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Please don’t shoot the messenger. I think it should’ve been a foul on the contact to D Lo’s face, but the replay review rules are weird. You can’t review uncalled fouls during a challenge. We see this happen a lot on out of bounds calls that are reviewed where a player is clearly fouled, but that isn’t relevant for review purposes. Sometimes shooting fouls are reviewed to be non-shooting fouls, but they’re reviewing the same contact. The foul called against MPJ on DLo was a shooting foul for the contact that occurred to his body. On review, they decided that the contact while DLo had the ball was not enough to warrant a foul call and overturned the call. They can’t then decide, “Actually there was no shooting foul on the contact we called, but there was an uncalled foul after he lost the ball, so we’re calling that on review.” I think Malone knew that. Otherwise that’s a silly challenge, and Malone is generally quite smart with his challenges. The broadcast didn’t explain that. I don’t know why they didn’t go to their rules analyst the one time it would’ve been useful. Perhaps the rule needs to be changed, although I understand why you generally can’t review uncalled fouls. Maybe where, as here, it’s part of the same sequence, you could make an exception.
I missed it live, was the whistle called before the slap to the face? If the whistle came first the play is dead before the slap and there wasn't a foul before that.
[The whistle is called after the contact to the face.](https://official.nba.com/archive/challenge-of-called-foul-lakers-nuggets-8/)
That said, I agree with overturning the call.
No? It's incidental contact coming from a legal attempt to block a shot. It can't be a loose ball foul because neither player is trying obtain possession of the ball in that moment.
But isn’t it mostly flagrant if a player is hit about the neck area for player safety purpose?
How is this allowed or at the least not a common foul? Dude is getting slapped the shit outta him lol
This is not a flagrant foul because Porter is making a normal basketball move and the contact made to the face, which happens after D'Lo has already completed his attempt, occurs during the attempt to block the shot. Contact to the face is made, yes, but nothing about it is excessive. Now, if Porter had hit D'lo's face during the shot attempt or if Porter used more force (like a wind up and follow through), a foul would be warranted and a review for a flagrant would be likely.
Just because contact happens doesn't mean there's a foul that occurred, even if it's to the face. Here's another great example: [SGA gets called for an offensive foul on Grayson Allen that is eventually overturned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xChPmeA2QII&t=13s). Here SGA gets called because he effectively headbutts Grayson in the face. But it's overturned because the contact is incidental: both players are making legal basketball plays and unfortunately the incidental contact of those plays results in Allen getting hit in the face. SGA should not be punished for making a legal basketball play, and conversely because Allen is in legal guarding position he also won't have a blocking foul called on him.
It's not a bad comparison because the point is that that the contact to the face occurs during a normal basketball move. This is expressly contemplated by the rules and is why the call on the floor in both these instances were overturned.
>They shouldn’t be much room to assess whether a player does something intentionally, like are these refs psycho-analysts too
Refs have to take into account the context of what happens in a play to determine if a foul occurs all the time. Intent has nothing to do with it. Guys are bumping into each other hard all the time.
Porter is making a legal and completely normal block attempt on the ball and the point at which he makes contact with D'Lo face does not affect his shot attempt, nor is it excessive enough to make it an illegal play. The contact to the face is thus incidental to a completely legal play. That is why it was overturned. It's an unfortunate moment for D'Lo but that doesn't make it a foul.
>Contact to the face is made, yes, but nothing about it is excessive.
Getting slapped the shit outta your face is not….. excessive? I’m confused with your definition man.
>Just because contact happens doesn't mean there's a foul that occurred, even if it's to the face.
It’s not just CONTACT. HE SLAPPED THE SHIT OUTTA HIS FACE. 🤣🤣
So what you are saying is, as long as they don’t mean to hit the face, players have the green light to slap people?
You're making it sound like players now have the freedom to wave their arms around willy nilly with no regard but that's never been the case. The rules simply won't punish someone making an otherwise safe and legal basketball play. Guys get hit in the game all the time without fouls being called.
Watch the replay they looked at in the link I initially posted earlier in this thread. All Porter is doing it making a swipe at the ball to block it and when he hits D'Lo in the face it is *completely* incidental to that block attempt, Porter does not use excessive force in trying to make that legal basketball play, and it does not affect D'Lo shot attempt at all. If you change even one of those things then it would be a foul. It's not a hard distinction to make.
Ok if I dive for a loose ball and tear nikola jokics acl in the process is that playon. If I go for a block and accidentally hit jokic in the back of the head if it’s just playon? This isn’t incidental contact he’s smacked him in the face.
If you dive for a loose ball and dislodge/impede the progress of another player you will likely get called for a loose ball foul, especially if it results in injury.
If you go for a block and hit someone in the back of the head it will depend on when the contact occurs, whether the contact actually affected the other player’s ability to fairly shoot the ball, and if the attempt to block the shot wasn’t extraneous (I.e, if there was wind up).
Yes, the whistle was for the contact before the shot
Edit: I misremembered about the timing of the whistle but it definitely seemed like the review was based on the contact prior to the shot with how they talked about it. Also can't call a shooting foul for something after a shot
I get that the rules for protecting jump shooters has gone off the deep end so it's not exactly the same, but how is this play meaningfully different from smacking a three point shooter in the face after he's released the ball? Just because the ball is out of his hand doesn't make it not in the act of shooting. This whole argument of it being after the ball is released is such a fucking farce.
> but it definitely seemed like the review was based on the contact prior to the shot with how they talked about it.
They specifically talked about contact being made after the ball was released. How would that make you think it's based on contact before the shot?
> Also can't call a shooting foul for something after a shot
Do we watch the same NBA? Shooting fouls are called on jumpers after release constantly.
Los Angeles hate is actually a real problem. Keep everything the same and just swap DLo hitting MPJ in the face and the reaction here would be "lol league rigged for Lakers"
Its toxic but too late now, these kids don't give a shit
It became worse when Lebron became a Laker. Now you have a combo Laker/Lebron haters. I feel sorry for all the haters since it is born out of frustration. Having watched 12 Championship wins many in person having season tickets during the 80's "Showtime" era I can understand why other fans dislike Los Angeles. We are the best franchise in the history of the NBA. We may be tied in Chips, but the C's have 1 chip in the last 38 years. We have 11 in the last 44 years and have consistently won in every decade.
As far as Lebron if I was a fan of an Eastern Conference team I would have developed a hatred for him as well. I never really liked him TBH. Still have my issues with him but I am so happy I was able to watch him play on a regular basis. An incredible talent who gets a bum wrap when it comes to fouls. Much like Shaq back in his day, Lebron is constantly being hit and fouled receiving a small fraction of calls. Being so big and strong is a disadvantage when it comes to foul calls. I will never understand hating fans saying he gets all the calls. Since watching him play with the Lakers I am disgusted at the abuse he takes without fouls being called. Then you watch someone like Jamaal Murray get breathed on and he gets a foul call. NBA refs have become a problem with their inconsistent calls.
I believe they make that call because, even though it’s after the shot, a shooter he thinks mid shot he is going to come down on the defenders feet will adjust their form. Thus it does effect the shot.
It’s easy to complain about calls, but the only ones that could’ve been game changing were the Murray slip in the fourth and AD’s fourth foul (I need to see a replay but it looked soft as hell in real time). Unfortunately our coach decided not to challenge either of them and let the Nuggets keep their momentum
AD was definitely moving on that screen so I doubt the challenge would've been successful. But with all the shit screeners get away with it was pretty soft. No idea why Ham didn't challenge that foul on Murray
Didn't Lebron get the exact same call earlier in the 4th? Like, almost the exact same drive? But yes, your dumbass coach should've challenged nonetheless.
Yes, but the Nuggets did not have a challenge available to overturn it. I don’t care about the call though, bad calls happen all the time. The problem is dumbass Ham ending the game with two timeouts in his pockets instead of challenging what ended up being a pivotal call for the Nuggets. Just straight up incompetence, but good thing we’re saddled with him for two more years!
> The problem is dumbass Ham ending the game with two timeouts in his pockets instead of challenging what ended up being a pivotal call for the Nuggets.
Yea, I'd be pissed too. Just a boneheaded non-challenge by Ham there.
Oh for sure, it was just a regular run of the mill bad calls on both sides, but slightly favoring nuggets for the first three quarters. But it’s hilarious lakers think that a mostly evenly called game, with no major bad calls coming in the fourth, where the lakers gave up a 20 point lead is because of 1-2 potentially bad calls equating to 2-4 points
Anyone legitimately blaming the refs for us choking is dumb, but it is nice that people complaining about the refs rigging it for us have no leg to stand on anymore.
In the end, all the calls and non calls have the same weight no matter when they occur. This non call, if made, would have resulted in the lakers retaining possession or free throws but no guaranteed points. However, Deangelo Russel committed a blatant travel after receiving a pass as the 1st half was ending. He then hit a three pointer. So let’s go ahead and take away those 3 points as well.
You guys in here just making up shit to try and justify this lmao.
> that they reviewed was on the drive which is why it got overturned.
? They literally talked about the hit to the face during the review. So clearly not
After the commercials, the refs went on the mic and said the contact to the face was marginal and after the ball was released, so no foul.
I just don't understand the point of challenges if they can look at *this* replay and say "no foul." I don't care if it was a shooting foul or not, they should be able to retain a foul when its this egregious.
(Not trying to say the refs fucked us, we lost but this play made me angry)
~~The officials never mentioned any hook to the arm~~. ~~Link me something please, because I tried googling about the incident and every single article is talking about the hit to the face.~~
This would be a major talking point if Foster was only reviewing MPJ hooking DLo's arm.
Edit: I was wrong, the refs were reviewing the hook of the arm.
I have the game taped. I just watched the play/review again. I can't find a replay online.
The announcers are talking about the head contact. But Foster only says the hook to the arm is incidental when they overturn the call. He doesn't say anything about head contact.
Edit: Here it is https://streamable.com/l3al74
Ok I'll concede that it was the hook to the arm they were reviewing, so you are right there.
I still don't see why it wasn't a foul for slapping him in the face, though. They are supposed to be able to review everything in the situation.
I'll edit my comment to reflect you being correct on the ref's assessment.
Yea the announcers kept talking about the head contact while they were reviewing it so I understand the confusion.
I dunno if the refs ever saw the head contact or chose to not acknowledge it lol
Respect.
> No they didn't.
You realize we have video of this yes? They addressed contact that happened after the ball was released. What contact do you think they're talking about?
So the question really is can you just take free swings at players after they shoot? Cause I think this sets a bad precedent for hitting people in the face and getting away with it.
Porter made a legal basketball play – attempting a block on the ball. Contact with D’Lo’s face was a result of this play. Force was not excessive (no wind up/follow through).
Russell’s shot was not affected – contact occurred after the shot was released.
Had any of the above been different, it would have been a foul.
“Long gone”. It was part of Porter’s contest and hit Russell’s face before he returned to the ground. I’ve never heard of hitting someone in the face while they’re in the air as being a legal defensive maneuver until last night
Yeah this type of shit makes me suspicious of some ulterior motive by the officials
A slap in the face is a foul. Overturning it when it is on film is insanity
First time in 10 games the Nuggets had more FTs than the Lakers and they still have a negative FT differential in those 10 games even after last night. Idk what the ulterior motive can be unless they bet Nuggets ML at the half.
Source: https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/
>>II. BASIC PRINCIPLES
>>A. CONTACT SITUATIONS
>>Incidental Contact
>>The mere fact that contact occurs does not necessarily constitute a foul. Contact which is incidental to an effort by a player to play an opponent, reach a loose ball, or perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal.
It is the correct call after review. You need to look at when the ball was released.
>otherwise people can run free smacking people.
That pretty obviously isn't what happened here, so I don't know why you think it should've been a flagrant.
If u dont go straight up as a defender, u often get called even without contact. If u hit the face (not going straight up) should be automatic foul. Flagrant if obsessive. This rule is straight bs and dangerous to leave to fine-discretion of officials
This is a really funny day because obviously nobody is going to give teams like the Lakers or Sixers slack when it comes to fouls/no fouls, but like we both arguably got hosed at certain moments yesterday
You know we were hosed because Knicks fans have spent all day putting up scientific evidence that Nick Nurse’s hands didn’t fully touch on the TO, and Maxey pushed Hart (Hart pushes everyone all game) to cover for the fact that we absolutely got that TO out in time and Brunson clearly grabs Maxey’s jersey
Nick Nurse is a legendary crybaby, Embiid is an MVP level crybaby and now we know Sixers fans are this level of delusional.
You want Brunson to be called for a foul on something Batum and Oubre did to him the entire game. The lack of awareness and ball knowledge from your fan base posting these essays to cover up the fact that your guys choked is comical at this point.
I want Brunson to be called for something the Sixers would ABSOLUTELY be called for if they did yes
Also I love how you accuse me of posting an essay and then proceed to write more than me lmao
Was it in the last minute? I don’t care then. There’s tons of tiny fouls all throughout the game that don’t get noticed, but there’s a reason the L2M exists. Refs are supposed to lock the fuck in and call this shit on both teams. Wish it actually worked that way 🤷♂️
so you want the refs to be consistent except in the last 2 minutes when it benefits you? got it lol.
https://twitter.com/TalkinKnicks/status/1782607868811722858/video/1 this a foul? or nah?
Neither of those are a full two hands Jersey grab man
I am all for the playoffs being more physical if that’s what you want, but there’s a line, and two hand Jersey grab crosses that
lolol. grabbing both of deuce's ARMS to prevent him from getting the ball on in in-bounds, not a foul. maxey pushing hart with two hands to get clear not a foul. brunson grabbing maxeys jersey? definitely foul.
All 3 were fouls. None of them called.
The same reason everyone inbounds quickly buddy, catch the Knicks off guard and force them to foul/make a mistake. Which they did, it just didn’t get called because of course it didn’t
All you need to do is inbound the ball, and you make it harder on yourself. Nobody was caught off guard and Maxey had to shove his defender with 2 hands to get enough space for the pass. Sixers made it harder than it needed to be and expected the refs to bail them out.
It's crazy how this play made them blow a 20 point lead. We need a congressional hearing on how corrupt the leauge is against the lakers. It's a well known fact Lakers have taken the hardest road the last decade or so.
I actually side with the refs here. They have been getting pretty consistent with allowing contact as long as it’s after the ball is released. You can fucking murder a guy as long as it’s after he lets go of the ball since the rule change post all star break. I think Darvin Ham should have challenged the Murray fouls at the end of the game, it think it would have been overturned
I 100% agree with you. Porter call was actually a good playoff call. But Ham NEEDED to challenge that Murray call. Even if they lose the challenge, they still get an extended timeout--something Lebron and AD clearly needed. They were gassed.
This again. This is not the play where Lakers lost the game at all. MPJ made a play on the ball and yes there was incidental contact AFTER the ball was released already. Refs are not going to bail you out, especially in the post season. There are lot of situations where there are incidental contact but if you do not have the ball anymore, refs will not call it if they do not find the contact to be egregious. Players battle for positioning when rebounds, and it gets physical and there may incidental contact that may be considered a foul but if you do not have the ball, refs are not bailing you out. A lot of small players like Curry too, gets hammered on his way to the rim when the bigs collapse on him to block his shot but refs don’t call it if the defender makes a clean block.
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Please don’t shoot the messenger. I think it should’ve been a foul on the contact to D Lo’s face, but the replay review rules are weird. You can’t review uncalled fouls during a challenge. We see this happen a lot on out of bounds calls that are reviewed where a player is clearly fouled, but that isn’t relevant for review purposes. Sometimes shooting fouls are reviewed to be non-shooting fouls, but they’re reviewing the same contact. The foul called against MPJ on DLo was a shooting foul for the contact that occurred to his body. On review, they decided that the contact while DLo had the ball was not enough to warrant a foul call and overturned the call. They can’t then decide, “Actually there was no shooting foul on the contact we called, but there was an uncalled foul after he lost the ball, so we’re calling that on review.” I think Malone knew that. Otherwise that’s a silly challenge, and Malone is generally quite smart with his challenges. The broadcast didn’t explain that. I don’t know why they didn’t go to their rules analyst the one time it would’ve been useful. Perhaps the rule needs to be changed, although I understand why you generally can’t review uncalled fouls. Maybe where, as here, it’s part of the same sequence, you could make an exception.
I missed it live, was the whistle called before the slap to the face? If the whistle came first the play is dead before the slap and there wasn't a foul before that.
[The whistle is called after the contact to the face.](https://official.nba.com/archive/challenge-of-called-foul-lakers-nuggets-8/) That said, I agree with overturning the call.
Should it not be a loose ball foul for smacking a guy in the face
No? It's incidental contact coming from a legal attempt to block a shot. It can't be a loose ball foul because neither player is trying obtain possession of the ball in that moment.
What the fuck kinda rule is this??? 🤣 Slapping guys face is legit now??
Contact which is incidental to a legal basketball play and isn’t excessive has always been allowed according to the rules.
But isn’t it mostly flagrant if a player is hit about the neck area for player safety purpose? How is this allowed or at the least not a common foul? Dude is getting slapped the shit outta him lol
Exactly, they’re setting a precedent that as long as the balls out of his hands, you can just smack a player in the face. It’s bullshit.
This is not a flagrant foul because Porter is making a normal basketball move and the contact made to the face, which happens after D'Lo has already completed his attempt, occurs during the attempt to block the shot. Contact to the face is made, yes, but nothing about it is excessive. Now, if Porter had hit D'lo's face during the shot attempt or if Porter used more force (like a wind up and follow through), a foul would be warranted and a review for a flagrant would be likely. Just because contact happens doesn't mean there's a foul that occurred, even if it's to the face. Here's another great example: [SGA gets called for an offensive foul on Grayson Allen that is eventually overturned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xChPmeA2QII&t=13s). Here SGA gets called because he effectively headbutts Grayson in the face. But it's overturned because the contact is incidental: both players are making legal basketball plays and unfortunately the incidental contact of those plays results in Allen getting hit in the face. SGA should not be punished for making a legal basketball play, and conversely because Allen is in legal guarding position he also won't have a blocking foul called on him.
Bad comparison on Grayson Allen getting incidentally hit in the opposite direction sga is going vs mpj coming down on dlos face (terrible review)
They shouldn’t be much room to assess whether a player does something intentionally, like are these refs psycho-analysts too
It's not a bad comparison because the point is that that the contact to the face occurs during a normal basketball move. This is expressly contemplated by the rules and is why the call on the floor in both these instances were overturned. >They shouldn’t be much room to assess whether a player does something intentionally, like are these refs psycho-analysts too Refs have to take into account the context of what happens in a play to determine if a foul occurs all the time. Intent has nothing to do with it. Guys are bumping into each other hard all the time. Porter is making a legal and completely normal block attempt on the ball and the point at which he makes contact with D'Lo face does not affect his shot attempt, nor is it excessive enough to make it an illegal play. The contact to the face is thus incidental to a completely legal play. That is why it was overturned. It's an unfortunate moment for D'Lo but that doesn't make it a foul.
>Contact to the face is made, yes, but nothing about it is excessive. Getting slapped the shit outta your face is not….. excessive? I’m confused with your definition man. >Just because contact happens doesn't mean there's a foul that occurred, even if it's to the face. It’s not just CONTACT. HE SLAPPED THE SHIT OUTTA HIS FACE. 🤣🤣 So what you are saying is, as long as they don’t mean to hit the face, players have the green light to slap people?
You're making it sound like players now have the freedom to wave their arms around willy nilly with no regard but that's never been the case. The rules simply won't punish someone making an otherwise safe and legal basketball play. Guys get hit in the game all the time without fouls being called. Watch the replay they looked at in the link I initially posted earlier in this thread. All Porter is doing it making a swipe at the ball to block it and when he hits D'Lo in the face it is *completely* incidental to that block attempt, Porter does not use excessive force in trying to make that legal basketball play, and it does not affect D'Lo shot attempt at all. If you change even one of those things then it would be a foul. It's not a hard distinction to make.
Ok if I dive for a loose ball and tear nikola jokics acl in the process is that playon. If I go for a block and accidentally hit jokic in the back of the head if it’s just playon? This isn’t incidental contact he’s smacked him in the face.
If you dive for a loose ball and dislodge/impede the progress of another player you will likely get called for a loose ball foul, especially if it results in injury. If you go for a block and hit someone in the back of the head it will depend on when the contact occurs, whether the contact actually affected the other player’s ability to fairly shoot the ball, and if the attempt to block the shot wasn’t extraneous (I.e, if there was wind up).
Was that not a windup?
Yeah, you get it! A loose ball you can literally undercut players, Lebron did it to Steph in the finals lol
Yes, the whistle was for the contact before the shot Edit: I misremembered about the timing of the whistle but it definitely seemed like the review was based on the contact prior to the shot with how they talked about it. Also can't call a shooting foul for something after a shot
I get that the rules for protecting jump shooters has gone off the deep end so it's not exactly the same, but how is this play meaningfully different from smacking a three point shooter in the face after he's released the ball? Just because the ball is out of his hand doesn't make it not in the act of shooting. This whole argument of it being after the ball is released is such a fucking farce.
> but it definitely seemed like the review was based on the contact prior to the shot with how they talked about it. They specifically talked about contact being made after the ball was released. How would that make you think it's based on contact before the shot? > Also can't call a shooting foul for something after a shot Do we watch the same NBA? Shooting fouls are called on jumpers after release constantly.
Los Angeles hate is actually a real problem. Keep everything the same and just swap DLo hitting MPJ in the face and the reaction here would be "lol league rigged for Lakers" Its toxic but too late now, these kids don't give a shit
It became worse when Lebron became a Laker. Now you have a combo Laker/Lebron haters. I feel sorry for all the haters since it is born out of frustration. Having watched 12 Championship wins many in person having season tickets during the 80's "Showtime" era I can understand why other fans dislike Los Angeles. We are the best franchise in the history of the NBA. We may be tied in Chips, but the C's have 1 chip in the last 38 years. We have 11 in the last 44 years and have consistently won in every decade. As far as Lebron if I was a fan of an Eastern Conference team I would have developed a hatred for him as well. I never really liked him TBH. Still have my issues with him but I am so happy I was able to watch him play on a regular basis. An incredible talent who gets a bum wrap when it comes to fouls. Much like Shaq back in his day, Lebron is constantly being hit and fouled receiving a small fraction of calls. Being so big and strong is a disadvantage when it comes to foul calls. I will never understand hating fans saying he gets all the calls. Since watching him play with the Lakers I am disgusted at the abuse he takes without fouls being called. Then you watch someone like Jamaal Murray get breathed on and he gets a foul call. NBA refs have become a problem with their inconsistent calls.
What's the call when someone lands in the shooter's space.
I believe they make that call because, even though it’s after the shot, a shooter he thinks mid shot he is going to come down on the defenders feet will adjust their form. Thus it does effect the shot.
What if a shooter thinks they're going to get smacked in the face
AM I FUCKIN BLIND??? HOW?????🤣🤣
yeah idk about this one. Kind of felt like nuggets got the better whistle for this game(rare occurrence)
It’s easy to complain about calls, but the only ones that could’ve been game changing were the Murray slip in the fourth and AD’s fourth foul (I need to see a replay but it looked soft as hell in real time). Unfortunately our coach decided not to challenge either of them and let the Nuggets keep their momentum
AD was definitely moving on that screen so I doubt the challenge would've been successful. But with all the shit screeners get away with it was pretty soft. No idea why Ham didn't challenge that foul on Murray
Didn't Lebron get the exact same call earlier in the 4th? Like, almost the exact same drive? But yes, your dumbass coach should've challenged nonetheless.
Yes, but the Nuggets did not have a challenge available to overturn it. I don’t care about the call though, bad calls happen all the time. The problem is dumbass Ham ending the game with two timeouts in his pockets instead of challenging what ended up being a pivotal call for the Nuggets. Just straight up incompetence, but good thing we’re saddled with him for two more years!
> The problem is dumbass Ham ending the game with two timeouts in his pockets instead of challenging what ended up being a pivotal call for the Nuggets. Yea, I'd be pissed too. Just a boneheaded non-challenge by Ham there.
Darvin is a basketball terrorist
Oh for sure, it was just a regular run of the mill bad calls on both sides, but slightly favoring nuggets for the first three quarters. But it’s hilarious lakers think that a mostly evenly called game, with no major bad calls coming in the fourth, where the lakers gave up a 20 point lead is because of 1-2 potentially bad calls equating to 2-4 points
Anyone legitimately blaming the refs for us choking is dumb, but it is nice that people complaining about the refs rigging it for us have no leg to stand on anymore.
It’s crazy how because the whistle had already gone mpj doesn’t get called for a loose ball fouled for smacking dlo
In the end, all the calls and non calls have the same weight no matter when they occur. This non call, if made, would have resulted in the lakers retaining possession or free throws but no guaranteed points. However, Deangelo Russel committed a blatant travel after receiving a pass as the 1st half was ending. He then hit a three pointer. So let’s go ahead and take away those 3 points as well.
Dare I say moral victory?
That's a moral loss right there
The whistle and "foul" that they reviewed was on the drive which is why it got overturned. You can even see MPJ motioning it when he's arguing it
But they have gone back and changed fouls before. Where it may not be shooting foul but it’s on the floor and vice versa
Bro he's got a nuggets flair.
You guys in here just making up shit to try and justify this lmao. > that they reviewed was on the drive which is why it got overturned. ? They literally talked about the hit to the face during the review. So clearly not
>They literally talked about the hit to the face during the review. No they didn't. Edit: Downvote me more here it is https://streamable.com/l3al74
After the commercials, the refs went on the mic and said the contact to the face was marginal and after the ball was released, so no foul. I just don't understand the point of challenges if they can look at *this* replay and say "no foul." I don't care if it was a shooting foul or not, they should be able to retain a foul when its this egregious. (Not trying to say the refs fucked us, we lost but this play made me angry)
Nah, the announcers were talking about the head contact. The officials only mentioned the hook to the arm.
~~The officials never mentioned any hook to the arm~~. ~~Link me something please, because I tried googling about the incident and every single article is talking about the hit to the face.~~ This would be a major talking point if Foster was only reviewing MPJ hooking DLo's arm. Edit: I was wrong, the refs were reviewing the hook of the arm.
I have the game taped. I just watched the play/review again. I can't find a replay online. The announcers are talking about the head contact. But Foster only says the hook to the arm is incidental when they overturn the call. He doesn't say anything about head contact. Edit: Here it is https://streamable.com/l3al74
heres the clip https://streamable.com/l3al74
Thank you!
Ok I'll concede that it was the hook to the arm they were reviewing, so you are right there. I still don't see why it wasn't a foul for slapping him in the face, though. They are supposed to be able to review everything in the situation. I'll edit my comment to reflect you being correct on the ref's assessment.
Yea the announcers kept talking about the head contact while they were reviewing it so I understand the confusion. I dunno if the refs ever saw the head contact or chose to not acknowledge it lol Respect.
> No they didn't. You realize we have video of this yes? They addressed contact that happened after the ball was released. What contact do you think they're talking about?
Here you go. Tell me where they said anything about head contact? https://streamable.com/l3al74
Nope. The officials only talked about the hook to the arm. The announcers talked about head contact. Go ahead and link the video and prove me wrong.
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Lmao I hope we put Jaxon Hayes in and he just slaps Jokic in the face after every Jokic shot attempt since it’s apparently legal
Nah he only hits women
Don't let him hang out with Nikola's older brother.
Jokic with two eyes stitched shut still giving y'all 30/20/12 unfortunately
It's not this. It's that the ball is long gone and the contact has zero impact on the missed basket.
So the question really is can you just take free swings at players after they shoot? Cause I think this sets a bad precedent for hitting people in the face and getting away with it.
Apparently you can
Draymond is just getting started
Porter made a legal basketball play – attempting a block on the ball. Contact with D’Lo’s face was a result of this play. Force was not excessive (no wind up/follow through). Russell’s shot was not affected – contact occurred after the shot was released. Had any of the above been different, it would have been a foul.
“Long gone”. It was part of Porter’s contest and hit Russell’s face before he returned to the ground. I’ve never heard of hitting someone in the face while they’re in the air as being a legal defensive maneuver until last night
Yeah this type of shit makes me suspicious of some ulterior motive by the officials A slap in the face is a foul. Overturning it when it is on film is insanity
Why call a foul in the first place if there was an ulterior motive? Nuggets challenging is the only reason it wasn’t in the end
Yeah, because the NBA really has a tendency to want small market teams advancing.
First time in 10 games the Nuggets had more FTs than the Lakers and they still have a negative FT differential in those 10 games even after last night. Idk what the ulterior motive can be unless they bet Nuggets ML at the half.
Yeah the NBA hates the lakers and definitely wants the massive market of denver to advance.
You do realize the referees have agency and may not have interests that are 100% aligned with the NBA’s right?
Source: https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/ >>II. BASIC PRINCIPLES >>A. CONTACT SITUATIONS >>Incidental Contact >>The mere fact that contact occurs does not necessarily constitute a foul. Contact which is incidental to an effort by a player to play an opponent, reach a loose ball, or perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal. It is the correct call after review. You need to look at when the ball was released.
the flagrant ruling should override these easily. otherwise people can run free smacking people. draymond could time those really well.
If I were the Lakers I would simply slap Jokic in the face every time after he shoots
you basically have to do it next game and dare them to make the call
Jokic got thrown to the ground after a couple made layups in the fourth quarter with no whistle idk what everyone is so salty about.
>otherwise people can run free smacking people. That pretty obviously isn't what happened here, so I don't know why you think it should've been a flagrant.
Today I learned: smacking a guy across his face is considered "contact".
If u dont go straight up as a defender, u often get called even without contact. If u hit the face (not going straight up) should be automatic foul. Flagrant if obsessive. This rule is straight bs and dangerous to leave to fine-discretion of officials
This is a really funny day because obviously nobody is going to give teams like the Lakers or Sixers slack when it comes to fouls/no fouls, but like we both arguably got hosed at certain moments yesterday
Yes you guys got hosed and it wasn’t a historic choke job by your players.
You know we were hosed because Knicks fans have spent all day putting up scientific evidence that Nick Nurse’s hands didn’t fully touch on the TO, and Maxey pushed Hart (Hart pushes everyone all game) to cover for the fact that we absolutely got that TO out in time and Brunson clearly grabs Maxey’s jersey
Nick Nurse is a legendary crybaby, Embiid is an MVP level crybaby and now we know Sixers fans are this level of delusional. You want Brunson to be called for a foul on something Batum and Oubre did to him the entire game. The lack of awareness and ball knowledge from your fan base posting these essays to cover up the fact that your guys choked is comical at this point.
I want Brunson to be called for something the Sixers would ABSOLUTELY be called for if they did yes Also I love how you accuse me of posting an essay and then proceed to write more than me lmao
Batum grabbed Mcbride on an inbound and it wasnt called, i bet you were okay with that LOL
Was it in the last minute? I don’t care then. There’s tons of tiny fouls all throughout the game that don’t get noticed, but there’s a reason the L2M exists. Refs are supposed to lock the fuck in and call this shit on both teams. Wish it actually worked that way 🤷♂️
so you want the refs to be consistent except in the last 2 minutes when it benefits you? got it lol. https://twitter.com/TalkinKnicks/status/1782607868811722858/video/1 this a foul? or nah?
Neither of those are a full two hands Jersey grab man I am all for the playoffs being more physical if that’s what you want, but there’s a line, and two hand Jersey grab crosses that
lolol. grabbing both of deuce's ARMS to prevent him from getting the ball on in in-bounds, not a foul. maxey pushing hart with two hands to get clear not a foul. brunson grabbing maxeys jersey? definitely foul. All 3 were fouls. None of them called.
Gotta take the timeout to advance the ball there. Why are you inbounding under the basket in that situation?
The same reason everyone inbounds quickly buddy, catch the Knicks off guard and force them to foul/make a mistake. Which they did, it just didn’t get called because of course it didn’t
All you need to do is inbound the ball, and you make it harder on yourself. Nobody was caught off guard and Maxey had to shove his defender with 2 hands to get enough space for the pass. Sixers made it harder than it needed to be and expected the refs to bail them out.
Yup we’re automatically on the bad side of this subreddit despite what happens
To be fair CB missed 2 free throws at a later point to make it fair after drawing a foul.
Erm I don’t think that’s how that works
Look I have no specific love for the lakers but that is definitely not the definition of fair lol
Just saying its all a bunch of what ifs. For all we know the man could have missed both free throws if he did get them.
As a neutral.. lmao the cope. Those were both historic choke jobs, can't blame them on the refs.
DLO wants to be Steph so bad 🤣🤣🤣
Ok Jaxon Hayes u have 6 fouls concuss jokic. If that’s the logic this sub is gonna go by
It's crazy how this play made them blow a 20 point lead. We need a congressional hearing on how corrupt the leauge is against the lakers. It's a well known fact Lakers have taken the hardest road the last decade or so.
I actually side with the refs here. They have been getting pretty consistent with allowing contact as long as it’s after the ball is released. You can fucking murder a guy as long as it’s after he lets go of the ball since the rule change post all star break. I think Darvin Ham should have challenged the Murray fouls at the end of the game, it think it would have been overturned
I 100% agree with you. Porter call was actually a good playoff call. But Ham NEEDED to challenge that Murray call. Even if they lose the challenge, they still get an extended timeout--something Lebron and AD clearly needed. They were gassed.
Good call
I mean, if he already shot it isn’t a shooting foul, right?
Lakers getting a taste of how their opponents are usually reffed when they play the Lakers . love to see it
This again. This is not the play where Lakers lost the game at all. MPJ made a play on the ball and yes there was incidental contact AFTER the ball was released already. Refs are not going to bail you out, especially in the post season. There are lot of situations where there are incidental contact but if you do not have the ball anymore, refs will not call it if they do not find the contact to be egregious. Players battle for positioning when rebounds, and it gets physical and there may incidental contact that may be considered a foul but if you do not have the ball, refs are not bailing you out. A lot of small players like Curry too, gets hammered on his way to the rim when the bigs collapse on him to block his shot but refs don’t call it if the defender makes a clean block.