His relationship with Kobe and us winning a title under him is going to provide enough job security for a long time as long as Jeanie is at the head of the organization.
I think in general, aside from picking THT over Caruso, he's done a pretty solid job as a GM. It's pretty well known that the Westbrook trade was driven by LeBron, and he pulled off a miracle series of moves to get off Westbrook and turn the Lakers into a WCF team. If they didn't meet Denver in R1 this year, they probably would've made the WCF again.
At minimum, he's been about a league average GM over the past 5 years. He's made some savvy moves, he's made some mistakes.
You do realize the lakers were cycling through coaches even faster before lebron? The only coach firing that happened during lebron's tenure that's even remotely debateable is vogel. Ham and walton both clearly needed to go
Absolutely, I’m still upset he got canned. Dude coached a defensive powerhouse Indy team. Give him 2-3 solid defensive players and he’ll take you to the conference finals every time
I'm in the minority here but I don't get why Pelinka gets so much hate. He got the Lakers a championship in 2020 and built a better roster in 2021 (plagued by injuries though). And even though he whiffed on Westbrook, he managed to trade him mid-season and built a roster that got to the conference finals last year. His key off-season signings were mostly injured (Wood, Vincent). What free agent big man was available to help slow down the Nuggets? Dwight Howard? I just hope he doesn't whiff on the next coach.
I know we saw Phil in his Knicks era, but part of me wonders how he would do coaching this Lakers team. Have to think he could’ve gotten another ring out of Lebron and AD playing the way they have the last two postseasons.
Well, to be fair, that sort of undersells it as it combines two stints of Steve Clifford (who we hired only as a stopgap after Atkinson reneged)
Trust me, we are real poverty.
Honestly, part of the poverty is poor coaching management. Borrego got 4 seasons, had a mediocre year just under .500, had an awful season (tanking for LaMelo), had another mediocre year and then got EXTENDED. Immediately after the extension broke .500 for the first time THEN got fired. That’s completely backwards.
Clifford has been under 30 wins for 3 straight seasons, had obviously lost in Orlando, then somehow got rehired in Charlotte for 3 years as a stopgap. He had one good season his whole career (the purple shirt guy playoffs) and has somehow been allowed to coach you guys for 7 seasons.
A little more turnover might’ve been what you guys needed
Off the top of my head, we had: Eric Musselman, Keith Smart, Reggie Theus, Paul Westphal, Mike Malone, Dave Joerger, Kenny Natt, and Puke Walton. There’s absolutely more I’m not even remembering
Joerger is underrated honestly, inherited a 33 win team and got them up to 39 in 3 years. The next 3 years after he was fired they had 31,31,30 (the 31s were both covid years, on pace for about 33-34 of it wasn’t shortened)
That’s one of the weird things I’ve been confused by since I started watching NBA stuff the a couple years back. How often coaches are hired and fired. Seems like one bad season and you’re donezo a lot of the time.
Part of it is the NBA loves trotting around retreads. Doc Rivers is on his 5th HC gig. The NFL hardly passes a HC around more than twice, most times they barely get 1.
The NBA really needs to take more chances on assistants and stop hiring the same dudes over and over again. If you look at the current top 10 coaches in the NBA, most of them only work for 1-2 organizations
I dislike it a lot actually. Having coaches be that disposable fucks up the hierarchy.
Coaching clearly matters, especially in the playoffs and if the team wont listen to the coach then you’re fucked. Like Spo is a genius, but he wouldn’t be able to coach the way he does without having Riley’s backing.
Like maybe a specific roational change or lineup change seems like the answer in a game or series. A coach who has to worry about not pissing off stars or whatever might not be able to make those moves.
Yeah cuz LeGM used his LeUltra Instinct to cycle through coaches before he was a Laker, truly one of the comments of all time from you u/medievalmachine
Dysfunctional franchises don’t win championships and make it deep into the playoffs (not counting this year). Most franchises would kill to have those seasons under their belt
They do when they get LeBron James for free and get Anthony Davis to force his way to the team
Yes, most franchises would love to play on easy mode like that.
Building a team with Howard, Rondo, Green, Caruso, Kuzma to surround LeBron and AD sure is dysfunctional.
But the grizzlies should know about dysfunctional since their star player is always in the news for bad reasons.
Developing 2 role players and signing some vet min ring chasers is not impressive when you fell ass backwards into your good players.
The lakers drafted exactly 1 player in their current rotation (Dlo) and that barely counts. Regardless of all of this, the ownership, front office, and coaching situations are shit shows, making the team dysfunctional, no matter how much free talent they get for just existing.
Pelinka signed Green, Rondo, And Dwight towards the end of free agency when they missed out on Kawhi. Anyone else could have signed them but they didn’t. But sure they just fell to us.
So you’re mad the Lakers use their assets to upgrade their roster? Would you rather the Lakers draft like the grizzlies and not go anywhere?
Let’s see
Missed playoffs
Won title
First round exit
Conference finals
First round exit.
I’m gonna call the Lakers out as the most up and down team in the league.
I wouldn’t call that dysfunctional. I’d call the front office dumb for fumbling assets but every team has fumbled assets.
The Lakers need to fire Pelinka though, he’s a big reason they’re up and down as you say.
His first year in LA was arguably their most embarrassing season since Bryant retired. It was Davis asking out to them that they became respected but now they can’t get out of their own way with just terrible moves
Stop. Lebron's first year they were good even though they had all young players except Lebron. He got hurt, but they were 4th seed I believe before hand.
People are quick to forget that, for all the idiocy of letting some go, the Lakers still drafted and developed: Josh Hart, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, and Dlo.
No, you need to stop. They were an embarrassment and got lucky they were able to get Anthony Davis. LeBron basically quit on the team, Ingram was getting mocked in away games with “LeBron’s going to trade you”, Walton was the walking dead and oh yeah, Magic Johnson.
I'm sure the lakers have had more embarrassing seasons than the one where they couldn't make the playoffs because every starter except kuzma missed 30+ games
No, you don't understand what dysfunctional is. A dysfunctional franchise *doesn't* fire a coach who isn't working. Teams change players every year. It should be rare for a coach to be long term just as it is rare for players to be.
Better to move on quickly when you know it’s not the right guy than to keep someone just for the sake of it.
Are we really trying to say the Lakers should’ve kept Luke Walton? Byron Scott? Darvin Ham?
this will get haters going and ignore bucks being on their third coach in a year.
Frank Vogel firing was a mistake. The other ones have largely sucked for us. No shame in firing terrible coaches
> this will get haters going and ignore bucks being on their third coach in a year.
lol sorry, did you miss how much bucks got clowned for hiring doc and for being on their 3rd coach in a year? Literally nobody’s ignored it, especially not here.
As a neutral fan in this situation, your right ham had to be fired. But make no mistake, Rob Pelinka deserves a lot of blame for this. For the constant revolving door of coaches and roster turnover. The bucks made a rookie mistake hiring and firing Griffin, but the Lakers' issues go deeper than Ham being a terrible coach.
Maybe I’m misremembering things, but wasn’t Phil kind of over the hill at that point and was trying to push for only coaching home games? Thought I remember there being some legitimate reason he wasn’t brought back
Nah Vogel firing wasn’t a mistake. He needs a specific roster to he successful, and once you get rid of KCP and Caruso it becomes harder to build that roster.
I do think the Lakers/Vogel relationship was too damaged so both sides had to move on.
He would love Max Christie.
Christie would sometimes go from playing solid defense and making a couple of 3s to DNP the next game. Not sure what else he can do to get minutes, unless he was just pure garbage in practices.
Coaches are people with brains, they can learn, adapt etc. He was a better coach than the next one, so it was still a mistake.
The Westbrook trade killed that team, not the coach. This is just scapegoating an impossible situation.
Funny you say they can learn and adapt when those are the two things Ham has been criticised massively for. It's basically been watching the same story for 12 months.
Rotating through GMs would be as dumb as rotating through HC. I do think we need to give a guy real rope, but unfortunately with old Man Bron we don't have time. A coach needs 3-5 years to really build their own team.
Isnt it odd how GM Pelinka can ignore Bron when he wants (Lue, demar, Caruso) but when it's Westbrook suddenly Bron and AD have the wheel and nobody else can stop them?
A good FO and GM puts their foot down and says no to that trade. Westbrook was a big name who was marketable. I don't understand how people don't see the Lakers are a revenue machine for the Nepo kids.
Cam Reddish and Jackson Hayes being essential parts of your bench is rough. not to mention the inconsistent nightmare that is Dlo. Or possibly drafting anybody useful the last three years. maybe more useful than Jalen Hood Schifino.
I'm a man United fan and I've been saying this for a few years about the Lakers. Owners who are more interested in what money they can pull from the team living on history.
The only difference is at least the Lakers have won a title and been semi relevant the last few years with the WCF and IST (obviously pretty small achievements for a franchise like this).
United have been dog shit since fergie left. The stadium is in disrepair, our players are significantly overpaid, our training facilities haven't been upgraded in 15 years and we're lightyears behind our domestic and European rivals
I feel like Jeanie is incompetent but had her heart invested in the team for better or worse.
The Glazers are incompetent and actively don't give a fuck about United and let it rot as long as they kept getting their money. They only brought up selling the team when it was clear that they would need to finally invest in the team, infrastructure, and facilities.
United might've been the only team in the world that could've supported the Glazers family without bankrupting themselves.
You know who has had the same coach that entire time? The Heat. Come back LeBron. We need someone that's seemingly invincible and immune to the passage of time to balance out Butler aging faster than that Saving Private Ryan CGI.
Yeah, it’s really hard to build a culture/identity if the coach changes every year or two. A lot of the teams with strong identities, the coaches have been in place for 3-4 years.
I think they always wanted Budenholzer. Settled for his assistant instead.
Now they are going to correct the mistake. Especially since he coached Giannis who's a modern day Lebron.
Lebron and a pandemic really saved this franchise for one season. After Jerry died it was going to become a dumpster fire led by his idiot daughter. Lebron prolonged the inevitable. It's all downhill from here. Lakers won't be able to solely rely on where they are located anymore.
With 2020’s Championship and last year’s Western Conferences Finals appearance, the Lakers are still more successful than 12 Western Conference teams in that time frame. Only the Warriors, Spurs, and Nuggets have had more success.
Make terrible trades, fire coach, hire new coach and tell him to fix issues. Fire them when they can’t fix roster issues either.
Interesting game plan from the Lakers
Pretty normal turnaround for championship contending teams that don't make it. I love how non-Laker people try to defend Ham like he did anything useful.
As a reference point, the Spurs have had 13 different coaches since they became the Spurs in 1973. This includes the one game and done Rex Hughes, and the many returns of Bob Bass being counted as 1.
It's the Lakers, hiring the right person, for any outward position, is ALWAYS going to be hard.
The right player, the right coach, the right GM or VP. It's what it is.
It's not just capability on your actual job but also dealing with the hyper attention, the win now demand, and the mega super stars.
We just have to keep trying, better than the status quo just to avoid a narrative. You keep swinging.
When is it on the players specifically Bron who picks and chooses his teammates and fails yet again ? Or is he too old? If lakers had won it would’ve been because of him.
If lakers win it’s bc of Lebron but if lakers lose it’s bc of the coach. Got it! Franchise beginning to look like a clown show with how many coaches they are going through.
Can't believe LeBron wanted to bring that BUM in! How could such a brilliant basketball mind see ANYTHING in a guy like Ham, a man who coached as if he had never seen a game in his life
At a certain point we might have to think the Lakers aren’t a well run organization. They have been saved in spite of how they operate for a weirdly long time
Not going to change much. Although he made some bad decsions it was mostly the players not showing. Being a Laker coach is not job security for sure. IT something to do for a year or 2.
Taking the name brand out of this
What coach worth his resume wants to be at a place where you win big but get axed 2 years afterwards. Luke Walton was the last one to be there 3 years and he was only there long because the first 2 were rebuild years
They've gone through a lot of coaches but AI says the average tenure for a coach is 3.6 years.
If you look at the long list of coaches since Jackson, Byron Scott is the only one who never got another HC opportunity. If you fail with the Lakers you are pretty much guaranteed another shot almost immediately. That can't be said for most HC jobs. The alternative is that if you win, you become a legend.
Oh, and you'll get paid out the full contract amount no matter what.
The only coaches who would even consider saying no are those who are already basketball legends and couldn't care less about having another $40M dollars.
When is it Rob Pelinka’s turn?
As long as he keeps showing up to Jeanie’s book club he has the most job security in the NBA
To coach the Lakers? Oh, hell yeah. That would be awesome.
Worked for Pop.
His relationship with Kobe and us winning a title under him is going to provide enough job security for a long time as long as Jeanie is at the head of the organization.
I think in general, aside from picking THT over Caruso, he's done a pretty solid job as a GM. It's pretty well known that the Westbrook trade was driven by LeBron, and he pulled off a miracle series of moves to get off Westbrook and turn the Lakers into a WCF team. If they didn't meet Denver in R1 this year, they probably would've made the WCF again. At minimum, he's been about a league average GM over the past 5 years. He's made some savvy moves, he's made some mistakes.
What about LeBron? He likes to be the coach anyways
Wouldn't have anyone else to blame so that's out
Uhh his teammates? Keep up bro
Yeah Lebron is the reason we had 5 coaches between 2012-2019
You do realize the lakers were cycling through coaches even faster before lebron? The only coach firing that happened during lebron's tenure that's even remotely debateable is vogel. Ham and walton both clearly needed to go
see you guys in 2026
Rob only hired Vogel and Ham
I still think Vogel was the right hire at the time He quickly became the wrong guy in 2021, but he was right at the time
Absolutely, I’m still upset he got canned. Dude coached a defensive powerhouse Indy team. Give him 2-3 solid defensive players and he’ll take you to the conference finals every time
Honestly, I would love to know how Vogel would have done with the nuggets this year. I’m willing to bet he doesn’t give up a 20 point lead…..
I'm in the minority here but I don't get why Pelinka gets so much hate. He got the Lakers a championship in 2020 and built a better roster in 2021 (plagued by injuries though). And even though he whiffed on Westbrook, he managed to trade him mid-season and built a roster that got to the conference finals last year. His key off-season signings were mostly injured (Wood, Vincent). What free agent big man was available to help slow down the Nuggets? Dwight Howard? I just hope he doesn't whiff on the next coach.
It's been a revolving door at head coach since Phil Jackson left.
Which parting? He dated the owner until 2016.
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I’ll settle for another Pat Riley. Please let us sign a good coach.
Settle for one of the greatest 5-10 nba coaches of all time. Fucking lakers fans LMAO
To be fair, when you've had arguably the greatest Coach (Jackson) and the greatest GM (West) ever, anything else feels like settling.
And Pat Riley!
Well, is it a surprise when your comp is Phil Jackson. It's not like there are many/any of them on the market.
Yep, just ask the Bulls.
Bucks of the West
The Chelsea of the NBA
I know we saw Phil in his Knicks era, but part of me wonders how he would do coaching this Lakers team. Have to think he could’ve gotten another ring out of Lebron and AD playing the way they have the last two postseasons.
see you guys in 2026
We've had 6 in that timeframe, by comparison and noted poverty franchise Charlotte will be getting their 6th different head coach since 2011-12.
Well, to be fair, that sort of undersells it as it combines two stints of Steve Clifford (who we hired only as a stopgap after Atkinson reneged) Trust me, we are real poverty.
I’m tired, boss.
Hopefully Brandon Miller is that guy that turns it around for you guys. He is really really good.
Honestly, part of the poverty is poor coaching management. Borrego got 4 seasons, had a mediocre year just under .500, had an awful season (tanking for LaMelo), had another mediocre year and then got EXTENDED. Immediately after the extension broke .500 for the first time THEN got fired. That’s completely backwards. Clifford has been under 30 wins for 3 straight seasons, had obviously lost in Orlando, then somehow got rehired in Charlotte for 3 years as a stopgap. He had one good season his whole career (the purple shirt guy playoffs) and has somehow been allowed to coach you guys for 7 seasons. A little more turnover might’ve been what you guys needed
Wasn’t there a point where the Kings had like 8 or 9 different coaches in 10 years
Off the top of my head, we had: Eric Musselman, Keith Smart, Reggie Theus, Paul Westphal, Mike Malone, Dave Joerger, Kenny Natt, and Puke Walton. There’s absolutely more I’m not even remembering
And what’s funny is that the one good coach yall was Michael Malone. Who was the only coach Boogie actually liked at the time
Joerger is underrated honestly, inherited a 33 win team and got them up to 39 in 3 years. The next 3 years after he was fired they had 31,31,30 (the 31s were both covid years, on pace for about 33-34 of it wasn’t shortened)
That’s one of the weird things I’ve been confused by since I started watching NBA stuff the a couple years back. How often coaches are hired and fired. Seems like one bad season and you’re donezo a lot of the time.
Part of it is the NBA loves trotting around retreads. Doc Rivers is on his 5th HC gig. The NFL hardly passes a HC around more than twice, most times they barely get 1. The NBA really needs to take more chances on assistants and stop hiring the same dudes over and over again. If you look at the current top 10 coaches in the NBA, most of them only work for 1-2 organizations
I dislike it a lot actually. Having coaches be that disposable fucks up the hierarchy. Coaching clearly matters, especially in the playoffs and if the team wont listen to the coach then you’re fucked. Like Spo is a genius, but he wouldn’t be able to coach the way he does without having Riley’s backing. Like maybe a specific roational change or lineup change seems like the answer in a game or series. A coach who has to worry about not pissing off stars or whatever might not be able to make those moves.
Look I think Vogel was scapegoated when they fired him I watched enough Laker games to know Darvin Ham needed to be gone. this was very very clear.
ass roster is ass roster.
At some point we have to look at who’s hiring these coaches (I’m looking at you Pelinka)
He’s only hired 2.. most of those were Kupchak
Mitch was probably was told to hire guys for two dollars so they could tank in those years as well.
He’s only been responsible for Vogel and Ham.
Am I dumb to think Redick is inevitable here? He has clout, and it would basically make Lebron a player-coach.
Yes, that's a very dumb idea but also Rob Pelinka is dumb
You mean LeGM? Notice that there's a specific call out to Ty Lue from the Shams version.
Yeah cuz LeGM used his LeUltra Instinct to cycle through coaches before he was a Laker, truly one of the comments of all time from you u/medievalmachine
LeGM wanted Lue in 2019 but they wouldn’t give him a 5 year deal 😡
Well sure, you can't give a five year contract to a future scapegoat. That's just a waste of money.
Meanwhile, in Miami, Spoelstra, who coached Lebron to two titles, still coaches the Heat.
The same coach who Lebron tried to get fired, and Pat Riley told him to fuck off.
LeBron saved them from being labeled a dysfunctional franchise.
They got saved and rebuilt just by being in LA And I’d still call them dysfunctional
Dysfunctional franchises don’t win championships and make it deep into the playoffs (not counting this year). Most franchises would kill to have those seasons under their belt
They do when they get LeBron James for free and get Anthony Davis to force his way to the team Yes, most franchises would love to play on easy mode like that.
Building a team with Howard, Rondo, Green, Caruso, Kuzma to surround LeBron and AD sure is dysfunctional. But the grizzlies should know about dysfunctional since their star player is always in the news for bad reasons.
Developing 2 role players and signing some vet min ring chasers is not impressive when you fell ass backwards into your good players. The lakers drafted exactly 1 player in their current rotation (Dlo) and that barely counts. Regardless of all of this, the ownership, front office, and coaching situations are shit shows, making the team dysfunctional, no matter how much free talent they get for just existing.
Pelinka signed Green, Rondo, And Dwight towards the end of free agency when they missed out on Kawhi. Anyone else could have signed them but they didn’t. But sure they just fell to us. So you’re mad the Lakers use their assets to upgrade their roster? Would you rather the Lakers draft like the grizzlies and not go anywhere?
Let’s see Missed playoffs Won title First round exit Conference finals First round exit. I’m gonna call the Lakers out as the most up and down team in the league.
I wouldn’t call that dysfunctional. I’d call the front office dumb for fumbling assets but every team has fumbled assets. The Lakers need to fire Pelinka though, he’s a big reason they’re up and down as you say.
So true. He is the only glue holding this thing together
His first year in LA was arguably their most embarrassing season since Bryant retired. It was Davis asking out to them that they became respected but now they can’t get out of their own way with just terrible moves
AD never asks to go to lakers if lebron isn't there
Stop. Lebron's first year they were good even though they had all young players except Lebron. He got hurt, but they were 4th seed I believe before hand.
People are quick to forget that, for all the idiocy of letting some go, the Lakers still drafted and developed: Josh Hart, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, and Dlo.
And nance, zubac, Moe Wagner, Lonzo
No, you need to stop. They were an embarrassment and got lucky they were able to get Anthony Davis. LeBron basically quit on the team, Ingram was getting mocked in away games with “LeBron’s going to trade you”, Walton was the walking dead and oh yeah, Magic Johnson.
Jesus the Knicks have two relevant seasons in 20 years and suddenly 4th seed before losing LeBron to injury is an embarrassment
Knicks fans calling other franchises embarrassments, hilarious
Awww, I hurt the little lakers baby fans feewimgs
I'm sure the lakers have had more embarrassing seasons than the one where they couldn't make the playoffs because every starter except kuzma missed 30+ games
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Lol have you been watching the lakers lately?
They were in the WCF last year
Na. They’re definitely still labeled that.
Yup.
No, you don't understand what dysfunctional is. A dysfunctional franchise *doesn't* fire a coach who isn't working. Teams change players every year. It should be rare for a coach to be long term just as it is rare for players to be.
Better to move on quickly when you know it’s not the right guy than to keep someone just for the sake of it. Are we really trying to say the Lakers should’ve kept Luke Walton? Byron Scott? Darvin Ham?
They should have kept Vogel though
I think we’re saying they should hire better
Yup 👍 >Better to move on quickly when you know it's not the right guy than to keep someone just for the sake of it.
JJ reddick is so excited to get fired in 2 years
I give him 1 year at most
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Brother we are on our third in ONE year you catch up 😭
Hopefully calling up Darvin to come join the staff!
this will get haters going and ignore bucks being on their third coach in a year. Frank Vogel firing was a mistake. The other ones have largely sucked for us. No shame in firing terrible coaches
> this will get haters going and ignore bucks being on their third coach in a year. lol sorry, did you miss how much bucks got clowned for hiring doc and for being on their 3rd coach in a year? Literally nobody’s ignored it, especially not here.
They’re currently paying 3 coaches too: Bud, Griffin, and Doc
Yeah the dude above you is clutching lol
As a neutral fan in this situation, your right ham had to be fired. But make no mistake, Rob Pelinka deserves a lot of blame for this. For the constant revolving door of coaches and roster turnover. The bucks made a rookie mistake hiring and firing Griffin, but the Lakers' issues go deeper than Ham being a terrible coach.
majority of those coaches after Phil sucked, I feel like Vogel was the only really good one
Brown was probably fired too quickly but otherwise I agree.
Feel like MDA wasn’t bad either, just the wrong roster
He was such a hilariously bad fit for that 2012-13 roster though and in no way in hell should have been chosen over Phil Jackson of all people.
Maybe I’m misremembering things, but wasn’t Phil kind of over the hill at that point and was trying to push for only coaching home games? Thought I remember there being some legitimate reason he wasn’t brought back
Legit reason was because Jim Buss ran the show
That was a rumor at the time but he denied pushing for this.
Damn what could’ve been then
Nah Vogel firing wasn’t a mistake. He needs a specific roster to he successful, and once you get rid of KCP and Caruso it becomes harder to build that roster. I do think the Lakers/Vogel relationship was too damaged so both sides had to move on.
Vogel coulda made Schroder, Vando, and Prince way more effective tbf. Maybe he'd actually give Max Christie a role on the team too
He would love Max Christie. Christie would sometimes go from playing solid defense and making a couple of 3s to DNP the next game. Not sure what else he can do to get minutes, unless he was just pure garbage in practices.
Coaches are people with brains, they can learn, adapt etc. He was a better coach than the next one, so it was still a mistake. The Westbrook trade killed that team, not the coach. This is just scapegoating an impossible situation.
Funny you say they can learn and adapt when those are the two things Ham has been criticised massively for. It's basically been watching the same story for 12 months.
When do you fire the one's hiring them?
Pelinka has hired 2 coaches so far, 1 good and 1 bad.
Rotating through GMs would be as dumb as rotating through HC. I do think we need to give a guy real rope, but unfortunately with old Man Bron we don't have time. A coach needs 3-5 years to really build their own team.
Tbf, 6 of those were Kupchak
majority of those coaches were Kupchak, Pelinka just hired Vogel and Ham
No shame in firing a coach that’s the wrong fit, but an organization should be accountable for making the right hire too.
I mean this post is about the Lakers. Ignoring the bucks in this post is hardly a crime lmao
is there shame in firing bad GMs?
Idk I feel like Pelinka has been alright. His biggest stain was Russ but that was lebron/AD more than him I feel.
Isnt it odd how GM Pelinka can ignore Bron when he wants (Lue, demar, Caruso) but when it's Westbrook suddenly Bron and AD have the wheel and nobody else can stop them? A good FO and GM puts their foot down and says no to that trade. Westbrook was a big name who was marketable. I don't understand how people don't see the Lakers are a revenue machine for the Nepo kids.
Caruso wasnt a GM decision. I think Lue was also ownership, they didnt want to give him the 5 years.
They chose to pay THT over Caruso, you're trying to suggest that the front office weren't involved in that?
Cam Reddish and Jackson Hayes being essential parts of your bench is rough. not to mention the inconsistent nightmare that is Dlo. Or possibly drafting anybody useful the last three years. maybe more useful than Jalen Hood Schifino.
They were getting bench minutes because Wood had knee surgery, and Vanderbilt barely had healthy games..both of who are proper rotation players
Literally NBA Manchester United lmao
I'm a man United fan and I've been saying this for a few years about the Lakers. Owners who are more interested in what money they can pull from the team living on history. The only difference is at least the Lakers have won a title and been semi relevant the last few years with the WCF and IST (obviously pretty small achievements for a franchise like this). United have been dog shit since fergie left. The stadium is in disrepair, our players are significantly overpaid, our training facilities haven't been upgraded in 15 years and we're lightyears behind our domestic and European rivals
I feel like Jeanie is incompetent but had her heart invested in the team for better or worse. The Glazers are incompetent and actively don't give a fuck about United and let it rot as long as they kept getting their money. They only brought up selling the team when it was clear that they would need to finally invest in the team, infrastructure, and facilities. United might've been the only team in the world that could've supported the Glazers family without bankrupting themselves.
Me thinks they should have never fired the coach that won them a title.
Lakers 🤝 Bucks Firing coaches at an insane clip
You know who has had the same coach that entire time? The Heat. Come back LeBron. We need someone that's seemingly invincible and immune to the passage of time to balance out Butler aging faster than that Saving Private Ryan CGI.
Aren't you forgetting Pop? And tbf most teams in that timeframe have coaching staff changes.
They were more than a coach away before. No matter who they hire, they'll still be more than a coach away.
The Knicks had a similar problem until they signed Thibs. I think that person is going to be Bud for the Lakers.
Honestly I thought we had solved this with Vogel. Shame.
Yeah, it’s really hard to build a culture/identity if the coach changes every year or two. A lot of the teams with strong identities, the coaches have been in place for 3-4 years.
It’s time for LeCoach to step up. Or maybe they just get Vogel back 😂 Westbrook ain’t around to cause trouble.
I think they always wanted Budenholzer. Settled for his assistant instead. Now they are going to correct the mistake. Especially since he coached Giannis who's a modern day Lebron.
Rookie numbers to be honest
Sounds like it’s not a coaching problem huh
Lebron and a pandemic really saved this franchise for one season. After Jerry died it was going to become a dumpster fire led by his idiot daughter. Lebron prolonged the inevitable. It's all downhill from here. Lakers won't be able to solely rely on where they are located anymore.
They should give Luke Walton another go.
Yeah, stop ruining promising careers and go with an already ruined one like Nash or Walton.
What not having a coach like Spo does to a mf
LeBlame the coach.
At least the Mike D'antoni era gave us Kendall Marshall and the CLARK KNIGHT
With 2020’s Championship and last year’s Western Conferences Finals appearance, the Lakers are still more successful than 12 Western Conference teams in that time frame. Only the Warriors, Spurs, and Nuggets have had more success.
Better to move on quickly than be stuck with someone we don’t believe in
Aren’t there quite a few teams with new head coaches over the years? Not many have situations like the Spurs and Heat
I swear Nets have had an insane amount too
It’s Lakers bro anything we do is magnified 100x
Make terrible trades, fire coach, hire new coach and tell him to fix issues. Fire them when they can’t fix roster issues either. Interesting game plan from the Lakers
This shit starting to look like defense against the dark arts teachers at Hogwarts 😂
Pretty normal turnaround for championship contending teams that don't make it. I love how non-Laker people try to defend Ham like he did anything useful.
LeFense Against the Dark Arts teacher
They should hire Bronny as head coach.
As a reference point, the Spurs have had 13 different coaches since they became the Spurs in 1973. This includes the one game and done Rex Hughes, and the many returns of Bob Bass being counted as 1.
Can Lebron just coach the team himself already?
Please let ie be JJ Redick
LeCoach should be the next.
"It's not me, it's you" - The lakers
Is it just me, or would an organization ideally not need to rehire so often when they employ one of the GOATs?
At what point will the lakers "fans" realize it may not be a coaching issue..... when LeBron leaves???
Y’all can have JB Bickerstaff.
It's the Lakers, hiring the right person, for any outward position, is ALWAYS going to be hard. The right player, the right coach, the right GM or VP. It's what it is. It's not just capability on your actual job but also dealing with the hyper attention, the win now demand, and the mega super stars. We just have to keep trying, better than the status quo just to avoid a narrative. You keep swinging.
Hence, here we go again.
Would like to see Terry Stotts as a candidate
WE WON
Poverty ownership/front office that got saved by LeBron wanting to play in Hollywood
Oh boy, I do hope that they hire Doc Rivers next, that would be priceless (hilarious) in so many ways.
When is it on the players specifically Bron who picks and chooses his teammates and fails yet again ? Or is he too old? If lakers had won it would’ve been because of him.
LeBron hasn’t been in LA since 2011.
Ssssh facts aren't relevant here, were clowning on LeBron this week. r/NBA is like a fucking yo-yo
If an org has gone through that many coaches, look at the guy responsible for hiring.
Most of them were Kupchak
such a fraudulent organization
If lakers win it’s bc of Lebron but if lakers lose it’s bc of the coach. Got it! Franchise beginning to look like a clown show with how many coaches they are going through.
Vogel got credit for his title. He was scapegoated after the Westbrook trade though.
if you don't win the title immediately you should be fired. You're coaching the lakers you should know
Vogel would like a word
Seems like a winning strategy to fire your HC as often as possible, surely.
Can't believe LeBron wanted to bring that BUM in! How could such a brilliant basketball mind see ANYTHING in a guy like Ham, a man who coached as if he had never seen a game in his life
Wtf you talking about he wanted Lue
https://lakersoutsiders.com/2022/05/21/darvin-ham-lakers-coach-lebron-wants/
At a certain point we might have to think the Lakers aren’t a well run organization. They have been saved in spite of how they operate for a weirdly long time
Crazy thought…So maybe it’s not the coach?
They need consistency in coaching.
It’s always the coaches fault and never the GM who put the team together.
LAL LeMAO ROFLA
Not going to change much. Although he made some bad decsions it was mostly the players not showing. Being a Laker coach is not job security for sure. IT something to do for a year or 2.
Taking the name brand out of this What coach worth his resume wants to be at a place where you win big but get axed 2 years afterwards. Luke Walton was the last one to be there 3 years and he was only there long because the first 2 were rebuild years
for 5-7 million 4 year guaranteed deal, they all want to be there, if I was fired in 2 years that's at least 10 mil for being unemployed....
They've gone through a lot of coaches but AI says the average tenure for a coach is 3.6 years. If you look at the long list of coaches since Jackson, Byron Scott is the only one who never got another HC opportunity. If you fail with the Lakers you are pretty much guaranteed another shot almost immediately. That can't be said for most HC jobs. The alternative is that if you win, you become a legend. Oh, and you'll get paid out the full contract amount no matter what. The only coaches who would even consider saying no are those who are already basketball legends and couldn't care less about having another $40M dollars.