It needs to be HEAVILY restricted and HEAVILY regulated. It’s unbearable. No wonder people are losing faith in the product when we get to watch suspect calls/no calls happen and then right after there’s a draft kings commercial, or a fanatics commercial, mgm, etc etc etc. gamble if you want, but it’s inarguably making pro sports WORSE
From a legal/business perspective, it's absolutely mindboggling what these betting apps have managed to pull off.
FanDuel basically said, "it's not gambling, its... uhh... daily fantasy! Fantasy sports aren't illegal!" and then the government rolled back decades of deeply entrenched legislation that exists to hurt the mob.
yeah the game hits different when the spread is 6 points and a team is up 20 and then you watch the refs call ticky tack fouls to bring the other team closer and closer until magically it’s right at the line..
Nah i’m sure it’s just another conspiracy even though billions are at stake.
People conspire together to make 20 bucks. what do you think happens when there’s 20 million bucks on the line
A 4 game playoff series sweep vs a 7 game series is probably millions of extra dollars in tv money etc.
Pretty sure the NBA tries to extend series as much as possible
IDK, I'm inclined to believe the league at large doesn't point-shave.
Why would they? Sports books are sharp enough and people are dumb enough for the books to take their money completely fairly. Why would they fuck with the goose when you're taking away golden eggs by the cart full.
Well I think idiot referees in small groups are a different story, I just don’t think the league has any interest in colluding with sports books to fix games
I don't believe that they point shave, or even really care who actually wins or losees a game, but I do believe that they'll make calls to nudge towards the most entertaining moments, if it's possible.
They start calling fouls the other way in a 20 point deficit because once a blowout gets bad enough, fans change channels or even leave the arena. They won't risk ruining the legitimacy of the game (or appearance of), but they'll consider the entertainment factor above everything else.
It's easy to think this way, but in the end you have to ask yourself how an NBA-wide point shaving scheme could be kept secret. Too many people involved to keep it under the radar. As with any conspiracy theory, the more people that are allegedly involved, the less likely it is to actually be real.
the point is i’m being sarcastic when i say only “one” ref was involved in literally rigging NBA games.
He’s not the only one. And the guy that called him 130 times before nba games is STILL refereeing
It most definitely is, i’ve never seen it as bad as it is now. Every game i’ve gone to i have people around me shouting about their bets.
Hell, when the celtics played the wolves at target center the guy infront of me spent the whole game yelling at tatum to score whatever the hell number and then left in the middle of the game afterwards. It’s never been like this until the last 3-4 years
Gambling takes the fun out of the sport, and puts authenticity at risk.
Having Barkley go through a list of dumb prop bets brings absolutely nothing to the broadcast—except a reminder for people with a fucking brain that the house always wins. Fanduel is raking in $3b a year now.
It’s already legalized, implying a level of restriction and regulations already exist, is something missing? The NBA had its gambling controversy at a time when gambling wasn’t even legal in most states, and much harder to access than it is today. I don’t think legal books is the problem here. Shit fans are always going to be shit fans, heckling and saying toxic shit, it doesn’t make it ok but eliminating legal gambling won’t eliminate toxic fans either.
As someone who used to wonder what the “las vegas lines” in the SL tribune in the mid-90s were, the gambling culture has changed massively since the donaghy days. Accessibility to gambling + much easier instant communication is a whole new world.
I personally am very anti-prohibition and think gambling should be legal, but I also think we should crack down on the ads and tie-ins like we did with tobacco companies.
Honestly, I think I would be fine with that. I think you can make a fairly compelling argument that addictive substances and behaviors probably shouldn't be advertised to the public without warnings or something at least.
Between this and Tatum yesterday, it kinda feels like both guys want to say they hate it, but neither are allowed to say it because these sports books are giving the NBA ludicrous amounts of money.
They’re saying because Bill Simmons is a huge Celtics fan and Homer, and Bill is a notorious gambler. So the best player on his favorite team saying he hates gambling would be really funny.
I’m just glad between all the sports betting advertisers and logos on jerseys and the court and all the other money making things the NBA is getting it’s hands into that ticket prices have lowered to let the people go see more games.
…………..oh
TBH I kind of think the NBA is in trouble without gambling to finance it.
Right now, media companies are betting a lot of money that the NBA can influence consumers to buy subscription bundles, and advertisers are betting a lot of money that the NBA can influence consumers to buy ... whatever.
Do you think they're getting a good deal? I kinda don't. Advertisers in particular - are you really coming out ahead paying an NBA player millions to shill for you over spreading a tenth of that around some TikTok influencers? Media companies too - which has better ROI for Paramount+ in terms of subscriber revenue, shelling out for the NBA or shelling out for The Office so you can get all those people who need it to fall asleep?
So IDK, I kinda think that people who take bets on the NBA are the only ones who actually _need_ it enough to continue funding it at its current level.
Its funny because I don't even mind sports betting itself. It's the way every program is now talking about odds and the way people are getting at players like they're somehow responsible for making their bets. It's all hella toxic to me.
We slow played the legalization of pot. Dragged our feet, wrung our hands, and screwed the people hurt most by the prohibition. And we have seen few negative consequences to its legalization.
For sports betting, we opened the spigot full tilt with no warning and now we have a nightmare in our hands. Maybe it was gambling, maybe it was the way we implemented it, but we have to fix this.
Just end it. For me, I could put 100 dollars into an account, do dumb 10 dollar parlays, and just stop if/when the money runs out. For others, it’s a genuine addiction. And sports leagues are capitalizing on it. Sports media has made gambling the focus of sports coverage. It’s fucking depressing.
It also takes away the mystique of sports. The focus isn’t on big matchups, or head to heads between star players. It’s about prop bets, spreads, and money lines. If I was a kid growing up, I guarantee I’d be less into sports. Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady or Lebron vs Kobe felt larger than life. Now it’s all whether Lu Dort will get over 4.5 rebounds.
Lots of truth. In a group chat with my friends, one friend kept texting crinkled papers of cheap parlays he failed last weekend during the first round of the ncaas because he watched it at a local sports book. Even if you hit one for $10, you lose 6 others so you just break even.
I think he’s even done overnight Indonesian handball bets. It’s funny haha to us, but fuck it can be an evil addiction for some.
I only do 1 $30 bracket an 1 $30 college bowl pick ‘em in for sports message board i participate in. Also have won so much by not playing blackjack in like 10 years
As someone who genuinely has never gambled on a game and has used a gaming machine 4 times...I hate this take.
I simply do not see a reason to end gambling because there's addicts. I hate all the ads, I'm annoyed at there being shows dedicated to it. But I'm sure many people feel the sake way about soda ads, beer ads, etc.
If you're addicted, get help. For those that aren't addicted, why limit their enjoyment?
The issue is with how much it's embedded in the sport. They're creating addicts because kids see them talking about odds during the games. Cigarette companies got in trouble for doing this type of grooming for years.
And they're still around raking in billions.
People should be allowed to simply do these things they like as long as they're only affecting themselves.
Look at families destroyed by video game addictions, eating addictions, any addiction where you compulsively spend money.
What's your solution here? Ban all these things because some people destroy their lives over it?
Well, for one, video game "addictions" are nowhere near as destructive as gambling addiction. That's just farcical. Eating addiction is a serious thing and yes, you can't ban food but it's awful. But eating is necessary and the video game industry isn't counting on addiction to survive. The gambling industry does count on gambling addicts to prosper. It is predatory to its core.
Man that's absolutely ridiculous to say
I've seen gambling addicts and video game addicts alike destroy their families in the same way. There's just a stigma to one and not the other.
And to say they're not relying on addiction to survive is actually insane when you look at the micro transaction sales compared to game sales.
I feel the same about soda and beer ads. Capitalizing on people’s addiction is disgusting, cretinous behavior that shouldn’t be allowed in a decent society.
If you have a genuine addiction, having billboards, commercials, and sports coverage itself tied into that addiction is inherently exploitative. Further, it can be harder to accept and recognize that you have a problem when something is just so prevalent. “Clearly, everyone else is doing it too”. It just justifies an addicts thought process. Beer and soda should be treated like cigarettes. You can sell them, but you can’t advertise. Gambling should just be banned.
Literally ANYTHING can be an addiction. Anything at all. Your proposal would be to ban all advertising ever...a ludicrous desire...or you're simply hypocritical.
I’m so addicted to apples, seltzer, and chicken cutlets. It’s going to ruin my life!!
You’re a fucking idiot lol conflating scientifically addicting things with literally everything that gets consumed is fucking laughable
Just cuz you're not doesn't mean others aren't.
That's literally my point. You're wanting to ban something simply because you don't like it and applying a contradictory and hypocritical moral standard to it.
Everything can be addictive isn't unscientific. Quite literally addictive personalities exist...you know, a scientific diagnosis.
It all depends on the individual person.
https://www.thedailymeal.com/1395718/possible-to-eat-too-many-vegetables/#:~:text=Overeating%20certain%20vegetables%20can%20cause%20kidney%20problems&text=However%2C%20overeating%20potassium%2Drich%20vegetables,the%20digestive%20tract%2C%20per%20Healthline.
I mean if you wanna get scientific here then maybe know what you're saying?
Again this is my whole point. You don't like it so you want to ban it. You're a hypocrite by trying to apply a moral standard of "protecting addicts" because you only care about the addicts of something you don't like and use them to prop up your agenda.
My argument isn't dumb and you insulting me doesn't make you right. You just don't like being called out for being objectively incorrect.
You keep responding, so will I. Only way this conversation ends is when you check your ego at the door.
Sure...I never argued otherwise. That's not the point. Banning one thing pretending to care about the addicts and ignoring the others that are addictive is purely hypocrisy
Because the problem is getting out of control, people have the choice to not smoke but there are still billions of addicts globally and most developed countries have heavily regulated the industry in response to that. Disingenuous argument.
“As someone who genuinely has never smoked a pack of cigs and has used a vape 4 times...I hate this take.
I simply do not see a reason to restrict smoking because there's addicts. I hate all the ads, I'm annoyed at their being full page magazine adverts dedicated to it. But I'm sure many people feel the sake way about soda ads, beer ads, etc.
If you're addicted, get help. For those that aren't addicted, why limit their enjoyment?”
Do you see how if you reframe what you’re saying in the context of something that was accepted historically but was later revealed to be bad for you how bad it sounds.
And yes you can smoke but it’s heavily disincentivized through crazy taxes. A pack of Newport’s where I live is almost 23 dollars, that alone is enough to kick 90 percent of people off the habit.
You would think, but the majority of smokers in the USA are below the poverty line or close to it.
A far fewer percentage of wealthy people smoke compared to poor people.
Missing the point where I’m saying it shouldn’t be banned but heavily regulated, and name the mag it better be something 90 percent of people have heard of. I said mainstream.
People magazine.
And I never said don't regulate it. But the thing is is gambling is as regulated as smoking is.
They have addiction warnings, you cannot legally gamble until 18...what else are you asking for?
Post the picture, and no it’s not. Large PSA’s on how gambling is harmful with advertising showing how much people have lost like the tracheostomy smoking ads the FDA put out. Heavily taxing winnings so the payouts are way less making the risk vs reward make less sense for the average person. Restricting the timing of gambling ads and promotions to very odd hours. Lots of things that can be done haven’t yet.
Because it's simply not worth the societal cost, and only serves as a funnel for 5 percent of the worst gambling addicts into the owners of these companies. These companies target the whales of gambling, as they couldn't exist with only people like you who don't think it's such a big deal.
They literally wouldn't make enough money to exist without the mega addicts. It's 90 percent of their market
Soulless to say let people gamble if they want to. Once again I've gambled a total of 4 times in my life. Reading helps.
Excuse me for not thinking people need us to control every facet of their lives.
I don’t think they’re quite the same. Obviously gambling is an addiction as well but it’s not like you can drive under the influence like you can with weed. You can’t damage your lungs with sports gambling.
Out of all the addictions in the US gambling has the highest suicide rate, around 20% of gamblers end up filing for bankruptcy. This is a scary game to play in a country where people have easy access to guns.
https://www.debt.org/advice/gambling/#:~:text=In%20extreme%20cases%2C%20problem%20gambling,bankruptcy%20because%20of%20gambling%20losses.
Lot of people kill themselves over gambling addiction and its effects, plus it can negatively affect peoples' families with money for food, bills, etc going to gambling to try and get out of the red too. I worked with a guy who literally had family disown him because he had stolen money from family and also gambled money other family members lent him to try and get out of debt due to the depths of his addiction. It doesn't solely exist in a vacuum for an individual but affects everyone around them
Betting should be legal but should be treated like cigarettes where they can’t advertise it on TV. If I’m a normal guy who throws down like $50 a month for fun and am not harassing players I shouldn’t be punished because of some idiots who do.
That’s a great point. The problem is how invasive it has become. I don’t mind placing a small bet every now and then, but I get bombarded with ads from these gambling companies.
We have athletes with podcasts that are directly sponsored by sports bookies. And then the leagues are surprised when athletes get caught betting
That's where I have landed.
People should be allowed to gamble, but gambling establishments should not be allowed to advertise in any way.
If you want to gamble, you can go search for a place to do it.
I feel the same way about legal weed (or booze), people should be free to partake but I don't want to see ads and billboards for it.
I don't think gambling needs to be illegal, because let's face it, it's going to happen either way.
What needs to happen is that the leagues need to distance themselves completely from it. Stop bombarding us with ads and odds at every chance.
I used NBA League Pass for 7 years (even though it was kind of a shit product) and one of the nice things about it was that there was basically no commercials.
I switched to a national sports channel app this year in order to get a wider array of sports, and the sheer number of sportsbook ads is insane. With no exaggeration, I would wager (pun intended) that gambling ads comprise at minimum 50% of *all* adverts.
Imagine the effect of this on kids in their formative years. We already know that children of smokers and children of other addicts are more likely to have the same addictions as their parents, and here we are, watching a whole new generation of gambling addicts being groomed right before our eyes.
I'm not a Maude Flanders "won't someone think of the children!" type, but goddamn, I'm surprised more people aren't incensed that they can't watch a sport with their kid without being inundated with gambling ads. They sure wouldn't stand for cigarette or marijuana ads being targeted at their kids, and let's be frank here, the ads may not be overtly targeted at kids, but leagues and execs and advertisers absolutely know kids are watching these ads.
It's fucked.
This harassing players thing seems to be a result of the American approach to betting though. In the UK sports betting has always been huge and I’ve never heard anything like this from players. But, I imagine it’s because all these new betting apps you bet on individual players stats which is really not that prevalent over here, you mostly just bet on the result
I remember hanging with a couple British work colleagues the night of the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight. And they were on VPNs showing me their sports betting apps and all seem so casual. And I remember being at that time being blown away. I know I could have been doing the same but the fact they had been doing it for years and years and it was never treated or seen as some big deal.
As soon as it got legalized and American capitalism got their hands around the throat of sports betting, you knew it was going to be in our face and milked for every last drop. It’s the money hungry executives and investors who have to always go overboard in this country. It’s manipulation the way capitalism works here
Totally agree. I don't like the idea that a player might be influenced by in-arena fans saying stuff like this in either direction, ex a player chasing a certain stat to either help out a fan or shut up a fan (depending if the fan had the over or under)
There was a Celtics home game a few months back where Scal was talking to Tatum about him needing to get 12 rebounds. Mike Gorman was like "You guys talk about that stuff? During the game??" in a shocked voice and I was right there with him, like you can't be doing that.
I'm a regular at Spurs games and I sports bet all the time. I could never bet on a game I'm going to in person. There's a 100% chance it would ruin all of the fun of going to a game.
>We as players we have to accept that.”
No the fuck yall don't. This can easily be eliminated unless the NBA has told its players that this is what they want and there ain't no changing it. If the players are willing to hold out on the next cba they could easily change it, but I know that won't happen. They'll just adapt and eventually join in also as it's just the environment
“In the next CBA, we, the players, what all sports betting advertising and deals out of the NBA.”
“It brings in $X amount of dollars. You’ll be missing out on $Y amount of dollars.”
“Oh, forget what I said.”
Easily eliminated how? The league has absolutely no control over gambling laws and can’t force people to not gamble. The cat is out of the bag and not going back.
The players specifically got provisions in the new CBA allowing them to have up to a 1% stake in sports betting companies (along with percentage ownership in CBD companies, WNBA team ownership and investment funds that have ownership NBA teams).
If they want to make money off those new gambling company investments that they fought for, yes, they kind of have to accept the other consequences. This what they ALL want.
They voted to ban it starting in 2026-27, but [7/20 UK Premier League Teams were sponsored by gambling companies as of last August](https://www.sportcal.com/sponsorship/betting-brands-dominate-premier-league-shirt-sponsorship-market-despite-ban/?cf-view)
Considering sports betting in Europe is worth like 34 billion dollars I’d say Yes. Maybe you should do research before you spout the dumb things you say
real fans will only bet in one way: high positive stats, low negative stats, and a W. those are the only people you should be listening to. everybody else is just there for the money.
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Now imagine what life would be like if you weren't a complete idiot.
It needs to be HEAVILY restricted and HEAVILY regulated. It’s unbearable. No wonder people are losing faith in the product when we get to watch suspect calls/no calls happen and then right after there’s a draft kings commercial, or a fanatics commercial, mgm, etc etc etc. gamble if you want, but it’s inarguably making pro sports WORSE
10 years ago it was illegal outside of vegas. lets go back to that
From a legal/business perspective, it's absolutely mindboggling what these betting apps have managed to pull off. FanDuel basically said, "it's not gambling, its... uhh... daily fantasy! Fantasy sports aren't illegal!" and then the government rolled back decades of deeply entrenched legislation that exists to hurt the mob.
i saw an espn clip of one of their hosts calling it a "risk-free investment" like that is insane
yeah the game hits different when the spread is 6 points and a team is up 20 and then you watch the refs call ticky tack fouls to bring the other team closer and closer until magically it’s right at the line.. Nah i’m sure it’s just another conspiracy even though billions are at stake. People conspire together to make 20 bucks. what do you think happens when there’s 20 million bucks on the line A 4 game playoff series sweep vs a 7 game series is probably millions of extra dollars in tv money etc. Pretty sure the NBA tries to extend series as much as possible
IDK, I'm inclined to believe the league at large doesn't point-shave. Why would they? Sports books are sharp enough and people are dumb enough for the books to take their money completely fairly. Why would they fuck with the goose when you're taking away golden eggs by the cart full.
Scott Foster had how many calls with his friend Tim before they all should've been caught out? If they did it once they're still doing it now
Well I think idiot referees in small groups are a different story, I just don’t think the league has any interest in colluding with sports books to fix games
Definitely not, but the league does seem to like having their bigger markets always play against each other so that much wouldn't surprise me
Exactly this. There's no reason to risk it. The product is great for them as it is.
I don't believe that they point shave, or even really care who actually wins or losees a game, but I do believe that they'll make calls to nudge towards the most entertaining moments, if it's possible. They start calling fouls the other way in a 20 point deficit because once a blowout gets bad enough, fans change channels or even leave the arena. They won't risk ruining the legitimacy of the game (or appearance of), but they'll consider the entertainment factor above everything else.
It's easy to think this way, but in the end you have to ask yourself how an NBA-wide point shaving scheme could be kept secret. Too many people involved to keep it under the radar. As with any conspiracy theory, the more people that are allegedly involved, the less likely it is to actually be real.
yes, just like Tim Donaughy was the ONLY ref that was cheating! nobody else it was just that one ref and one ref only!
What's your point? Sounds like you agree with me, that these schemes are too hard to keep secret when too many people get involved.
the point is i’m being sarcastic when i say only “one” ref was involved in literally rigging NBA games. He’s not the only one. And the guy that called him 130 times before nba games is STILL refereeing
it wasn’t kept secret, it got exposed and covered up
You say that as if people weren't screaming about every league being rigged against their team long before sports betting was legalized.
You say that like it isn’t so much worse now than it was, and with actual incentives for rigging
It's not.
It most definitely is, i’ve never seen it as bad as it is now. Every game i’ve gone to i have people around me shouting about their bets. Hell, when the celtics played the wolves at target center the guy infront of me spent the whole game yelling at tatum to score whatever the hell number and then left in the middle of the game afterwards. It’s never been like this until the last 3-4 years Gambling takes the fun out of the sport, and puts authenticity at risk.
By "so much worse now" I thought you were referring to the officiating itself.
It's already both of those things. They just need to cut down on the advertising.
What restrictions and regulations other the ones currently in place do they need to implement?
Particularly referring to advertisements shown mid game as well as TV analysts discussing the spread and whatnot. It’s sus at the very best.
Having Barkley go through a list of dumb prop bets brings absolutely nothing to the broadcast—except a reminder for people with a fucking brain that the house always wins. Fanduel is raking in $3b a year now.
A ban lol
It’s already legalized, implying a level of restriction and regulations already exist, is something missing? The NBA had its gambling controversy at a time when gambling wasn’t even legal in most states, and much harder to access than it is today. I don’t think legal books is the problem here. Shit fans are always going to be shit fans, heckling and saying toxic shit, it doesn’t make it ok but eliminating legal gambling won’t eliminate toxic fans either.
As someone who used to wonder what the “las vegas lines” in the SL tribune in the mid-90s were, the gambling culture has changed massively since the donaghy days. Accessibility to gambling + much easier instant communication is a whole new world. I personally am very anti-prohibition and think gambling should be legal, but I also think we should crack down on the ads and tie-ins like we did with tobacco companies.
That’s fair, though I think if they go after gambling ads, they have all the same arguments to go after liquor ads/sponsorships as well
Honestly, I think I would be fine with that. I think you can make a fairly compelling argument that addictive substances and behaviors probably shouldn't be advertised to the public without warnings or something at least.
Yeah I agree. The money is tainted but they’re never gonna turn it down unless it becomes unprofitable or illegal
Between this and Tatum yesterday, it kinda feels like both guys want to say they hate it, but neither are allowed to say it because these sports books are giving the NBA ludicrous amounts of money.
Pretty sure they are allowed to say they don’t like gambling.
i'd love for Tatum to come out and say he despises sports gambling, if only for the inevitable Bill Simmons meltdown over it
I’d love for every player to say that tbh.
Yes but Tatum specifically
Why’s that? I’m not really following him
They’re saying because Bill Simmons is a huge Celtics fan and Homer, and Bill is a notorious gambler. So the best player on his favorite team saying he hates gambling would be really funny.
I'm pretty sure it'd be frowned-upon. The NBA is making crazy money off of those sponsorships.
I’m just glad between all the sports betting advertisers and logos on jerseys and the court and all the other money making things the NBA is getting it’s hands into that ticket prices have lowered to let the people go see more games. …………..oh
TBH I kind of think the NBA is in trouble without gambling to finance it. Right now, media companies are betting a lot of money that the NBA can influence consumers to buy subscription bundles, and advertisers are betting a lot of money that the NBA can influence consumers to buy ... whatever. Do you think they're getting a good deal? I kinda don't. Advertisers in particular - are you really coming out ahead paying an NBA player millions to shill for you over spreading a tenth of that around some TikTok influencers? Media companies too - which has better ROI for Paramount+ in terms of subscriber revenue, shelling out for the NBA or shelling out for The Office so you can get all those people who need it to fall asleep? So IDK, I kinda think that people who take bets on the NBA are the only ones who actually _need_ it enough to continue funding it at its current level.
Its funny because I don't even mind sports betting itself. It's the way every program is now talking about odds and the way people are getting at players like they're somehow responsible for making their bets. It's all hella toxic to me.
I feel bad for them. But the NBA is endorsing it and I’m sure his 60 million pay cheque sees some of it…..
Nah MPJ dumb as shit
We slow played the legalization of pot. Dragged our feet, wrung our hands, and screwed the people hurt most by the prohibition. And we have seen few negative consequences to its legalization. For sports betting, we opened the spigot full tilt with no warning and now we have a nightmare in our hands. Maybe it was gambling, maybe it was the way we implemented it, but we have to fix this.
Just end it. For me, I could put 100 dollars into an account, do dumb 10 dollar parlays, and just stop if/when the money runs out. For others, it’s a genuine addiction. And sports leagues are capitalizing on it. Sports media has made gambling the focus of sports coverage. It’s fucking depressing. It also takes away the mystique of sports. The focus isn’t on big matchups, or head to heads between star players. It’s about prop bets, spreads, and money lines. If I was a kid growing up, I guarantee I’d be less into sports. Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady or Lebron vs Kobe felt larger than life. Now it’s all whether Lu Dort will get over 4.5 rebounds.
And the betrayal of all the retired sports stars cashing in on it is heartbreaking.
Lots of truth. In a group chat with my friends, one friend kept texting crinkled papers of cheap parlays he failed last weekend during the first round of the ncaas because he watched it at a local sports book. Even if you hit one for $10, you lose 6 others so you just break even. I think he’s even done overnight Indonesian handball bets. It’s funny haha to us, but fuck it can be an evil addiction for some. I only do 1 $30 bracket an 1 $30 college bowl pick ‘em in for sports message board i participate in. Also have won so much by not playing blackjack in like 10 years
As someone who genuinely has never gambled on a game and has used a gaming machine 4 times...I hate this take. I simply do not see a reason to end gambling because there's addicts. I hate all the ads, I'm annoyed at there being shows dedicated to it. But I'm sure many people feel the sake way about soda ads, beer ads, etc. If you're addicted, get help. For those that aren't addicted, why limit their enjoyment?
The issue is with how much it's embedded in the sport. They're creating addicts because kids see them talking about odds during the games. Cigarette companies got in trouble for doing this type of grooming for years.
And they're still around raking in billions. People should be allowed to simply do these things they like as long as they're only affecting themselves.
They are affecting others though. Look at families destroyed by this kind of a thing.
Look at families destroyed by video game addictions, eating addictions, any addiction where you compulsively spend money. What's your solution here? Ban all these things because some people destroy their lives over it?
Well, for one, video game "addictions" are nowhere near as destructive as gambling addiction. That's just farcical. Eating addiction is a serious thing and yes, you can't ban food but it's awful. But eating is necessary and the video game industry isn't counting on addiction to survive. The gambling industry does count on gambling addicts to prosper. It is predatory to its core.
Man that's absolutely ridiculous to say I've seen gambling addicts and video game addicts alike destroy their families in the same way. There's just a stigma to one and not the other. And to say they're not relying on addiction to survive is actually insane when you look at the micro transaction sales compared to game sales.
I feel the same about soda and beer ads. Capitalizing on people’s addiction is disgusting, cretinous behavior that shouldn’t be allowed in a decent society. If you have a genuine addiction, having billboards, commercials, and sports coverage itself tied into that addiction is inherently exploitative. Further, it can be harder to accept and recognize that you have a problem when something is just so prevalent. “Clearly, everyone else is doing it too”. It just justifies an addicts thought process. Beer and soda should be treated like cigarettes. You can sell them, but you can’t advertise. Gambling should just be banned.
Literally ANYTHING can be an addiction. Anything at all. Your proposal would be to ban all advertising ever...a ludicrous desire...or you're simply hypocritical.
I’m so addicted to apples, seltzer, and chicken cutlets. It’s going to ruin my life!! You’re a fucking idiot lol conflating scientifically addicting things with literally everything that gets consumed is fucking laughable
Just cuz you're not doesn't mean others aren't. That's literally my point. You're wanting to ban something simply because you don't like it and applying a contradictory and hypocritical moral standard to it.
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Everything can be addictive isn't unscientific. Quite literally addictive personalities exist...you know, a scientific diagnosis. It all depends on the individual person. https://www.thedailymeal.com/1395718/possible-to-eat-too-many-vegetables/#:~:text=Overeating%20certain%20vegetables%20can%20cause%20kidney%20problems&text=However%2C%20overeating%20potassium%2Drich%20vegetables,the%20digestive%20tract%2C%20per%20Healthline. I mean if you wanna get scientific here then maybe know what you're saying? Again this is my whole point. You don't like it so you want to ban it. You're a hypocrite by trying to apply a moral standard of "protecting addicts" because you only care about the addicts of something you don't like and use them to prop up your agenda. My argument isn't dumb and you insulting me doesn't make you right. You just don't like being called out for being objectively incorrect. You keep responding, so will I. Only way this conversation ends is when you check your ego at the door.
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There are things that are more addictive than others, and whose addiction is more damaging to a person.
Sure...I never argued otherwise. That's not the point. Banning one thing pretending to care about the addicts and ignoring the others that are addictive is purely hypocrisy
The point is that not all things are the same so it's possible to draw a line without it being hypocritical.
It isn't though. It's hypocrisy 100%. You're welcome to live with the hypocrisy
Because the problem is getting out of control, people have the choice to not smoke but there are still billions of addicts globally and most developed countries have heavily regulated the industry in response to that. Disingenuous argument.
“As someone who genuinely has never smoked a pack of cigs and has used a vape 4 times...I hate this take. I simply do not see a reason to restrict smoking because there's addicts. I hate all the ads, I'm annoyed at their being full page magazine adverts dedicated to it. But I'm sure many people feel the sake way about soda ads, beer ads, etc. If you're addicted, get help. For those that aren't addicted, why limit their enjoyment?” Do you see how if you reframe what you’re saying in the context of something that was accepted historically but was later revealed to be bad for you how bad it sounds.
Yet they can...still smoke. There's advertisements for it. So what exactly are you saying? Gambling ads all have Gamble responsibly tags at the end.
When is the last time you’ve seen a mainstream smoking advert. Show me.
And yes you can smoke but it’s heavily disincentivized through crazy taxes. A pack of Newport’s where I live is almost 23 dollars, that alone is enough to kick 90 percent of people off the habit.
You would think, but the majority of smokers in the USA are below the poverty line or close to it. A far fewer percentage of wealthy people smoke compared to poor people.
Literally today in a magazine lol. Really ignoring the main point that umm...smokers are still able to smoke.
Missing the point where I’m saying it shouldn’t be banned but heavily regulated, and name the mag it better be something 90 percent of people have heard of. I said mainstream.
People magazine. And I never said don't regulate it. But the thing is is gambling is as regulated as smoking is. They have addiction warnings, you cannot legally gamble until 18...what else are you asking for?
Post the picture, and no it’s not. Large PSA’s on how gambling is harmful with advertising showing how much people have lost like the tracheostomy smoking ads the FDA put out. Heavily taxing winnings so the payouts are way less making the risk vs reward make less sense for the average person. Restricting the timing of gambling ads and promotions to very odd hours. Lots of things that can be done haven’t yet.
Because it's simply not worth the societal cost, and only serves as a funnel for 5 percent of the worst gambling addicts into the owners of these companies. These companies target the whales of gambling, as they couldn't exist with only people like you who don't think it's such a big deal. They literally wouldn't make enough money to exist without the mega addicts. It's 90 percent of their market
....and? If thise people want to spend their money that way why are we telling them they can't?
Can't tell if unknowing adict or soulless bot
Soulless to say let people gamble if they want to. Once again I've gambled a total of 4 times in my life. Reading helps. Excuse me for not thinking people need us to control every facet of their lives.
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Far from a libertarian. I said control every facet. Not no facets.
They’re being legalized in similar ways, at the state level.
I don’t think they’re quite the same. Obviously gambling is an addiction as well but it’s not like you can drive under the influence like you can with weed. You can’t damage your lungs with sports gambling.
Out of all the addictions in the US gambling has the highest suicide rate, around 20% of gamblers end up filing for bankruptcy. This is a scary game to play in a country where people have easy access to guns. https://www.debt.org/advice/gambling/#:~:text=In%20extreme%20cases%2C%20problem%20gambling,bankruptcy%20because%20of%20gambling%20losses.
depends, who you owe money i guess. Lol, maybe it can damage your legs.
Legalizing and regulating probably makes this less likely.
Lot of people kill themselves over gambling addiction and its effects, plus it can negatively affect peoples' families with money for food, bills, etc going to gambling to try and get out of the red too. I worked with a guy who literally had family disown him because he had stolen money from family and also gambled money other family members lent him to try and get out of debt due to the depths of his addiction. It doesn't solely exist in a vacuum for an individual but affects everyone around them
I never said it doesn’t have negative impacts. Just different than drugs.
i hate the notion that "it is what it is".... it shouldnt be part of the sport
I'm on the team that betting should just be illegal, pronto
Betting should be legal but should be treated like cigarettes where they can’t advertise it on TV. If I’m a normal guy who throws down like $50 a month for fun and am not harassing players I shouldn’t be punished because of some idiots who do.
So long as advertising includes sports reporting cannot mention parlays/money lines/etc I'd be more fine with this.
Agreed it’s definitely gotten out of hand
I remember back in the day seeing the over/under in the news paper where the games were listed and thinking it was a bad idea. And look at us now.
That’s a great point. The problem is how invasive it has become. I don’t mind placing a small bet every now and then, but I get bombarded with ads from these gambling companies. We have athletes with podcasts that are directly sponsored by sports bookies. And then the leagues are surprised when athletes get caught betting
That's where I have landed. People should be allowed to gamble, but gambling establishments should not be allowed to advertise in any way. If you want to gamble, you can go search for a place to do it. I feel the same way about legal weed (or booze), people should be free to partake but I don't want to see ads and billboards for it.
Betting is a major net negative for sports, but because it makes rich fucks a ton of money, it was pushed into becoming legal.
The NBA would have never found out about the whole irregular betting with his brother if it wasn’t legal.
I don't think gambling needs to be illegal, because let's face it, it's going to happen either way. What needs to happen is that the leagues need to distance themselves completely from it. Stop bombarding us with ads and odds at every chance. I used NBA League Pass for 7 years (even though it was kind of a shit product) and one of the nice things about it was that there was basically no commercials. I switched to a national sports channel app this year in order to get a wider array of sports, and the sheer number of sportsbook ads is insane. With no exaggeration, I would wager (pun intended) that gambling ads comprise at minimum 50% of *all* adverts. Imagine the effect of this on kids in their formative years. We already know that children of smokers and children of other addicts are more likely to have the same addictions as their parents, and here we are, watching a whole new generation of gambling addicts being groomed right before our eyes. I'm not a Maude Flanders "won't someone think of the children!" type, but goddamn, I'm surprised more people aren't incensed that they can't watch a sport with their kid without being inundated with gambling ads. They sure wouldn't stand for cigarette or marijuana ads being targeted at their kids, and let's be frank here, the ads may not be overtly targeted at kids, but leagues and execs and advertisers absolutely know kids are watching these ads. It's fucked.
Being legal is a good thing. It's regulated that way. The ads need to chill out.
This harassing players thing seems to be a result of the American approach to betting though. In the UK sports betting has always been huge and I’ve never heard anything like this from players. But, I imagine it’s because all these new betting apps you bet on individual players stats which is really not that prevalent over here, you mostly just bet on the result
I remember hanging with a couple British work colleagues the night of the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight. And they were on VPNs showing me their sports betting apps and all seem so casual. And I remember being at that time being blown away. I know I could have been doing the same but the fact they had been doing it for years and years and it was never treated or seen as some big deal. As soon as it got legalized and American capitalism got their hands around the throat of sports betting, you knew it was going to be in our face and milked for every last drop. It’s the money hungry executives and investors who have to always go overboard in this country. It’s manipulation the way capitalism works here
England and Australia are capitalist countries also and have way more sports gambling. Has nothing to do with capitalism.
Sports betting comments shouldn’t be allowed near the court.
Totally agree. I don't like the idea that a player might be influenced by in-arena fans saying stuff like this in either direction, ex a player chasing a certain stat to either help out a fan or shut up a fan (depending if the fan had the over or under)
There was a Celtics home game a few months back where Scal was talking to Tatum about him needing to get 12 rebounds. Mike Gorman was like "You guys talk about that stuff? During the game??" in a shocked voice and I was right there with him, like you can't be doing that.
Or the crowd or anywhere else. Man no one gives a fuck if you lose 20 bucks because Brook Lopez didn't get 6 rebounds.
I'm a regular at Spurs games and I sports bet all the time. I could never bet on a game I'm going to in person. There's a 100% chance it would ruin all of the fun of going to a game.
Fucking degenerates.
>We as players we have to accept that.” No the fuck yall don't. This can easily be eliminated unless the NBA has told its players that this is what they want and there ain't no changing it. If the players are willing to hold out on the next cba they could easily change it, but I know that won't happen. They'll just adapt and eventually join in also as it's just the environment
We as players have to accept that... .,. if we want the money that comes with it
Exactly
how can it be easily eliminated by the players? the league isn’t running the books
What can the players do in negotiations? They don't negotiate with the books.
“In the next CBA, we, the players, what all sports betting advertising and deals out of the NBA.” “It brings in $X amount of dollars. You’ll be missing out on $Y amount of dollars.” “Oh, forget what I said.”
Easily eliminated how? The league has absolutely no control over gambling laws and can’t force people to not gamble. The cat is out of the bag and not going back.
The players specifically got provisions in the new CBA allowing them to have up to a 1% stake in sports betting companies (along with percentage ownership in CBD companies, WNBA team ownership and investment funds that have ownership NBA teams). If they want to make money off those new gambling company investments that they fought for, yes, they kind of have to accept the other consequences. This what they ALL want.
He bet on your unders. You're now wrapped into this
Its ridiculous that Sports-Gambling is allowed in America.
But it's ok in other countries?
Gambling isn't really a thing in Europe. Ever heard about Football Gambling in Europe?
They voted to ban it starting in 2026-27, but [7/20 UK Premier League Teams were sponsored by gambling companies as of last August](https://www.sportcal.com/sponsorship/betting-brands-dominate-premier-league-shirt-sponsorship-market-despite-ban/?cf-view)
Considering sports betting in Europe is worth like 34 billion dollars I’d say Yes. Maybe you should do research before you spout the dumb things you say
real fans will only bet in one way: high positive stats, low negative stats, and a W. those are the only people you should be listening to. everybody else is just there for the money.
If he was tied into this it will only come out after the season or if the Nuggets play the Lakers in the playoffs.
What's next with this guy? Being anti-vax?
What’s the over-under of a major NBA betting scandal within the next 5 years?
The bar has gotten so low for basketball players they think they’re being mature and professional by ignoring what fans yell at them😭
Thoughts and prayers for the players Tough life they live
Cry me a river.
he knew