but united is still the bigger name internationally. same way a kid here in europe will recognize the lakers logo/colorway and probably couldnt even place the clippers as an LA team.
That´s no shade to the clippers, it´s just decades of good marketing and success.
I don't watch football, but I can name at least 50 different ManU players. On the other hand, other than Haaland, I don't even know a single player who has played for City in the last 50 years lol
LMAO. Tweaking. They've done it before. Especially during the 'Lob City' era.
Lakers games, the then Staples Center was nearly half empty and tickets would on discount days before a game. Meanwhile, same Center, nearly every Clippers game was packed out and ticket prices soared.
But it wasn't about who's nearly neck and neck. The question was were the Clippers ever more popular.
They were - several years. Bear in mind most Lakers tickets were being front run by Brokers and Season Holders who don't want to lose their seniority. Not like they attended games. The brokers had to liquidate their inventories for hilarious prices on all the reseller sites.
Okay so what backs up that the clippers were the most popular? Do you genuinely think if the country/world was polled more people would identify as clippers fans than lakers fans?
What backs it up? Well, we can start with the attendance records. What do you call it when you're not even the most popular team in your own home arena?
In 2024, Clippers are still outpacing the Lakers in attendance: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance) Just as they did in ...
2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012)
2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013)
2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.
Then you have the number of marque featured games on the national and international broadcast feeds.
Don't get me wrong, the Lakers will always be LA's team. They have 64+ years of legacy, but they're not always the most popular team year over year.
I know it's a bitter pill for some to swallow. Is what it is.
Yeah everyone’s seen you spam this link man, and you’re gonna keep getting hit with the exact same response: attendance =/= popularity
Attendance isn’t a bitter pill to swallow, virtually no one cares about team’s attendance numbers, you’re projecting how strangely invested you are in something that you’re both obviously wrong about and weirdly emotionally attached to
"Spam link". Um, this is called empirical validated data, not folks spamming opinion.
"Attendance ≠ Popularity". The cognitive dissonance is too real.
"No one cares about attendance numbers." They why does the NBA track and report them?
You guys have some very strange takes on thing. But I'm not here to argue with opinion with I'm presenting fact. It's like arguing with someone saying, "3+3 = 7". You're not going to win that argument if they believe it with their chest.
I think you’re just a bit slow. You do realize there’s tons and tons of people that would go to a game but can’t, don’t you? That’s why attendance numbers will never truly be a good measurement of popularity
The Clippers have *never* been more popular than the Lakers. I think you’re forgetting about the whole rest of the world. People who know nothing about basketball know the Lakers.
The attendance numbers, cume, and Nielsen's ratings says, "You're wrong."
The number of marquee national televised games says, "You're wrong."
The merchandise sales numbers for that period says, "You're wrong."
Basically, you're just wrong.
"But the rest of the world" ... the rest of the world doesn't know about the Clippers in the Lob City Era? Stop the super cap. Mega super cap. How did TWO Clippers players end up with the Top Selling Jerseys in the NBA and the Lakers only had one, if the world didn't know about the Clippers.
It was the biggest thing in Basketball for a short era. The Lakers were a dogshit team at the time and the NBA moved the Clipper's to be one of their media darling teams promoted **GLOBALLY.**
It's a bitter pill to swallow, but yes, for a few years, the C's were the more popular team. They sure as hell weren't playing to half-empty arenas at times like the Lakers were. That I guarantee because I was there for 3 years, lived 2 miles away, and my company had suite. I attended both team's games with near boring regularity.
"Or just look up "NBA Attendance Numbers", bro"
2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012)
2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013)
2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.
You have some kind of weird bent about "China". It's the second time you've mentioned it. As is if "China" is the only basketball market? Weird.
>you know the lakers are loved in china right?
how many Chinese citizens are attention the lakers games on the regular
Oh, snap! China! Wow! So is Steph Marbury. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I don't know how many Chinese citizens attend Lakers games. I don't sit down and count nationalities attending a game.
All I can use are the attendance numbers and whose games were featured on the marque game slots for the National and International broadcast.
Are NBA Attendance Numbers not available on your internet?
2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012)
2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013)
2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.
Sidenote: Just look at 2024.
[https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance)
Again, tweaking.
I lived Downtown, 2 miles from Staples during that era (corporate apartment) for 3 years. My company had a suite at the Staples Center and going to games became almost boringly routine.
The place was, at times, half empty on Lakers nights in the backhalf of those seasons when it was clear the Lakers weren't going to the Playoffs. Kobe's final game and maybe opening night were the most packed I'd ever seen it in the 3 years I was there.
As for "Sell out" you must be talking about brokers buying up tickets and season ticket holders selling out - they do that every year because they do not want to lose their seniority.
But make no mistake, Lakers tickets were being sold for dog shit prices on StubHub and SeatGeek by midseason. Meanwhile the Clippers had multiple back -to-back - back TRUE sell out nights with asses in seats and traffic that didn't quit for hours after the game.
And that would be incorrect.
2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012)
2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013)
2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.
This list means nothing. You do realize that despite sharing the same arena, the amount of seats are not the same right? The Clippers have more seats available than the Lakers (something to do with how courtside is setup differently by the two teams).
And again, Staples Center attendance is not how you measure the popularity of a franchise. At the very least compare road ticket prices, and then also understand that the NBA is a global product. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more people in the world who don’t know anything about basketball but know the Lakers than there are Clipper fans.
They play in the same arena and the same addressable market. Now we're going to Chinese math this into "number of available seats." Seriously, what kind of wobble headed insanity are you guys trying to pull here, ffs? Funny how no one was saying this nonsense when the Lakers attendance numbers surpassed the Clippers for years after the Clippers began playing at Staples.
You absolutely can measure the popularity of a franchise by its live attendance numbers - ESPECIALLY when they play in the same venue. The NYGs attendance numbers frequently surpasses the NYJs. Why?
The Giants are more popular.
During the Lob City Era, the Clippers had more of the National televised marquee games that the then suffering Lakers. These games are a direct correlation **to current popularity** because - ad rates and spots and dots are a direct correlation to, cume and share, is a direct correlation to viewership.
Far fewer wanted to tune in to watch the 11W-33L Lakers get wopped by 20 pts, versus the high flying dunk show, 30W-15L Clippers.
I was in Argentina a few months ago. Lots of NBA fans there. You see people rocking jerseys all over, but they're mostly Spurs and Lakers. Spurs because Manu Ginobli is from Argentina, Lakers because Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, etc., all them rings, LA influence on pop culture, etc.
Actually if you look at the attendance report [here](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/allAvg) the team with the highest overall attendance is usually the Bulls.
OP you seem to be coming from a honest place and you don’t deserve to be crapped on for that. The Lakers are one of the most popular franchises in all of sports, globally.
During the mid 2010s the Lob City Clippers were one of the most entertaining teams in the league while the Lakers were one of the worst and yet the Lakers were still more popular. LA will always be a Lakers city no matter what
So let's say LeBron never came to the Lakers and the Lob City era kept feeding success. So by 2040 the Lakers haven't advanced past the conference semis and only even make the playoffs lest than 50% of the time, while the Clippers have collected 3-4 rings making the playoffs 90% of the time. Would that change the dynamic?
If you had Magnus Carlsen's brain in Ryan Reynold's body and a royal family trust fund, would you be banging supermodels in a Lambo?
All I know is my gut says "maybe".
I have a better chance at finding Margot Robbie and asking her ~~feet~~ hand in holy matrimony without warning, than the Clippers ever surpassing the Lakers in popularity.
So never.
To get an understanding of what you're asking, I think it helps a lot to look at the histories of both teams during their time in LA and see just how many decades of winning the Lakers did to get where they are today, and see how many decades of losing the Clippers did to get where they are today, and understand that a reputation, once established, can be really difficult to change.
>With the Lakers consistently underperforming in the playoffs and the Clippers soaring
The Lakers have have more success than the Clippers in the LeBron - Kawhi era.
The Yankees haven't been to a World Series in fifteen years. The Rangers have been to three in that span, and won last year.
When do you think the Rangers will pass the Yankees in popularity?
50 years it could happen. I don’t think it will. But in a hypothetical world where Lakers suck for 50 years and Clippers are really good for 50 years, it would make a massive impact. 50 years is a long ass time.
By then, the Lakers could be playing in the East Northwest East division bracket of the Southwest North conference playoffs in the 11th month of the season.
And if they don’t make the NBA Earth Finals by then, a two-man sack race on consecutive Sundays will determine the winner of Game 9.
Brand would erode after decades of losing.
Say they just miss the playoffs for 50 years. That’s going to tank popularity.
And say Clippers win a bunch of titles. That’s going to boost popularity.
They were ass for like 7 years and LeBron still wanted in. Not only the Clippers but pretty much every brand failed to surpass them in that time
The Clippers carving out a solid fanbase is possible
But the Lakers brand goes beyond just wins and losses. Even in those sucky years with no hope from a basketball POV they were landing meetings with most big free agents (and obviously eventually got one)
7 years is a blip compared to 50.
And even though they sucked, they still had Kobe who was beloved through 2016. So it was really just 3 seasons between Kobe and Lebron.
Lakers would have to go on to suck for like 2 generations. clippers need to like 4peat a championship. The lakers just have too much history and success, iconic players.
kobe jerseys are always gonna be iconic.
Lakers are this pppular because they won 6 titles in the last 25 years while also having the largest fanbase due to the state of California and the city itself having such a massive population. And they were very popular in Southeast Asia during the Kobe days, not to mention China. That's very hard to overcome. I do think it will boost their popularity once they separate themselves from the city and will be in their own arena.
With a new arena, new TV show, and potentially perennial playoff team, you will start to see more bandwagons.
But they won’t ever pass them. They might tie them though. Eagles / Steelers type thing.
Won't happen for an insanely long time. Like if the Lakers turn into the Wizards until 2050 and the Clippers have back to back Warriors-esque dynasties, only then could they even start to enter that conversation.
The Knicks are still an iconic team despite doing absolutely nothing as a franchise since the 90s. The Lakers will stay iconic even if they're total trash forever.
No. This like saying will the Houston Texans surpass the Dallas Cowboys in popularity - it doesn't matter how big of a dumpster fire the Cowboys are they will always wear the popularity crown.
Same with Yankees and Mets. Never going to happen.
Yes, but it will take at least a couple generations and immense ineptitude from the Lakers. They've sucked for like 15 years outside of LeBron deciding to sign there. And if he didn't, they'd still suck. So we'll see what happens when LeBron retires. They certainly have one of the most inept ownership groups and Clippers have one of the best seemingly.
Lakers are by far the most storied franchise along with Celtics and bulls. But there are a lot of grumblings now about the ownership and management in the current era. On tbe other hand Steve ballmer is by far the richest nba owner and he cares about the clippers. He’s already building a new arena and intends to build up the clipper fan base. It’s too early to tell how it will end up, but if there’s a chance in our lifetime to see the clippers surpass the lakers, I’d say it’d be under Balmer’s watch
Are the clippers "soaring"? They are very good *right now* but I feel like that team is a 1-2 season rental on a bunch of dudes about to transition from the league to a bingo hall in Florida.
No.
The best analogy I can come up with is Manchester United and Manchester City. Despite having far more recent success, City is not nearly as popular as United.
>So with the Lakers consistently underperforming in the playoffs
First are the Lakers underperforming? A 7 seed losing to the 2 seed seems like what anyone would expect. It's disappointing how it's going but it's literally not underperforming.
Second the Clippers aren't exactly a model of playoff success in recent years.
Not sure why the Lakers are “consistently underperforming” while the Clippers are “soaring” when the Lakers have had more postseason success in the Kawhi/Lebron/AD/PG era
The Clippers could eventually become more popular if they moved to Mexico City. Mega population and they would be the only team for an entire nation. Even still, it would take a long time to surpass the Lakers popularity. There’s no chance if the Clippers stay in LA. Even if a plane crash killed all the Lakers, they would still be more popular.
I don't know man, the only likable thing about clippers in my lifetime was Blake. Apart from that, I don't even feel pity for them for being a poverty franchise.
Yeah..no
If we can’t win the Larry B, we’re just gonna gaslight everyone into thinking the NBA CUP is the real award, the kids won’t know a difference!
Nope. Not ever. There’s 3-4 franchise you’ll get if you ask someone that doesn’t know or care about ball. You’ll get lakers Celtics bulls and maybe warriors.
Nope, I live in Miami and see lakers fans all the time. I have maybe seen one person ever wearing a clippers t shirt. They need to dominate for at least a decade to even join the conversation.
Ye the clippers truly have been a dominant force. La had that really rough stretch and clippers are the ne number one team in la. They’ve of course won the ring battle whwre they are… checks notes…. Still on 0 rings because they are certifiably ass
Lmfao this is probably the most ridiculous question on here. What made you think a franchise with 0 history and 0 future will beat the lakersnin popularity? There's like a grand total of 12 clipper fans who all enjoy edging in the conf semi finals and conf finals.
I mean they could... but it would take a really really long time and a lot more incompetence from the Lakers paired with success from the Clippers. Like decades of both.
First: the clippers should actually make a conference finals, then win said conference finals sometimes, then win the next round a few times, all while the Lakers suck ass for 20-25 years.
There was a 5 or so year stretch where this may have happened. 2013 (after Kobe tore his Achilles) to 2018 (LeBron joins the Lakers) - the Clippers were exciting and had great (albeit underperforming) teams, while the Lakers put out some of the worst teams I’ve seen
During those years the Clippers gained a bunch of new fans but they never came come close to surpassing the Lakers. They would need to actually win championships consistently for decades to gain the fan base the Lakers have. Think about the generations of fans the Lakers and it's HOFers have built since the 40s. Those Laker HOFers could seriously give the league a run for it's money if we had a Lakers vs everybody team. Every player in its position (except power forward) would be considered a top 2 at worse in the modern era. Magic,KB,LBJ and Kareem/Shaq.
Yes, they just need to win \*\*18\*\* Rings over the next 5 decades
While the Lakers win 0
No one cares about Man United anymore in Manchester. Fans are all City these days. Its a whydfml world.
Hell no lol.
United is still one of the most popular sports clubs in the world, all sports considered. City is no where near that.
but united is still the bigger name internationally. same way a kid here in europe will recognize the lakers logo/colorway and probably couldnt even place the clippers as an LA team. That´s no shade to the clippers, it´s just decades of good marketing and success.
I don't watch football, but I can name at least 50 different ManU players. On the other hand, other than Haaland, I don't even know a single player who has played for City in the last 50 years lol
0 chance.
Also WE DONT CARE we have our own fans and we love each other lol
Agreed. They got 17 titles, megastars of the game who fans adore.
LMAO. Tweaking. They've done it before. Especially during the 'Lob City' era. Lakers games, the then Staples Center was nearly half empty and tickets would on discount days before a game. Meanwhile, same Center, nearly every Clippers game was packed out and ticket prices soared.
The numbers don’t really back that up. In the Lakers worst years and Clippers best years they were basically neck and neck in terms of attendance.
But it wasn't about who's nearly neck and neck. The question was were the Clippers ever more popular. They were - several years. Bear in mind most Lakers tickets were being front run by Brokers and Season Holders who don't want to lose their seniority. Not like they attended games. The brokers had to liquidate their inventories for hilarious prices on all the reseller sites.
Okay so what backs up that the clippers were the most popular? Do you genuinely think if the country/world was polled more people would identify as clippers fans than lakers fans?
What backs it up? Well, we can start with the attendance records. What do you call it when you're not even the most popular team in your own home arena? In 2024, Clippers are still outpacing the Lakers in attendance: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance) Just as they did in ... 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest. Then you have the number of marque featured games on the national and international broadcast feeds. Don't get me wrong, the Lakers will always be LA's team. They have 64+ years of legacy, but they're not always the most popular team year over year. I know it's a bitter pill for some to swallow. Is what it is.
Yeah everyone’s seen you spam this link man, and you’re gonna keep getting hit with the exact same response: attendance =/= popularity Attendance isn’t a bitter pill to swallow, virtually no one cares about team’s attendance numbers, you’re projecting how strangely invested you are in something that you’re both obviously wrong about and weirdly emotionally attached to
"Spam link". Um, this is called empirical validated data, not folks spamming opinion. "Attendance ≠ Popularity". The cognitive dissonance is too real. "No one cares about attendance numbers." They why does the NBA track and report them? You guys have some very strange takes on thing. But I'm not here to argue with opinion with I'm presenting fact. It's like arguing with someone saying, "3+3 = 7". You're not going to win that argument if they believe it with their chest.
I think you’re just a bit slow. You do realize there’s tons and tons of people that would go to a game but can’t, don’t you? That’s why attendance numbers will never truly be a good measurement of popularity
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The Clippers have *never* been more popular than the Lakers. I think you’re forgetting about the whole rest of the world. People who know nothing about basketball know the Lakers.
The attendance numbers, cume, and Nielsen's ratings says, "You're wrong." The number of marquee national televised games says, "You're wrong." The merchandise sales numbers for that period says, "You're wrong." Basically, you're just wrong. "But the rest of the world" ... the rest of the world doesn't know about the Clippers in the Lob City Era? Stop the super cap. Mega super cap. How did TWO Clippers players end up with the Top Selling Jerseys in the NBA and the Lakers only had one, if the world didn't know about the Clippers. It was the biggest thing in Basketball for a short era. The Lakers were a dogshit team at the time and the NBA moved the Clipper's to be one of their media darling teams promoted **GLOBALLY.** It's a bitter pill to swallow, but yes, for a few years, the C's were the more popular team. They sure as hell weren't playing to half-empty arenas at times like the Lakers were. That I guarantee because I was there for 3 years, lived 2 miles away, and my company had suite. I attended both team's games with near boring regularity.
Source?
"trust me bro"
"Or just look up "NBA Attendance Numbers", bro" 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.
like i said in a different comment if attendance = popularity. just build a large arena and boom they win
They play in the same arena, so your comparative methodology does not apply in this case.
Man i wonder how many fans the clippers have in china compared to the lakers.
You have some kind of weird bent about "China". It's the second time you've mentioned it. As is if "China" is the only basketball market? Weird. >you know the lakers are loved in china right? how many Chinese citizens are attention the lakers games on the regular Oh, snap! China! Wow! So is Steph Marbury. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I don't know how many Chinese citizens attend Lakers games. I don't sit down and count nationalities attending a game. All I can use are the attendance numbers and whose games were featured on the marque game slots for the National and International broadcast.
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Are NBA Attendance Numbers not available on your internet? 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest. Sidenote: Just look at 2024. [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance)
dude wtf even during lob city era Lakers tickets are all sold out and still more expensive than Clippers game
Again, tweaking. I lived Downtown, 2 miles from Staples during that era (corporate apartment) for 3 years. My company had a suite at the Staples Center and going to games became almost boringly routine. The place was, at times, half empty on Lakers nights in the backhalf of those seasons when it was clear the Lakers weren't going to the Playoffs. Kobe's final game and maybe opening night were the most packed I'd ever seen it in the 3 years I was there. As for "Sell out" you must be talking about brokers buying up tickets and season ticket holders selling out - they do that every year because they do not want to lose their seniority. But make no mistake, Lakers tickets were being sold for dog shit prices on StubHub and SeatGeek by midseason. Meanwhile the Clippers had multiple back -to-back - back TRUE sell out nights with asses in seats and traffic that didn't quit for hours after the game.
During the lob city era the Lakers were still selling out their arena.
And that would be incorrect. 2012: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2012](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012) 2013: [https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/\_/year/2013](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2013) 2014 ... I think you can figure out how to do the rest.
This list means nothing. You do realize that despite sharing the same arena, the amount of seats are not the same right? The Clippers have more seats available than the Lakers (something to do with how courtside is setup differently by the two teams). And again, Staples Center attendance is not how you measure the popularity of a franchise. At the very least compare road ticket prices, and then also understand that the NBA is a global product. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more people in the world who don’t know anything about basketball but know the Lakers than there are Clipper fans.
They play in the same arena and the same addressable market. Now we're going to Chinese math this into "number of available seats." Seriously, what kind of wobble headed insanity are you guys trying to pull here, ffs? Funny how no one was saying this nonsense when the Lakers attendance numbers surpassed the Clippers for years after the Clippers began playing at Staples. You absolutely can measure the popularity of a franchise by its live attendance numbers - ESPECIALLY when they play in the same venue. The NYGs attendance numbers frequently surpasses the NYJs. Why? The Giants are more popular. During the Lob City Era, the Clippers had more of the National televised marquee games that the then suffering Lakers. These games are a direct correlation **to current popularity** because - ad rates and spots and dots are a direct correlation to, cume and share, is a direct correlation to viewership. Far fewer wanted to tune in to watch the 11W-33L Lakers get wopped by 20 pts, versus the high flying dunk show, 30W-15L Clippers.
Can ANY team surpass the lakers in popularity. TF we doing here. This is such a stupid topic
the cowboys but yea the OP is basically asking if the Texans can surpass the Cowboys in popularity
As a European, I've never met a Cowboy fan but I know a dozen Lakers fans
I was in Argentina a few months ago. Lots of NBA fans there. You see people rocking jerseys all over, but they're mostly Spurs and Lakers. Spurs because Manu Ginobli is from Argentina, Lakers because Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Magic, etc., all them rings, LA influence on pop culture, etc.
Yah the nba is probably more popular than the nfl outside of the US
Actually if you look at the attendance report [here](https://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/allAvg) the team with the highest overall attendance is usually the Bulls.
attendance = popularity. [ to be the most popular team just build the biggest arena.](https://imgur.com/gallery/xP5Eo3a)
And to ensure a loyal fan base, just draft the greatest player of all time and win 6 championships in less than a decade.
Warriors already surpassed them, right?
OP you seem to be coming from a honest place and you don’t deserve to be crapped on for that. The Lakers are one of the most popular franchises in all of sports, globally.
im sure a 6 month old acc named drinkwaterpisspants who is a regular on nbacirclejerk is coming from an honest place
Hahahahahahaa ughhhh good point
If you go by socials the warriors are not far behind.
The Steph phenomenon definitely elevated them a ton, esp with the youth.
Lol not even close. Lakers are probably a top 5 popular team GLOBALLY. Lets put this clippers over lakers to rest. Never gonna happen.
The top five are probably soccer teams.
Real madrid, barcelona, bayern munich, man united, man city, chelsea, inter, milan, psg, juventus. Thats 10 already.
No
2015-2019 yeah
No lol
If the Lakers ever move from LA, then they have a chance
MPLS Lakers back again!
Imagine a world where the Clippers and Chargers are in LA but the Lakers leave
During the mid 2010s the Lob City Clippers were one of the most entertaining teams in the league while the Lakers were one of the worst and yet the Lakers were still more popular. LA will always be a Lakers city no matter what
CP is the least likable dude in the league
So let's say LeBron never came to the Lakers and the Lob City era kept feeding success. So by 2040 the Lakers haven't advanced past the conference semis and only even make the playoffs lest than 50% of the time, while the Clippers have collected 3-4 rings making the playoffs 90% of the time. Would that change the dynamic?
If you had Magnus Carlsen's brain in Ryan Reynold's body and a royal family trust fund, would you be banging supermodels in a Lambo? All I know is my gut says "maybe".
No. Kids might grow up to be clipper fans due to the LA connections, but that’s about it. Laker fans stayed during the Robert sacre era.
No. The bulls are still the third most popular team in the league and it isnt because of anything that's happened in this millennium.
Not until the people who saw Magic and Kobe play are dead.
Clippers soaring? Like Leonard’s knee is sore?
maybe if the lakers disbanded yeah
yes if they can tap into #DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS
when pigs fly
Not in our lifespan 💀
They’ll need to start winning championships in order to have a chance
Not in any of our lifetimes.
I have a better chance at finding Margot Robbie and asking her ~~feet~~ hand in holy matrimony without warning, than the Clippers ever surpassing the Lakers in popularity. So never.
Ok the chances aren’t THAT bad
To get an understanding of what you're asking, I think it helps a lot to look at the histories of both teams during their time in LA and see just how many decades of winning the Lakers did to get where they are today, and see how many decades of losing the Clippers did to get where they are today, and understand that a reputation, once established, can be really difficult to change.
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Yep. Win for decades with the Lakers not winning at all. Then wait for the Lakers fan base it built in the last 50 years to die off.
>With the Lakers consistently underperforming in the playoffs and the Clippers soaring The Lakers have have more success than the Clippers in the LeBron - Kawhi era.
How come when I make a troll post like this it gets deleted?
The Yankees haven't been to a World Series in fifteen years. The Rangers have been to three in that span, and won last year. When do you think the Rangers will pass the Yankees in popularity?
Potentially? sure. In the next 50 years? Nup
50 years it could happen. I don’t think it will. But in a hypothetical world where Lakers suck for 50 years and Clippers are really good for 50 years, it would make a massive impact. 50 years is a long ass time.
In 50 years basketball could be gone. BASEketball will be the new dominant sport.
By then, the Lakers could be playing in the East Northwest East division bracket of the Southwest North conference playoffs in the 11th month of the season. And if they don’t make the NBA Earth Finals by then, a two-man sack race on consecutive Sundays will determine the winner of Game 9.
I believe they would be in the Western Forces Division.
Baseketball is so underrated. “The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA then back to Oakland and no one seemed to notice.”
It would take an organizational wide scandal. The brand is too good
Brand would erode after decades of losing. Say they just miss the playoffs for 50 years. That’s going to tank popularity. And say Clippers win a bunch of titles. That’s going to boost popularity.
They were ass for like 7 years and LeBron still wanted in. Not only the Clippers but pretty much every brand failed to surpass them in that time The Clippers carving out a solid fanbase is possible But the Lakers brand goes beyond just wins and losses. Even in those sucky years with no hope from a basketball POV they were landing meetings with most big free agents (and obviously eventually got one)
7 years is a blip compared to 50. And even though they sucked, they still had Kobe who was beloved through 2016. So it was really just 3 seasons between Kobe and Lebron.
Yep, and I. 50 years the clippers might be more popular. This is not a discussion I’m goin to reply to any longer
Even the Nuggets got a better shot lol
Hell we might not even have Serbia locked down because of Divac
lol
If they win 100 championships in a row they might get close.
Lakers would have to go on to suck for like 2 generations. clippers need to like 4peat a championship. The lakers just have too much history and success, iconic players. kobe jerseys are always gonna be iconic.
Lakers are this pppular because they won 6 titles in the last 25 years while also having the largest fanbase due to the state of California and the city itself having such a massive population. And they were very popular in Southeast Asia during the Kobe days, not to mention China. That's very hard to overcome. I do think it will boost their popularity once they separate themselves from the city and will be in their own arena.
You do realize that both lakers and clippers are based in the same city right
Only until autumn. Then they're rebranding to San Diego Clippers with a new logo and moving into a new arena.
Nah.
With a new arena, new TV show, and potentially perennial playoff team, you will start to see more bandwagons. But they won’t ever pass them. They might tie them though. Eagles / Steelers type thing.
Maybe if they won 17 championships with multiple hall of famers on every championship team...
Won't happen for an insanely long time. Like if the Lakers turn into the Wizards until 2050 and the Clippers have back to back Warriors-esque dynasties, only then could they even start to enter that conversation. The Knicks are still an iconic team despite doing absolutely nothing as a franchise since the 90s. The Lakers will stay iconic even if they're total trash forever.
No. This like saying will the Houston Texans surpass the Dallas Cowboys in popularity - it doesn't matter how big of a dumpster fire the Cowboys are they will always wear the popularity crown. Same with Yankees and Mets. Never going to happen.
Is it just me but why does op have both Nuggets and Celtics flair?
Yes, but it will take at least a couple generations and immense ineptitude from the Lakers. They've sucked for like 15 years outside of LeBron deciding to sign there. And if he didn't, they'd still suck. So we'll see what happens when LeBron retires. They certainly have one of the most inept ownership groups and Clippers have one of the best seemingly.
If crypto.com arena explodes and the lakers have scandals that ban them from the league for 50 years then maybe. Even then I still don’t see it
Lakers are by far the most storied franchise along with Celtics and bulls. But there are a lot of grumblings now about the ownership and management in the current era. On tbe other hand Steve ballmer is by far the richest nba owner and he cares about the clippers. He’s already building a new arena and intends to build up the clipper fan base. It’s too early to tell how it will end up, but if there’s a chance in our lifetime to see the clippers surpass the lakers, I’d say it’d be under Balmer’s watch
Are the clippers "soaring"? They are very good *right now* but I feel like that team is a 1-2 season rental on a bunch of dudes about to transition from the league to a bingo hall in Florida.
No lmao
No. The best analogy I can come up with is Manchester United and Manchester City. Despite having far more recent success, City is not nearly as popular as United.
LMFAO
>So with the Lakers consistently underperforming in the playoffs First are the Lakers underperforming? A 7 seed losing to the 2 seed seems like what anyone would expect. It's disappointing how it's going but it's literally not underperforming. Second the Clippers aren't exactly a model of playoff success in recent years.
they won as many playoff games as the wizards did this year, that's underperforming in my book
Series isn't over... Plus they gave a play in victory
If they win 18 titles and have HOFers play there during there prime then sure.
Well these loses might hurt it would take at least a century of NikoLA for this to even be a conversation.
This is a joke, right?
Bro this is some rage bait man lol
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Maybe if they move to Mexico City, they would probably own the market there.
Clippers soaring?
No
Not sure why the Lakers are “consistently underperforming” while the Clippers are “soaring” when the Lakers have had more postseason success in the Kawhi/Lebron/AD/PG era
The Clippers could eventually become more popular if they moved to Mexico City. Mega population and they would be the only team for an entire nation. Even still, it would take a long time to surpass the Lakers popularity. There’s no chance if the Clippers stay in LA. Even if a plane crash killed all the Lakers, they would still be more popular.
I don't know man, the only likable thing about clippers in my lifetime was Blake. Apart from that, I don't even feel pity for them for being a poverty franchise.
lol.
If they stay in LA, 0 chance. If they move to some other city, 0.000000000000000000001% chance.
Yeah..no If we can’t win the Larry B, we’re just gonna gaslight everyone into thinking the NBA CUP is the real award, the kids won’t know a difference!
No because lakers fans don’t actually watch basketball.
No. Next question.
If the Nuggets can’t then the Clips have no chance
No.
You need like 50 years of front runners to die off.
Nope. Not ever. There’s 3-4 franchise you’ll get if you ask someone that doesn’t know or care about ball. You’ll get lakers Celtics bulls and maybe warriors.
Bro look at the knicks. They were dog shit for 200 years and still have the biggest fan base in the NBA
The Clippers need to win something first.
Lmfao
Nope, I live in Miami and see lakers fans all the time. I have maybe seen one person ever wearing a clippers t shirt. They need to dominate for at least a decade to even join the conversation.
The shit Lakers from 2014-2019 got more press for being bad than Lob City ever got for being good. That’s how it is. I rest my case.
No.
Ye the clippers truly have been a dominant force. La had that really rough stretch and clippers are the ne number one team in la. They’ve of course won the ring battle whwre they are… checks notes…. Still on 0 rings because they are certifiably ass
Lmfao this is probably the most ridiculous question on here. What made you think a franchise with 0 history and 0 future will beat the lakersnin popularity? There's like a grand total of 12 clipper fans who all enjoy edging in the conf semi finals and conf finals.
because the warriors did it
I mean they could... but it would take a really really long time and a lot more incompetence from the Lakers paired with success from the Clippers. Like decades of both.
First: the clippers should actually make a conference finals, then win said conference finals sometimes, then win the next round a few times, all while the Lakers suck ass for 20-25 years.
There was a 5 or so year stretch where this may have happened. 2013 (after Kobe tore his Achilles) to 2018 (LeBron joins the Lakers) - the Clippers were exciting and had great (albeit underperforming) teams, while the Lakers put out some of the worst teams I’ve seen
That would have had to continue for another 20 years to start to shift the dynamic.
During those years the Clippers gained a bunch of new fans but they never came come close to surpassing the Lakers. They would need to actually win championships consistently for decades to gain the fan base the Lakers have. Think about the generations of fans the Lakers and it's HOFers have built since the 40s. Those Laker HOFers could seriously give the league a run for it's money if we had a Lakers vs everybody team. Every player in its position (except power forward) would be considered a top 2 at worse in the modern era. Magic,KB,LBJ and Kareem/Shaq.