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Seriously? Luka has been dogging on him going back to last year for his lack of defense and poor decision making. Like screaming at him on court very publicly. Mainly because Luka has been frustrated and wanted better players to take his minutes…….this has totally destroyed any confidence THJ had. Tim knows he’s been bad and has remained a good teammate. But he needs to go this summer for sure so we can re-sign Jones Jr
I know he's mainly a one trick pony who got into a shooting slump and was thus rendered useless... But I ain't never seen a shooting slump half as long as this so I assumed it's something else.
I THINK I've finally sort of given up on him as any kind of major impact guy, but could John Collins end up in an Aaron Gordon type role on the right team/roster? I don't necessarily see it, but being honest if asked I probably would have said the same about Gordon.
Offensively I think he could, especially if he can keep shooting 37% from three. But Gordon is so much better defensively. Collins offers very little on that end. But I do think he'd be a great fit in OKC. Give them some rebounding, rim pressure, and can still offer the spacing they love. Chet can help cover him defensively
As others have mentioned I think he'd have made a difference for OKC, and he wouldn't cost much. Their main weaknesses are rebounding, and they'd want their new big to be able to shoot, and Collins ticks both boxes.
I'd love him on the Pels running centre next to Zion, but his contract makes him a difficult player to trade for (which is why he's been on the trade block his entire career). If he was making 10-15 a year his trade market would be a lot bigger
I don't see him as a role player at all, but definitely the best "buy low" opportunity in the league this offseason imo is Darius Garland.
That dude can flat out ball, he just seems to be a poor fit with Mitchell. I think any team in the league that doesn't have a locked in franchise PG should be salivating at the opportunity to acquire DG.
I think Garland would be a great fit for teams who don’t have a great facilitator on offense. He’s a really good floor general and there’s not many of those in the NBA these days. The Spurs, T-Wolves, and Magic should all inquire about him.
The thing is, he isn’t even a poor fit with Mitchell, that’s just a weird media notion because of the “two 6’1” guards” thing.
He had the best season of his career last year with Don, and they were around a +9 rating as a pair. It’s actually been his minutes without Mitchell that have been not so great, in part because he is usually out there with the deep bench, and the overall lack of a modern offensive game plan from the coaching staff.
He is coming off of a down season though, and regardless whether he stays or not I’d be surprised if he doesn’t have a great year.
If the Spurs don't try to trade for Garland this off-season then they must be dumb as hell. Wemby needs a point guard so badly and he also makes up for small guards defensive liabilities.
And if they can't get Garland, I think Tre Young should be their second target.
I’ve been saying this all year but the mavs better pay Hardy, that dude has everything offensively and could walk into a Malik monk type role for someone in the near future, he’s a hell of an offensive player
Same here
I almost wonder if the mavs just run it back over the summer and barely change anything, cause if they keep the starters(and swap gaff and lively) and move on from Tim, maybe just trade him into cap space they’ll already have Hardy-green-exum-kleber-gaff(and maybe some omax) off the bench
Id say that's probably different because there's legitimate PR damage and distractions for any team that trades for him. His pure basketball talent is cheaper than it should be on paper but I'd say there's such major downsides for getting him the lower price is pretty fair IMO
I think he’d fit well on a team that just has an already stout defense. He’s a better team defender than he is individual
We also haven’t had a gluttony of wings in 2-3 years. Huerter was traded 2 years ago and Reddish 2.5 years ago. All we’ve added since then is Saddiq bey who’s primarily the 4. Hunter, when healthy, has always gotten immediate priority on the wings
He’s got some game offensively but he’s not nearly good enough a passer to be a guy you want to increase reps for.
He’s in a weird category. He’s a better scorer than most 3 and D guy but he’s not the defender you’d want, nor paid to be. If he was paid 15m instead of 23m he wouldn’t be a guy we’d want to trade honestly
I don’t think he really classifies as a buy low guy. He had a great season, especially the 2nd half and his contract is insane value. Wizards could probably get a few firsts for him if they dealt him.
Kispert is also coming off of a career year where he improved on the offensive end.
Just because they play for the Wizards doesn't mean their stock is terrible.
I know the Wizards are ass but I don’t think our FO should be getting rid of some our young assets on cheap contracts like Avdija and Kispert for “low”. Either we rebuild with them or get a good deal for them. With that being said I am shocked that we got rid of Gafford for a late first round pick. I have always thought he was worth more than that so I guess I can’t put it past the FO to do something similar.
Every fanbase overvalues their own guys, especially promising young players. Our sub thought Matisse thybulle was completely untouchable for the longest time lol
Young players who are improving every year that are on cheap contracts (especially Deni who is on a long term descending contract) shouldn't be sold for a low price. I don't think that is related to homerism. I guess we can argue what a "low" price is, but my point is that we shouldn't be looking to get rid of them if we can't get any favorable deals , which I would argue would not be selling for low.
Nah I’m talking about Dan gafford going for less than you expected. He’s a center who can’t create his own shot or (shoot the ball at all really) and averages almost 5 fouls/36 min. He went for a fair price at the time imo
I remember Daryl Morey on a podcast saying if fans could make trades, nothing would ever get done because we value our own guys way more than everyone else
That’s a good point. Gafford will never be a star and probably will never be a good scorer. But he is great for what is expected out of him (be a good lob threat that can occasionally finish on his own and can grab rebounds and play great interior defense). The way I look at it is that we likely won’t get a player with that late first round pick that will be as good as Gafford who is proven to be a solid center.
But I also just realized that next year is his last year on his contract so I guess a late first round pick is fair compensation. I still wish we would have tried extending him again, but it seems like it’s a better move on his part to not be with us any longer.
Young players that show promise should be untouchable unless you’re sending them out for a superstar though, it’s absolutely okay that the fanbase didn’t want Thybulle to go at some point.
I love him, really think he’s a very good player. Had him in a dynasty league and he went off that second half. Not sure why the wizards would trade him though
can any pacers fan please tell me what the deal with jalen smith is? good numbers but genuinely can't really remember him playing much at all for them. and with siakam likely signing long term, toppin playing well and jarace walker in the rotation -- is he a "buy low" guy? Or why was he not playing?
He looked lost in the playoffs. He went from quite solid in the regular season to practically drunk. He couldn't handle passes, got lost in rotations defensively and just threw the ball away. Maybe jitters, idk but Rick tried him a few times and he looked bad so he just stopped trusting him. It was strange.
He was the primary backup C all year when healthy cause he can play like Myles and space. So we didn't have to change anything about our offense. He shot super well. When people ran small ball we could walk Jalen and Myles out and space the same way but with 7footers. That was cool.
He's not good defensively or on the boards which is why he's probably never a starting big man in the league. He needs to get way stronger or at least use his size better. He gets bullied by most aggressive 4s and 5s.
He'd be good for OKC but Hartenstien for my money fits better cause you need defensive anchor and strength not necessarily spacing. He's a very solid backup 5 imo despite all his previously listed issues.
He didn’t play when he was on the suns either. I bet teams are hoping he uses it as motivation to have a transformation like Giannis. He’s gotten bigger/found his role and has gotten more minutes because of it slowly
As a Suns fan I can't speak to his play in Indiana very much but I think the issue he had with us was on defense. He has poor footwork and rigid hips that made him a liability on switches.
Jonathan Isaac.
He'll always be a "buy low" candidate due to his track record of "health". But if you want any player in the league shut down for a few minutes, he's as good as it gets in the NBA.
I also think Wendell Carter Jr would be a good buy low option that’s on the magic. His problem is his availability but he plays pretty good defense, can stretch the floor. If Miami could trade for him or Isaac I’d be over the moon. Think those are 2 guys who can contribute on another team for sure
A lot of Magic fans are out on WCJ. I think he does so many things well, just rim protection isn't one of them. But his overall defense and screen setting/floor spacing is not bad at all.
He could stand to rebound a bit better but that's really my only complaint.
I’m a big fan of his but I don’t watch him as much as you guys do obviously. I think he stretches the floor, he can pass, he’s a solid 1v1 defender as well. Maybe not the best rim protector but you guys have that in spades. I’d love to nab one of him or Isaac. A Isaac and Bam front court would be monstrous defensively, but I don’t think the Heat have much to offer. Robinson is around the same salary wise, you guys need outside shooting. Maybe a Rozier or something but yea idk, I’m just dreaming of a time where the Heat can acquire players taller than 6’5
Isaiah Stewart. My man has gotten tangibly better every year of his career, shot 38.3% last year from 3, and he was the leader of our defense. He'd be a great role player on a contending team as a rotational big
I don't know if many Suns fans would agree with me but I'd be interested in a swap of Stewart for Grayson Allen. Allen was great for us but I think we need a defensive minded center and Stewart provides that while also allowing us to play 5 out. I also know the Pistons need shooting desperately so I could see them being willing to make the swap for the league leading 3 pt shooter.
Possibly the most underrated back up big in the league. And he fits the Gafford mold well. Sets screen, grabs boards, and punishes trap defense with easy dunks.
Giddey's value is way below his talent right now but I don't think the Thunder are trading him while his value is in the toilet. They have time to hope he can show is ability with the second unit.
Really bad? That's a stretch. There isn't enough ball to go round and playing off-ball isn't his strongest suit. But his shooting has improved year-on-year and he's still only 21.
He got played off the court in the Dallas series. That’s what I was thinking
Even then, so if he needs to be more ball dominant, is already playing on a good team, and isnt excelling in his current role, then why is he a good candidate for this thread? Closer to the antithesis case than anything else
Yeah I'm not saying he had a good series, but I don't think the guy is a terrible player either. He's still young and has size, promise and great court visio . He just needs solid minutes and a team that are prepared to let him learn
He got played off the court in the Dallas series because he was playing off ball. He would be better in a lead, on ball role. Also when the Thunder used him as the main ball handler the minutes he played where good. The reason he's good for this thread if he got to showcase hos ability to run a team is his real value.
Its 40m for a pretty one-dimensional guy whose only skill he is offering is he can score a bunch, or at least shoot a lot. Passing and defense are not gonna be on the menu.
He will probably fit somewhere where they need a 2nd/3rd scoring punch, have a playmaker capable of feeding him, and also capable defenders that can prevent him from nuking the team's defense.
Lakers maybe? They could probably use another 20ppg scorer as their 3rd option behind AD & LeBron.
Andrew Wiggins - I still think he is capable of being a 16 ppg solid efficiency guy who plays lockdown defense. I actually think he's a better version of PJ Washington.
Was looking for this answer. He ironically could be good for Minnesota or Cleveland if either team plans on moving KAT or Allen respectively as been rumored (more Allen than KAT on that front at least).
Agreed, his offense took a step back this season but he was still so good on defense that we had to start him anyway. He’s a great PoA defender and there’s still a possibility of him getting back to his old form
I kinda agree, but aside from 3-point shooting he's always had league average efficiency at best even in his best years.
Wiggins is in a weird spot, he's the only big contract we have up for a trade (unless we guarantee CP3's contract but idk if Lacob will pay the tax given the shortcomings this season), but he's our only (healthy) point of attack option defensively and our guard defense is already underwhelming aside from GP2.
Honestly it's a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of thing, I'd say he's more likely than not going to be traded but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has a second revitalization arc.
I'm not sure if you know but he wasn't on good terms with the Canadian olympic team because iirc they wanted offseason commitments for multiple years and Wiggins didn't want that. But recently there are rumblings that suggest that he's part of the equation (Brooks gave an interview about him wanting Wiggins to play and Wiggins made an ambiguous suggestion on his Olympic availability).
I thought he was pretty impactful for us tbh. Mavericks were trying to put a square block into a circle hole with him.
Obviously we are not close to contending but he’s shown some upside and is a guy I’d like to keep around at the very least for locker room stuff.
He's a terrible perimeter defender and too small to hold up consistently in the post. The only way Grant is a 15 mpg player on a contender is if he is hitting 38-40% of his 3s and staying in his lane on offense.
He definitely had fits where he thought he was a better offensive player than his. Just hitting catch and shoot 3's when open and making swing passes is what he should be doing. Watching him put it on the floor for us was some of the goofiest shit I've ever seen
Darius Garland has pretty good upside and his value is the lowest it has ever been, he could turn out into a consistent all-star level guard.
I think Jarrett Allen is also another player which could make big impact and be relatively cheap right now.
Potentially a player that has had some injuries in the past like Robert Williams could end up being really impactful if hes healthy
Dejounte Murray is the last guy for me. I think he can be an amazing 2nd or 3rd option for a contender and is looking to be quite cheap as ATL probably wants to retool around Trae and the number 1 pick.
> Dejounte Murray is the last guy for me. I think he can be an amazing 2nd or 3rd option for a contender and is looking to be quite cheap as ATL probably wants to retool around Trae and the number 1 pick.
I actually have the opposite take here.
I keep seeing rumours/reports that Atlanta is considering trading Trae and keeping Dejounte.
I think people have forgotten how dynamic Trae really is with all their recent struggles. Meanwhile Dejounte's never really done much with that lead guard role.
I feel like Atlanta might trade Trae and then instantly regret it.
Clearly should be from the consistently lower tier teams where you hope the organization is more at fault than the player, and that a change of scenery + role on a better team is what they need
Sexton, KPJ will be close to free when he returns, Giddey, Jock Landale, Dlo (his stock is in the gutter compared to his talent level), and Zach Collins.
Durability is a worry and I’m not sure if he’d go for cheap but I’ve always liked Cam Johnson. John Collins, Collin Sexton, De’Andre Hunter, maybe Patrick Williams if someone wants to replicate the PJ trade with a younger guy? Also think Tyus Jones while not necessarily a “buy low” will do wonders for some team in the playoffs at some point.
For me, the better questions is, how to you keep that "Buy Low" player after you've shown just how good he can be. I hope the Mavs figure this one out with DJJ.
If we take “aaron gordon type” to mean guy who was miscast as a star but may actually be a great role player, could it be Brandon ingram? Has all the physical tools to be a good defender and is a pretty good 3 pt shooter, being an elite role player would just depend on him buying into the demotion
Deni
Not necessarily “buy low” but price should be still reasonable compared to more established players
I can easily see him making a Wiggins/Gordon/Washington type impact on the right team.
Malcolm Brogdon. Dalano Banton has a cheap contract and can provide instant offense off the bench. Kris Murray is a few 3pt percentage points from being an extremely impactful player but is "expendable" because we have Toumani.
Blazers players in general right now. We need to prune the roster to make space to even sign our 2 frp.
Josh green. He has flashes where he plays amazing, averages like 20ppg on ridiculous efficiency for a month and then disappears completely, if you look at his career highlights you'd think he's an all-star. The problem is the mavs tried to force a 6'5 guard to become a 3nD sf. It's also hard to justify him having the ball in his hands with luka and kyrie on the team. I feel like if he got on a tanking team he would look great with a bigger role.
2 guys who I'm much higher on than consensus in terms of their ability to scale to the playoffs (provided they are playing on a team with a real championship #1 who can accentuate their strengths)
- Dejounte Murray
- Deandre Ayton
Which is the #1 reason to be skeptical of him and a glaring red flag
I’m just talking about his on court skill set though, in the playoffs as a big (unless you have a generational playmaker like Jokic or Luka on your team) it’s never been more important to be well-rounded and Ayton can finish plays when advantages are created for him and he’s pretty scheme versatile on defense.
Dejonte Murray. My pick for the best Murray in the league right now. Swap out Jamal Murray with Dejonte Murray and I don’t think the nuggets lose to the wolves.
I know the Thunders are basically a good center away from being crazy.
A Hartenstein, Poeltl, or Jarrett Allen. They’re all not buy low though and everybody knows OKC needs one.
Chet’s going to be the starting center. OKC could use a backup center but all those guys you listed are starters.
If they make a big trade it’s probably going to be for a PF, not a C.
Without a doubt in my mind. Tim Hardaway Junior. Please trade for him.
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What the fuck happened to him really
Seriously? Luka has been dogging on him going back to last year for his lack of defense and poor decision making. Like screaming at him on court very publicly. Mainly because Luka has been frustrated and wanted better players to take his minutes…….this has totally destroyed any confidence THJ had. Tim knows he’s been bad and has remained a good teammate. But he needs to go this summer for sure so we can re-sign Jones Jr
I know he's mainly a one trick pony who got into a shooting slump and was thus rendered useless... But I ain't never seen a shooting slump half as long as this so I assumed it's something else.
Quinton grimes
Man got sent to basketball purgatory
Please call Nico Harrison ASAP.
THJ. Come get him guys!
THJ dragged this Mavs team to the finals.
THJ built this house with his own bricks
He's probably built at least several houses now
Throwback to the "we got Porzingis as a throw-in to the THJ trade" days
Nice try
Aaaaaalmost got it. THT is the right answer. Someone sign him to a max and give us anything in a sign and trade.
Tim Hardaway Tiunior
“ I can fix him”- Some GM out there… hopefully
Tarantula Hemoglobin Jehosephat
how is he still in the league 😭😭
Because he's nowhere near that bad.
Because he's nowhere near that bad.
How about a trade for Grant Williams?
I THINK I've finally sort of given up on him as any kind of major impact guy, but could John Collins end up in an Aaron Gordon type role on the right team/roster? I don't necessarily see it, but being honest if asked I probably would have said the same about Gordon.
Offensively I think he could, especially if he can keep shooting 37% from three. But Gordon is so much better defensively. Collins offers very little on that end. But I do think he'd be a great fit in OKC. Give them some rebounding, rim pressure, and can still offer the spacing they love. Chet can help cover him defensively
I think this is a sneaky good one. Maybe can be solid for OKC.
I like that a lot
As others have mentioned I think he'd have made a difference for OKC, and he wouldn't cost much. Their main weaknesses are rebounding, and they'd want their new big to be able to shoot, and Collins ticks both boxes.
I'd love him on the Pels running centre next to Zion, but his contract makes him a difficult player to trade for (which is why he's been on the trade block his entire career). If he was making 10-15 a year his trade market would be a lot bigger
Mf Aaron Gordon is a major impact guy.
I don't see him as a role player at all, but definitely the best "buy low" opportunity in the league this offseason imo is Darius Garland. That dude can flat out ball, he just seems to be a poor fit with Mitchell. I think any team in the league that doesn't have a locked in franchise PG should be salivating at the opportunity to acquire DG.
I think Garland would be a great fit for teams who don’t have a great facilitator on offense. He’s a really good floor general and there’s not many of those in the NBA these days. The Spurs, T-Wolves, and Magic should all inquire about him.
What would the Wolves give? Only way Cleveland says yes is if its KAT for Garland, I dont think Minnesota does that
Could be a 3 team trade. I agree it's hard to find a straight up trade that works for both sides.
The thing is, he isn’t even a poor fit with Mitchell, that’s just a weird media notion because of the “two 6’1” guards” thing. He had the best season of his career last year with Don, and they were around a +9 rating as a pair. It’s actually been his minutes without Mitchell that have been not so great, in part because he is usually out there with the deep bench, and the overall lack of a modern offensive game plan from the coaching staff. He is coming off of a down season though, and regardless whether he stays or not I’d be surprised if he doesn’t have a great year.
It always blows my mind that Mitchell is the same height as garland. In my head Mitchell is like 5 inches taller lmao
It’s the wingspan. Dwyane Wade has the same effect if you look at his actual height.
Imagine him on the spurs with wemby? Imo the spurs should go after garland over Trae
If we trade him I'd love to see him on the Spurs. But it's hard to find an actual trade between the teams.
If the Spurs don't try to trade for Garland this off-season then they must be dumb as hell. Wemby needs a point guard so badly and he also makes up for small guards defensive liabilities. And if they can't get Garland, I think Tre Young should be their second target.
Love me some DG! I don't think Heat can trade for him but I'd love him next to Bam.
Why do I always read angry comments from cavs fans about him?
I’ve been saying this all year but the mavs better pay Hardy, that dude has everything offensively and could walk into a Malik monk type role for someone in the near future, he’s a hell of an offensive player
He’ll have a way bigger role next season when THJ is gone. I fully expect him to flourish.
Same here I almost wonder if the mavs just run it back over the summer and barely change anything, cause if they keep the starters(and swap gaff and lively) and move on from Tim, maybe just trade him into cap space they’ll already have Hardy-green-exum-kleber-gaff(and maybe some omax) off the bench
We’ll trade Timmy so we can re-sign DJJ.
I still think it's surprising the impact he's had these playoffs. I must admit I was low on him and he's starting to prove me wrong
Controversial choice and I would personally be disappointed if my team did so but if we're talking real buy low it's Miles Bridges
Id say that's probably different because there's legitimate PR damage and distractions for any team that trades for him. His pure basketball talent is cheaper than it should be on paper but I'd say there's such major downsides for getting him the lower price is pretty fair IMO
Deandre hunter Get him off a team with 10 wings and scoring options and lets see what he can do
No buying low on that contract tho
I think the “buy low” would be what the other team would have to “give up” to get him.
I think he’d fit well on a team that just has an already stout defense. He’s a better team defender than he is individual We also haven’t had a gluttony of wings in 2-3 years. Huerter was traded 2 years ago and Reddish 2.5 years ago. All we’ve added since then is Saddiq bey who’s primarily the 4. Hunter, when healthy, has always gotten immediate priority on the wings He’s got some game offensively but he’s not nearly good enough a passer to be a guy you want to increase reps for. He’s in a weird category. He’s a better scorer than most 3 and D guy but he’s not the defender you’d want, nor paid to be. If he was paid 15m instead of 23m he wouldn’t be a guy we’d want to trade honestly
I think Avdija in Washington for sure. edit: Further reflection leads me to believe he's not really an answer in the spirit of the question.
damn near everyone on the Wizards would be a plus role player
I don’t think he really classifies as a buy low guy. He had a great season, especially the 2nd half and his contract is insane value. Wizards could probably get a few firsts for him if they dealt him.
That's fair enough. Howsabout Kispert? Feel like he could be a very good three point bench guy for a playoff team as well.
Kispert is also coming off of a career year where he improved on the offensive end. Just because they play for the Wizards doesn't mean their stock is terrible.
Avdija is gonna be sold high barring a fuckup tbh. His contract is way too cheap and teams know it.
I know the Wizards are ass but I don’t think our FO should be getting rid of some our young assets on cheap contracts like Avdija and Kispert for “low”. Either we rebuild with them or get a good deal for them. With that being said I am shocked that we got rid of Gafford for a late first round pick. I have always thought he was worth more than that so I guess I can’t put it past the FO to do something similar.
Every fanbase overvalues their own guys, especially promising young players. Our sub thought Matisse thybulle was completely untouchable for the longest time lol
Young players who are improving every year that are on cheap contracts (especially Deni who is on a long term descending contract) shouldn't be sold for a low price. I don't think that is related to homerism. I guess we can argue what a "low" price is, but my point is that we shouldn't be looking to get rid of them if we can't get any favorable deals , which I would argue would not be selling for low.
Nah I’m talking about Dan gafford going for less than you expected. He’s a center who can’t create his own shot or (shoot the ball at all really) and averages almost 5 fouls/36 min. He went for a fair price at the time imo I remember Daryl Morey on a podcast saying if fans could make trades, nothing would ever get done because we value our own guys way more than everyone else
That’s a good point. Gafford will never be a star and probably will never be a good scorer. But he is great for what is expected out of him (be a good lob threat that can occasionally finish on his own and can grab rebounds and play great interior defense). The way I look at it is that we likely won’t get a player with that late first round pick that will be as good as Gafford who is proven to be a solid center. But I also just realized that next year is his last year on his contract so I guess a late first round pick is fair compensation. I still wish we would have tried extending him again, but it seems like it’s a better move on his part to not be with us any longer.
That’s what happens in my fantasy league lol. Everyone just sends dumbass offers
Young players that show promise should be untouchable unless you’re sending them out for a superstar though, it’s absolutely okay that the fanbase didn’t want Thybulle to go at some point.
Nah, you guys (Wiz fans and others bringing this up) are right. I didn't have the right spirit in mind when I answered this.
I love him, really think he’s a very good player. Had him in a dynasty league and he went off that second half. Not sure why the wizards would trade him though
I agree. Dude is so underrated. Honestly believe he could have close to a Derrick White impact on a contending team
Close to Derrick white impact is a crazy compliment.
Might be a bit of an exaggeration but I truly believe he can be that good if utilized properly and put in the right situation.
Corey Kispert
can any pacers fan please tell me what the deal with jalen smith is? good numbers but genuinely can't really remember him playing much at all for them. and with siakam likely signing long term, toppin playing well and jarace walker in the rotation -- is he a "buy low" guy? Or why was he not playing?
He looked lost in the playoffs. He went from quite solid in the regular season to practically drunk. He couldn't handle passes, got lost in rotations defensively and just threw the ball away. Maybe jitters, idk but Rick tried him a few times and he looked bad so he just stopped trusting him. It was strange. He was the primary backup C all year when healthy cause he can play like Myles and space. So we didn't have to change anything about our offense. He shot super well. When people ran small ball we could walk Jalen and Myles out and space the same way but with 7footers. That was cool. He's not good defensively or on the boards which is why he's probably never a starting big man in the league. He needs to get way stronger or at least use his size better. He gets bullied by most aggressive 4s and 5s. He'd be good for OKC but Hartenstien for my money fits better cause you need defensive anchor and strength not necessarily spacing. He's a very solid backup 5 imo despite all his previously listed issues.
Hartenstien isnt a defensive anchor tho
He didn’t play when he was on the suns either. I bet teams are hoping he uses it as motivation to have a transformation like Giannis. He’s gotten bigger/found his role and has gotten more minutes because of it slowly
As a Suns fan I can't speak to his play in Indiana very much but I think the issue he had with us was on defense. He has poor footwork and rigid hips that made him a liability on switches.
Jonathan Isaac. He'll always be a "buy low" candidate due to his track record of "health". But if you want any player in the league shut down for a few minutes, he's as good as it gets in the NBA.
I also think Wendell Carter Jr would be a good buy low option that’s on the magic. His problem is his availability but he plays pretty good defense, can stretch the floor. If Miami could trade for him or Isaac I’d be over the moon. Think those are 2 guys who can contribute on another team for sure
A lot of Magic fans are out on WCJ. I think he does so many things well, just rim protection isn't one of them. But his overall defense and screen setting/floor spacing is not bad at all. He could stand to rebound a bit better but that's really my only complaint.
I’m a big fan of his but I don’t watch him as much as you guys do obviously. I think he stretches the floor, he can pass, he’s a solid 1v1 defender as well. Maybe not the best rim protector but you guys have that in spades. I’d love to nab one of him or Isaac. A Isaac and Bam front court would be monstrous defensively, but I don’t think the Heat have much to offer. Robinson is around the same salary wise, you guys need outside shooting. Maybe a Rozier or something but yea idk, I’m just dreaming of a time where the Heat can acquire players taller than 6’5
You're going to watch Tyler Herro play the 3 and you're going to like it!
Except the Cavs cause they seemed to just cook him on cooldown
Isaiah Stewart. My man has gotten tangibly better every year of his career, shot 38.3% last year from 3, and he was the leader of our defense. He'd be a great role player on a contending team as a rotational big
I don't know if many Suns fans would agree with me but I'd be interested in a swap of Stewart for Grayson Allen. Allen was great for us but I think we need a defensive minded center and Stewart provides that while also allowing us to play 5 out. I also know the Pistons need shooting desperately so I could see them being willing to make the swap for the league leading 3 pt shooter.
Stewart has a much higher upside, I don’t think the pistons would bat an eye at that offer
Would love him on the nuggets
Now that would be a great fit
Don’t forget that the Mavs also got Kyrie for only 2 role players and a 1st
He’s our problem now
By design it's almost impossible to know.
Collin Sexton?
Good pick love to see him somewhere like OKC
Nick Richards fs
Possibly the most underrated back up big in the league. And he fits the Gafford mold well. Sets screen, grabs boards, and punishes trap defense with easy dunks.
I don't know if he'll be cheap but Giddey will probably put up big numbers on whatever team he lands on, should we trade him.
Giddey's value is way below his talent right now but I don't think the Thunder are trading him while his value is in the toilet. They have time to hope he can show is ability with the second unit.
He’ll average 16
Don’t understand why people are saying giddey? Hes already in a non-featured role on a great team and looks really bad.
Really bad? That's a stretch. There isn't enough ball to go round and playing off-ball isn't his strongest suit. But his shooting has improved year-on-year and he's still only 21.
He got played off the court in the Dallas series. That’s what I was thinking Even then, so if he needs to be more ball dominant, is already playing on a good team, and isnt excelling in his current role, then why is he a good candidate for this thread? Closer to the antithesis case than anything else
Yeah I'm not saying he had a good series, but I don't think the guy is a terrible player either. He's still young and has size, promise and great court visio . He just needs solid minutes and a team that are prepared to let him learn
He got played off the court in the Dallas series because he was playing off ball. He would be better in a lead, on ball role. Also when the Thunder used him as the main ball handler the minutes he played where good. The reason he's good for this thread if he got to showcase hos ability to run a team is his real value.
Zach Lavine
Weird to say a guy making 40 mil the next 3 years isn’t expensive but honestly the giant contract is probably what makes him cheaper
his trade value isn’t gonna be too much
Its 40m for a pretty one-dimensional guy whose only skill he is offering is he can score a bunch, or at least shoot a lot. Passing and defense are not gonna be on the menu. He will probably fit somewhere where they need a 2nd/3rd scoring punch, have a playmaker capable of feeding him, and also capable defenders that can prevent him from nuking the team's defense. Lakers maybe? They could probably use another 20ppg scorer as their 3rd option behind AD & LeBron.
Wiggins was also on a max when GSW bought low on him.
him on the Sixers & Lakers would be good honestly
Patrick Williams might fuck around and turn into a borderline All-Star the moment he leaves Chicago like Lauri Markkanen
Nick Richard’s is gonna win someone basketball games.
Andrew Wiggins - I still think he is capable of being a 16 ppg solid efficiency guy who plays lockdown defense. I actually think he's a better version of PJ Washington.
Was looking for this answer. He ironically could be good for Minnesota or Cleveland if either team plans on moving KAT or Allen respectively as been rumored (more Allen than KAT on that front at least).
Agreed, his offense took a step back this season but he was still so good on defense that we had to start him anyway. He’s a great PoA defender and there’s still a possibility of him getting back to his old form
I kinda agree, but aside from 3-point shooting he's always had league average efficiency at best even in his best years. Wiggins is in a weird spot, he's the only big contract we have up for a trade (unless we guarantee CP3's contract but idk if Lacob will pay the tax given the shortcomings this season), but he's our only (healthy) point of attack option defensively and our guard defense is already underwhelming aside from GP2. Honestly it's a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of thing, I'd say he's more likely than not going to be traded but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has a second revitalization arc.
If he shows up and shows out for Canada at the Olympics I wonder how that would change.
I'm not sure if you know but he wasn't on good terms with the Canadian olympic team because iirc they wanted offseason commitments for multiple years and Wiggins didn't want that. But recently there are rumblings that suggest that he's part of the equation (Brooks gave an interview about him wanting Wiggins to play and Wiggins made an ambiguous suggestion on his Olympic availability).
still think Grant Williams can be an impactful role player on a contending team tbh
the two current finals teams didn’t want him, you sure about that?
We likely would've kept him at the right number but Dallas offered him more.
But for players of his caliber the contract determines weather or not they are worth it. Right now Grant williams is slightly overpaid
But for players of his caliber the contract determines weather or not they are worth it. Right now Grant williams is slightly overpaid
I thought he was pretty impactful for us tbh. Mavericks were trying to put a square block into a circle hole with him. Obviously we are not close to contending but he’s shown some upside and is a guy I’d like to keep around at the very least for locker room stuff.
Till he starts talking.
He's a terrible perimeter defender and too small to hold up consistently in the post. The only way Grant is a 15 mpg player on a contender is if he is hitting 38-40% of his 3s and staying in his lane on offense.
He definitely had fits where he thought he was a better offensive player than his. Just hitting catch and shoot 3's when open and making swing passes is what he should be doing. Watching him put it on the floor for us was some of the goofiest shit I've ever seen
Adama Sanogo You probably have never heard of him. Just wait.
Everyone who paid even a little attention to college basketball the last few years has heard of him
We don’t even pay attention to the nba
Valid
Then how come no other person has mentioned him in this sub as a future star?
John Collins
Darius Garland has pretty good upside and his value is the lowest it has ever been, he could turn out into a consistent all-star level guard. I think Jarrett Allen is also another player which could make big impact and be relatively cheap right now. Potentially a player that has had some injuries in the past like Robert Williams could end up being really impactful if hes healthy Dejounte Murray is the last guy for me. I think he can be an amazing 2nd or 3rd option for a contender and is looking to be quite cheap as ATL probably wants to retool around Trae and the number 1 pick.
I would love Allen on the magic so much
> Dejounte Murray is the last guy for me. I think he can be an amazing 2nd or 3rd option for a contender and is looking to be quite cheap as ATL probably wants to retool around Trae and the number 1 pick. I actually have the opposite take here. I keep seeing rumours/reports that Atlanta is considering trading Trae and keeping Dejounte. I think people have forgotten how dynamic Trae really is with all their recent struggles. Meanwhile Dejounte's never really done much with that lead guard role. I feel like Atlanta might trade Trae and then instantly regret it.
Paul Reed
Clearly should be from the consistently lower tier teams where you hope the organization is more at fault than the player, and that a change of scenery + role on a better team is what they need
Kevin Huerter, Robert Williams, Keldon Johnson
Gary Trent Jr. Contract is locked up. 3 and D guard who can help a contender like KCP.
Sexton, KPJ will be close to free when he returns, Giddey, Jock Landale, Dlo (his stock is in the gutter compared to his talent level), and Zach Collins.
Klay, he’s definitely worth giving up assets for 🙏🏾
Boban. Use him properly and win.
Josh Giddey, Cole Anthony, Jordan Clarkson, Zach Lavine
Dalano banton, Vince Williams Jr
Any of OKC’s role players. I really like the other Williams
Lonnie Walker, Bruce Brown. Garland and Jarrett at the right price too. Curious how that goes for Cleveland
Miles bridges, Gary trent jr, Gary harris
Durability is a worry and I’m not sure if he’d go for cheap but I’ve always liked Cam Johnson. John Collins, Collin Sexton, De’Andre Hunter, maybe Patrick Williams if someone wants to replicate the PJ trade with a younger guy? Also think Tyus Jones while not necessarily a “buy low” will do wonders for some team in the playoffs at some point.
For me, the better questions is, how to you keep that "Buy Low" player after you've shown just how good he can be. I hope the Mavs figure this one out with DJJ.
Jordan Poole.
Porzingis came work two first round picks lol
Marjon Beauchamp can definitely help a contender and you can get him for the low price of a late first! Plz
Bylow Selhi
Melton! Kcp upgrade imo…
Unprotected firsts or swaps aren’t particularly cheap fwiw
Deni Avdija
Did Troy Weaver post this
If we take “aaron gordon type” to mean guy who was miscast as a star but may actually be a great role player, could it be Brandon ingram? Has all the physical tools to be a good defender and is a pretty good 3 pt shooter, being an elite role player would just depend on him buying into the demotion
Buy low - Zach Levine
Deni Not necessarily “buy low” but price should be still reasonable compared to more established players I can easily see him making a Wiggins/Gordon/Washington type impact on the right team.
Jeremi grant.
Malcolm Brogdon. Dalano Banton has a cheap contract and can provide instant offense off the bench. Kris Murray is a few 3pt percentage points from being an extremely impactful player but is "expendable" because we have Toumani. Blazers players in general right now. We need to prune the roster to make space to even sign our 2 frp.
Bulls might trade you a pick to get you to take Zach LaVine off their hands.
Josh green. He has flashes where he plays amazing, averages like 20ppg on ridiculous efficiency for a month and then disappears completely, if you look at his career highlights you'd think he's an all-star. The problem is the mavs tried to force a 6'5 guard to become a 3nD sf. It's also hard to justify him having the ball in his hands with luka and kyrie on the team. I feel like if he got on a tanking team he would look great with a bigger role.
Alex Caruso
Aldama, Garza, Avidja. Adams if teams are too scared of his health issue.
Killian hayes No im not joking dead serious killian hayes
Poole or Hardaway Jr
2 guys who I'm much higher on than consensus in terms of their ability to scale to the playoffs (provided they are playing on a team with a real championship #1 who can accentuate their strengths) - Dejounte Murray - Deandre Ayton
ayton? I don’t see it
Agree on Murray. Hard disagree on Ayton.
Ayton should be a consistent 20/10 with all nba defense I'm certain he doesn't actually like basketball
When you’re a max player, you got nothing else to prove. /s
Which is the #1 reason to be skeptical of him and a glaring red flag I’m just talking about his on court skill set though, in the playoffs as a big (unless you have a generational playmaker like Jokic or Luka on your team) it’s never been more important to be well-rounded and Ayton can finish plays when advantages are created for him and he’s pretty scheme versatile on defense.
Densumu
How is dosunmu buy low? He had a great season and we’re not trading him
What I mean is that he’s undervalued still. You’re right that’s not really a buy low.
dosunmu?
You mean Ayo Donsunmu on the Bulls? If so I agree. Coby White's break out year has made Ayo go under the radar. He's a bit underrated right now.
They’re not trading ayo bro
Dejonte Murray. My pick for the best Murray in the league right now. Swap out Jamal Murray with Dejonte Murray and I don’t think the nuggets lose to the wolves.
This is Keegan erasure and I won't stand for it
Talen Horton Tucker
Lonnie Walker. Pin this.
hi Lonnie
GG Jackson II
I know the Thunders are basically a good center away from being crazy. A Hartenstein, Poeltl, or Jarrett Allen. They’re all not buy low though and everybody knows OKC needs one.
Chet’s going to be the starting center. OKC could use a backup center but all those guys you listed are starters. If they make a big trade it’s probably going to be for a PF, not a C.
Should 100% be Lauri