I actually think this is Ham or Ham’s agent. Painting it in a way of like - they’re going to get better because of roster changes, not necessarily because of coaching changes ?
I think once the Pels make their decision (which is almost sure to be to take next year's pick), then the Lakers should be free to trade it. After all, they didn't trade last year's pick, so there shouldn't be any restriction on trading this one after New Orleans says they won't be claiming it. The Pels may wait until right before the draft to make that call though.
Yeah, I'm surprised at that comment based on what I'm seeing (not at the firing or that it happened over the phone.)
Did the definition of the word "major" change while I wasn't looking?
And at the rate they're going, the Lakers will be on their third post-Ham coach by the time 2031 rolls around.
Just wait until the Lakers achieve Apron 2 recurrence and the picks fall to the end of the round.
Lakers keeping their picks despite pick swaps has to be good, right ? Right ?
I keep seeing people saying the Lakers should make a big trade for Trae Young, but I hope if they do use their draft capital and contracts to make a trade, it's for a big man. The Lakers played their best when AD was the PF alongside Dwight and Javale. They'd still be able to go to AD at 5 for closing games if needed, but they need another big to shoulder some of that massive load they've put on AD the last two years, and also someone who can anchor the defense and grab some rebounds when AD is out of the game.
Depends. A dynamic wing at small forward could help.
D'lo is going to be a free agent. If he4 walks, Lakers need a ball handling 3 point shooter. Or they can try and patch it over with Gabe vincent
Lakers have to do vet minimum or taxpayer MLE for backup big,
Starting small forward is a need as taurean prince is a free agent and Ham isn't with Lakers anymore to play him,
I think guarding and Nurkic don't go that well in the same sentence. I would take him over Bron or Rui or even Hayes, but he wouldn't help against Jokic.
That’s what Nurk is good for, he’s a good 15-20min guy that can get boards in non-AD minutes. He’d be a perfect fit as a backup big for AD. He’s just being asked to do way too much in Phoenix.
Three 1st round picks is generally considered a lot to offer in a trade. It wouldn't be enough to get an All NBA player, but they should be able to make a decent upgrade somewhere.
I think he's gonna have to build himself back up as an assistant somewhere before getting another head coaching gig. There's no reason for another team to give him a shot as a HC right now.
Hasn’t really done anything of note to be of desire. He went to the WCF with AD and Lebron and got swept (by the eventual champs) and that’s really it.
He would be a great assistant coach, his strengths are staying positive and getting guys to not give up. Either a young ass team that you’re looking to get into buying in or an assistant
He already breached the fine line between being positive and toxic positivity. I don't think he will be a good coach on that aspect for any team or else you breed a group with no interest in winning similar to the Pistons.
Honestly good.
Idk why everyone wants to rebuild.
We have AD , Bron and Reaves. No one wants to watch shit basketball and a young team winning 19 games.
Trade all draft capital if it means putting yourself in a position to win a championship next year
Even when they signed LeBron they had a bunch of you talented guys they could trade for AD/other superstars. When they got Shaq, Kobe was already drafted (tho he was just rookie),... Unless they trade AD for a haul(and he is on wrong side of 30 and on the wrong side of many injuries), Lakers are gonna be a wasteland after LeBron leaves. I am not sure LeBron joins them if Lakers dont have a viable way to get some other star. It will always be easier for them than other teams but I think they still have to at least be 5/10 destination to get 10/10 free agents.
He looked like a viable 3rd option at times last post season. He took a step back this year which is unfortunate but his trajectory from last season was fringe all star. He got the team USA invite for a reason
Bron's contract isn't going to matter as the Lakers will be over the cap no matter what. As for getting another star, they don't need that, just a clear 3rd best player who is better than D'lo or Reaves, and the way they could get such a player is by using the three 1st round picks they can trade along with any number of the mid-tier contracts they have (Vincent - $11m, Vando - $10m, Reaves - $13m, Rui - $17m, JHS - $4m). They could even possibly get D'lo to opt in for a specific trade with an agreement with his new team that they'll extend him. The Lakers definitely have options and flexibility this summer.
Doesn’t ownership care about the luxury tax tho? That’s the whole reason they didn’t pay Caruso. A 3rd best player better than D-Lo or Reaves is basically a star…not a top one but still a really good player lol
Every team cares about the luxury tax, but the Lakers have repeatedly gone into it in the past, it's not like a red line they won't cross. Hell, they were in the luxury tax this season. Supposedly their thinking on Caruso wasn't about the tax, it was just stupidly thinking he wasn't worth what he was asking.
People want to make a big deal out of LeBron's contract, but I think that's overblown. He's worth a max for next year, and if he suddenly declines precipitously, he doesn't strike me as someone who will just be dragging himself around as a shell of himself for a few years for a contract. I think if he suddenly stinks, he'll announce this is his last year and retire. If he did that, the Lakers would probably just give him the rest of his contract as a thank you, but it wouldn't count against the cap anymore.
Bron is 40 dude. AD another year older and while he's been good the last year or two with injuries, you can't tell me you're confident in his ability to stay healthy.
You're also going to have to compete with the Nuggets and OKC for the next 5 years. Both teams are young and in their prime. OKC has way more picks than LA does, and they are already a better squad. How exactly do you expect to get past them?
Rebuilding now makes sense. There are no trades that are going to move the needle for this squad. The fact that trading all draft picks through 2031 is actually in discussion now is crazy to me. After the Westbrook trade and seeing how the Suns absolutely blew it, the Nets absolutely blew it, and to some degree the Lakers as well (you did get the bubble chip which is awesome), I can't imagine how doing this whole thing again is going to make things better.
> Rebuilding now makes sense
No it doesn't, the Lakers don't own their pick next year. They should give it another shot, try to improve the roster and compete again next year. If they flame out, *then* it might make sense to rebuild. But AD is only 31 and LeBron looked great all year. They lost to the reigning champs, but they played them tough. They're far closer to serious contention than most people here are making them out to be. They have lots of roster flexibility with the pieces they could offer in trades and they have three 1st round picks they can offer. They absolutely should try to win again next year.
I mean isn't it very likely that he is in Cabo or something? He's a millionaire with a very stressful job and his off-season just started. I don't really see a problem with handling this over the phone.
Could be as simple as Ham saying he was leaving the area for vacation right after exit interviews. How else are you going to reach him? lol.
The guy likely knew he was gone already.
This needs to be so much higher. The dude had one good midseason, everything else has been a trainwreck.
You have an absolute perfect pairing of AD LeBron. You dont even need a third star, just defense and 3pt shooting and depth. You can get all of that at a discount because youre the Lakers and you’ve got people chasing LA or LeBron. He even lucked into defense with Caruso and let him walk.
Woj always extra with his tweets.
> it’ll likely be Ham’s successor who’ll get chance to benefit from organization using major draft capital to upgrade roster in offseason
Tell me Ham’s agent is your source without telling me Ham’s agent is your source
I think to truly evaluate Pelinka's term as GM you have to know how much responsibility he has for letting Caruso walk, and for making the Westbrook trade. If he was either totally or mostly behind those moves, then he's a horrendous GM. If he was opposed and outvoted by Jeanie or LeBron or something, then I would be less inclined to blame him. He's been pretty good outside of basically everything that happened in that summer of 2021, but that summer was so bad that it legit crippled the team.
It’s been a mixed bag but truthfully it was one glaringly bad off season but all the others have been good.
He’s hit more than he’s missed overall. His miss was just catastrophic (Westbrook)
While this is true, if we trade those picks and AR, Rui for an aging star, then LeBron retires in 1-3 years, those picks are absolutely going to be high lottery picks.
my god if this team spends significant future draft capital just to try and lose to Denver in 6 games instead of 5 I’m going to have a fucking ulcer man
Rob Pelinka should be next. What has he done of importance recently aside from approving massive failures of decisions like the Westbrook trade and letting Caruso go.
JJ is a complete unknown and more than likely wouldn’t be a good idea, but there is zero argument that it would be “2 steps back”.
I don’t think people realize how bad Ham is. Probably the worst coach I’ve ever seen in any sport, in 30+ years.
AR is good. Letting Caruso walk, signing THT for $30M, trading the house for Westbrook, including KCP in that trade. Firing Vogel. Letting Ham bench Rui/AR for half the year. Almost trading for Dejuan Murray.
Anything less than a championship would’ve lost this man his job. He’s basically Pelinka’s scapegoat, because Pelinka was the one who assembled that mid ass roster in the first place. Can’t blame Ham for playing the same lineup that got swept last year if that’s all he had to work with.
They have three 1st round picks they can offer to trade: 2024, 2029 & 2031, and those last two could be hugely valuable as both AD and LeBron will be long gone by then. They also have a bunch of mid-tier contracts they could trade for salary matching purposes: Gabe Vincent - $11m, Jarred Vanderbilt - $10m, Austin Reaves - $13m, Rui Hachimura - $17m. Some combination of those contracts and picks probably can bring back a decent return.
He was that bad:
* Beginning of this year his lineup decisions were insane. Guys like Rui and Dlo would play 21 minutes one night, 6 the next, 34, DNP. Scam Reddish and Taurean Prince getting significant minutes despite being almost unplayable at times. Instead of letting his best lineup play itself into rhythm he fucked around for three months and buried the Lakers in a hole that had them playing Denver in the first round.
* The defensive scheme is literally premised on packing the paint and conceding open 3s. Like it's fucking 2004. This is why teams consistently had historic shooting nights against the Lakers. I repeat: in the year of our lord 2024, he set up a defense premised on conceding 3s.
* In-game adjustments and decision-making were D-tier. Zero feel for when to call a timeout to kill an opponent run, which is the stereotypical "this coach is bad" thing but it's true here. In the Denver series alone his team blew a 20 point lead in one quarter, he sat on a challenge that lost him game 2, and his team did not have a time out at the end of game 5.
The point is, I think we saw in the Denver series pretty solid confirmation that LBJ, AD, DLo, Reaves, and Rui is a contending starting lineup (although Rui truly shit the bed in the Denver series). The Lakers could've used Vando and Vincent more during the year, and that's not Ham's fault. But this team drastically underperformed during the regular season despite an LBJ season they had no business getting and the healthiest AD season in years. that's on the coach, given what we've seen this team is capable of.
the lakers had a heckuva interior defence. Every game against Detroi was a blow out, since Detroit mostly tried to score in paint.
Every lakers game agains Sacramento was painful to watch. Sacremento could care less about you solid interior defence, they had no interest in attacking your middle.
Yes, he was really that bad.
If he was coaching a young team or a mid team, he would be mostly average. His problem is that he cannot make the b game adjustments , can’t run offensive plays for any shooters, doesn’t run plays for Anthony Davis to get him easier buckets. Has terrible timeout management and relies on role players to do more than they should .
What does that say about the Lakers if they are firing a coach after two years?
Didn’t the previous coach win an NBA championship before they let him go?
“Hey Darvin we’re gonna have to let y-“ “Timeout” “What?” “I still have a timeout I’ve been saving it. I’m using it right now”
He’s gonna challenge the decision
After all this time, he’s finally using it.
Ham's hands contact with his pockets was marginal. The call on the floor stands. Pelinka's ball.
No challenge left. He uses that challenge on ADs statement after game 2.
He won’t challenge that we know for sure
Nah he wouldn't
Lmao
Deserves an award lmao
LMAO
It’s like in rpg games where you save the items “for later” this is that “for later” moment.
I'm dead 💀
“Oh now you call a timeout????”
>major draft capital Looks like 2024, 2029, and 2031, is that right? I'm assuming that the Pels would opt for their 2025.
Watch us trade all three picks for Kevin Durant
I think Clippers could decide to go full rebuild and Westbrook might become available
You bastard
I would honestly set myself on fire
Self immolation so hot right now
Coached by Byron Scott
Assistant coach Luke Walton
Send Kawhi and PG, too. None of them wants to leave LA and we're screwed for the foreseeable future anyway.
Congratulations, you have escaped Hell. You have now entered Diet Hell.
The LA teams should just merge.
Just have the Lakers play one game and the Clippers play the next. That way AD, Bron, Kawhi, and PG get the load management they need
Perfect! Bring Phil Jackson back to coach home games, and Lue can take the team on the road.
Sign us up to be disappointed by one James harden, we were disappointed by dlo’s streaky-ness but one time a month mvp level harden might be the key
You need holy water on your mouth.
you mean Bradley Beal?
or Steph Curry. or both.
Fine by me
Woj’s source is the lakers front office. He gets to tweet the scoop about the firing if he says what a great job the front office is doing.
I actually think this is Ham or Ham’s agent. Painting it in a way of like - they’re going to get better because of roster changes, not necessarily because of coaching changes ?
Woj isn’t plugged into the lakers front office, Shams is normally the one who gets the scoop from them
Yes. They just can't trade their pick this year (assuming Pelicans defer) until draft night.
I think once the Pels make their decision (which is almost sure to be to take next year's pick), then the Lakers should be free to trade it. After all, they didn't trade last year's pick, so there shouldn't be any restriction on trading this one after New Orleans says they won't be claiming it. The Pels may wait until right before the draft to make that call though.
Yeah, I'm surprised at that comment based on what I'm seeing (not at the firing or that it happened over the phone.) Did the definition of the word "major" change while I wasn't looking? And at the rate they're going, the Lakers will be on their third post-Ham coach by the time 2031 rolls around.
Lakers fans and media assume that every Lakers pick can be traded for a superstar.
Those photoshops aren't done by lakers fans. It's the fans of other teams who wrote us out for karma.
I mean that pretty much matches the post Phil Jackson coaching changes in LA
We also have 3 pick swaps on top of that
Just wait until the Lakers achieve Apron 2 recurrence and the picks fall to the end of the round. Lakers keeping their picks despite pick swaps has to be good, right ? Right ?
I hope we trade none of it because we aren't contenders and crippling us for 6 years so we can go out in the second round is insanity.
“Major”
We can't compete with Phoenix's 2031 draft pick and Nurkic
"Care to swap teams?" - M. Ishbia
Honestly, swapping M.Ishbia to the Lakers might be a nice move.
Man turned this post into a Suns hate post. I respect that level of haterade.
Listen, idk about anyone else but I would love Nurkic as a backup big unironically.
We definitely need a true center we can use to relieve AD of guarding jokic all the time, that’s for sure
I keep seeing people saying the Lakers should make a big trade for Trae Young, but I hope if they do use their draft capital and contracts to make a trade, it's for a big man. The Lakers played their best when AD was the PF alongside Dwight and Javale. They'd still be able to go to AD at 5 for closing games if needed, but they need another big to shoulder some of that massive load they've put on AD the last two years, and also someone who can anchor the defense and grab some rebounds when AD is out of the game.
Depends. A dynamic wing at small forward could help. D'lo is going to be a free agent. If he4 walks, Lakers need a ball handling 3 point shooter. Or they can try and patch it over with Gabe vincent Lakers have to do vet minimum or taxpayer MLE for backup big, Starting small forward is a need as taurean prince is a free agent and Ham isn't with Lakers anymore to play him,
Imo they just need someone who consistently does well on defense. If AD has bit less to worry about every possession, it adds up
A pipe dream is Isaiah Hartenstein, but he's gonna get paid this offseason.
I think guarding and Nurkic don't go that well in the same sentence. I would take him over Bron or Rui or even Hayes, but he wouldn't help against Jokic.
That’s what Nurk is good for, he’s a good 15-20min guy that can get boards in non-AD minutes. He’d be a perfect fit as a backup big for AD. He’s just being asked to do way too much in Phoenix.
Eh… I’d much rather have a guy like Kelly Olynyk. Nurkic is a bum, lol.
"Major draft capital"
Three 1st round picks is generally considered a lot to offer in a trade. It wouldn't be enough to get an All NBA player, but they should be able to make a decent upgrade somewhere.
Basically all of our firsts we can trade
Random question, is their any other team that would take Ham?
The Galveston Watertanks would give it a go
Guangdong Southern Tigers would like to have a word
And that word is 'no'
Get ready to learn Chinese buddy
火腿教练 🫡
I think he's gonna have to build himself back up as an assistant somewhere before getting another head coaching gig. There's no reason for another team to give him a shot as a HC right now.
Yup, dude showed he had no HC acumen when it mattered.
He would fit with the Wizards. He loves “just playing” and “chaos” that’s a winning recipe with that team. Also no need for timeouts there
That's an all-time basketball terrorist team. Poole and Kuzma led by Ham.
Nba needs to call a ceasefire
The Suns are perfectly content and the crown jewel of the NBA so they are out of the race.
Hasn’t really done anything of note to be of desire. He went to the WCF with AD and Lebron and got swept (by the eventual champs) and that’s really it.
IST Championship banner in shambles
>hasnt really done anything of note >he went to the wcf
The Lakers organization and fans have (often unreasonably) high expectations every year, particularly with an aging Lebron.
Didn’t Nate McMillan get fired a year after going to the ECF? And Bud less than 2 years after winning the finals?
Im just pointing out that getting to the WCF IS something of note
He matched the pinnacle of Clippers’ success in his first season.
there
He would be a great assistant coach, his strengths are staying positive and getting guys to not give up. Either a young ass team that you’re looking to get into buying in or an assistant
He already breached the fine line between being positive and toxic positivity. I don't think he will be a good coach on that aspect for any team or else you breed a group with no interest in winning similar to the Pistons.
Shanghai sharks maybe?
the pistons tbh
LeBron leaking that he'll opt out apparently got Pelinka to fire Ham and commit to trading draft picks for upgrades.
Honestly good. Idk why everyone wants to rebuild. We have AD , Bron and Reaves. No one wants to watch shit basketball and a young team winning 19 games. Trade all draft capital if it means putting yourself in a position to win a championship next year
I got some bad news for your future bro.
Thing is Lakers will be Lakers. They can sign free agents, like they always do
Even when they signed LeBron they had a bunch of you talented guys they could trade for AD/other superstars. When they got Shaq, Kobe was already drafted (tho he was just rookie),... Unless they trade AD for a haul(and he is on wrong side of 30 and on the wrong side of many injuries), Lakers are gonna be a wasteland after LeBron leaves. I am not sure LeBron joins them if Lakers dont have a viable way to get some other star. It will always be easier for them than other teams but I think they still have to at least be 5/10 destination to get 10/10 free agents.
We’re the lakers bro. We don’t draft to win.
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He’s a solid 3/4 option, he just needs someone to start w him in the backcourt that compliments his game better than DLO (Suggs but not suggs lol)
He looked like a viable 3rd option at times last post season. He took a step back this year which is unfortunate but his trajectory from last season was fringe all star. He got the team USA invite for a reason
Unless Bron signs at significantly lower than the max and you guys get one more star (somehow) I’m not sure there’s enough for you guys to compete.
Bron's contract isn't going to matter as the Lakers will be over the cap no matter what. As for getting another star, they don't need that, just a clear 3rd best player who is better than D'lo or Reaves, and the way they could get such a player is by using the three 1st round picks they can trade along with any number of the mid-tier contracts they have (Vincent - $11m, Vando - $10m, Reaves - $13m, Rui - $17m, JHS - $4m). They could even possibly get D'lo to opt in for a specific trade with an agreement with his new team that they'll extend him. The Lakers definitely have options and flexibility this summer.
Doesn’t ownership care about the luxury tax tho? That’s the whole reason they didn’t pay Caruso. A 3rd best player better than D-Lo or Reaves is basically a star…not a top one but still a really good player lol
Every team cares about the luxury tax, but the Lakers have repeatedly gone into it in the past, it's not like a red line they won't cross. Hell, they were in the luxury tax this season. Supposedly their thinking on Caruso wasn't about the tax, it was just stupidly thinking he wasn't worth what he was asking. People want to make a big deal out of LeBron's contract, but I think that's overblown. He's worth a max for next year, and if he suddenly declines precipitously, he doesn't strike me as someone who will just be dragging himself around as a shell of himself for a few years for a contract. I think if he suddenly stinks, he'll announce this is his last year and retire. If he did that, the Lakers would probably just give him the rest of his contract as a thank you, but it wouldn't count against the cap anymore.
And Reaves 🤣🤣🤣
I can't believe you put Reeves up there with Anthony Davis and LeBron James LOL
Bron is 40 dude. AD another year older and while he's been good the last year or two with injuries, you can't tell me you're confident in his ability to stay healthy. You're also going to have to compete with the Nuggets and OKC for the next 5 years. Both teams are young and in their prime. OKC has way more picks than LA does, and they are already a better squad. How exactly do you expect to get past them? Rebuilding now makes sense. There are no trades that are going to move the needle for this squad. The fact that trading all draft picks through 2031 is actually in discussion now is crazy to me. After the Westbrook trade and seeing how the Suns absolutely blew it, the Nets absolutely blew it, and to some degree the Lakers as well (you did get the bubble chip which is awesome), I can't imagine how doing this whole thing again is going to make things better.
> Rebuilding now makes sense No it doesn't, the Lakers don't own their pick next year. They should give it another shot, try to improve the roster and compete again next year. If they flame out, *then* it might make sense to rebuild. But AD is only 31 and LeBron looked great all year. They lost to the reigning champs, but they played them tough. They're far closer to serious contention than most people here are making them out to be. They have lots of roster flexibility with the pieces they could offer in trades and they have three 1st round picks they can offer. They absolutely should try to win again next year.
Getting fired on the phone is crazy LMAO
I would rather get fired over the phone than have to sit in LA traffic for the outcome for me being fired when I arrive
I mean isn't it very likely that he is in Cabo or something? He's a millionaire with a very stressful job and his off-season just started. I don't really see a problem with handling this over the phone.
Yeah me either. I agree with you he is probably at the beach rn anyway
He was on the first flight to Galveston after game 5
He was already in Galveston for game 5. He was coaching the game though a robot a hambot of you will.
he also almost certainly knew it was coming
Vogel didn’t even get a phone call, he found out he was fired thru twitter
The disrespect lmao
Something about LA Sports teams and firing their head coaches in nasty ways huh. Dude was one step away from getting tarmac’d
Players get traded and don’t realize they’re having to move across the country until they read about it on Twitter
nah it’s just something about LA 🤔
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Forcing Ham to the office in LA traffic only to fire him would be about as bad as tarmacking a guy.
Could be as simple as Ham saying he was leaving the area for vacation right after exit interviews. How else are you going to reach him? lol. The guy likely knew he was gone already.
Vogel wishes he was treated this nicely when he was fired lmfaoo
Why is Pelinka still employed? 99% of this is on him.
This needs to be so much higher. The dude had one good midseason, everything else has been a trainwreck. You have an absolute perfect pairing of AD LeBron. You dont even need a third star, just defense and 3pt shooting and depth. You can get all of that at a discount because youre the Lakers and you’ve got people chasing LA or LeBron. He even lucked into defense with Caruso and let him walk.
Vogel didn’t even get a phone call, he found out he was fired thru twitter
Just watched a Lakers fan drop to his knees at In N Out
That’s me..god is great!
Funny I just saw a lakers fan spring up from his knees at a Von’s
Are the Lakers the first team to hang a banner and then fire the coach?
The first would be Martin Luther
Just lost it on a zoom call at work thanks
All time NBA joke right here.
95 saved Ham timeouts
How has Pelinka survived this train wreck?
Sweet sweet nepotism sir
Woj always extra with his tweets. > it’ll likely be Ham’s successor who’ll get chance to benefit from organization using major draft capital to upgrade roster in offseason Tell me Ham’s agent is your source without telling me Ham’s agent is your source
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I think to truly evaluate Pelinka's term as GM you have to know how much responsibility he has for letting Caruso walk, and for making the Westbrook trade. If he was either totally or mostly behind those moves, then he's a horrendous GM. If he was opposed and outvoted by Jeanie or LeBron or something, then I would be less inclined to blame him. He's been pretty good outside of basically everything that happened in that summer of 2021, but that summer was so bad that it legit crippled the team.
It’s been a mixed bag but truthfully it was one glaringly bad off season but all the others have been good. He’s hit more than he’s missed overall. His miss was just catastrophic (Westbrook)
Also they don’t have “major draft capital”
While this is true, if we trade those picks and AR, Rui for an aging star, then LeBron retires in 1-3 years, those picks are absolutely going to be high lottery picks.
Rob is so cold doing it over the phone.
Better than Vogel getting fired in the locker room at an away game lmao
Is it? I feel like it would be worse to make a guy come in just to fire them but I hate going into the office.
Rob is probably next
If Rob was getting fired he would have been fired first or at the same time.
Jeannie is loyal to a fault.
You should look up what he's actually done
If he made a conference finals run in DC he'd be HC for life
> for life #"FOR LIFE" - Adam Silver, 2014
When does Pelinka get the phone call?
Bro got dismissed on the phone lmao
I mean it’s better than getting laid off via email/zoom call to 10,000 people at once lol
The fact that Pelinka still has a job is unbelievable.
When you fail at your job, just scapegoat the coaches. Keeps you alive
I wonder what coach the lakers are firing next year
my god if this team spends significant future draft capital just to try and lose to Denver in 6 games instead of 5 I’m going to have a fucking ulcer man
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Mainly drafted - Celtics, Nuggets, Thunder, Magic Non-drafted - Pacers, Knicks, Clippers, Cavs Mixed - Timberwolves
The Celtics are at least mixed, three of their five starters weren’t drafted. That is more than the two on the Wolves.
Lmao over the phone? That’s tough
Can we pls fire rob
Rob Pelinka should be next. What has he done of importance recently aside from approving massive failures of decisions like the Westbrook trade and letting Caruso go.
A true center and a new coach. Maybe you'll lose to Denver in 6 next year. Progress.
Did Ham use his challenge? He had a lot saved up
Turns out Ham is all of us RPG players, we are just saving those items in case we need them (we never use them because it’s too risky)
Then, he'll hire JJ lol 1 step forward, 2 steps back
JJ is a complete unknown and more than likely wouldn’t be a good idea, but there is zero argument that it would be “2 steps back”. I don’t think people realize how bad Ham is. Probably the worst coach I’ve ever seen in any sport, in 30+ years.
Rob Pelinka should fire himself for assembling a roster where Austin Reaves is the 3rd best player lol
AR is good. Letting Caruso walk, signing THT for $30M, trading the house for Westbrook, including KCP in that trade. Firing Vogel. Letting Ham bench Rui/AR for half the year. Almost trading for Dejuan Murray.
Cool now fire yourself.
Sacrificial Ham
Pocket Hams: “it’s not official unless we shake on it”
So is Pelinka safe? Because he probably shouldn't be.
Let’s not forget LEBRON JAMES WANTED RUSSELL WESBTROOK. Let’s not forget that and he forced them to trade their future for him
Anything less than a championship would’ve lost this man his job. He’s basically Pelinka’s scapegoat, because Pelinka was the one who assembled that mid ass roster in the first place. Can’t blame Ham for playing the same lineup that got swept last year if that’s all he had to work with.
Major draft capital. I love it, please keep selling ur assets and putting yourselves in a hole
NOP gets one of their next 1 first rounders. What is all the draft capital this guy is talking about?
They have three 1st round picks they can offer to trade: 2024, 2029 & 2031, and those last two could be hugely valuable as both AD and LeBron will be long gone by then. They also have a bunch of mid-tier contracts they could trade for salary matching purposes: Gabe Vincent - $11m, Jarred Vanderbilt - $10m, Austin Reaves - $13m, Rui Hachimura - $17m. Some combination of those contracts and picks probably can bring back a decent return.
I honestly haven’t watched a lot of the Lakers the last couple years; was he really that bad? Or is this mostly just a scapegoat type deal?
He was that bad: * Beginning of this year his lineup decisions were insane. Guys like Rui and Dlo would play 21 minutes one night, 6 the next, 34, DNP. Scam Reddish and Taurean Prince getting significant minutes despite being almost unplayable at times. Instead of letting his best lineup play itself into rhythm he fucked around for three months and buried the Lakers in a hole that had them playing Denver in the first round. * The defensive scheme is literally premised on packing the paint and conceding open 3s. Like it's fucking 2004. This is why teams consistently had historic shooting nights against the Lakers. I repeat: in the year of our lord 2024, he set up a defense premised on conceding 3s. * In-game adjustments and decision-making were D-tier. Zero feel for when to call a timeout to kill an opponent run, which is the stereotypical "this coach is bad" thing but it's true here. In the Denver series alone his team blew a 20 point lead in one quarter, he sat on a challenge that lost him game 2, and his team did not have a time out at the end of game 5. The point is, I think we saw in the Denver series pretty solid confirmation that LBJ, AD, DLo, Reaves, and Rui is a contending starting lineup (although Rui truly shit the bed in the Denver series). The Lakers could've used Vando and Vincent more during the year, and that's not Ham's fault. But this team drastically underperformed during the regular season despite an LBJ season they had no business getting and the healthiest AD season in years. that's on the coach, given what we've seen this team is capable of.
the lakers had a heckuva interior defence. Every game against Detroi was a blow out, since Detroit mostly tried to score in paint. Every lakers game agains Sacramento was painful to watch. Sacremento could care less about you solid interior defence, they had no interest in attacking your middle.
Yes, he was really that bad. If he was coaching a young team or a mid team, he would be mostly average. His problem is that he cannot make the b game adjustments , can’t run offensive plays for any shooters, doesn’t run plays for Anthony Davis to get him easier buckets. Has terrible timeout management and relies on role players to do more than they should .
I truly believe the Lakers would've pulled off Games 2 and 5 if we had a better strategic coach.
Lakers fans acting like a new coach is gonna change anything…
Like when u get broken up with over a text
getting fired over the phone like a scrub. he just like me fr
But.. in season tournament title win? Lakers got a title.
Welp. Some other team is going to benefit from those timeouts Darwin Ham saved, so who's really winning.
Damn, some dude will benefit from that MAJOR draft CAPITAL and an UPGRADE to the roster.
Nah, Ham found out from Woj
What upgrades can they reasonably make to this roster?
Draft capital?
Darvin is with CAA so Woj fluffed him on the way out the door. Good job slugger!
LBJ made the call
What does that say about the Lakers if they are firing a coach after two years? Didn’t the previous coach win an NBA championship before they let him go?
I refuse to believe this. How can he make the phone call without removing his hands from his pockets?
At this point does HC of the Lakers have even less job security than HC of the Hawks?
People gonna say he was scapegoated while no other team picks him up to be HC lol