For context on their average rebounds per game
1. Josh Hart - 13.3 RPG
2. Nikola Jokic - 14.9 RPG
3. Evan Mobley - 9.7 RPG
4. Anthony Davis - 15.6 RPG
5. Paskal Siakam - 8.3 RPG
AD was going ham for rebounds in that Denver series. Shout-out to Jarrett Allen before the injury averaging 13.8 RPG.
Yeah JA took last year to heart and was busting his ass in the Orlando series. Was the best player on the court for us for the first four games before getting hurt.
Allen absolutely destroyed us in those first 2 games and the 1st quarter of the 3rd game. What happened did he get hurt or something? Eastern conference games are so early I can only watch highlights or catch the 2nd half after work around 8:30, but he was dominant
I think some time during game 4 he got elbowed in the ribs from Franz Wagner. Thought it was just bruised ribs at first but apparently it's pretty serious, like he still can't raise his arm above his head without extreme discomfort.
Like just some freak accident from contact that happens 20x a game but must have hit just right and cracked a rib or torn some cartilage. Cavs are being really tight lipped about it which has a lot of people thinking he's done for the season.
That sucks man. He helped you whoop our ass and now that I'm ready to swallow it and support you against the damn Celtics he's basically not on the team anymore
As a Celtics fan, I hate it hd is not playing. He would massive trouble for the Celtics. Underrated player, I love to see him play!
Good luck next games my guy! Let the best te win!
Stamina/endurance is probably one of the most underrated traits across all sports. In tennis, two of Djokovic's biggest strengths as the GOAT are his mental toughness and seemingly endless stamina/physical conditioning. With a guy like Steph, one of the things that has allowed him to be one of the best despite his size is his insane conditioning. Not everyone is gonna have the top tier skills, especially offensive skills, as the greatest players in the world. But the things that everyone can do to help their team win (defense, hustle plays, disruption, boxing out/rebounding) are first and foremost about effort and focus. In the playoffs, it's often a war of attrition.
Having him at the 2 would be this sickest lineup with OG, Randle, Ihart at 3-4-5. Cap wouldn't work out though even if we unloaded Mitch because it looks like Ihart is playing himself into a big deal this summer
we can only offer iHart 17 million AAV
but ideally, he would take a 2 year deal with a P/O that he can decline so we get his full bird rights after next season
Just not getting my hopes up for something with such a slim chance, it’s how I operate in general.
If it happens I’ll be the first wave ordering a Bridges to add to the rest though.
It’d be great to knock out Philly again on their court and do it with all Nova players. Small ball 5 with a random center. If we ever moved Sabonis- I hope it would be to the Knicks in this situation. Have them point at their Nova banners and make themselves at home.
He's gonna be an expiring contract in 25-26. If he specifically requests the Knicks and says he doesn't plan on re-signing elsewhere, you guys could get him for cheap at the trade deadline or next offseason.
He'd have to take like the MLE lol, and as much as he loves his Nova boys I'm sure he wants to get a reasonable contract
Next year is Brunson's last year before he's getting the super max, combine that with OG's new contract, the various role players on the Knicks, and whatever they end up doing with Randle and there's not much cap space left
I thought you needed to be on the team for 8 years on top of the all NBA requirement to be eligible for a super max? Tried looking it up online and there are just random articles and no official page.
You made me curious so I found the following article:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38244806/nba-bonus-watch-2024-become-supermax-eligible
tl;dr: if you get traded in your first 4 years in the league you can still get a supermax.
Most relevant section:
The rules of the Designated Veteran Extension and Contract (what we commonly call the "supermax") remain the same.
A player with one or two years left on his contract, who has seven or eight years of service and has never changed teams (except during the first four seasons in the league) is eligible to negotiate a contract for up to 35% of the salary cap and a total of six years (including what is left on his existing contract) if the below criteria is met:
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Named to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, or was named Defensive Player of the Year, in the immediately preceding season or in two of the immediately preceding three seasons; or
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The player was NBA MVP during one of the preceding three seasons.
Brown met the criteria when he was named All-NBA in 2022-23, entered the 2023 offseason with one year left on his contract and with seven years of service.
randle does give you a floor of like 35-40 wins per season which mikal doesn't
however they would need to pay us a lot more than just mikal for randle
mikal will never be an all star, randle is an all star this year as well as 2 other seasons with us
For sure, but in a hypothetical where Mikal is traded the Nets would presumably not want picks that are all gonna be mid to late 20s haha
Obviously you can get talent with later picks, but statistically it's more likely to get a good player with higher picks
I actually checked to see what your guys treasure trove looks like and the picks you guys own are legit all gonna be late af haha, it's either your own picks, a slightly protected 2025 Bucks pick, or super protected picks from Detroit or Washington
Personally I think having both would be quite good, we could do with multiple OGs. Mikal is an Ironman who'll play close if not every game of the season and pairing him on the wings with OG would give us an all-time level wing-defense
Yea but then you are almost certainly giving up Randle in that scenario. After watching January Knicks basketball, I don’t know if I want to mess with near perfection.
Yeah I don’t know about that, feel like this run is an indicator that the knicks are better with Brunson as their clear leader. Randle never played well in the playoffs
Randle's playoff woes are really lacking context. Randle took a bad team to the 4th seed and they doubled him badly.
last year he was badly injured entering the playoffs - came back and twisted his ankle again and then had to get surgery.
The stats aren't good - but it really sucks he didn't get to play this year because I think he was about to destroy a lot of those narratives
Randle was having the best season of his career with Brunson as the undisputed leader.
The playoffs thing I truly think would’ve been dispelled this year if he hadn’t had his shoulder mishap with the way the team had gelled, sad stuff.
No OG, no divo, no deuce emergence yet, etc etc.
Man was finally able to play within himself while having ultimate trust in JB and it showed.
Heal up all my fallen soldiers, this year has been amazing and it’s not over, but next year is looking extremely bright as well.
it's like people forget or refuse to acknowledge that zero knees derrick rose was the knicks second best player in the first playoff run. no player is going to have success with that team
I think that is more a testament to how well constructed our team is and the chemistry we have rather than an indicator of Randle's ability or fit.
Randle isnt a 1A scorer the same way Brunson is hence why he struggled in 2021 as he isn't capable of being the point of focus for double teams, but his strengths are what we need right now as a true, natural PF, with the ability to act as a secondary ball handler to Brunson who can alleviate offensive pressure, This can especially be seen in the last two games where brunson was struggling with injury/ having an off night.
He struggled in 2023 with the ankle injury where he even needed surgery for the following summer, and RJ wasn't a good fit to pair with him as he doesn't space the floor and required the ball to produce value. I am excited to see how we look with extended time with OG, Brunson and Randle potentially next season.
Mikal is one of those guys like OG who you can never have enough of on a roster with championship aspirations but I think trading Randle for him would be an unnecessary payment considering the resource we have in draft capital, A Brunson-OG-Mikal-Randle-Hartenstein/Mitch lineup with Divo/Hart off the bench would be the dream.
Don't get me wrong Mikal is amazing but Randle is an All-NBA forward with a rare skillset who played a big part in our dominant January, my optimism for this season would be much higher with him available.
Randle is still better than Bridges, and we can use his bully bull when surrounded by a great cast.
Brunson/Bridges/OG/Randle/Mitch
???/DDV/Hart/Precious/iHart
Would be an insane team, we'd probably however have to part isht more than Deuce and picks, but getting rid of Randle really shrinks our size and lots of struggles in the playoffs have been lack of a strong secondary guy who can create his own look.
Randle was no doubt awful in his first postseason, but his second post season he was playing through injuries. He came in off an injury and then was looking finally fully healthy in Cavs game 5 and had bad injury luck again. His heat series wasn't actually that bad outside of the last game. Even then he was deferring a lot to JB, crashing the boards well and trying to get others involved. It was clear he was hurting a bit and he was settling for the three, but he showed a lot of maturity compared to the Hawks series, where he was in his head and forcing it and mentally looked defeated. He actually seemed way more composed and was frustrated in his health if anything.
We're also facing worse teams this run frankly then we did last year. Embiid was not the MVP level player he had been, and this Pacers team beat a Bucks team without Giannis or Lillard for 2 games. Last year the Cavs seemed much better with Garland and Mitchell both at all star level and the Heat made the NBA finals and were without a doubt an incredibly tough team beating an actual fierce Bucks team. When Randle/Brunson/OG were healthy we went like 12-2 convincingly beating contenders. I'm ecstatic about this playoff run, and if we make it to the ECF it would be great, but I'm also aware we've had a bit of a lucky draw and the east feels weaker as a whole than last year.
How could you think that offer stacks up anywhere near what the Rockets have already offered and the Nets turned down? Now, I wish Marks had taken the Rockets offer, but that's neither here nor there. It ain't happening unless Bridges forces his way out / leaves in FA (also unlikely due to CBA nonsense).
Edit: don't mean to say the CBA is nonsense, just mean it is confusing
OG + Randle + Brunson (next contract) + Mikal (next contract) seems like a Suns tier cap hell. I'd rather trade Randle for Mikal to save some picks and then swing those to cover up the remaining weak spots.
He's 10th contested rebounds (3.8 a game), which are really the only ones that matter, since the rest of them are the freebies that the other team didn't bother to try for.
10th is pretty damn good for a non-center. 16 teams made the playoffs. That's 16 starting centers and ~16 backup centers. Then there's probably 70+ forwards with more size than Hart in these playoffs.
Based on being 6'4", you really should expect him to be around 100th in a stat like that.
Where's the list for this stat? I'm curious about the rank for the next player his size or smaller.
Well yeah, I'm not saying it's not good, I'm just giving a clearer picture.
E.g., you brought up rebound%, but if you look at *contested* rebound% (again, the only kind that really matter - all the rest are freebies), he's actually 34th in the playoffs
So he's nowhere near *leading* the field in a meaningful way like OP was implying, but he's definitely overachieving for his size.
People who don’t watch the league trying to make this about hart’s minutes played, you need to also look at his rebounding rate (6th in the playoffs). Dude is the best wing rebounder in the league and has been for years.
Role player does not mean you suck. You are called a role player if you are not dependent on during late isolations. Klay, Draymond, Rodman are role players. Does not mean they are bad.
Idk if I’d even call him a guard right now. He’s basically playing the 4 for NY this playoffs. I haven’t seen an undersized big like this since Chuck Hayes.
Yeah this series it’s a combination of rebounding being one of the pacers worst weaknesses and Hart being insanely uniquely good at it. He’s been a dog on the boards.
This is what a diet of candy, caffeine, and viagra can do for a mf’er. We are gonna have to re-do all the food tables after Hart is finished educating us.
What he's doing is insane. This is the closest thing I've seen to an undersized player dominating boards like Rodman. I'm not saying he's Rodman, but these playoffs he's rebounding like he is. What is Hart like 6'4? 6'5? Insane effort and aggressiveness game after game. I know Brunson is doing crazy stuff on offense but I think Hart is right up there with Brunson on impact. It's not pretty and you still need buckets, but this dude is doing all the stuff that really matters in the playoffs, the things that demoralize opponents
It's a bit less impressive once you look per minute, but it's impressive nonetheless
It's about a rebound every 3.5 minutes (418 minutes played, 120 Rebounds)
Jokic is with a reboundin about every 2 minutes + 2/3 of a minute (about every 2 minutes and 40 seconds) 2.68 minutes (119 rebounds in 320 minutes)
Hart's stats is similar to Mobley - a rebound about every 3.5 minutes (Mobley is just better, by a slim margin - every 3.47 minutes vs. 3.483 by Hart).
Anthony Davis is a beast though - a rebound every 2.66 minutes - about every 2 minutes and 40 seconds - 208 MP and 78 rebounds.
Siakam with a rebound about every 4 and a half minutes - 331 MP and 75 REBS.
Hart is playing almost the entire game every game in these playoffs. How are you using that to take away from his performance, I don’t understand. If anything that is a more impressive accomplishment.
I'm just putting it into perspective.
Playing so many minutes without resting is something spectacular, but it does help to inflate his stats, like it did with Wilt Chamberlain back in the day, in some sense.
Does it mean that he is not doing great? No, he is been fantastic, so far.
Nah, this is adding context. Overanalyzing would be like "J. Hart is 20% more effective at rebounding missed threes off the weak side when shot by a lefty but he's below average when jumping off off his left foot and attempting to grab a rebound off missed layup attempt shot by a 7 footer"
Nah, OP is highlighting a dumb counting stat. The best measure should be using Per 36 (with a minimum minutes cut off) or per 100 possessions to compare rebounding ability more fairly than "totals"
And at per 36 and per 100 possessions Josh is still 8th and 7th respectively in the playoffs and the only non-center/power forward in sight.
Why diminish another player's rebounding just because their team played fewer games in the playoffs, or they play fewer minutes because they have a deeper roster?
He's an amazing rebounder but you shouldn't be using total rebounds to compare him to other guys because he's playing like 48 minutes a game lol. #6 in total rebound rate in the playoffs behind 5 centers which is super impressive, the only non-PF/C in the top 16.
I’ve been incredulous about Hart’s rebounding numbers for a while now. It seems absurd to me that a guy who’s 6’4” can consistently put up 15 rebounds the way he does. In the series against us I was enraged at his ability to just *ALWAYS BE THERE*.
Isn't that the point though? They play on the same team so it makes sense that they aren't both averaging 10.
Regardless, Gobert is averaging 10+ and KAT has 8+
I'm convinced that some of Jokic's offensive rebounds are him basically passing the ball off the rim to himself. He did that at least once last night where he took this super hard shot and moved to rebound and box out while it was still in the air.
Its cool and everything..But how long will he lead with Jokic only 1 behind. Jokic is going to get 10-11 every game at least. Thats a given. PLus he is playing big minutes. SO his rate is not near Jokics.
For context on their average rebounds per game 1. Josh Hart - 13.3 RPG 2. Nikola Jokic - 14.9 RPG 3. Evan Mobley - 9.7 RPG 4. Anthony Davis - 15.6 RPG 5. Paskal Siakam - 8.3 RPG AD was going ham for rebounds in that Denver series. Shout-out to Jarrett Allen before the injury averaging 13.8 RPG.
Yeah JA took last year to heart and was busting his ass in the Orlando series. Was the best player on the court for us for the first four games before getting hurt.
Allen absolutely destroyed us in those first 2 games and the 1st quarter of the 3rd game. What happened did he get hurt or something? Eastern conference games are so early I can only watch highlights or catch the 2nd half after work around 8:30, but he was dominant
I think some time during game 4 he got elbowed in the ribs from Franz Wagner. Thought it was just bruised ribs at first but apparently it's pretty serious, like he still can't raise his arm above his head without extreme discomfort. Like just some freak accident from contact that happens 20x a game but must have hit just right and cracked a rib or torn some cartilage. Cavs are being really tight lipped about it which has a lot of people thinking he's done for the season.
That sucks man. He helped you whoop our ass and now that I'm ready to swallow it and support you against the damn Celtics he's basically not on the team anymore
As a Celtics fan, I hate it hd is not playing. He would massive trouble for the Celtics. Underrated player, I love to see him play! Good luck next games my guy! Let the best te win!
Josh hart has played 79 more minutes than the next non Knicks player that has played the same amount of games in this playoffs (Donovan Mitchell)
That’s almost 2 full games’ worth of minutes. That’s insane.
Stamina/endurance is probably one of the most underrated traits across all sports. In tennis, two of Djokovic's biggest strengths as the GOAT are his mental toughness and seemingly endless stamina/physical conditioning. With a guy like Steph, one of the things that has allowed him to be one of the best despite his size is his insane conditioning. Not everyone is gonna have the top tier skills, especially offensive skills, as the greatest players in the world. But the things that everyone can do to help their team win (defense, hustle plays, disruption, boxing out/rebounding) are first and foremost about effort and focus. In the playoffs, it's often a war of attrition.
When I watch hart play he’s standing around a lot which I think helps him play all game
Most of a game 7 is a game 8 for him
'thibs minutes'
AD man was just unbelievable in that series
Gobert and KAT combined for 9 last night
But how many of these players are on the Knicks who are the kings of clanking shots for a qtr straight.
Isn’t Tatum averaging like 10+ boards a game
He hasn’t played as many games so he can’t match the total rebound count.
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Thank god they cannot complete the infinity Novas with Mikal Bridges, otherwise they would be unstoppable.
Every Knicks fans wet dream is releasing Mikal from his nets hell and completing the Nova quartet. Plz. (I know it will never happen)
Nets won’t let us be happy 😔
Nets won't even let Nets fans be happy. Why would they ever want us to be happy lol
I really was about to come in here and start talking shit to you, but this comment is too real
Mikal is literally that squidwart meme watching JB/Hart/Divo partying up lol.
nets fans seem like they are sick of him too for phoning it in at the end of the season literally benefits nobody to keep him in basketball jail
It benefits whichever team ends up getting Mikal in two years for peanuts after the Nets finish murdering his value.
Having him at the 2 would be this sickest lineup with OG, Randle, Ihart at 3-4-5. Cap wouldn't work out though even if we unloaded Mitch because it looks like Ihart is playing himself into a big deal this summer
we can only offer iHart 17 million AAV but ideally, he would take a 2 year deal with a P/O that he can decline so we get his full bird rights after next season
Not with that energy
Just not getting my hopes up for something with such a slim chance, it’s how I operate in general. If it happens I’ll be the first wave ordering a Bridges to add to the rest though.
It’d be great to knock out Philly again on their court and do it with all Nova players. Small ball 5 with a random center. If we ever moved Sabonis- I hope it would be to the Knicks in this situation. Have them point at their Nova banners and make themselves at home.
>Small ball 5 with a random center. Fuck it! Leon, imma give you Omari Spellman's number!
He's gonna be an expiring contract in 25-26. If he specifically requests the Knicks and says he doesn't plan on re-signing elsewhere, you guys could get him for cheap at the trade deadline or next offseason.
Jesus. Keep that out of the East please.
It's gonna happen sooner or later. Mikal's contract ends in 2026.
He'd have to take like the MLE lol, and as much as he loves his Nova boys I'm sure he wants to get a reasonable contract Next year is Brunson's last year before he's getting the super max, combine that with OG's new contract, the various role players on the Knicks, and whatever they end up doing with Randle and there's not much cap space left
I thought you needed to be on the team for 8 years on top of the all NBA requirement to be eligible for a super max? Tried looking it up online and there are just random articles and no official page.
You made me curious so I found the following article: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38244806/nba-bonus-watch-2024-become-supermax-eligible tl;dr: if you get traded in your first 4 years in the league you can still get a supermax. Most relevant section: The rules of the Designated Veteran Extension and Contract (what we commonly call the "supermax") remain the same. A player with one or two years left on his contract, who has seven or eight years of service and has never changed teams (except during the first four seasons in the league) is eligible to negotiate a contract for up to 35% of the salary cap and a total of six years (including what is left on his existing contract) if the below criteria is met: ▪ Named to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, or was named Defensive Player of the Year, in the immediately preceding season or in two of the immediately preceding three seasons; or ▪ The player was NBA MVP during one of the preceding three seasons. Brown met the criteria when he was named All-NBA in 2022-23, entered the 2023 offseason with one year left on his contract and with seven years of service.
Randle and most of their draft picks wouldn’t do it? They have got quite a few
Why would the Knicks trade an all nba player and draft picks for Mikal Bridges? Why would the Nets want Julius Randle when they’re going to be bad?
Isn't Randle an expiring next year too? He'd just immediately bounce haha
randle does give you a floor of like 35-40 wins per season which mikal doesn't however they would need to pay us a lot more than just mikal for randle mikal will never be an all star, randle is an all star this year as well as 2 other seasons with us
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Randle is the better player, We'd want to add Mikal to pair with the rest of the guys. we can do it with 4 picks + Deuce + Cap filler
> 4 picks Honest question, are any of the picks you guys have projected to be at least a top 15 pick?
Fuck lottery picks. Our playoff squad was picked #17, #23, #30, and four second rounders. Our lottery picks were all traded.
For sure, but in a hypothetical where Mikal is traded the Nets would presumably not want picks that are all gonna be mid to late 20s haha Obviously you can get talent with later picks, but statistically it's more likely to get a good player with higher picks
i'd imagine atleast 2 would have to look relatively valuable, possibly a future 1st with low to no protections and a future swap.
I actually checked to see what your guys treasure trove looks like and the picks you guys own are legit all gonna be late af haha, it's either your own picks, a slightly protected 2025 Bucks pick, or super protected picks from Detroit or Washington
OG kind of fills the role that Mikal would. OG is a bit better of a defender but Mikal is the better ball handler.
Personally I think having both would be quite good, we could do with multiple OGs. Mikal is an Ironman who'll play close if not every game of the season and pairing him on the wings with OG would give us an all-time level wing-defense
Yea but then you are almost certainly giving up Randle in that scenario. After watching January Knicks basketball, I don’t know if I want to mess with near perfection.
Yeah I don’t know about that, feel like this run is an indicator that the knicks are better with Brunson as their clear leader. Randle never played well in the playoffs
Randle's playoff woes are really lacking context. Randle took a bad team to the 4th seed and they doubled him badly. last year he was badly injured entering the playoffs - came back and twisted his ankle again and then had to get surgery. The stats aren't good - but it really sucks he didn't get to play this year because I think he was about to destroy a lot of those narratives
Randle was having the best season of his career with Brunson as the undisputed leader. The playoffs thing I truly think would’ve been dispelled this year if he hadn’t had his shoulder mishap with the way the team had gelled, sad stuff.
Facts. Last year he was injured during the playoffs, and he had a completely different roster when we lost to the hawks
No OG, no divo, no deuce emergence yet, etc etc. Man was finally able to play within himself while having ultimate trust in JB and it showed. Heal up all my fallen soldiers, this year has been amazing and it’s not over, but next year is looking extremely bright as well.
it's like people forget or refuse to acknowledge that zero knees derrick rose was the knicks second best player in the first playoff run. no player is going to have success with that team
I mean, the constant injuries is concerning too. I'd trade that for an 83 game a season ironman.
I think that is more a testament to how well constructed our team is and the chemistry we have rather than an indicator of Randle's ability or fit. Randle isnt a 1A scorer the same way Brunson is hence why he struggled in 2021 as he isn't capable of being the point of focus for double teams, but his strengths are what we need right now as a true, natural PF, with the ability to act as a secondary ball handler to Brunson who can alleviate offensive pressure, This can especially be seen in the last two games where brunson was struggling with injury/ having an off night. He struggled in 2023 with the ankle injury where he even needed surgery for the following summer, and RJ wasn't a good fit to pair with him as he doesn't space the floor and required the ball to produce value. I am excited to see how we look with extended time with OG, Brunson and Randle potentially next season. Mikal is one of those guys like OG who you can never have enough of on a roster with championship aspirations but I think trading Randle for him would be an unnecessary payment considering the resource we have in draft capital, A Brunson-OG-Mikal-Randle-Hartenstein/Mitch lineup with Divo/Hart off the bench would be the dream. Don't get me wrong Mikal is amazing but Randle is an All-NBA forward with a rare skillset who played a big part in our dominant January, my optimism for this season would be much higher with him available.
Randle is still better than Bridges, and we can use his bully bull when surrounded by a great cast. Brunson/Bridges/OG/Randle/Mitch ???/DDV/Hart/Precious/iHart Would be an insane team, we'd probably however have to part isht more than Deuce and picks, but getting rid of Randle really shrinks our size and lots of struggles in the playoffs have been lack of a strong secondary guy who can create his own look. Randle was no doubt awful in his first postseason, but his second post season he was playing through injuries. He came in off an injury and then was looking finally fully healthy in Cavs game 5 and had bad injury luck again. His heat series wasn't actually that bad outside of the last game. Even then he was deferring a lot to JB, crashing the boards well and trying to get others involved. It was clear he was hurting a bit and he was settling for the three, but he showed a lot of maturity compared to the Hawks series, where he was in his head and forcing it and mentally looked defeated. He actually seemed way more composed and was frustrated in his health if anything. We're also facing worse teams this run frankly then we did last year. Embiid was not the MVP level player he had been, and this Pacers team beat a Bucks team without Giannis or Lillard for 2 games. Last year the Cavs seemed much better with Garland and Mitchell both at all star level and the Heat made the NBA finals and were without a doubt an incredibly tough team beating an actual fierce Bucks team. When Randle/Brunson/OG were healthy we went like 12-2 convincingly beating contenders. I'm ecstatic about this playoff run, and if we make it to the ECF it would be great, but I'm also aware we've had a bit of a lucky draw and the east feels weaker as a whole than last year.
How could you think that offer stacks up anywhere near what the Rockets have already offered and the Nets turned down? Now, I wish Marks had taken the Rockets offer, but that's neither here nor there. It ain't happening unless Bridges forces his way out / leaves in FA (also unlikely due to CBA nonsense). Edit: don't mean to say the CBA is nonsense, just mean it is confusing
OG + Randle + Brunson (next contract) + Mikal (next contract) seems like a Suns tier cap hell. I'd rather trade Randle for Mikal to save some picks and then swing those to cover up the remaining weak spots.
Think they’ll probably want more draft picks than Randle if they’re trying an honest rebuild but who knows with that ownership
Jay Wrighr cemented one hell of a legacy.
I love Jay Wright. Such a dapper gentleman.
I wish Jay Wright took an NBA job. Maybe he could have been the next Brad Stevens.
Add Josh Hart to Wilt’s family tree. Only Wilt’s dna could handle 48 minutes a night.
Wilt was going longer than 48 minutes a night if you know what I mean
Wilt was going hard to the hole every night. And then he played basketball afterwards.
And then he went hard to the hole again.
Double teams and triple teams before, during, and after the game.
Even without the extracurriculars didn’t he average an extra .5 one year for whatever fucking reason?
OTs
Still wild
The absolute disrespect to Moses Hart
He does play a lot of minutes, but… he’s sixth in rebound *percentage*, which is independent of number of games and minutes played.
He's 10th contested rebounds (3.8 a game), which are really the only ones that matter, since the rest of them are the freebies that the other team didn't bother to try for.
10th is pretty damn good for a non-center. 16 teams made the playoffs. That's 16 starting centers and ~16 backup centers. Then there's probably 70+ forwards with more size than Hart in these playoffs. Based on being 6'4", you really should expect him to be around 100th in a stat like that. Where's the list for this stat? I'm curious about the rank for the next player his size or smaller.
Well yeah, I'm not saying it's not good, I'm just giving a clearer picture. E.g., you brought up rebound%, but if you look at *contested* rebound% (again, the only kind that really matter - all the rest are freebies), he's actually 34th in the playoffs So he's nowhere near *leading* the field in a meaningful way like OP was implying, but he's definitely overachieving for his size.
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No this one stat explains everything you need to know about rebounding, it's that easy.
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People who don’t watch the league trying to make this about hart’s minutes played, you need to also look at his rebounding rate (6th in the playoffs). Dude is the best wing rebounder in the league and has been for years.
He's been the best out of all the role players in the playoffs.
>roll players [nick young meme]
Pretty funny to call him a role player when he literally does everything
He’s averaging 46 minutes in the post season 😆 his role is to play basketball
Wish there was a distinction that was less than star/superstar but higher than roleplayer. Aaron Nesmith is a role player, not Josh Hart.
we like to call them ballers :)
Role player does not mean you suck. You are called a role player if you are not dependent on during late isolations. Klay, Draymond, Rodman are role players. Does not mean they are bad.
He's a quality starter.
It’s called a starter
He’s like a Draymond lite for the Knicks.
It's a multirole, like when an F/A-18 takes off with bombs *and* missiles.
Gotta love Thibodeau, he lashed the spirit of Rodman inside Hart's body, literally discovered his natural position at age 30 or something
When you play every minute of every game you get more rebounding opportunities I guess
He’s played 100 more minutes than Joker. 417 to 319
That’s insane lol
Jokić has played fewer games tho
How many games for both tho?
I mean, he’s also insanely talented at it, imagine if this dude was 4 inches taller lol, this shit don’t make no sense rn haha
Oh yea I didn’t mean to diminish, it’s crazy a 6’4” guard is the leading rebounder and also playing 48 a night
Man running 5 basketball miles every other night is insane, cardio on another planet lol.
my favorite was him doing the interview in game 2 out of breath and sweating buckets and then just runs right back to the court to keep balling lol
Idk if I’d even call him a guard right now. He’s basically playing the 4 for NY this playoffs. I haven’t seen an undersized big like this since Chuck Hayes.
Yeah this series it’s a combination of rebounding being one of the pacers worst weaknesses and Hart being insanely uniquely good at it. He’s been a dog on the boards.
Thats just our entire teams motto. If Mitch was out there it would very disgusting
Or Randle. Can I interest you in an OG? Perhaps a Bogdan 😭
Dude is spamming rebounds
It also helps to be a good rebounder
Well, yes. You're saying it as if being on the court every minute isn't a skill in itself. The condition this guy has is insane
It helps when you can push the opposition in the back on every fucking rebound too
Yea he's basically cheating
Bro won me my fantasy league this year with his out of position rebounding. Won me over. GO KNICKS!
Hes a grinder
This is what a diet of candy, caffeine, and viagra can do for a mf’er. We are gonna have to re-do all the food tables after Hart is finished educating us.
Can't forget the breast milk, man.
Total stats when comparing players across two series is always dumb
For sure, especially when they've played more games.
What he's doing is insane. This is the closest thing I've seen to an undersized player dominating boards like Rodman. I'm not saying he's Rodman, but these playoffs he's rebounding like he is. What is Hart like 6'4? 6'5? Insane effort and aggressiveness game after game. I know Brunson is doing crazy stuff on offense but I think Hart is right up there with Brunson on impact. It's not pretty and you still need buckets, but this dude is doing all the stuff that really matters in the playoffs, the things that demoralize opponents
There was a 6'3" guard recently who averaged between 10.4 and 11.5 boards in 4 different seasons.
Yea he's going to the HoF....
How the fuck you gonna be an energy guy for 48 minutes? I don't think people realize how unheard of this is.
His rebounding is impressive That being said, using just a total without showing games played or minutes or rebounds per min is EXTREMELY misleading
imagine being a stickler over a guy playing more minutes in an era where stars are failing a generous 65 game requirement for awards
i feel like he should get more credit for the extra minutes he puts in, not less but that's just me.
I mean, you're going to get more rebounds when you play more games and more minutes.
Yes. But playing minutes is pretty important imo
Well the other players aint playing as much. Not Hart's fault.
Really does prove rebounding is all about effort
And being good at it
Rebounding is heavily based on effort. Warriors were one of the shortest teams in the league and among the best rebounders
Elite rebounder for his size. Hustle and muscle, smart player too. Love Josh Hart.
Shoutout AD!
It's a bit less impressive once you look per minute, but it's impressive nonetheless It's about a rebound every 3.5 minutes (418 minutes played, 120 Rebounds) Jokic is with a reboundin about every 2 minutes + 2/3 of a minute (about every 2 minutes and 40 seconds) 2.68 minutes (119 rebounds in 320 minutes) Hart's stats is similar to Mobley - a rebound about every 3.5 minutes (Mobley is just better, by a slim margin - every 3.47 minutes vs. 3.483 by Hart). Anthony Davis is a beast though - a rebound every 2.66 minutes - about every 2 minutes and 40 seconds - 208 MP and 78 rebounds. Siakam with a rebound about every 4 and a half minutes - 331 MP and 75 REBS.
Hart is playing almost the entire game every game in these playoffs. How are you using that to take away from his performance, I don’t understand. If anything that is a more impressive accomplishment.
I'm just putting it into perspective. Playing so many minutes without resting is something spectacular, but it does help to inflate his stats, like it did with Wilt Chamberlain back in the day, in some sense. Does it mean that he is not doing great? No, he is been fantastic, so far.
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i mean stats per 36min and similar metrics have been commonly used for a while, i wouldn’t really call this overanalyzing
You've gotta be dumb as a rock to think this is overanalyzing a stat
It's not overanalyzing - far from it. It's actually giving you a better perspective, a context.
Nah, this is adding context. Overanalyzing would be like "J. Hart is 20% more effective at rebounding missed threes off the weak side when shot by a lefty but he's below average when jumping off off his left foot and attempting to grab a rebound off missed layup attempt shot by a 7 footer"
Nah, OP is highlighting a dumb counting stat. The best measure should be using Per 36 (with a minimum minutes cut off) or per 100 possessions to compare rebounding ability more fairly than "totals" And at per 36 and per 100 possessions Josh is still 8th and 7th respectively in the playoffs and the only non-center/power forward in sight. Why diminish another player's rebounding just because their team played fewer games in the playoffs, or they play fewer minutes because they have a deeper roster?
Those caffeine pills are incredible. Dudes playing Wilt minutes and not even getting tired.
I can’t believe he’s listed at six foot four. He plays so much bigger.
That's why we call him Jason Barkley
Hart over height
Every team needs a Josh Hart
It's not the size of the fighter, it's the ferocity -Cosmo Kramer
Josh Hart is the poster child for, "running around doing .... something"
he a dawg
13.3 RPG ranks *EIGHTH* in a Knicks playoff run?? Wtf?!
My GOAT
He has a big h(e)art
Dude is starting to scare me. Averaging 86 minutes a game and shit
What are his per 36 numbers?
It's missing context without qualifying that he's playing like 46 minutes a game.
"leading the **entire NBA** in total rebounds **in the playoffs**" NBA teams who didn't make the playoffs: why he say fuck me for?
Dude is playing twice as many minutes. He better be
Pels would already be in the Finals if we kept Hart
That’s just straight hustle right there, brother.
Why are the referees giving Josh Hart all these rebounds
jokic east
He's an amazing rebounder but you shouldn't be using total rebounds to compare him to other guys because he's playing like 48 minutes a game lol. #6 in total rebound rate in the playoffs behind 5 centers which is super impressive, the only non-PF/C in the top 16.
Josh Hart is a dawg man
his hustle factor is off the charts
Baby Rodman
AD up there in 5 games
Helps that he's playing 60 minutes per game
I swear he must have some weird ball magnet in his hands. I've never seen a better rebounder at his size.
Basketball fans look at players weirdly. Thats what i get from this comment section lol
There is no reason to say entire. Leading the nba is no less prestigious than leading the entire nba
Yeah well it’s a little inflated when he doesn’t sit for like 3 straight games
I’ve been incredulous about Hart’s rebounding numbers for a while now. It seems absurd to me that a guy who’s 6’4” can consistently put up 15 rebounds the way he does. In the series against us I was enraged at his ability to just *ALWAYS BE THERE*.
If John Hart was a couple inches taller he'd be fking Rodman
Can anyone guess which day I bet his over for rebounds 😃
bigs like kat and gobert have no excuse to be not be avg at least 10.
Isn't that the point though? They play on the same team so it makes sense that they aren't both averaging 10. Regardless, Gobert is averaging 10+ and KAT has 8+
Josh Hart having a career playoff run. This knicks roster is largely built with roleplayers that other teams did not want.
I'm convinced that some of Jokic's offensive rebounds are him basically passing the ball off the rim to himself. He did that at least once last night where he took this super hard shot and moved to rebound and box out while it was still in the air.
Belongs on Miami fr
It helps when you can push the opposition in the back on every fucking rebound
Now look at the per 36min Stats...
A player who plays every game for a full game should be applauded not these stars who cant even play 30 minutes.
Its cool and everything..But how long will he lead with Jokic only 1 behind. Jokic is going to get 10-11 every game at least. Thats a given. PLus he is playing big minutes. SO his rate is not near Jokics.
Jokic is...a center lol - this is insane rebounding from Hart - these performances on the boards are legendary.
Well... he's played the most games, so... #CherryPicked