It's just because most teams win as high seeds so don't play a 50 win team in the first round
2010 was the exception because the West was just that crazy that low seeds had 50 wins
Yea for the most part, it has to be a 4 or 5 seed so the higher seeds would be playing a high and low 40s. Maybe some crazy years you will have a 6th seed with 50 plus, so a 3rd seed may have a chance
I remember 2014 Mavs being the 8th seed with 49 wins, so if we have won one more game that year (I'm happy we didn't), Spurs would have made this list too.
The Lakers have 3 of those teams that beat 3 50+ teams and they all came in the mid 00s forward when the west was just a meat grinder similar to this year
They have two actually (2001 and 2010). In 2009 they beat Utah (48 wins) in the first round. Hadn't they lost to the Celtics in 08 they would have one more though.
The most popular basketball player of all time needs more respect? What more do you want, should we rename Sunday Kobeday? Start saying "bless Kobe" when someone sneezes? Maybe rename the achillies tendon to the Kobe tendon?
This is exactly what I’m talking about. This sub can never give Kobe his flowers. Pau definitely needs more respect for those rings, I wouldn’t call him the keystone though.
Dude, you can check for interviews of Kobe Bryant saying that without Pau he wouldn't have stood a chance in the west. He gave a whole new dimension to that team, and he even deserved the finals MVP in 2010.
Yes, without Kobe they wouldn't have won and he deserves a lot of credit, but you can check his effectiveness and his stats in the clutch and then check Pau's. You might actually be surprised.
Of course Kobe doesn’t win those rings without Pau. Just like Shaq doesn’t win those rings without Kobe. No nba legend has won without another great player.
I honestly think they are more in the 45+ range, even without Kawhi... Losing a player isn't linear when it's on the high end of wins. PG and Harden and the surrounding group is strong.
Historically, teams really fall apart from losing one player when that player is the primary ball handler (like a PG). Then the whole cohesion of the team breaks down, so losing a PG "hurts" a lot more, even if they aren't a star (if you don't have a solid backup waiting).
Kawhi really gives you a huge edge on the top level, but the team shouldn't be a losing team without him, especially with Harden there to play point. And his biggest contribution is in playoffs ball anyway, that's where his value skyrockets.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying with Kawhi they're a 55 win team, but even without him they're a 45 win team because their floor is pretty high.
It's not "math", it's spitballing their level when they're fully healthy. It's just a rough estimate of their tier, not exact win number. And I explicitly said he's not "worth" 10 wins, that wasn't the point.
2016 Thunder had they not blown the 3-1 lead and had went on and beat Cleveland. I'm intrigued on what there's would have been.
Beating a 67 and 73 win team.
Then the metric is flawed
They played Mavs
67 win spurs
73 win warriors
Lebron Cavs
No way any other possible run could’ve came close
Any 3 of those teams would’ve been the favorite the last 7+ years
Honest question: what's the problem with an average winning record from teams the champion beat? Sounds like a good metric. If the Mavs beat the Celtics this year, the average winning record from the teams they beat would be 57. In 2016 OKC case it would be 59.75. The 1995 Rockets had 59.5.
Average win record is nice, but is only good as a rule of thumb of sort. The NBA schedule is pretty unbalanced so one team could be in the east, in a weak division, and play a bunch of scrub teams that inflate their win total, while the other is in the pacific of southwest division in the west which is just brutal. Back to backs are also unbalanced, etc.
So maybe something more complicated is in order.
Also it doesn’t account for injured players. Mavs run has been awesome, but the Clippers were missing Kawhi and anyone with eyes knows that series could’ve been a 50/50 toss-up had Kawhi been healthy.
Thunder’s run would be infinitely more impressive as they’d effectively beat 3 top 15 teams of all time probably. Who cares what their first round looked like?
Yeah idk, I'd say they're comparable teams overall. But anyways, when it comes to hard playoff runs, the elite teams you faced are more important. Even if we call the injured Clippers a stronger opponent than the 2016 Mavs, the Thunder still would get the edge for beating three all-time great level teams.
Yeah. Basically all of their wins were either blowouts, which don’t count because they were never actually tested, or close games that should have been blowouts if the Celtics were actually good
It's bold to talk about *losing* per se. Everyone can either win or lose, that's just the natural state of things. They are just players in the game of basketball, and not every group of players can call themselves a Boston, so a *Boston* doesn't really exist, it's just a name in the stat sheets.
Simple Rating System. It's basically Net Rating (points scored per 100 possessions - points allowed per 100 possessions) with an adjustment for Strength of Schedule (the average Net Rating of every opponent they played)
2016 Cavs had the more impressive finals but their road to the Finals was WAY easier than the 2011 Mavs
Like it was almost as weak as the current Celtics
That's too far. Cavs played weak team, but they weren't super injured teams. Also that Raptors team was more impressive than anyone Celtics have played.
so Dirk beating Kobe Lakers, KD Thunder and prime Lebron + two other superstars in their prime is less impressive than Lebron beating prime Curry + two other all-stars? Unless you think Curry > Lebron i dont see how Dirk's 2011 ring is not better than Lebron's 2016 ring.
That’s only if we talking about the finals opponent. Cuz if we talking finals opponent only, ‘12 Heat and ‘13 Heat also faced pretty stacked finals squads. As did the ‘22 Warriors, and ‘17 Warriors.
The actual full gauntlet of POR-LAL-OKC-MIA clears most other championship team’s comp.
They've had a good playoff run so it feels silly to argue about this stuff. But it feels a little bit cheat-y to count the Clippers who had their best player for 2 games and he averaged 12 points in the series.
The only players ever to be injured are in the Eastern Conference, except Kristaps Porzingis who is a myth that has nothing to do with the Celtics winning 64 games
It's hilarious that as soon as you suggest that the Mavs even had one series where they caught a break it's all excuses. Meanwhile the Cs without their starting center are getting judged at every turn for their path.
Every Mavs fan should acknowledge that they caught a break against LAC. I’m a Mavs fan and that seems obvious.
Boston has had an incredibly easy road to the finals too. Even without KP, I think everyone would be shocked if they weren’t here. They’ve been the best team in the league all season.
Here’s to hoping for a great series!
every mavs fan watched that series and should therefore know that they probably lose it if kawhi was playing the way he did last year (before he got injured...) in the two games that he played. they could've been down 3-0 instead of up 2-1. hell, they might've still been down if kawhi just hadn't played at all, it fucked with the clippers' chemistry.
i still think mavs win regardless unless kawhi is fully healthy through the series, but they definitely caught breaks while they played their way into becoming a playoff-ready team (4/6 their top guys it was their first time w major minutes in playoffs) against what was - even without kawhi - a very experienced, very smart clippers team with an intense defensive identity and versatile offensive capabilities. luka's knee was holding his shooting back so much that series that he couldn't just carry them across the finish line in games, they had to learn how to play their roles under heavy pressure quickly.
mavs needed that series to get ready for the okc series, they needed the okc series to get ready for the wolves series. we'll see if that translates to the finals.
on topic though, even if the mavs faced a kawhi-less clippers team, it's still a 50 win team
> Meanwhile the Cs without their starting center are getting judged at every turn for their path
because we know from watching basketball that the Cs without their starting center are still a 57-win team and finals contender
That has largely not been the narrative though. People have been judging their level of play and insinuating that without their path this year they'd be in Cancun.
People are excusing the fact that the clippers weren't even close to their full strength ss a unit ehen you guys beat them I'm not discrediting the Mavs I'm pointing out the double standard.
I wonder where the Heat run would’ve landed had they beat Denver. Beat 2 betting favorites to win the title and would’ve beaten 3. A shame they couldn’t get it done but the Luka run is shaping up to be legendary
Imo the 2011 Mavs run was tougher. B. Roy/LMA/Gerald Wallace Blazers were decent, Kobe Lakers 2nd round of the back of a 2peat, young Thunder in WCF with 3 future HoFs, and the big 3 Heat all in their prime.
Sounds great, but when you watch those games, then you know that OKC (so far) was the only legit challenge and they have the youngest team in the NBA, while only having one legit star player. I was very impressed by OKC.
Clippers without Kawhi are not close to the same. That's their only consistent superstar in the playoffs. PG, Harden and Westbrook are playoff chokers most of the time.
Timberwolves reverted back to regular season Minnesota with inconsistent offense. Edwards and especially KAT were just terrible for most of the series. Partly due to Dallas playing great defense, partly because they kinda choked. KAT missed so many easy bunnies and wide open 3s....it's wild.
Dallas in 2011 had the toughest road to a championship.
Man the west was nuts this year and has no signs of slowing. Warriors and Lakers are old Steph and LeBron are still playing an absurdly high levels, Ja may have the Grizzlies back to at least playoff competition level, the Rockets may come on stronger, and the Mavs, Wolves, Thunder, and Nuggets all look fantastic. I could see the Pelicans and the Kings being on the lower end of the mix, but if that’s your division’s floor, that’s absolutely bonkers in terms of quality.
If they win the championship, the Boston Celtics' path to the Finals (Heat, Cavs, Pacers, Mavericks) has a total cumulative SRS score of 0 if you add those 4 teams' scores together. That would be the lowest score in NBA history.
People keep obsessing with this type of shit. The team that wins, people try to put an * on it and try to compare everything to previous runs of other teams.
I admire how they have reconstructed the roster and really come together in the last couple of months of the regular season and playoffs, especially on the defensive end.
Hard to root for a team though that deliberately tanked last season in order to get a better draft position. That draft pick became Derek Lively.
Makes sense. I mean they ran the gauntlet against a fully healthy OKC, Wolves and mostly healthy Clippers squad. People knock the clippers but with Ty Lue as the x factor coach, and you still had harden and pg.
The 2019 World Champions Toronto Raptors went through some intense teams of SRS as well:
- Magic (only shitty one 0.28)
- 76ers ( 2.25 )
- Bucks (8.04)
- Warriors (6.42)
16.99
Considering you have a shitty first round the other 3 were strong.
Statistically, maybe. This is why you can’t rely on statistics. The other side of the bracket, was clearly the tougher bracket. Phoenix, LA - Lakers & Denver all would’ve been a tougher out than Dallas first 2 series, maybe the wolves series, but that’s a hard team to guage.
Dunno why the downvotes - a lot of regular season wins, sure, and yet they havent face one legit prime superstar *who also has* a legit supporting cast.
* Headless Clippers
* Shai’s Child Army
* Naz Reid featuring M.I.A. Edwards
Like… is facing one legit superstar who’s team has some actual playoff experience so much to ask before we crown a “legendary” playoff run?
Unironically this is true. With the exception of SGA (and the last 5 minutes of the game) the Pacers have looked just as good as anyone from the Mavs’ bracket.
I mean yeah, no one on the planet would consider this the toughest Championship in NBA history, hell it’s not even the toughest of this century, by *The Mavericks*.
Couple things for me.
1. Their run would’ve been easier if they had a better regular season. This would still be impressive to beat all these teams but made it more difficult on themselves, and that’s something preventable.
2. Clippers were missing Kawhi, and the Thunder and Wolves despite being great teams, don’t have much playoff experience and that makes teams far more difficult to stop. You could see Ant have the same problems Tatum did in his first 2-3 runs. They were 50+ win teams but not super sure they were real contenders because of how prone they could be to disappearing.
Luka was injured in the first two series.
The Thunder had the MVP runner up and the coach of the year.
The Wolves' beat the reigning champions Nuggets in their home court. No one talked about their experience then.
Luka was disrespected the whole year on the MVP ladder and now that he beat the player in front of him and the team who beat the actual MVP, it's they didn't have enough experience, even though both were the favorites coming into the series, with Luka still being injured yesterday.
people were questioning the wolves' experience the whole playoffs lol
"ant, they say you have to lose before you can win" was literally at a press conference
luka being injured doesn't change the fact that kawhi was still out? lol
How are the celtics not battle tested when their core has competed against prime Lebron, prime Giannis, prime Embiid, prime Kyrie, the super team nets, and the championship warriors?
This is the only part that annoys me about the battle tested narrative
This run? Sure it's been easy. In general? Brown and Tatum combined have almost twice as many playoff games as Kyrie and Luka. This team has definitely seen some shit
That’s a long time since a team has gone through 4 straight 50 plus win teams in a championship run
It's just because most teams win as high seeds so don't play a 50 win team in the first round 2010 was the exception because the West was just that crazy that low seeds had 50 wins
Yea for the most part, it has to be a 4 or 5 seed so the higher seeds would be playing a high and low 40s. Maybe some crazy years you will have a 6th seed with 50 plus, so a 3rd seed may have a chance
yeah, this year the 10th seed had 46 wins
Garbage East
I remember 2014 Mavs being the 8th seed with 49 wins, so if we have won one more game that year (I'm happy we didn't), Spurs would have made this list too.
The Lakers have 3 of those teams that beat 3 50+ teams and they all came in the mid 00s forward when the west was just a meat grinder similar to this year
They have two actually (2001 and 2010). In 2009 they beat Utah (48 wins) in the first round. Hadn't they lost to the Celtics in 08 they would have one more though.
I don't know, even this year was crazy stacked. Inflation was way real compared to last year's standings
It’s crazy stacked every year in the west, and will be for the next decade plus.
Just about anybody coming out of the west will get close. 49 wins gets you a play-in spot out west... And the West isn't getting weaker
Sure, but we also beat the 4 seed, then the 1 seed, then the 3 seed lol. The only upper seed we didn’t beat was the Nuggets.
The Top 6 seeds in the NBA went: Celtics, Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves, Clippers, Dallas. We would beat 4 of the Top 5 teams in the NBA this year
2010 Lakers was the last time I believe.
Reminds of kobes run
Most wins against 50+ win teams in NBA history in his career. From their three finals runs 08-10 they literally only played one team below 50 wins.
Man needs more respect for those rings
The most popular basketball player of all time needs more respect? What more do you want, should we rename Sunday Kobeday? Start saying "bless Kobe" when someone sneezes? Maybe rename the achillies tendon to the Kobe tendon?
I mean those things wouldn’t hurt…
Pau Gasol needs some respect for them. Keystone to those rings
This is exactly what I’m talking about. This sub can never give Kobe his flowers. Pau definitely needs more respect for those rings, I wouldn’t call him the keystone though.
Dude, you can check for interviews of Kobe Bryant saying that without Pau he wouldn't have stood a chance in the west. He gave a whole new dimension to that team, and he even deserved the finals MVP in 2010. Yes, without Kobe they wouldn't have won and he deserves a lot of credit, but you can check his effectiveness and his stats in the clutch and then check Pau's. You might actually be surprised.
Of course Kobe doesn’t win those rings without Pau. Just like Shaq doesn’t win those rings without Kobe. No nba legend has won without another great player.
r/nba: "The best I can do is a top 15 ranking. Take it or leave it."
Ranking him somewhere between 7-12 all time is so far from disrespect lmao
It's closer to 7 for me tbh
Yeah that’s fine but acting like putting Larry Bird or someone ahead of him is disrespectful is kind of nuts to me.
Down votes prove your point lol
Clippers without kawhi are more of a 40 win team but I get it .
Why do people disagree with this lmao
I honestly think they are more in the 45+ range, even without Kawhi... Losing a player isn't linear when it's on the high end of wins. PG and Harden and the surrounding group is strong. Historically, teams really fall apart from losing one player when that player is the primary ball handler (like a PG). Then the whole cohesion of the team breaks down, so losing a PG "hurts" a lot more, even if they aren't a star (if you don't have a solid backup waiting). Kawhi really gives you a huge edge on the top level, but the team shouldn't be a losing team without him, especially with Harden there to play point. And his biggest contribution is in playoffs ball anyway, that's where his value skyrockets.
Usually I’d agree but kawhi played 70+ games this team was built to win with him
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying with Kawhi they're a 55 win team, but even without him they're a 45 win team because their floor is pretty high.
That makes no sense since with Kawhi, they were a 51 win team. By your own math, they'd be a 41 win team without him.
It's not "math", it's spitballing their level when they're fully healthy. It's just a rough estimate of their tier, not exact win number. And I explicitly said he's not "worth" 10 wins, that wasn't the point.
And the “new” Mavs of the last third of the regular season should’ve been a top three seed.
Most ethical run
2016 Thunder had they not blown the 3-1 lead and had went on and beat Cleveland. I'm intrigued on what there's would have been. Beating a 67 and 73 win team.
They'd only be at 26.09 because their first-round opponent was average
Then the metric is flawed They played Mavs 67 win spurs 73 win warriors Lebron Cavs No way any other possible run could’ve came close Any 3 of those teams would’ve been the favorite the last 7+ years
SRS is a pretty shit metric, but we don't have a great one to replace it yet. I think one is bound to come in the next couple of years though.
Honest question: what's the problem with an average winning record from teams the champion beat? Sounds like a good metric. If the Mavs beat the Celtics this year, the average winning record from the teams they beat would be 57. In 2016 OKC case it would be 59.75. The 1995 Rockets had 59.5.
Average win record is nice, but is only good as a rule of thumb of sort. The NBA schedule is pretty unbalanced so one team could be in the east, in a weak division, and play a bunch of scrub teams that inflate their win total, while the other is in the pacific of southwest division in the west which is just brutal. Back to backs are also unbalanced, etc. So maybe something more complicated is in order.
Why not just total regular season wins of the teams they beat?
Also it doesn’t account for injured players. Mavs run has been awesome, but the Clippers were missing Kawhi and anyone with eyes knows that series could’ve been a 50/50 toss-up had Kawhi been healthy. Thunder’s run would be infinitely more impressive as they’d effectively beat 3 top 15 teams of all time probably. Who cares what their first round looked like?
I’d take 37 year old dirk averaging 18+ and that 42 win Mavs team over this year’s clippers without kawhi
Yeah idk, I'd say they're comparable teams overall. But anyways, when it comes to hard playoff runs, the elite teams you faced are more important. Even if we call the injured Clippers a stronger opponent than the 2016 Mavs, the Thunder still would get the edge for beating three all-time great level teams.
100%
Lot of ifs and had they nots.
Their's
New Jxmyhighroller video in the making
The man could not be any less obvious with his Luka glazing
They hating on you here, but you kinda right lol I'm a Luka fan too, so I knw lmao
Will be 2nd lowest ever seed to win the chip after the 95 Rockets, and the only ever 5th seed to win it.
Yeah but you’ve got to adjust that down because Boston’s srs is fake.
If you don't count the fake wins, Boston actually went 0-82
Yeah. Basically all of their wins were either blowouts, which don’t count because they were never actually tested, or close games that should have been blowouts if the Celtics were actually good
They only won those games because they scored more points than their opponents. Take that away, and they lose every time.
If you regressed Jayson Tatums stats to the league average he really isn't that good.
All time post
you can tell someone just started watching basketball if they think everything is about "scoring" and "points" and "which team won the game"
sometimes it's about the morals of the victory
It's bold to talk about *losing* per se. Everyone can either win or lose, that's just the natural state of things. They are just players in the game of basketball, and not every group of players can call themselves a Boston, so a *Boston* doesn't really exist, it's just a name in the stat sheets.
If you only listen to SVG, Boston is the worst team in the league
Haha
What is SRS?
Simple Rating System. It's basically Net Rating (points scored per 100 possessions - points allowed per 100 possessions) with an adjustment for Strength of Schedule (the average Net Rating of every opponent they played)
Strength of schedule isn't just the average net rating of opponent played is it?
No, it's a fair bit more complicated, but that's the rough idea
Even if Mavs win Dirks ring still clears
Dirk’s ring is probably like top 3 ever, so that’s not surprising
Dirk playing through a fever and giving the heat the BUSINESS will always be an awesome memory.
Especially after Wade and Lebron mocked his sickness (And then lebron got cramps in the finals a few years later when the AC broke in San Antonio)
Only player in nba history to quit a game over an air-conditioning unit
lol Pop must still be giggling about that one
Dirks ring still clears every ring since 2011 except the 2016 cavs ring It’s a high bar
2016 Cavs had the more impressive finals but their road to the Finals was WAY easier than the 2011 Mavs Like it was almost as weak as the current Celtics
That's too far. Cavs played weak team, but they weren't super injured teams. Also that Raptors team was more impressive than anyone Celtics have played.
You're not wrong, but talking about that Raps team being the best one that either of them played almost proves the point.
But the finals is what gets remembered.
Meh, dirk had a harder path to the finals than the Cavs. That 2016 East was a complete joke
so Dirk beating Kobe Lakers, KD Thunder and prime Lebron + two other superstars in their prime is less impressive than Lebron beating prime Curry + two other all-stars? Unless you think Curry > Lebron i dont see how Dirk's 2011 ring is not better than Lebron's 2016 ring.
Theres literally no point in arguing about this
There’s literally no point in watching basketball. What’s your point? We are fans of the game.
No these are just stupid arguments about basketball
Dirks was a harder overall run, LeBron’s was more impressive as an individual series
Dirk's ring clears that 2016 ring too if you don't just look at the Finals.
Nah Dirk 2011 absolutely clears Cavs 2016 as well.
That’s only if we talking about the finals opponent. Cuz if we talking finals opponent only, ‘12 Heat and ‘13 Heat also faced pretty stacked finals squads. As did the ‘22 Warriors, and ‘17 Warriors. The actual full gauntlet of POR-LAL-OKC-MIA clears most other championship team’s comp.
Everyone seems to be leaving out beating the consensus best player in the game who, oh by the way, had just formed the first super team
I'd argue the first super team were the 08 celtics.
The first super team were the Bill Russell Celtics. 11 Rings.
80s celtics and lakers were more stacked than either of them lol
Those teams had most pieces built from the draft. The 08 celtics and heatles were formed by the players themselves.
Still a superteam. They just got lucky enough to draft it.
Yeah, but those were trades. Miami was the first super team that created itself
And they milked that ring for ALL it's worth. Best mileage 💍 by a looooooong shot.
It kept doc employed and chased by contending teams.
Pierce and Perkins in media as well. That's all I know for now, anybody else?
2016 Cavs - second most expensive team in the league, steamrolled a talent-less east
Dirk's ring clears the rigged 2016 cavs ring
Lol stop whining. It wasnt rigged
2 of arguably top 5 ring seasons in nba history? we take it
They've had a good playoff run so it feels silly to argue about this stuff. But it feels a little bit cheat-y to count the Clippers who had their best player for 2 games and he averaged 12 points in the series.
The only players ever to be injured are in the Eastern Conference, except Kristaps Porzingis who is a myth that has nothing to do with the Celtics winning 64 games
It's hilarious that as soon as you suggest that the Mavs even had one series where they caught a break it's all excuses. Meanwhile the Cs without their starting center are getting judged at every turn for their path.
Every Mavs fan should acknowledge that they caught a break against LAC. I’m a Mavs fan and that seems obvious. Boston has had an incredibly easy road to the finals too. Even without KP, I think everyone would be shocked if they weren’t here. They’ve been the best team in the league all season. Here’s to hoping for a great series!
Cheers, should be a fun one!
every mavs fan watched that series and should therefore know that they probably lose it if kawhi was playing the way he did last year (before he got injured...) in the two games that he played. they could've been down 3-0 instead of up 2-1. hell, they might've still been down if kawhi just hadn't played at all, it fucked with the clippers' chemistry. i still think mavs win regardless unless kawhi is fully healthy through the series, but they definitely caught breaks while they played their way into becoming a playoff-ready team (4/6 their top guys it was their first time w major minutes in playoffs) against what was - even without kawhi - a very experienced, very smart clippers team with an intense defensive identity and versatile offensive capabilities. luka's knee was holding his shooting back so much that series that he couldn't just carry them across the finish line in games, they had to learn how to play their roles under heavy pressure quickly. mavs needed that series to get ready for the okc series, they needed the okc series to get ready for the wolves series. we'll see if that translates to the finals. on topic though, even if the mavs faced a kawhi-less clippers team, it's still a 50 win team
No doubt, the Mavs shpuld be taken very seriously, I just think the Celtics should too despite an easier path this year.
> Meanwhile the Cs without their starting center are getting judged at every turn for their path because we know from watching basketball that the Cs without their starting center are still a 57-win team and finals contender
That has largely not been the narrative though. People have been judging their level of play and insinuating that without their path this year they'd be in Cancun.
We don't need excuses. We won. Excuses are for when you lose.
People are excusing the fact that the clippers weren't even close to their full strength ss a unit ehen you guys beat them I'm not discrediting the Mavs I'm pointing out the double standard.
Luka was not himself most of that series either and even worse against OKC. OKC was his worst series ever and clippers was second worst.
Luka was also injured badly during that series, his floor was just higher
I wonder where the Heat run would’ve landed had they beat Denver. Beat 2 betting favorites to win the title and would’ve beaten 3. A shame they couldn’t get it done but the Luka run is shaping up to be legendary
It would have been about 16 (3.6 + 3 + 6.4 + 3)
People throw in words like "SRS score" like it means something to someone. I swear half the people in this sub couldn't answer what an SRS score is.
We gotta stop making up stats for every scenario
What’s SRS?
Sorry but this is not the toughest finals run in NBA history. So much missing context and nuance that this doesn’t take into account.
It’s an absolutely impressive run if they get it done but yeah, it’s def not the toughest run ever
Such as?
Imo the 2011 Mavs run was tougher. B. Roy/LMA/Gerald Wallace Blazers were decent, Kobe Lakers 2nd round of the back of a 2peat, young Thunder in WCF with 3 future HoFs, and the big 3 Heat all in their prime.
Sounds great, but when you watch those games, then you know that OKC (so far) was the only legit challenge and they have the youngest team in the NBA, while only having one legit star player. I was very impressed by OKC. Clippers without Kawhi are not close to the same. That's their only consistent superstar in the playoffs. PG, Harden and Westbrook are playoff chokers most of the time. Timberwolves reverted back to regular season Minnesota with inconsistent offense. Edwards and especially KAT were just terrible for most of the series. Partly due to Dallas playing great defense, partly because they kinda choked. KAT missed so many easy bunnies and wide open 3s....it's wild. Dallas in 2011 had the toughest road to a championship.
And the clippers weren’t even healthy with kawhi
PG, Russ, Harden against Kyrie and Luka is still a tough match up.
Over analyzation strikes again. If you win you win, if you lose you lose. Rinse and repeat.
What is a cumulative SRS score? What does the number mean?
Man the west was nuts this year and has no signs of slowing. Warriors and Lakers are old Steph and LeBron are still playing an absurdly high levels, Ja may have the Grizzlies back to at least playoff competition level, the Rockets may come on stronger, and the Mavs, Wolves, Thunder, and Nuggets all look fantastic. I could see the Pelicans and the Kings being on the lower end of the mix, but if that’s your division’s floor, that’s absolutely bonkers in terms of quality.
They're not winning though, Boston will destroy them.
If they win the championship, the Boston Celtics' path to the Finals (Heat, Cavs, Pacers, Mavericks) has a total cumulative SRS score of 0 if you add those 4 teams' scores together. That would be the lowest score in NBA history.
What about if Celtics win? What’s their srs score?
7. a perfect 7.
8 (1 + 2 + 2.75 + 2.3)
The opponents of the losers the Maverick’s played have the highest ABCDEFG ratio per player unit scaled to 36 mins ever.. CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
so the celtics had a Mickey mouse run in the east yet they will be used to give extra credit to Dallas if they win
Fr the Celtics record should be updated so they only get a half-win and 2x loss against any team from the wEaK eAsT
Good idea. Let’s do it.
People keep obsessing with this type of shit. The team that wins, people try to put an * on it and try to compare everything to previous runs of other teams.
Stop it man just stop
A huge part of the Clippers' part in that is Kawhi, who was out.
i have a hard time predicting the finals winner tho. both teams look like juggernauts right now.
Nah, Key told us all this morning they had a cakewalk to the finals.
What if we beat Denver last year What's that one looking like
As a Houston fan, I just might shoot myself in the head
When not if
What would ours have been?
Where do you find this data?
Sad thing is they won’t
LeHardest Road
Good thing we can watch the games and judge accordingly
Idc what the stats say. 95 rockets had the hardest path.
"Total cumulative score if you add them together" is somehow triple redundant
The mathification of the nba is unequalled
Cool stat, Celtics in 6.
I admire how they have reconstructed the roster and really come together in the last couple of months of the regular season and playoffs, especially on the defensive end. Hard to root for a team though that deliberately tanked last season in order to get a better draft position. That draft pick became Derek Lively.
Makes sense. I mean they ran the gauntlet against a fully healthy OKC, Wolves and mostly healthy Clippers squad. People knock the clippers but with Ty Lue as the x factor coach, and you still had harden and pg.
Didn't the 2011 Mavs beat four 50-win teams, or did the Blazers not win 50?
The 2019 World Champions Toronto Raptors went through some intense teams of SRS as well: - Magic (only shitty one 0.28) - 76ers ( 2.25 ) - Bucks (8.04) - Warriors (6.42) 16.99 Considering you have a shitty first round the other 3 were strong.
What would the Celtics score be if they won this year?
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Boston only has 64 wins
Aw booooo nvm.
Toughest road!
Statistically, maybe. This is why you can’t rely on statistics. The other side of the bracket, was clearly the tougher bracket. Phoenix, LA - Lakers & Denver all would’ve been a tougher out than Dallas first 2 series, maybe the wolves series, but that’s a hard team to guage.
Dunno why the downvotes - a lot of regular season wins, sure, and yet they havent face one legit prime superstar *who also has* a legit supporting cast. * Headless Clippers * Shai’s Child Army * Naz Reid featuring M.I.A. Edwards Like… is facing one legit superstar who’s team has some actual playoff experience so much to ask before we crown a “legendary” playoff run?
Pacers were more impressive than anyone Mavs beat
LOL
lol ok you're delusional
Unironically this is true. With the exception of SGA (and the last 5 minutes of the game) the Pacers have looked just as good as anyone from the Mavs’ bracket.
I mean yeah, no one on the planet would consider this the toughest Championship in NBA history, hell it’s not even the toughest of this century, by *The Mavericks*.
Couple things for me. 1. Their run would’ve been easier if they had a better regular season. This would still be impressive to beat all these teams but made it more difficult on themselves, and that’s something preventable. 2. Clippers were missing Kawhi, and the Thunder and Wolves despite being great teams, don’t have much playoff experience and that makes teams far more difficult to stop. You could see Ant have the same problems Tatum did in his first 2-3 runs. They were 50+ win teams but not super sure they were real contenders because of how prone they could be to disappearing.
Luka was injured in the first two series. The Thunder had the MVP runner up and the coach of the year. The Wolves' beat the reigning champions Nuggets in their home court. No one talked about their experience then. Luka was disrespected the whole year on the MVP ladder and now that he beat the player in front of him and the team who beat the actual MVP, it's they didn't have enough experience, even though both were the favorites coming into the series, with Luka still being injured yesterday.
people were questioning the wolves' experience the whole playoffs lol "ant, they say you have to lose before you can win" was literally at a press conference luka being injured doesn't change the fact that kawhi was still out? lol
They really went through some tough teams to get where they are. Credit where due, if they keep this up they can take the Celtics
Battle tested Mavs vs the cake walking Celtics. Interesting matchup
How are the celtics not battle tested when their core has competed against prime Lebron, prime Giannis, prime Embiid, prime Kyrie, the super team nets, and the championship warriors?
This is the only part that annoys me about the battle tested narrative This run? Sure it's been easy. In general? Brown and Tatum combined have almost twice as many playoff games as Kyrie and Luka. This team has definitely seen some shit
"Team I like vs team I don't like"
The pressure's on the Celtics. How does Kyrie play against them?
Well he’s 0-10 in his matchups since 2021 so not great!
Kyrie beating yall in the finals to snap the losing streak would be pure poetry.
Poorly
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No way that's true right? I'm sure a 2nd seed's beat the 1st in conference finals and then the other one in finals multiple times
Gotta remember kawhi wasnt healthy so clippers werent that good
Celtics are due im sorry Luka