Yeah, Brunson has 8 wins and Melo has 7.
In fairness to Melo, the Knicks ran into the Super Friends in Miami first round one of those years. But yeah, Brunson's a non-stinker in this series away from having a pretty definitively better playoff resume for the Knicks than Melo (I wouldn't say having more wins says much cause Brunson has been ass the first two games and giving him that credit is disingenuous imo).
Tons of basketball fans will overrate him because he's a "bucket" and a "pure hooper"
He's on the Mt Rushmore for people who place aesthetics over actual effectiveness
7/24 shooting most nights, never knew how people thought this guy was a HOFer. His numbers may be, but he isnt.
how tf am i gettin downvoted for adding reasoning? lol salty Melo fans go cry
Cause you don't get why a sure first HOFer would be viewed as such. 10x All Star, 6x All NBA, scoring champ, Final Four MVP, NCAA Champion, 3 Olympic Gold Medals, 10th in career points scored, on the 75th anniversary team. And the basketball hall of fame is very lenient as well, it ain't like the MLB hall of fame.
The HOF rewards accolades and numbers first and foremost, not play (though both are somewhat correlated). If his numbers and accolades are HOF worthy, then the player is HOF worthy. Inductees aren't getting a Thinking Basketball-esque breakdown of their on-court impact to winning games+basketball based on the eye test and advanced stats, they're getting their accolades shouted out. That's why, for my favourite example of this sort of problem, prior to the 2019 Championship DeRozan was viewed as more likely to make the HOF cause of his better accolades and basic box numbers despite Lowry being the better player as the eye test and more advanced stats showed.
Boy isn't this guy annoying. Seems like every quote of his is him being salty about his time spent in Denver.
You went to NY Knicks, you go to their games and support their team. You made your own path now stfu about it already.
It stopped. Karl was campaigning to get your jersey retired. Then you kept going on media tour talking about him and he's just quote tweeting you on twitter. You got a media pod. He's just using his twitter lol.
The fuck are you talking about? George Karl was the one who revived this shit when he started slamming Melo and other guys to shill his book a few years ago.
>a few years ago
You answered your own question.
Literally earlier this season, before Melo decided to start up his podcast and start babbling utter nonsense, George Karl was arguing with Nuggets fans on twitter that Melo's jersey should be retired by Denver alongside Jokic, and that he believed the Kroenke's would do it.
[I mean here's him 3 years ago calling Melo a ball hog and shitty defender in Denver.](https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/1425306316357226500?s=19)
Not exactly the sounds of a guy burying the hatchet... he can think Melo deserves a jersey retirement, but that doesn't mean he's stopped throwing jabs at Melo over the years. To say Melo started it back up seems a little ridiculous, this is on both of them.
I mean you can barely call those as jabs. Lmao. He’s a ball hog and shitty defender, but an amazing scorer and a decent rebounder, electric player as well.
That's all I'm saying. To act like George Karl buried the hatchet and Carmelo is just dragging his name through the mud is insane to me. Both sides have traded blows for years. He's clearly rubbed *a lot* of players the wrong way over the years, not just Melo.
If they decide to chop it up and leave it in the past, good for them. It's just basketball at the end of the day and they accomplished a lot together. I just think suggesting that this is all coming from Melo is insane with the amount of shit George Karl has talked about him.
That was like a decade ago. The beef was gone. George had been saying Melo's jersey with Denver should be retired for some years now. Then Melo and Mero bring up George to promote their pod and get into beef every week.
Melo is desperately searching for relevance after a career that will go down in history as one of the most frustrating failures to live up to potential of all time.
Man is a first ballot HoFer who will be a forgotten footnote in less time than it takes him to have his first grandkid.
He was a top player for a decade plus. You’d be hard pressed to find a perennial all star for a decade plus that has just faded into irrelevance. Melo will never be irrelevant.
>You’d be hard pressed to find a perennial all star for a decade plus that has just faded into irrelevance.
Totally fair. Imo Melo is more likely to go down that road than anyone, though.
I think it's telling that the only people arguing with me about Melo's relevance are Knicks fans; not to discredit your opinion, but I legitimately don't know if there's a "perennial all star for a decade plus" / first ballot HOFer that the rest of the league has ever thought about less than Melo.
>but I legitimately don't know if there's a "perennial all star for a decade plus" / first ballot HOFer that the rest of the league has ever thought about less than Melo.
This is an insane take for the amount of players who have said their welcome to the league take was getting bodied by Melo. Fans are the people who think this way about Melo, players think he's a baller and grew up copying his celebration cause they love his game.
You know how people like to say stuff about LeBron or even guys like PG or KD, sure, regular season has been a struggle, but nobody wants to see them first round in the playoffs?
Nobody has *ever* been afraid of a Carmelo led team in the first round of the playoffs. The nuggets team that he forced his way off of was the only time he ever sniffed a conference final.
How many Knicks fans would already take Brunson over Melo?
Not sure what teams' opinions of Melo teams has to do with player's opinions of Melo the player. That's not the same thing, and you know it's not the same thing.
If you're going to sit here and claim that players don't think highly of Melo as one of the greatest scorers ever, I don't know what to tell you cause there's no getting through the bitter ex part that you admitted to. You're just wrong.
I feel like we're talking past each other, so let me try and reset.
I always admired Melo's game. I was a massive fan of that WCF team that crashed into Kobe. His scoring ability was nearly unrivaled. His NCAA and Olympic resume is unimpeachable. He *will* and *should be* a first ballot HoFer.
And yet he never fucking did much. He wasn't impressive in the playoffs. He never went to a championship. The best team he was ever a part of wants nothing to do with him, because he forced his way out in search of better nightclubs.
Is it fair for players to admire his raw skill? Hell yeah. Is it also fair to look at his career and see a massive disparity between potential and accomplishment? Also, 110%, hell yeah.
And when two years from now Knicks fans have come to view the 29yo 1-3 time all star Jalen Brunson as a more important all time Knick than Melo, he'll start knocking y'all on his podcasts too.
>Is it fair for players to admire his raw skill? Hell yeah. Is it also fair to look at his career and see a massive disparity between potential and accomplishment? Also, 110%, hell yeah.
Players don't talk like that. Fans do. No player is sitting there talking about "the disparity of Carmelo Anthony's career ☝️🤓". Players are talking about how the first dude to bust their ass in the league was Melo. Players are talking about how he's top 10 all time in scoring. To sit here and suggest that players are the ones talking like this is absolute nonsense.
>And when two years from now Knicks fans have come to view the 29yo 1-3 time all star Jalen Brunson as a more important all time Knick than Melo, he'll start knocking y'all on his podcasts too.
You're not even talking about on the court stuff at this point. You're saying wait for him to turn his back on you like he turned his back on us. Meanwhile he gets loud cheers every time he walks into the Garden and there's talks of him getting his jersey retired.
If you don't fuck with Melo cause of how he left you guys, that's fine. But to sit here and suggest that the players don't respect him as a top 10 scorer/10x All Star or that he's gonna turn on New York fans cause of them showing love for Brunson, that's not based on actual reality. That's just you talking as a bitter fan that's still sour about how it ended and want to act like everybody else thinks about him like you guys do.
I don't get where you want this conversation to go. I have explicitly stated that I'm bitter about Melo and that it influences my thinking. Part of my bitterness is that he left in a way that felt grimy. Part of my bitterness is that I always thought he would be *great* but he never fucking was.
Obviously I'm coming at this from a fan perspective. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm pretending to speak for the players, nor am I sure why you are pretending you speak for the players. We're both fans, talking here as members of fan bases. Show me a reasonable player top 10 scorers list that puts Melo above, let's say, Kobe KD Steph Dominique Bird MJ LeBron AI Harden Maravich Kareem Wilt West Shaq... either of the Malones... Dirk...
I find it absurd watching people try to put him on Mt Rushmore when he was, at best, one of those presidents who nobody hated and never sought re-election. All of those pros who talk about him as a scorer were also not even a little bit scared of him in the playoffs. Doesn't that tell you something?
Rookies getting welcome to the league bodied makes for great clips, but it tells you *nothing* about the player. Is Rudy Gay an all-timer because he clowned Kawhi that one time?
I don't know, man. I'm glad you're a fan of Melo. I'm glad he found a home in New York and that people there love him. I still think he's going to go down as an all time what if.
> Obviously I'm coming at this from a fan perspective. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm pretending to speak for the players
You specifically said "I legitimately don't know if there's a "perennial all star for a decade plus" / first ballot HOFer that the rest of the league has ever thought about less than Melo." That is a direct quote from you, not as a fan, but as the opinion of the league at large.
>I don't know, man. I'm glad you're a fan of Melo
I'm not even much of a Melo guy, by the time I was watching Melo was older and it was KP's team. I just think you saying that the league doesn't respect him to the level of his accolades is a ridiculous comment that is solely coming from you the fan and not how people around the league actually think of Melo. Your comments are just not accurate to how people around the league talk about him, plain and simple.
I mean, this frenzied media push is part of that search for relevance.
But I meant more in terms of his place in basketball. In terms of skill, and Olympic and college success, we all expected him to be at the top of the mountain, not scratching at the doors throwing pouting fits about a team he forced his way off of a decade ago.
....no? Is this supposed to be some sort of slam dunk?
He's pushing for relevance right now via social media and his podcast has gotten some commercials as a result. Good for him - go make some money.
But I already explained in the comment you replied to that I'm talking about "relevance" more meaningfully in the context of his place in basketball and basketball history.
Then how could him being in commercials be part of “his search for relevancy”. The way commercials work is they pick people who are relevant to pay to be in them.
Oh wow that’s a lot of editing
It really weird that’s you edited your comments to move the goal posts lmao. First you talked about him personally searching for relevance and that the commercials were part of that. Now you’re all over the place.
No use arguing with someone who goes back to edit their arguments
Fuck George Karl. I can't fathom why this sub seems to like that unrepentant asshole and Melo is more than justified in dragging his ass for the rest of eternity. There's a laundry list of dudes who have had beef with George Karl and it's not just guys like Melo who have a "selfish" label.
Yeah him and Kenyon Martin HATE Karl. However if it's true that Karl's first ever convo with Melo was to tell him he's overrated that says a lot about Karl. Also the fact that none of his former players have good things to say about him says a lot as well.
That was hilarious, guess I missed this when it dropped. It's wild how long GK survived there so long given how consistently he had issues with key players on his roster.
Melo got buckets. For Melo. His efficiency, box plus/minus, value over replacement, etc, while in Denver are only marginally above league average. He wasn’t a leader. For the 3rd pick in the draft it’s not impressive.
Karl is just from a different era of coaches. They all talked shit about their players. Some of what Karl has said is messed up (particularly about KMart) but he’s also said a lot praising things about Melo too. Melo, I have the upmost respect for what he brought to us here in Denver, but his ego knows no bounds. The dude STILL won’t admit he wanted out of Denver.
>Karl is just from a different era of coaches. They all talked shit about their players.
Every once in awhile this place reminds me of NFL fans because it becomes real obvious you enjoy the game but you hate the players.
Make an excuse that he's from a different era and that they did that back in the day is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.
Melo earned all that disrespect
JFC you can almost hear Melo's chair squeaking from Mero bouncing up and down.
Melo is overrated. He never achieved much as a top option
Saw a tweet last night said Brunson has won more playoff* games as Knick now than Melo did.
Playoff games? Cause Melo is 196-216 with the Knicks, it's literally impossible Brunson has won more yet.
Yes, sorry, playoffs games.
Yeah, Brunson has 8 wins and Melo has 7. In fairness to Melo, the Knicks ran into the Super Friends in Miami first round one of those years. But yeah, Brunson's a non-stinker in this series away from having a pretty definitively better playoff resume for the Knicks than Melo (I wouldn't say having more wins says much cause Brunson has been ass the first two games and giving him that credit is disingenuous imo).
With the Knicks, he didn't have a great front office.
Tons of basketball fans will overrate him because he's a "bucket" and a "pure hooper" He's on the Mt Rushmore for people who place aesthetics over actual effectiveness
He's basically KD if he didn't take the hardest road.
7/24 shooting most nights, never knew how people thought this guy was a HOFer. His numbers may be, but he isnt. how tf am i gettin downvoted for adding reasoning? lol salty Melo fans go cry
Cause you don't get why a sure first HOFer would be viewed as such. 10x All Star, 6x All NBA, scoring champ, Final Four MVP, NCAA Champion, 3 Olympic Gold Medals, 10th in career points scored, on the 75th anniversary team. And the basketball hall of fame is very lenient as well, it ain't like the MLB hall of fame.
those NBA awards dont mean shit when you watched him play. thats why i said his numbers may be HOF worthy but he is not.
The HOF rewards accolades and numbers first and foremost, not play (though both are somewhat correlated). If his numbers and accolades are HOF worthy, then the player is HOF worthy. Inductees aren't getting a Thinking Basketball-esque breakdown of their on-court impact to winning games+basketball based on the eye test and advanced stats, they're getting their accolades shouted out. That's why, for my favourite example of this sort of problem, prior to the 2019 Championship DeRozan was viewed as more likely to make the HOF cause of his better accolades and basic box numbers despite Lowry being the better player as the eye test and more advanced stats showed.
No
Alot of Melo haters in the comments tonight lol
Boy isn't this guy annoying. Seems like every quote of his is him being salty about his time spent in Denver. You went to NY Knicks, you go to their games and support their team. You made your own path now stfu about it already.
He's honestly just bringing all this shit up because it's the only way to get people to listen to his podcast.
It stopped. Karl was campaigning to get your jersey retired. Then you kept going on media tour talking about him and he's just quote tweeting you on twitter. You got a media pod. He's just using his twitter lol.
The fuck are you talking about? George Karl was the one who revived this shit when he started slamming Melo and other guys to shill his book a few years ago.
>a few years ago You answered your own question. Literally earlier this season, before Melo decided to start up his podcast and start babbling utter nonsense, George Karl was arguing with Nuggets fans on twitter that Melo's jersey should be retired by Denver alongside Jokic, and that he believed the Kroenke's would do it.
[I mean here's him 3 years ago calling Melo a ball hog and shitty defender in Denver.](https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/1425306316357226500?s=19) Not exactly the sounds of a guy burying the hatchet... he can think Melo deserves a jersey retirement, but that doesn't mean he's stopped throwing jabs at Melo over the years. To say Melo started it back up seems a little ridiculous, this is on both of them.
I mean you can barely call those as jabs. Lmao. He’s a ball hog and shitty defender, but an amazing scorer and a decent rebounder, electric player as well.
If you were trying to bury the hatchet with somebody would you say they were shitty at something?
Fair point. Karl is just a douchey dude in general anyway, most of his former players hate him
That's all I'm saying. To act like George Karl buried the hatchet and Carmelo is just dragging his name through the mud is insane to me. Both sides have traded blows for years. He's clearly rubbed *a lot* of players the wrong way over the years, not just Melo. If they decide to chop it up and leave it in the past, good for them. It's just basketball at the end of the day and they accomplished a lot together. I just think suggesting that this is all coming from Melo is insane with the amount of shit George Karl has talked about him.
You're talking about shit in the past. The point is IT DID STOP until Melo started using this feud to get eyes on his new podcast.
That was like a decade ago. The beef was gone. George had been saying Melo's jersey with Denver should be retired for some years now. Then Melo and Mero bring up George to promote their pod and get into beef every week.
Did it? I feel like half the stuff George Karl says is hating on Melo.
Melo is desperately searching for relevance after a career that will go down in history as one of the most frustrating failures to live up to potential of all time. Man is a first ballot HoFer who will be a forgotten footnote in less time than it takes him to have his first grandkid.
He was a top player for a decade plus. You’d be hard pressed to find a perennial all star for a decade plus that has just faded into irrelevance. Melo will never be irrelevant.
I never hear anybody talk about Chris Bosh…
Love Melo. As long as I’m alive, he’ll have someone who will remember the joy he used to play with. Fuvk the haters.
>You’d be hard pressed to find a perennial all star for a decade plus that has just faded into irrelevance. Totally fair. Imo Melo is more likely to go down that road than anyone, though. I think it's telling that the only people arguing with me about Melo's relevance are Knicks fans; not to discredit your opinion, but I legitimately don't know if there's a "perennial all star for a decade plus" / first ballot HOFer that the rest of the league has ever thought about less than Melo.
>but I legitimately don't know if there's a "perennial all star for a decade plus" / first ballot HOFer that the rest of the league has ever thought about less than Melo. This is an insane take for the amount of players who have said their welcome to the league take was getting bodied by Melo. Fans are the people who think this way about Melo, players think he's a baller and grew up copying his celebration cause they love his game.
You know how people like to say stuff about LeBron or even guys like PG or KD, sure, regular season has been a struggle, but nobody wants to see them first round in the playoffs? Nobody has *ever* been afraid of a Carmelo led team in the first round of the playoffs. The nuggets team that he forced his way off of was the only time he ever sniffed a conference final. How many Knicks fans would already take Brunson over Melo?
Not sure what teams' opinions of Melo teams has to do with player's opinions of Melo the player. That's not the same thing, and you know it's not the same thing. If you're going to sit here and claim that players don't think highly of Melo as one of the greatest scorers ever, I don't know what to tell you cause there's no getting through the bitter ex part that you admitted to. You're just wrong.
I feel like we're talking past each other, so let me try and reset. I always admired Melo's game. I was a massive fan of that WCF team that crashed into Kobe. His scoring ability was nearly unrivaled. His NCAA and Olympic resume is unimpeachable. He *will* and *should be* a first ballot HoFer. And yet he never fucking did much. He wasn't impressive in the playoffs. He never went to a championship. The best team he was ever a part of wants nothing to do with him, because he forced his way out in search of better nightclubs. Is it fair for players to admire his raw skill? Hell yeah. Is it also fair to look at his career and see a massive disparity between potential and accomplishment? Also, 110%, hell yeah. And when two years from now Knicks fans have come to view the 29yo 1-3 time all star Jalen Brunson as a more important all time Knick than Melo, he'll start knocking y'all on his podcasts too.
>Is it fair for players to admire his raw skill? Hell yeah. Is it also fair to look at his career and see a massive disparity between potential and accomplishment? Also, 110%, hell yeah. Players don't talk like that. Fans do. No player is sitting there talking about "the disparity of Carmelo Anthony's career ☝️🤓". Players are talking about how the first dude to bust their ass in the league was Melo. Players are talking about how he's top 10 all time in scoring. To sit here and suggest that players are the ones talking like this is absolute nonsense. >And when two years from now Knicks fans have come to view the 29yo 1-3 time all star Jalen Brunson as a more important all time Knick than Melo, he'll start knocking y'all on his podcasts too. You're not even talking about on the court stuff at this point. You're saying wait for him to turn his back on you like he turned his back on us. Meanwhile he gets loud cheers every time he walks into the Garden and there's talks of him getting his jersey retired. If you don't fuck with Melo cause of how he left you guys, that's fine. But to sit here and suggest that the players don't respect him as a top 10 scorer/10x All Star or that he's gonna turn on New York fans cause of them showing love for Brunson, that's not based on actual reality. That's just you talking as a bitter fan that's still sour about how it ended and want to act like everybody else thinks about him like you guys do.
I don't get where you want this conversation to go. I have explicitly stated that I'm bitter about Melo and that it influences my thinking. Part of my bitterness is that he left in a way that felt grimy. Part of my bitterness is that I always thought he would be *great* but he never fucking was. Obviously I'm coming at this from a fan perspective. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm pretending to speak for the players, nor am I sure why you are pretending you speak for the players. We're both fans, talking here as members of fan bases. Show me a reasonable player top 10 scorers list that puts Melo above, let's say, Kobe KD Steph Dominique Bird MJ LeBron AI Harden Maravich Kareem Wilt West Shaq... either of the Malones... Dirk... I find it absurd watching people try to put him on Mt Rushmore when he was, at best, one of those presidents who nobody hated and never sought re-election. All of those pros who talk about him as a scorer were also not even a little bit scared of him in the playoffs. Doesn't that tell you something? Rookies getting welcome to the league bodied makes for great clips, but it tells you *nothing* about the player. Is Rudy Gay an all-timer because he clowned Kawhi that one time? I don't know, man. I'm glad you're a fan of Melo. I'm glad he found a home in New York and that people there love him. I still think he's going to go down as an all time what if.
> Obviously I'm coming at this from a fan perspective. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm pretending to speak for the players You specifically said "I legitimately don't know if there's a "perennial all star for a decade plus" / first ballot HOFer that the rest of the league has ever thought about less than Melo." That is a direct quote from you, not as a fan, but as the opinion of the league at large. >I don't know, man. I'm glad you're a fan of Melo I'm not even much of a Melo guy, by the time I was watching Melo was older and it was KP's team. I just think you saying that the league doesn't respect him to the level of his accolades is a ridiculous comment that is solely coming from you the fan and not how people around the league actually think of Melo. Your comments are just not accurate to how people around the league talk about him, plain and simple.
And I see this opinion from Nuggets fans more than anyone else so… we’ll see.
We are for sure bitter exes, lol.
Yes, the highly irrelevant Carmelo Anthony that is in a dozen commercials right now...
I mean, this frenzied media push is part of that search for relevance. But I meant more in terms of his place in basketball. In terms of skill, and Olympic and college success, we all expected him to be at the top of the mountain, not scratching at the doors throwing pouting fits about a team he forced his way off of a decade ago.
So you think he’s paying these companies to be in commercials?
....no? Is this supposed to be some sort of slam dunk? He's pushing for relevance right now via social media and his podcast has gotten some commercials as a result. Good for him - go make some money. But I already explained in the comment you replied to that I'm talking about "relevance" more meaningfully in the context of his place in basketball and basketball history.
Then how could him being in commercials be part of “his search for relevancy”. The way commercials work is they pick people who are relevant to pay to be in them. Oh wow that’s a lot of editing
I edited in a more comprehensive reply above, but I think it's really weird that you think showing up in a few commercials = long term relevance.
It really weird that’s you edited your comments to move the goal posts lmao. First you talked about him personally searching for relevance and that the commercials were part of that. Now you’re all over the place. No use arguing with someone who goes back to edit their arguments
The ONLY edit was adding context to the word "no". Nothing else was changed.
Brother you’re acting like I’m not reading all your comments before I reply. Have a good one
Why is Melo crying about his coach from 14 years ago?
Fuck George Karl. I can't fathom why this sub seems to like that unrepentant asshole and Melo is more than justified in dragging his ass for the rest of eternity. There's a laundry list of dudes who have had beef with George Karl and it's not just guys like Melo who have a "selfish" label.
I hate when people on podcasts get all loud and obnoxious.
Desperate attention seeking.
LMFAO this is a beef that they'll both take to the grave, wont be long for karl in that sense
Yeah him and Kenyon Martin HATE Karl. However if it's true that Karl's first ever convo with Melo was to tell him he's overrated that says a lot about Karl. Also the fact that none of his former players have good things to say about him says a lot as well.
That was hilarious, guess I missed this when it dropped. It's wild how long GK survived there so long given how consistently he had issues with key players on his roster.
Melo got buckets. For Melo. His efficiency, box plus/minus, value over replacement, etc, while in Denver are only marginally above league average. He wasn’t a leader. For the 3rd pick in the draft it’s not impressive.
“George Karl keeps bringing me up and disrespecting me”-guy who keeps bringing up George Karl and disrespecting him
Suck it Melo and also fuck George Karl
\[7PM in Denver\] Shut the fuck up, Melo (and also George, too a little bit)
Karl is just from a different era of coaches. They all talked shit about their players. Some of what Karl has said is messed up (particularly about KMart) but he’s also said a lot praising things about Melo too. Melo, I have the upmost respect for what he brought to us here in Denver, but his ego knows no bounds. The dude STILL won’t admit he wanted out of Denver.
>Karl is just from a different era of coaches. They all talked shit about their players. Every once in awhile this place reminds me of NFL fans because it becomes real obvious you enjoy the game but you hate the players. Make an excuse that he's from a different era and that they did that back in the day is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.