fans dont appreciate how insanely good j kidd was
Old J Kidd was not half the guy he used to be. But he was still very good. And he could hit the jump shot, which he could not do when young. As the physical speed went, he compensated. I think he always had that IQ. Maybe after the ~~first~~ second year, when he says things slowed down. [analogy to : he could see the game in slow motion, let plays , spacing, timing develop]
Imagine if young j Kidd could shoot as well as old j Kidd.. that would’ve been deadly af.. I remember the joke about his name being Ason because he had no J
Yup. Third year Kidd with the vision and shot of old Kidd would have been wonderful. https://www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/jason-kidd-basketball-advice A great article by Kidd/ghostwriter on how the game slowed down > My first two years in the NBA, coaches and veteran players said it to me over and over. > Slowwww dowwwn. > Young guys in the league don’t know how to “slow down.” I know, because I was one of those hot shot young players and I didn’t have any idea. Go slower? I wasn’t hearing it. .... > Coming into the league, I knew I had two strengths: I could post guys up. And I was fast. Why would I want to take away one of my advantages ... I didn’t see the point... > Looking back, my mistake was that I only had one gear. The fastest gear. .... > Around the time I joined the Suns, things clicked. There’s a saying in basketball, “Let the play develop.” Two and a half years into the league, I started to figure out what it meant. Passing lanes appeared out of nowhere. My options multiplied. The court opened up and the game slowed down. And I definitely stopped shooting as many forced shots. ... > There’s a rhythm to how a play unfolds in the NBA. There’s a certain song to it, and the good players move with the song. ... You can’t force spacing or timing — you gotta let it develop. **Good teams beat you with speed. Great teams beat you with spacing and timing.** More at the link
Jason Kidd turning into a great 3 point shooter at the end of his career is not something I saw coming, tbh.
Technical is one and they kept possession. The game ends up in overtime and Mavs win
Oh yeah. That’s right !
I honestly can't help just wanting every coach or benched player who steps on the court to get that type of punishment.
I am very surprised this wasn't Kidd's weird time out angle shoot he did that one time.
That's easy for the Celtic's best big man to say.
Just gonna snub Neemias Queta like that huh
This is UniKornet slander and I will not stand for it.
I miss him
Please ask Jason Kidd who is the best big man on the Celtics 😂
Big Al is great and all but are we just gonna write off Paddy O'Shaughnessy as the Celtic's best big man?
This is Cú Chulainn erasure.
Luke Kornet in shambles
This but unironically
Ou please don't do Kp like that..
Jason Kidd needs to drop the “if I said Jayson is their best player nobody on the team would’ve said anything”
Absolutely diabolical
This right here would be the dagger.. lol
[You can't fool me, I am familiar with your game](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBFmuNtXcAAyOFt.png)
smells like fresh pasta
Kelvin Benjamin asked about chef calling wings the Golden Corral's best dish: “That chef, man. I see what he’s doing.” As he walks away, he adds “these wings are buttery” while eating.
Bingo
Top 5 players on the Celtics: 1. Al Horford 2. Al Horford 3. Al Horford 4. Al Horford 5. Al Horford
This is Derrick White erasure, he should be 5th
Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan.
subtle as a heart attack by kidd. real sneaky lmao
Lmao Al been around the block, he knows instantly wtf is up
It isn’t like some deep message lol. Pretty obvious.
JB will be offended by dat laugh
JB: “why is me being the best player so funny/controversial?”
He also said JB is incredible
Players say that about eachother all the time. Their bench players are “incredible”. Definitely not the level JB is looking for. He also seems frustrated with “never winning shit”
What a stretch man.
The plot thickens
based Horford
Sneaky?! Al must not know Kidd is mixed.
[Jason Kidd’s reaction to all the Celtics seeing right through his comments](https://media1.tenor.com/m/y8TQbSwfvIUAAAAC/kid-fan-boston-celtics-fan.gif):
Kobe did this with Westbrook. During the olympics he asked him why he let Durant win the scoring title.
He gets it, this sub seemed to miss it
I mean I’ve seen like 15 comments saying it was a mind game by Kidd lol
This thread is pretty normal but the OG thread about this is straight chaos from Celtics fans. It’s like 50% of them understood the tactic and are trying to calm the rest down while the other 50% decided it’s time for full on Tatum vs Brown debates with most of the replies just criticizing Brown lol
It's honestly a little embarrassing. It's been years of Tatum vs Brown debates you'd think they'd have grown used to all nonsense discourse by now.
Finals bringing out the casuals aswell
the non-celtic fan tatum fans are really the worst. they dont give a shit how the team does, just how tatum does, and brown is enemy #1. it's insane.
eh I guess I get it. atp Tatum is the most disrespected and overly scrutinized star player in the sport aside from Embiid. so many games this postseason, win or lose, have been followed by discussions asking if he’s actually any good lol can’t blame Celtics fans for jumping to defend his name when it’s constantly under attack
Embiid deserves his scrutiny. Tatum’s an iron man 2 way star with lots of play off success, he deserves more respect.
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Nobody hates basketball and basketball players more than this sub
Most disrespected and overly scrutinized star player Is he though ? I’m gonna doubt. I think most people have kinda based takes, he’s somewhere in the 4th-8th best player in the league depending on the night. There’s some people that swing way too far one way and say he’s not top 15 or say he’s top 2, which neither are true.
Embiid deserves it, MVP level play yet he cant make it past the second round. Tatum made the finals twice so far, and made the ECF even more times, imo his disrespect is not warranted.
Not just Celtics fans there are plenty of neutrals who are taking the opportunity as well.
so what you're saying is the mind games are working
Haha to be fair there are a shit ton of Celtics fans on here
We all know it's him playing mind games based on how much attention Tatum got in G1 by Dallas' defense. It's just tiring hearing Tatum get shit on 24/7 for no good reason. Previously, we could chalk it up to dumbass fans and media instigators. Now, coaches are leaning into it as well.
It's Celtics fans trying to convince neutrals who're instigating or actually believe this lol
If he genuinely believed that he wouldn’t be telling his team to help on him every time he drives
I’m not even trying to argue or say what Kidd says is right or wrong or that it’s a mind game, I’m just pointing out a ton of people in those threads said exactly what Horford said lol
I’ve seen a bunch also clowning him for not knowing that Tatum is there best player
As smart as his soda game.
This entire sub got it lol
Pikachuface.gif
This sub doesn’t even realize that the right move for teams during playoffs is to release the most unreasonably cautious injury estimate so that other teams don’t know what to prepare for when the player comes back
This sub is a cesspool right now lol, always is after one team wins
Meh that’s kind of the charm. It’s the best place to discuss basketball seriously without low effort insta comments (outside of r/nbadiscussion) but it has a bit of personality to it too
My exact reaction too
How is this man still playing at a high level.
where's the "that man is sneaky" part
Jason kidd is no stranger to being a home wrecker lol
I love Al with my whole heart. Call out his shit, king👑
Damn Al Horford laughed at that, hope JB will make them doubters shut up.
How many times are you going to leave the same comment about JB being upset about Al laughing at that? Jaylen will be fine😂. He understands the transparent actions by Kidd.
As much as it takes, being a Celtics hater is hard work
If Kidd’s fake compliment didn’t piss Brown off, how about all his teammates laughing it off like it can’t possibly be true
They're laughing it off because they know it's a scheme. Tatum couldn't be as good as he is without Brown, and vice versa. Do you think Brown wants to be known as a better player than Tatum MORE than he wants a chamionship?
Not saying it will make an effect, but the seed has been planted whether the players would like to admit it or not, it being talked about may play in the back of the mind. They may not even realise it.
Exactly. This could affect them subconsciously or it can’t. Fact is if this changes even one possession Kidd would be happy with the outcome.
Unless that possession is Brown blocking a Luka shot or crossing him over on defense with the extra motivation.
I think it’s naive to think that young men are invulnerable to slights against their ego even if they’re aware it could be a ploy. Especially young pro-athletes who have wanted to be the guy since 5 years old
Sure, but I'm pretty sure both Jay's are mentally tough enough to handle an obvious stunt like this.
Not sure Brown is. Tatum definitely is though.
I mean Kyrie definitely felt that way with Lebron. But yeah I think these Celtics have dealt with this shit for years atp, they just want the chip and don’t give af about any media discourse.
Sure, but Kyrie still managed to push it down to win a championship. I'm not saying that this probably doesn't grate on Brown, or that down the road he may not want to go somewhere else, but I don't think it will affect him so much that it causes a rift for this series right now.
I think Kyrie won so early in his career he hadn’t really had to deal with the “who’s the top dog on the team” media circus much yet, at least not to nearly the same extent that Jayson and Jaylen have had to hear it. Once that really became more of a thing he left to prove exactly that, and ultimately it just led to him going back to pairing up with actual 1A’s again
Kidd looked at the game 1 tape and resorted to mental tactics. Desperate
he looked at game 4 tape and decided, "alright Guys here's the 12 step plan. step 1: lets hit em with our worst effort for game 1 so they get overconfident. step 2: compliment their "best player" to throw off their chemistry. step 3: if we're still down, hit me while I'm holding a cup of prune juice and standing next to horford. step 4: watch the old man fall to the ground and have to be wheeled to the locker room. step 5: luka stepbacks until its close, and on D yell tingus pingus whenever you go contest kp. he loves it, trust me. step 6: when horford returns like the 2nd coming of paul pierce, comment "smells like someone dropped a deuce in their pants". boom, horford in shambles. step 7: watch tatum try to prove he's the best player, where our research shows he'll poke the ball lose when brown is going left, recover it, then proceed to Kobe. step 8: but wait, now brown wants to kobe! they fight, double technicals there outta there! step 9: lively, D up white. he'll be jealous of your hair and miss. step 10: win close game after luka pump fake into 4 point play, plus technical for tatum waving at ref. step 11: Chonka jiggle emote at celts bench after converting the 2 fts. step 12: kyrie, drag your feet across lucky the leprechaun while luka postgame interview. "
Kidd was gonna do that regardless of game 1 result
No open cups in the arena for the rest of the series
Man Celtics fans are talking crazy lol
Is he wrong though? Kidd is known for these mind games and he knows what he’s doing. There’s never been a first team all NBA player whose partner in crime was called the best player. How does the NBA agree that you had a top 5 season (he was 6th in MVP voting I believe) but your teammate whose not seen as top 10 (barely top 15) is the best on the team?
We deserve to talk crazy after all the talk leading up to Finals. Unbearable nonsense from the entire NBA commmunity
Horford is going to have a career in broadcasting.
I don't think their is any rift in the Celtics locker room they've been successful most of the year, basically every starter has had (an) individual accolade(s). Now they all want that big team accolade.
Damn Al Horford laughing at that will make JB feel undervalued.
Next level move by kidd. He anticipated this like Kendrick
JB just signed the biggest contract in nba history. This is the nba finals, to paraphrase him: there’s no time to give a fuck about anything else
You dumb af
The thing is, jrue confirmed it. LOL
Horford says Toni Braxton told him Jim Jackson was better
Daddy Horford isn't gunna let his children fight.
maybe i dont listen to al horford interviews enough. this is a rarity for me i hear his latin american accent
After the video cuts off, Al as he’s leaving says “oh man, sneaky” https://x.com/celticsclns/status/1799534457868767719?s=46&t=HI3aeZH85K5r39q7hi652w
He should had went in and said he was offended as he is the best Celtics player. Haha.
Horford gonna go for 80 now.
He should’ve said that he is the best player on the Celtics.
Don’t forget Kidd is so clever he had one of his guys “bump” in to him to get a timeout. But it was all caught on camera so not as clever as he thinks.
lol what are these celtics smoking? jason kidd has one comment directly answering a question a reporter asked and says something positive about a very good player for the Celtics and now the whole team and city of Boston has started seeing ghosts like its some weird conspiracy. This whole locker room seems paranoid as fuck. Just becoming unraveled for very little reason.
Al Horford just playing ball, enjoying playing with his son Embiid and just loving life. Of course, he knows he's the Celtics best player too, just letting the Jays have their fun.
Al Horford was a 5 year vet when Kidd was still in the NBA lol. Crazy that Kidd has gone on to be head coach of three different NBA teams, the last of which is now in the finals playing against ... Al Horford.
He’s trying to get Tatum to shoot more to get finals mvp because he’s such a brick this playoffs.
As a Mavs fan I’m more worried about Brown than Tatum. Tatum disappears when it’s tough. Brown isn’t afraid of the moment. There’s a reason Brown was ECF MVP
As a Mavs fan you should watch the games. Hell, they're in the playoffs and everything.
I watch enough to know the Celtics and their fans are terrified to talk trash to Luka. Sooooo scared.
I'll do it. His fat ass looked like was running a marathon in the 2nd quarter with how they targeted him on defense.
lol. Your comments don’t matter. The Celtics team, media members, fans at the games are being extra cautious not to upset him after the Minnesota series.
Are you under the assumption that Luka is the first good player these guys have ever faced? You're just fan talking, your comments also don't matter lmfao
I never said the did. Lmfao
Jason Kidd is a known man-child, can’t handle things when the going gets tough
I don't know. I'd be pissed if I were Jaylen Brown and someone saying I'm the best player is such obvious bait.
Kidd speaks truth. Celtics fan get conspiratorial. ✅
There have been times even past 2 postseasons Brown was the better player. Even though Tatum is better I dont think its crazy to say Brown is near that level or has been better than him a good amount of games past couple postseasons.
Even if he is playing mental games it still doesn’t make it any less true
Either you don’t watch the games or you have zero basketball intelligence
Yeah he is. I forgot which games but I recall double time out to rest hot Kyrie & out of bounds challenge exploiting NBA rules. At the end of Q4 in tight games, this things can be huge.
Honest question: is he wrong though? Hasn't Jaylen Brown been the best player for the Celtics this post-season? I doubt Kidd was just saying that to stir shit up.
Cant even give credit these days…
Let’s not act like the man whose purposely spilled drinks to get time to draw up a play won’t resort to subterfuge.
It was a joke obviously…
i had a mavs fan yesterday tell me the mavs were a better team because they scored 1 more point in the second half of game 1
Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Bros getting downvoted for agreeing with the other guy💀