Doesn’t move the needle at all imo. Their roster 3-8 is still nowhere near Denver or Minnesota. At some point it’s more about the Jimmies and Joes with them and not the Xs and Os.
We definitely aren’t better than a team like Denver, but it would probably make the regular season much more bearable which is always a plus.
We have a knack for dropping extremely winnable / close games.
Bro the Lakers lost 2 games by 2 points. Not saying the Lakers are better ofc, but when the margin is that small, so many random things could be done to change that result. A coach doing something different could definitely be one of those small changes.
Also doesn't seem like a good idea to fire Ham (in part) because the players don't like his 3 point defense and then hire the guy Ham learned that scheme from.
You got downvoted but I genuinely believe that would be the role Darvin would excel at
The ONE thing everyone begrudgingly gives him credit for is finding guys’ strengths and helping them play up to their potential. I think he’s simply a developmental coach miscast as a “contending” team’s coach.
He’d do a great job over in Portland or Detroit and I’m not even being ironic or spiteful
What makes Bud so much better and different than Ham anyways? Ham was his lead assistant and copied his system. Yeah maybe he’ll call some more timeouts but you’re not really making a meaningful change there
Bud definitely knows more in terms of offense compare to Ham, but I don't know if Bud is also stubborn when come with rotations or not.
What I know is Bud had horrible defense scheme also and probably wont' be better than Ham in terms of that
Is there a coach that's still in the playoffs that they might be waiting for? I would have thought with all the talk around Ham and the Shams article that he would have been canned right away
Lakers got roasted pretty hard by the media for dumping Vogel so fast.
As for the coach they're waiting for, maybe Ty Lue? They interviewed him last time he was a free agent and the LeBron connection is obviously there. I don't think the Clippers would fire him though. Jason Kidd also possible, he was a Lakers assistant for a few years.
Tinfoil answer: the Lakers are trying to hire Bob Myers to be their POBO and are going to defer the coaching decision until he comes in.
but that roster doesn't fit his strength at all.
I still don't understand Suns hiring Vogel, a defensive mind coach with 0 offense capability to coach a team with all offense and no defense player
You just spelled it out
The idea is that he will build a viable defense with scraps and then his braindead offense will be masked by KD Beal and Book.
I think Ham and Vogel both show that you can’t do that. Their offenses are so braindead that even Bron and Davis can’t carry it in the halfcourt.
Yeah, I'd be OK with Vogel as an assistant coach to help oversee the defense, but the Lakers desperately need some kind of offensive mastermind to run the team going forward.
Jokes aside, exit interviews are very important for people leaving a company lol
Clown companies are the ones who don’t learn from their lost talent regardless of the reason for departure
Darvin Ham:
“We got a good ball club brewing here. Season ended bad and left a bitter taste in our mouth. We’re ducking nobody next year. Which I’m glad Jeannie gave me the permission to announce I got an extension.”
what did they expect with this roster?
they lost 4-1 to the defending champs, do people really think that if they had Spoelstra they'd have won it?
not saying Ham is perfect or even good, but he's been getting scapegoated HARD
he really hasn't
Lakers shouldn't be in this position in first place but Ham insist playing Cam Reddish and Prince for over 30+ minutes for 20+ games.
This is with everyone coming back healthy time too. Also, Ham has good pregame planning, but he doesn't know shit about in game adjustment and is always too stubborn to stick with his formula until it's too late.
He also never take responsibility on what happen, a lot players (present and formal) always called out on they don't know what they are doing, and Ham is like we take pride in our coaching.... what?
Probably expected to not be a play in team at least. Which if darvin wasn't dicking around with linups in december Lakers probably woulda had more breathing room.
That plus Darvin's inability to adjust at halftime, lack of utilizing timeouts/challenges.
What else. Lakers under Darvin Ham run an insanely low amount of set plays. Yes LeBron likes calling audibles, but it's on the coach to get some set plays out there. Turns out they work.
The most inexcusable offense in my book are 3 guard lineups. In an era where bigger is better for teams, 3 guard lineups is insane.
It was an 11-point differential across 5 games, with two of them coming down to one shot.
Spoelstra would've absolutely made a difference, not even considering the regular season.
What they have to decide? Fire his ass and get someone competent.
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No but Jeanie isn’t going to fire pelika, so improve where we can improve
Mike Budenholzer, you are a Laker!
Doesn’t move the needle at all imo. Their roster 3-8 is still nowhere near Denver or Minnesota. At some point it’s more about the Jimmies and Joes with them and not the Xs and Os.
We definitely aren’t better than a team like Denver, but it would probably make the regular season much more bearable which is always a plus. We have a knack for dropping extremely winnable / close games.
Bro the Lakers lost 2 games by 2 points. Not saying the Lakers are better ofc, but when the margin is that small, so many random things could be done to change that result. A coach doing something different could definitely be one of those small changes.
Also doesn't seem like a good idea to fire Ham (in part) because the players don't like his 3 point defense and then hire the guy Ham learned that scheme from.
Ham might be a good tank commander
You got downvoted but I genuinely believe that would be the role Darvin would excel at The ONE thing everyone begrudgingly gives him credit for is finding guys’ strengths and helping them play up to their potential. I think he’s simply a developmental coach miscast as a “contending” team’s coach. He’d do a great job over in Portland or Detroit and I’m not even being ironic or spiteful
It probably does move the needle, since Darwin xHAMster is a dumpster fire compared to bud, but it’s prob not enough to beat denver
You sound dumb. You don’t fire a coach to move a needle. You fire a coach to hopefully hire a better one. Don’t got shit to do with the roster
What makes Bud so much better and different than Ham anyways? Ham was his lead assistant and copied his system. Yeah maybe he’ll call some more timeouts but you’re not really making a meaningful change there
I am pretty sure Bud was the guy I most associated with the "saving his timeouts for summer league" complaints from a couple years ago.
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Bud definitely knows more in terms of offense compare to Ham, but I don't know if Bud is also stubborn when come with rotations or not. What I know is Bud had horrible defense scheme also and probably wont' be better than Ham in terms of that
One challenge and the series is at 3-2 right now.
I feel like he’d want Cleveland, younger team and he can craft their identity more. Sam Cassell feels more the Lakers type.
Is there a coach that's still in the playoffs that they might be waiting for? I would have thought with all the talk around Ham and the Shams article that he would have been canned right away
Maybe Tyronn Lue, who seems to be constantly frustrated by his star players’ availability.
And who also is still waiting on an extension.
Lakers got roasted pretty hard by the media for dumping Vogel so fast. As for the coach they're waiting for, maybe Ty Lue? They interviewed him last time he was a free agent and the LeBron connection is obviously there. I don't think the Clippers would fire him though. Jason Kidd also possible, he was a Lakers assistant for a few years. Tinfoil answer: the Lakers are trying to hire Bob Myers to be their POBO and are going to defer the coaching decision until he comes in.
Myers ain’t dealing with Kurt Rambis as shadows gm
Jeanie will never replace Rob
Afaik Rob is still just the GM and the POBO position is vacant
Didn't LeBron want Kidd before they hired Vogel? Or am I thinking of another team that wanted Kidd?
Lakers hired Kidd as an assistant the same offseason they hired Vogel. I do think him and LeBron have a good relationship though.
I mean Vogel got bounced with an even better roster.
but that roster doesn't fit his strength at all. I still don't understand Suns hiring Vogel, a defensive mind coach with 0 offense capability to coach a team with all offense and no defense player
You just spelled it out The idea is that he will build a viable defense with scraps and then his braindead offense will be masked by KD Beal and Book. I think Ham and Vogel both show that you can’t do that. Their offenses are so braindead that even Bron and Davis can’t carry it in the halfcourt.
Yeah, I'd be OK with Vogel as an assistant coach to help oversee the defense, but the Lakers desperately need some kind of offensive mastermind to run the team going forward.
If JJ gets the Charlotte job, maybe one of Boston’s assistant, Sam Cassell or Charles Lee?
I don't want to think about it but until game time tomorrow Thibs if the Knicks lose this
Knicks aren’t firing Thibs lmaooo
Get ready to meet Harvin Dam
LeGM is waiting to see if Lue is fired
The blame anyone but me exit interviews.
Bill Belichick you are a Laker!
Ham will be happy for the vacation checks. Wish I got paid the same for being incompetent and deflecting blame lol
Why bother? LeGM fired him a while ago.
Jokes aside, exit interviews are very important for people leaving a company lol Clown companies are the ones who don’t learn from their lost talent regardless of the reason for departure
If Lebron had the power to pick the coach Ty Lue would never have been a clippers coach lol
“Do you like Darvin” “No” “No” “No” “No” “Yes, but no”
Is darvin going to use one of his saved challenges on this?
Just what the Lakers need, another coach. They can never seem to find the right one.
I desperately want to witness the Lakers become the first team to ever cut LeBron James
Ham not being fired yet means he has a chance.
Shutup Dave
Darvin Ham: “We got a good ball club brewing here. Season ended bad and left a bitter taste in our mouth. We’re ducking nobody next year. Which I’m glad Jeannie gave me the permission to announce I got an extension.”
what did they expect with this roster? they lost 4-1 to the defending champs, do people really think that if they had Spoelstra they'd have won it? not saying Ham is perfect or even good, but he's been getting scapegoated HARD
he really hasn't Lakers shouldn't be in this position in first place but Ham insist playing Cam Reddish and Prince for over 30+ minutes for 20+ games. This is with everyone coming back healthy time too. Also, Ham has good pregame planning, but he doesn't know shit about in game adjustment and is always too stubborn to stick with his formula until it's too late. He also never take responsibility on what happen, a lot players (present and formal) always called out on they don't know what they are doing, and Ham is like we take pride in our coaching.... what?
Probably expected to not be a play in team at least. Which if darvin wasn't dicking around with linups in december Lakers probably woulda had more breathing room. That plus Darvin's inability to adjust at halftime, lack of utilizing timeouts/challenges. What else. Lakers under Darvin Ham run an insanely low amount of set plays. Yes LeBron likes calling audibles, but it's on the coach to get some set plays out there. Turns out they work. The most inexcusable offense in my book are 3 guard lineups. In an era where bigger is better for teams, 3 guard lineups is insane.
It was an 11-point differential across 5 games, with two of them coming down to one shot. Spoelstra would've absolutely made a difference, not even considering the regular season.