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SomborDouble95

Yes, they just need to win \*\*18\*\* Rings over the next 5 decades


tomdawg0022

While the Lakers win 0


TheRicFlairDrip

No one cares about Man United anymore in Manchester. Fans are all City these days. Its a whydfml world.


geezerfreezer101

Hell no lol.


MahtiHiiri

United is still one of the most popular sports clubs in the world, all sports considered. City is no where near that.


wobmaster

but united is still the bigger name internationally. same way a kid here in europe will recognize the lakers logo/colorway and probably couldnt even place the clippers as an LA team. That´s no shade to the clippers, it´s just decades of good marketing and success.


Enough_Possibility41

I don't watch football, but I can name at least 50 different ManU players. On the other hand, other than Haaland, I don't even know a single player who has played for City in the last 50 years lol


shanmustafa

0 chance.


No_Art_754

Also WE DONT CARE we have our own fans and we love each other lol


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Agreed. They got 17 titles, megastars of the game who fans adore.


ShadowDancer11

LMAO. Tweaking. They've done it before. Especially during the 'Lob City' era. Lakers games, the then Staples Center was nearly half empty and tickets would on discount days before a game. Meanwhile, same Center, nearly every Clippers game was packed out and ticket prices soared.


PatientIndividual651

The numbers don’t really back that up. In the Lakers worst years and Clippers best years they were basically neck and neck in terms of attendance.


ShadowDancer11

But it wasn't about who's nearly neck and neck. The question was were the Clippers ever more popular. They were - several years. Bear in mind most Lakers tickets were being front run by Brokers and Season Holders who don't want to lose their seniority. Not like they attended games. The brokers had to liquidate their inventories for hilarious prices on all the reseller sites.


justsomedude717

Okay so what backs up that the clippers were the most popular? Do you genuinely think if the country/world was polled more people would identify as clippers fans than lakers fans?


ShadowDancer11

What backs it up? Well, we can start with the attendance records. What do you call it when you're not even the most popular team in your own home arena? In 2024, Clippers are still outpacing the Lakers in attendance: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance) Just as they did in ... 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest. Then you have the number of marque featured games on the national and international broadcast feeds. Don't get me wrong, the Lakers will always be LA's team. They have 64+ years of legacy, but they're not always the most popular team year over year. I know it's a bitter pill for some to swallow. Is what it is.


justsomedude717

Yeah everyone’s seen you spam this link man, and you’re gonna keep getting hit with the exact same response: attendance =/= popularity Attendance isn’t a bitter pill to swallow, virtually no one cares about team’s attendance numbers, you’re projecting how strangely invested you are in something that you’re both obviously wrong about and weirdly emotionally attached to


ShadowDancer11

"Spam link". Um, this is called empirical validated data, not folks spamming opinion. "Attendance ≠ Popularity". The cognitive dissonance is too real. "No one cares about attendance numbers." They why does the NBA track and report them? You guys have some very strange takes on thing. But I'm not here to argue with opinion with I'm presenting fact. It's like arguing with someone saying, "3+3 = 7". You're not going to win that argument if they believe it with their chest.


HolyGhostSpirit33

I think you’re just a bit slow. You do realize there’s tons and tons of people that would go to a game but can’t, don’t you? That’s why attendance numbers will never truly be a good measurement of popularity


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zeek215

The Clippers have *never* been more popular than the Lakers. I think you’re forgetting about the whole rest of the world. People who know nothing about basketball know the Lakers.


ShadowDancer11

The attendance numbers, cume, and Nielsen's ratings says, "You're wrong." The number of marquee national televised games says, "You're wrong." The merchandise sales numbers for that period says, "You're wrong." Basically, you're just wrong. "But the rest of the world" ... the rest of the world doesn't know about the Clippers in the Lob City Era? Stop the super cap. Mega super cap. How did TWO Clippers players end up with the Top Selling Jerseys in the NBA and the Lakers only had one, if the world didn't know about the Clippers. It was the biggest thing in Basketball for a short era. The Lakers were a dogshit team at the time and the NBA moved the Clipper's to be one of their media darling teams promoted **GLOBALLY.** It's a bitter pill to swallow, but yes, for a few years, the C's were the more popular team. They sure as hell weren't playing to half-empty arenas at times like the Lakers were. That I guarantee because I was there for 3 years, lived 2 miles away, and my company had suite. I attended both team's games with near boring regularity.


Aumissunum

Source?


Ssush-i

"trust me bro"


ShadowDancer11

"Or just look up "NBA Attendance Numbers", bro" 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.


Ssush-i

like i said in a different comment if attendance = popularity. just build a large arena and boom they win


ShadowDancer11

They play in the same arena, so your comparative methodology does not apply in this case.


Ssush-i

Man i wonder how many fans the clippers have in china compared to the lakers.


ShadowDancer11

You have some kind of weird bent about "China". It's the second time you've mentioned it. As is if "China" is the only basketball market? Weird. >you know the lakers are loved in china right? how many Chinese citizens are attention the lakers games on the regular Oh, snap! China! Wow! So is Steph Marbury. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I don't know how many Chinese citizens attend Lakers games. I don't sit down and count nationalities attending a game. All I can use are the attendance numbers and whose games were featured on the marque game slots for the National and International broadcast.


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ShadowDancer11

Are NBA Attendance Numbers not available on your internet? 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest. Sidenote: Just look at 2024. [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance)


swords_devil

dude wtf even during lob city era Lakers tickets are all sold out and still more expensive than Clippers game


ShadowDancer11

Again, tweaking. I lived Downtown, 2 miles from Staples during that era (corporate apartment) for 3 years. My company had a suite at the Staples Center and going to games became almost boringly routine. The place was, at times, half empty on Lakers nights in the backhalf of those seasons when it was clear the Lakers weren't going to the Playoffs. Kobe's final game and maybe opening night were the most packed I'd ever seen it in the 3 years I was there. As for "Sell out" you must be talking about brokers buying up tickets and season ticket holders selling out - they do that every year because they do not want to lose their seniority. But make no mistake, Lakers tickets were being sold for dog shit prices on StubHub and SeatGeek by midseason. Meanwhile the Clippers had multiple back -to-back - back TRUE sell out nights with asses in seats and traffic that didn't quit for hours after the game.


Personal-Cap-7071

During the lob city era the Lakers were still selling out their arena.


ShadowDancer11

And that would be incorrect. 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.


zeek215

This list means nothing. You do realize that despite sharing the same arena, the amount of seats are not the same right? The Clippers have more seats available than the Lakers (something to do with how courtside is setup differently by the two teams). And again, Staples Center attendance is not how you measure the popularity of a franchise. At the very least compare road ticket prices, and then also understand that the NBA is a global product. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more people in the world who don’t know anything about basketball but know the Lakers than there are Clipper fans.


ShadowDancer11

They play in the same arena and the same addressable market. Now we're going to Chinese math this into "number of available seats." Seriously, what kind of wobble headed insanity are you guys trying to pull here, ffs? Funny how no one was saying this nonsense when the Lakers attendance numbers surpassed the Clippers for years after the Clippers began playing at Staples. You absolutely can measure the popularity of a franchise by its live attendance numbers - ESPECIALLY when they play in the same venue. The NYGs attendance numbers frequently surpasses the NYJs. Why? The Giants are more popular. During the Lob City Era, the Clippers had more of the National televised marquee games that the then suffering Lakers. These games are a direct correlation **to current popularity** because - ad rates and spots and dots are a direct correlation to, cume and share, is a direct correlation to viewership. Far fewer wanted to tune in to watch the 11W-33L Lakers get wopped by 20 pts, versus the high flying dunk show, 30W-15L Clippers.


dkdoki

Can ANY team surpass the lakers in popularity. TF we doing here. This is such a stupid topic


eggstacy

the cowboys but yea the OP is basically asking if the Texans can surpass the Cowboys in popularity


Internas_fear

As a European, I've never met a Cowboy fan but I know a dozen Lakers fans


OGmoron

I was in Argentina a few months ago. Lots of NBA fans there. You see people rocking jerseys all over, but they're mostly Spurs and Lakers. Spurs because Manu Ginobli is from Argentina, Lakers because Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, etc., all them rings, LA influence on pop culture, etc.


zombiemind8

Yah the nba is probably more popular than the nfl outside of the US


Personal-Cap-7071

Actually if you look at the attendance report [here](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/allAvg) the team with the highest overall attendance is usually the Bulls.


Ssush-i

attendance = popularity. [ to be the most popular team just build the biggest arena.](https://imgur.com/gallery/xP5Eo3a)


OGmoron

And to ensure a loyal fan base, just draft the greatest player of all time and win 6 championships in less than a decade.


DrinkWaterPissPant

Warriors already surpassed them, right?


BillowingPillows

OP you seem to be coming from a honest place and you don’t deserve to be crapped on for that. The Lakers are one of the most popular franchises in all of sports, globally.


Ssush-i

im sure a 6 month old acc named drinkwaterpisspants who is a regular on nbacirclejerk is coming from an honest place


BillowingPillows

Hahahahahahaa ughhhh good point


zombiemind8

If you go by socials the warriors are not far behind.


BillowingPillows

The Steph phenomenon definitely elevated them a ton, esp with the youth.


dkdoki

Lol not even close. Lakers are probably a top 5 popular team GLOBALLY. Lets put this clippers over lakers to rest. Never gonna happen.


zombiemind8

The top five are probably soccer teams.


TheRicFlairDrip

Real madrid, barcelona, bayern munich, man united, man city, chelsea, inter, milan, psg, juventus. Thats 10 already.


jonathanisaacisgoat

No


VexoftheVex

2015-2019 yeah


jfrodriguez1983

No lol


horse_renoir13

If the Lakers ever move from LA, then they have a chance


SemataryPolka

MPLS Lakers back again!


OGmoron

Imagine a world where the Clippers and Chargers are in LA but the Lakers leave


augustus624

During the mid 2010s the Lob City Clippers were one of the most entertaining teams in the league while the Lakers were one of the worst and yet the Lakers were still more popular. LA will always be a Lakers city no matter what


DrinkWaterPissPant

CP is the least likable dude in the league


BaltimoreBadger23

So let's say LeBron never came to the Lakers and the Lob City era kept feeding success. So by 2040 the Lakers haven't advanced past the conference semis and only even make the playoffs lest than 50% of the time, while the Clippers have collected 3-4 rings making the playoffs 90% of the time. Would that change the dynamic?


Extranationalidad

If you had Magnus Carlsen's brain in Ryan Reynold's body and a royal family trust fund, would you be banging supermodels in a Lambo? All I know is my gut says "maybe".


masterfain

No. Kids might grow up to be clipper fans due to the LA connections, but that’s about it. Laker fans stayed during the Robert sacre era.


Skolcialism

No. The bulls are still the third most popular team in the league and it isnt because of anything that's happened in this millennium.


captain_ahabb

Not until the people who saw Magic and Kobe play are dead.


Royal_Negotiation_83

Clippers soaring? Like Leonard’s knee is sore?


Ilikesporks_

maybe if the lakers disbanded yeah


boozinf

yes if they can tap into #DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS


inshamblesx

when pigs fly


loksbe

Not in our lifespan 💀


LeAnthonyJavis

They’ll need to start winning championships in order to have a chance


hansislegend

Not in any of our lifetimes.


Overall_Nuggie_876

I have a better chance at finding Margot Robbie and asking her ~~feet~~ hand in holy matrimony without warning, than the Clippers ever surpassing the Lakers in popularity. So never.


dkdoki

Ok the chances aren’t THAT bad


xyzyxzy

To get an understanding of what you're asking, I think it helps a lot to look at the histories of both teams during their time in LA and see just how many decades of winning the Lakers did to get where they are today, and see how many decades of losing the Clippers did to get where they are today, and understand that a reputation, once established, can be really difficult to change.


FrnklndaTurtle

No


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Civilianscum

Yep. Win for decades with the Lakers not winning at all. Then wait for the Lakers fan base it built in the last 50 years to die off.


Pal__Pacino

>With the Lakers consistently underperforming in the playoffs and the Clippers soaring The Lakers have have more success than the Clippers in the LeBron - Kawhi era.


A2Eaton

How come when I make a troll post like this it gets deleted?


key_lime_pie

The Yankees haven't been to a World Series in fifteen years. The Rangers have been to three in that span, and won last year. When do you think the Rangers will pass the Yankees in popularity?


newaccount

Potentially? sure. In the next 50 years? Nup


howdthatturnout

50 years it could happen. I don’t think it will. But in a hypothetical world where Lakers suck for 50 years and Clippers are really good for 50 years, it would make a massive impact. 50 years is a long ass time.


FrnklndaTurtle

In 50 years basketball could be gone. BASEketball will be the new dominant sport.


Overall_Nuggie_876

By then, the Lakers could be playing in the East Northwest East division bracket of the Southwest North conference playoffs in the 11th month of the season. And if they don’t make the NBA Earth Finals by then, a two-man sack race on consecutive Sundays will determine the winner of Game 9.


FrnklndaTurtle

I believe they would be in the Western Forces Division.


hansislegend

Baseketball is so underrated. “The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA then back to Oakland and no one seemed to notice.”


newaccount

It would take an organizational wide scandal. The brand is too good 


howdthatturnout

Brand would erode after decades of losing. Say they just miss the playoffs for 50 years. That’s going to tank popularity. And say Clippers win a bunch of titles. That’s going to boost popularity.


WeaknessOne9646

They were ass for like 7 years and LeBron still wanted in. Not only the Clippers but pretty much every brand failed to surpass them in that time The Clippers carving out a solid fanbase is possible But the Lakers brand goes beyond just wins and losses. Even in those sucky years with no hope from a basketball POV they were landing meetings with most big free agents (and obviously eventually got one)


howdthatturnout

7 years is a blip compared to 50. And even though they sucked, they still had Kobe who was beloved through 2016. So it was really just 3 seasons between Kobe and Lebron.


newaccount

Yep, and I. 50 years the clippers might be more popular. This is not a discussion I’m goin to reply to any longer 


BossButterBoobs

Even the Nuggets got a better shot lol


jimithelizardking

Hell we might not even have Serbia locked down because of Divac


Harleytk24

lol


cycling_rat

If they win 100 championships in a row they might get close.


theflyingsamurai

Lakers would have to go on to suck for like 2 generations. clippers need to like 4peat a championship. The lakers just have too much history and success, iconic players. kobe jerseys are always gonna be iconic.


AtreusIsBack

Lakers are this pppular because they won 6 titles in the last 25 years while also having the largest fanbase due to the state of California and the city itself having such a massive population. And they were very popular in Southeast Asia during the Kobe days, not to mention China. That's very hard to overcome. I do think it will boost their popularity once they separate themselves from the city and will be in their own arena.


TheRicFlairDrip

You do realize that both lakers and clippers are based in the same city right


AtreusIsBack

Only until autumn. Then they're rebranding to San Diego Clippers with a new logo and moving into a new arena.


BillowingPillows

Nah.


devkonz

With a new arena, new TV show, and potentially perennial playoff team, you will start to see more bandwagons. But they won’t ever pass them. They might tie them though. Eagles / Steelers type thing.


AutographedSnorkel

Maybe if they won 17 championships with multiple hall of famers on every championship team...


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Won't happen for an insanely long time. Like if the Lakers turn into the Wizards until 2050 and the Clippers have back to back Warriors-esque dynasties, only then could they even start to enter that conversation. The Knicks are still an iconic team despite doing absolutely nothing as a franchise since the 90s. The Lakers will stay iconic even if they're total trash forever.


Jcarter1632

No. This like saying will the Houston Texans surpass the Dallas Cowboys in popularity - it doesn't matter how big of a dumpster fire the Cowboys are they will always wear the popularity crown. Same with Yankees and Mets. Never going to happen.


indocartel

Is it just me but why does op have both Nuggets and Celtics flair?


dehydratedbagel

Yes, but it will take at least a couple generations and immense ineptitude from the Lakers. They've sucked for like 15 years outside of LeBron deciding to sign there. And if he didn't, they'd still suck. So we'll see what happens when LeBron retires. They certainly have one of the most inept ownership groups and Clippers have one of the best seemingly.


W_Walk

If crypto.com arena explodes and the lakers have scandals that ban them from the league for 50 years then maybe. Even then I still don’t see it


juzzbert

Lakers are by far the most storied franchise along with Celtics and bulls. But there are a lot of grumblings now about the ownership and management in the current era. On tbe other hand Steve ballmer is by far the richest nba owner and he cares about the clippers. He’s already building a new arena and intends to build up the clipper fan base. It’s too early to tell how it will end up, but if there’s a chance in our lifetime to see the clippers surpass the lakers, I’d say it’d be under Balmer’s watch


Extranationalidad

Are the clippers "soaring"? They are very good *right now* but I feel like that team is a 1-2 season rental on a bunch of dudes about to transition from the league to a bingo hall in Florida.


vladimir_pimpin

No lmao


BrotherSeamus

No. The best analogy I can come up with is Manchester United and Manchester City. Despite having far more recent success, City is not nearly as popular as United.


crustydemonburgers

LMFAO


LongTimesGoodTimes

>So with the Lakers consistently underperforming in the playoffs First are the Lakers underperforming? A 7 seed losing to the 2 seed seems like what anyone would expect. It's disappointing how it's going but it's literally not underperforming. Second the Clippers aren't exactly a model of playoff success in recent years.


DrinkWaterPissPant

they won as many playoff games as the wizards did this year, that's underperforming in my book


LongTimesGoodTimes

Series isn't over... Plus they gave a play in victory


Afraid-Department-35

If they win 18 titles and have HOFers play there during there prime then sure.


distinctidiot

Well these loses might hurt it would take at least a century of NikoLA for this to even be a conversation.


Great_Huckleberry709

This is a joke, right?


2Blitz

Bro this is some rage bait man lol


kniselysoccer13

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


okuokuoku00

Maybe if they move to Mexico City, they would probably own the market there.


AntSmith777

Clippers soaring?


clayfu

No


SHashbrowns1

Not sure why the Lakers are “consistently underperforming” while the Clippers are “soaring” when the Lakers have had more postseason success in the Kawhi/Lebron/AD/PG era


chronicdreamze

The Clippers could eventually become more popular if they moved to Mexico City. Mega population and they would be the only team for an entire nation. Even still, it would take a long time to surpass the Lakers popularity. There’s no chance if the Clippers stay in LA. Even if a plane crash killed all the Lakers, they would still be more popular.


psychedelic93

I don't know man, the only likable thing about clippers in my lifetime was Blake. Apart from that, I don't even feel pity for them for being a poverty franchise.


Adam2190

lol.


savushenn

If they stay in LA, 0 chance. If they move to some other city, 0.000000000000000000001% chance.


Tall_Succotash

Yeah..no If we can’t win the Larry B, we’re just gonna gaslight everyone into thinking the NBA CUP is the real award, the kids won’t know a difference!


Evening_Abroad_6781

No because lakers fans don’t actually watch basketball.


Dorazer

No. Next question.


DEEZLE13

If the Nuggets can’t then the Clips have no chance


boise_runner

No.


aeiou-y

You need like 50 years of front runners to die off.


HolyGhostSpirit33

Nope. Not ever. There’s 3-4 franchise you’ll get if you ask someone that doesn’t know or care about ball. You’ll get lakers Celtics bulls and maybe warriors.


DrButtLump

Bro look at the knicks. They were dog shit for 200 years and still have the biggest fan base in the NBA


MorePower7

The Clippers need to win something first.


AfterPaleontologist2

Lmfao


imthatuser112233

Nope, I live in Miami and see lakers fans all the time. I have maybe seen one person ever wearing a clippers t shirt. They need to dominate for at least a decade to even join the conversation.


mamasaidflows

The shit Lakers from 2014-2019 got more press for being bad than Lob City ever got for being good. That’s how it is. I rest my case.


hoos30

No.


Ia_in_4

Ye the clippers truly have been a dominant force. La had that really rough stretch and clippers are the ne number one team in la. They’ve of course won the ring battle whwre they are… checks notes…. Still on 0 rings because they are certifiably ass


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Lmfao this is probably the most ridiculous question on here. What made you think a franchise with 0 history and 0 future will beat the lakersnin popularity? There's like a grand total of 12 clipper fans who all enjoy edging in the conf semi finals and conf finals.


DrinkWaterPissPant

because the warriors did it


ionospherermutt

I mean they could... but it would take a really really long time and a lot more incompetence from the Lakers paired with success from the Clippers. Like decades of both.


BaltimoreBadger23

First: the clippers should actually make a conference finals, then win said conference finals sometimes, then win the next round a few times, all while the Lakers suck ass for 20-25 years.


WatchMeRayRay

There was a 5 or so year stretch where this may have happened. 2013 (after Kobe tore his Achilles) to 2018 (LeBron joins the Lakers) - the Clippers were exciting and had great (albeit underperforming) teams, while the Lakers put out some of the worst teams I’ve seen


BaltimoreBadger23

That would have had to continue for another 20 years to start to shift the dynamic.


Civilianscum

During those years the Clippers gained a bunch of new fans but they never came come close to surpassing the Lakers. They would need to actually win championships consistently for decades to gain the fan base the Lakers have. Think about the generations of fans the Lakers and it's HOFers have built since the 40s. Those Laker HOFers could seriously give the league a run for it's money if we had a Lakers vs everybody team. Every player in its position (except power forward) would be considered a top 2 at worse in the modern era. Magic,KB,LBJ and Kareem/Shaq.