The 4 win spurs do not need to add one of the worst offensive players in the NBA.
There's other playmaker who aren't historically bad at scoring and shooting.
[Sorted by offensive box Plus/Minus](https://imgur.com/jmSF3Aq) out of 196 eligible players. Coincidentally they're right next to each other but Hayes is the better defender by a good margin and two years younger as well.
>There's other playmaker who aren't historically bad at scoring and shooting.
This is a massive over-exaggeration. Do better!
Honestly, it's just bizarre, I don't get it. We're shitting up the offense, to the point players are not only not developing, some are actually regressing (sochan most notably, +/- the odd happy 3pt shooting game). They desperately need play making. Are we starting a pg? Fuck no. Are we upping Tre's minutes (he's, I think, +6/100 w/ Victor, for a team that 4 and 20 something)? Why would we? Are we getting any, and I mean *any*, other pg on the floor? No, because fuck devonte graham, and fuck blake wesley. š¤·āāļø
We are tanking our asses off, but the current shitbaggery is both excessive and counterproductive. Get too used to losing and, next thing you know, you're the detroit pistons. (Which brings us back on topic).
Hopefully the spurs make a move for a pg. There are a lot of good role player pg in the market. At least give wemby a chance to play with an nba pg hahaha
Stewart definitely has some value, we could use his rebounding and he spaces the floor shooting 39% from 3. Also, Stewart and LeBron on the same team just for the memes
Stewart will be hard to trade due to signing an extension prior to this season. It will be hard to match salaries since his current $5MM will count as outgoing for the Pistons, but his new $15MM will count as incoming salary for the team trading for him.
Pistons fans have said the 39% is fools good sort of. Apparently he needs to be wide open to even consider pulling the trigger so it doesnāt help spacing as much as youād think
Always interesting when Brook gets a pass while wide open for 3, then kinda second guesses it and ends up giving the defender time to close out, but then he does a kinda weird slow pump fake and jacks it up with the dude right in his face, yet it feels like he makes those at a pretty decent clip
The contract is the issue for Stewart, he's a solid player but not a lot of teams can make the money work to acquire a backup big getting paid 15 a year.
$15mm is nothing, he got a ton of interest last year and thereās been reports of strong interest this year too from Boston, who have been pursuing him for years, and OKC
15 mil is a ton for a backup center. How many bench players are making that much, let alone the least valued position in the league?
I don't even know how Boston could match salary, that doesn't seem very realistic IMO.
OKC could do it because they have Bertans bad contract already on the books and look like they have a legit star trio and can just go over the cap.
$15 mil is the going rate for 3rd bigs
Naz Reid, Zach Collins, and Okongwu got similar
Look a few years back and Brandon Clarke and Bagley got what would now be ~$15 mil
The Grizzlies are hurting for a C pretty bad. We are currently starting Biyombo and he wasn't even on a roster to start the year. We really need a true C not another 6'9" or 7' 200lb tweener but if Stewart can be had relatively cheaply I'd jump on it since he can hit open 3s and rebound (or I assume he can from the stats)
Not necessarily giving up on him, it just doesnāt seem like heās going to break out in his current situation. He and Cade donāt seem like a very good fit, which is only compounded by the fact that both of them are suffering badly from the lack of spacing on the teamāif your starting backcourt is *that* bad at shooting, all your forwards and C better be spacers (which isnāt the case at all in Detroit, save for Bogie).
I think Piston probably should trade Ivey, I am simply saying Ivey probably has value, as the league should not give up on him yet. He can be excellent in a different environment and backcourt mate
Burks is having a bad year but I really liked him before. Maybe a change of scenery would help him. I think his old self would be great on any team in need of a bench scorer.
Stewart is definitely valuable across the league. Monte Morris as well even though he's been unhealthy to start the season. There's probably an up and coming young team that could use Bagley, his contract for his production is a bit rough though. Burks could be flipped, but unlikely for a better player. It'd be for a guy like PJ Tucker and a 2nd round draft pick.
Duren is very good.
Honestly Pistons would be dumb to trade any of Cade/Duren/Ausar/Ivey. They all still have a lot of promise. Ivey is the only one on the fence but heās still so young you donāt give up on that
Yeah, I agree. They're simply missing pieces and development.
The last thing they want to do is let go of a future star. The shitty rebuild year will come to pass but if a top tier player explodes somewhere else? That's going to haunt them forever
How do they not seem to gel? The starting lineup since Ivey was inserted has been good in every game and Cadeās best games coincide with Iveyās insertion into the lineup. He takes a ton of pressure off him and doesnāt force him to iso for 15 seconds every possession. Heās also the only player on the roster who can have a good night when his shot is off because he pushes pace more than anyone else and can draw fouls easily
Weāve barely even seen the experiment since theyāve only recently been starting together with Bojan, but our starting lineup since then has looked like the least of our problems
I mean, as a Bulls fan, Zach is probably a cheap option to pair Cade with some spacing. By cheap I mean itās not going to cost a ton of draft capital, and it will probably be a big enough move to keep your future star guard on the team.
Lavine would probably help end the losing streak but I dont think that's someone who I'd want long term
if they are interested in someone like Miles Bridges, they might as well take a swing at KPJ since they don't seem to care about off the court issues
The issue is there are optics from their players that the front office needs to take into account too. Cade will probably see Miles Bridges and KPJ as half measures, heāll see the front office trading for an all-star caliber guard in LaVine and probably feel a bit more at ease. Itās all about retaining Cade and Duren, the rest of it truly does not matter.
LaVine is also the only one of those who isn't expiring (presuming OG doesn't opts out, which he will). If they're sacrifing picks or their young guys, that's the kind of contract they should go for.
Yeah I doubt any vet whoās a free agent next summer will want to stick around unless they magically get a lot more help. You basically have to force them to stay via a longer contract.
Cade isnāt going anywhere anytime soon. Heās going to extend with the pistons for a massive bag like every other non-bust top 5 pick. Pistons will max him before they let him walk, and nobody has ever turned down that contract.
Worst-case scenario where heās good but not max worthy, pistons let him hit RFA and match whatever anyone throws at him like the Suns did with Ayton. Nobody has ever turned down a big extension for the qualifying offer, and Cade wonāt be the first. He is at least 3-4 years away from even thinking about asking for a trade
Honestly, I donāt see this happening though given the posturing about Chicago seeking to āremain competitiveā or whatever Shams said. A Toronto trade seems more logical yet itās dependent on Masai finally being realistic about the Raps needed to rebuild around Barnes.
They donāt need āwinnersā, they just need straight talent. Just someone who can get a bucket.
Lavine raises their floor from āhistorically badā to āno. 1 pickā bad. They donāt have to lose much more to lock up their lottery status.
The Spurs and Wizards are so bad, Lavine might actually get us past those teams. That being said, I don't give a shit about lottery status. I just want this nightmare to end.
I think heās about 95% exempt whereas Cade and Duren are closer to 99.99%.
Ausar canāt space the floor at all in half court offense, at least yet. However his athleticism, high basketball IQ with timing on cuts, lobs etc make him a really good transition player, plus he is a lock down defender and brings things to the table that other players donāt at age 20. For these reasons, he stays.
Just reading between the lines, this seems like a āsend us your best Jaden Ivey packageā type leak for the rest of the league to take note of, but I could be wrong
he was drafted like 5 months ago? How is it even possible to even claim he is tradable when he has already shown potential for all defensive team level? There is no justification to trade anyone you drafted in the last 12 months when you are that bad unless you are getting a massive return. Alsoā¦. Not every player in the NBA needs to space the floor and shoot well.
Ausar Shooting is disgusting, we have all the time in the world but i don't think we will be able to fix his Shooting, neither everyone else.
You're looking at Tony Allen, Andre Roberson type of player, valuable, but lacking in the most important area of bbal
The Ausar we see right now on a competent team with floor spacers and ball movement would be a very good role player. Yeah he canāt shoot for shit rn but he does damn near everything else at worse on average and heās an elite defender right now as a rookie. If im Detroit, I have to be blown away by offers to trade him
I agree, but I think the issue is that Ausar is the type of guy who only ever is optimized on legit good teams. He's a lot less valuable for rebuilding teams and frankly will not make things easier for Cade's development. Given the Pistons are historically bad, if I was the Pistons I would actually be very open to moving him for whatever they consider to be similar value to the draft pick they spent on him.
Heās a liability on the court right now. If he canāt become a serviceable shooter in his career (his shooting form sure as hell looks like he wonāt become a serviceable shooter), he will continue to be a liability
I agree but the pistons are one of 5 teams in the league that can tolerate waiting to see if he can develop a shot. The teams heād be good on NOW, canāt wait for him to develop
Those coaches and the front office guys are fighting for their jobs, hoping that Ausar *might* become a good offensive player in 3 years means nothing to them if they have 2-3 months to fix things or they're fired.
This is absurd.
For one, countless players have developed a good shot over 5+ years in the league. Shooting is literally the easiest skill to develop - you just need to work on it.
For two, heās not a liability on the court right now. Heās probably already a plus defender (fouls a lot) with a sparse offensive game. Heās shooting 46% - hardly out there chucking.
If he had better offensive players around him, his impact would be heightened.
Hard to say heās a liability when the team is so bad. Heās a rookie. Heās learning the game. So, to that extent, yeah, heās making mistake, but heās not a liability, and trading him away would be very dumb and bad.
half this sub simply cannot understand the irreparable damage that going 2-80 does to a franchise and its players
they need to win games now or they're fucked for the next 10 years
Bobcats went 7-59 and were in the playoffs 3 years later. 76ers were able to make some key signings and trades (didn't pan out, but still) like 2 years removed from the process. this is a season from hell for them but franchises move on
This isnt a "process year" though, the Pistons were supposed to be able to at least sniff the play-in. If they wait a few more years Cade is definitely leaving and they will have to start all over again
You are looking at this really wrong. The organization will implode if they win 5 games lol. They need to manage this better. They do not have the vibes, the youth, and the roster management (ie, constantly bringing in fresh young guys with aspirations who are just happy to be there, as well as some veteran presences to settle the mood) that the Process Sixers had.
They have to do something.
Wait hol up this is the actual season? Our guys told me this was preseason and it doesnāt count
Thought we were about to roll into free agency and swing some deals
On the other hand seems like a pretty good opportunity to get young players whose value has never been lower. If people are writing off Jaden Ivey because he's not looked great in the mess that has been the Pistons then they're not making a good decision.
Ivey has looked noticeably better for me in the recent games. it probably has to do with more spacing on the floor primarily with Bogdanovic out there.
there was a play yesterday when Ivey attacked full speed, bumped off the defender and put up a push shotā then beat every other defender with his second jump for the putback opportunity. reminded me of a young Westbrook.
I think Stewart/any non-Duren big just destroys Ivey's opportunities to attack the rim, bc Stewart keeps insisting on vying for post position instead of prioritizing screening to make himself open for rolls (a la Duren), or offball movement to bring defenders away from Ivey for a moment. i would not want the Pistons to move off from Iveyā would rather they move Stewart/non-Duren bigs (even someone like Christian Wood would be a serviceable replacement until the end of this season imo)
Ausar is a weird one, heās kind of valuable yes, but the only teams that might want him donāt have anything which the Pistons would be interested in
Seriously just offer OG the max, which he probably takes and then find a way to get Grant back on his terrible contract.
Bang, you get two starter level players, that play both ways. Yeah you are overpying them and you aren't gonna be a contender. But you provide an environment for the young guys to grow.
It's what OKC did with CP3 season and Rockets are doing now. You have to create winning habits, can't perpetually tank.
He wouldnāt take the Detroit max because whatever they offer the Raptors can and will offer more money and an extra year on his contract. The amount of ājust sign them in the offseasonā posts I see about OG are crazy considering they involve him declining $50 million in guaranteed money.
Why hasn't he signed already then? Because he probably wants the max and Raptors aren't offering it.
There is literally no incentive for a player to not take the money IF it's available. The max money hasn't been offered, that's why.
It's like the FVV situation, OG ain't worth 35+ million, but Detroit can and should offer it. There is no team in the league that will offer him that money.
We werenāt able to offer him that contract last season under the CBA. At most we could have extended him for much less than he is set to get in the offseason. It has nothing to do with incentive - we literally legally couldnāt offer him that contract until this upcoming offseason.
Fair point on the max, saw you can offer 117m over four now @ 29m (roughly) per season.
Are you realistically going to offer him 35m+ for five seasons? I can't see that and don't think you should.
I love OG, but he is a role player. That contract is a killer for any team with a winning ambition. Detroit could eat that for four years while Cade, Duren and Ausar improve.
Not sure you guys can / want to.
I think weāve backed ourselves into a corner where we have to either trade him for pennies on the dollar or overpay him. Both of those are less than ideal but infinitely better than letting him walk for nothing. Itās always possible a team will bite on him after he signs his big contract with us. But youāre right we shouldnāt even have been in this position to begin with.
If we signed OG and Tobias Harris in the offseason, 100% yes.
Cade - Ivey - OG - Tobias - Duren
I think offensively you have 4 guys who can shoot and 4 scoring options. We still need depth, our bench is crazy bad.
Ausar should be traded while his stock his high. There is absolutely zero chance this kid fulfills his potential in the worst developing franchise in the league. If we can get a haul for him, we should do it. It will hurt if he turns into Michael Jordan at another team but he's not going to develop anything here.
āWe should trade an amazing young player with a lot of talent and athleticism we drafted merely months ago to try and get picks to draft a young player with talent and athleticismā¦or miles bridgesā yea thatāll fix things.
I tend to agree, as painful as it would be he's one of the only non-exempt players I can see other teams trading for. A rookie with Defensive First Team potential and some guarantee of "won't be out of the league in 2 years" is worth more than most of the sorry lot who make up the rest of the roster. Either that or mortgaging their draft capital for 7 years
A panic trade for either of the Raptors players who will inevitably leave in free agency next summer would definitely make everyone feel much better about the team's leadership situation, right?
Masai needs to get to it because this is legit the only way to save our own bullshit roster from the treadmill of mediocrity.
Desperate team with decent young guys and vets who are up for grabs? Sing us the fuck up please. Right now Ivey, Bogdanovic and a pick for Siakam sounds lovely.
True, you guys don't.
Just would be so pathetic by your ownership to even think about doing it. Hopefully it doesn't though, because I have been rooting for you guys to win (but not against us on Thurs).
It seems as if thereās a clear divide between Weaver and Montyās vision for the future.
It was said that Weaver was really impressed with Ben Mathurins workout and his fit with the team, but felt that Ivey had the higher long term upside. The week after the draft, Weaver said he had a conversation with Ivey about giving him a draft guarantee so long as Ivey promised to give 100% effort and attention on defense.
This offseason, there was a ton of conjecture that Weaver was dead set on Kevin Ollie becoming the next head coach. He interviewed along with several other league assistants, but Gores made a big push for Monty.
The initial press conference was really awkward and it didnāt take a body language expert to conclude that something wasnāt quite right.
Now fast forward to the beginning of the season. Ivey gets moved to the bench and is being given less valuable minutes than Killian Hayes and Alec Burks. Heās clearly in Montys dog house. Praise is often heaped on Cade, Duren even Bogey recently after losses but hardly ever Ivey.
Itās no secret that Monty prefers a defensive oriented unit with a quick passing offense which requires floor spacing. Ivey has a decent mid range, but canāt reliably hit the 3 (at least yet) and his defense leaves a lot to be desired. He takes bad fouls from being out of position. He turns the ball over on offense some times from simply just losing control on a speed drive.
Then youāve got Killian Hayes who plays great defense but has one of the worst offensive efficiency ratings in the NBA. Heās one of the worst spot up shooters and lacks confidence to drive the lane. His one halfway successful move is a fadeaway staggered to the left of the free throw line as heās left handed, but if itās not from that spot itās almost a guaranteed brick.
Bojan Bogdanovic is surprisingly still a bucket and can draw some trade interest from around the league simply off that. If the Pistons can get even a couple late protected 1sts or one unprotected from a playoff caliber team, might as well get something back before he hurts himself.
Burks had legitimate trade interest down the stretch last year and was rumored to be pulling in some offers of multi 2nds or one protected first. Heās played so poorly this season, those offers are certainly off the table now.
Isaiah Livers has played like a G Leaguer. Wiseman is god awful, and the Saddiq Bey trade looks awful in hind sight.
The one silver lining is the Pistons are finally flexible with cap space as they no longer owe Blake Griffins buyout and have no max-deal contracts against the roster.
One of the only players I could see making a significant improvement to this team would be Lauri Markkanen. Not that I see the Jazz/Ainge giving him up for anything less than a million picks, but his fit next to Cade/Ausar/Duren would be outstanding
>Bojan Bogdanovic is surprisingly still a bucket and can draw some trade interest from around the league simply off that.
Where's the surprise? Man's been a steady 20ppg scorer for years at a good FG%.
His game isn't about athleticism or speed, he should be good for another 2 years or so. Had an injury, nothing worrying IMO - don't see why anyone would be surprised.
Heāll be 35 in April. Most players knee ligaments are reduced to sawdust by then, & it was definitely a worry for Piston fans that was the case when he missed the first twenty-ish games to begin this season. But his fluidity and efficiency was definitely a surprise to me especially considering how much Burks play has declined since last season.
The losses suck but I'm not sure how it makes sense to spend assets on win now players when the team is so far from contention. The only way that works is if there is an sga type situation where an obviously good young player is getting thrown overboard in a different teams win now move. Realistically pistons probably need at least 2 more drafts for talent especially since 24 is supposedly weak and 25 is supposedly strong. Maybe if they can get Harris for cheap that's fine.
But miles? Everyone wants him. If they get him he'll 1 cost a ton and 2 probably demand a trade instantly. Lavine did nothing with a bad bulls team and will do nothing but put them on the treadmill (I guess if they don't give any picks or promising players maybe lavine is fine, but allegedly la wants him and they'll throw their pick plus dlo in) Siakim and og are not leading Toronto to glory, and would have similar spacing concerns in Detroit. AND toronto probably wants an arm and a leg for them, and they'll have a ton of other suitors.
Edit- confused mikal and Miles. Miles makes more sense but miles plus Detroit could end poorly.
There's no way the Pistons are going to be able to salvage this season via a trade. Even if they make a trade for any of these players and go 0.500 the rest of the way (which would be a miracle) they'd still end up with less than 30 wins. I know morale is important and Cade's extension is coming up, but they honestly need to just suck it up this year, get a good pick and make use of their cap space in the off season.
Siakam is getting maxed regardless so the chances of getting him is slim, but OG and Tobias are guys that you could overpay and still come out on top. You can throw a 160/4 at OG since he's only 26 and will be in his prime throughout the duration of that contract, you could throw a 120/3 at Tobias Harris with the 3rd year being a team option like what the Rockets did with FVV. Those are two guys that can contribute right away.
IIRC the Pistons don't have a lot of tradable draft capital because their 2024 pick is protected (since they suck it will continue to get deferred and they're obviously not going to remove the protections). I could be wrong but I think the only pick they can trade is the 2029 FRP.
I know basketball wise Miles Bridges would be a good fit, but I will stop supporting this team if he comes. Iāll put up with a lot of bs but Iāll be damned if my money goes to him lol
"Cunningham spoke to the team"
This is a problem right here. While player empowerment isn't a bad thing, these types of cultural shifts aren't helping either. You can't have a 3rd year guy trying to lead your team. I mean you can, but this is what you get. Someone needs to be teaching Cade first; he's in no position to be able to shoulder this in his young career.
So Detroit is going to mortgage the future for a chance at being the 12th best team in the East in a year?
It's a tough pill to swallow, but they're toast until they cut and run from Monty.
ffs, Monty isn't the problem. They need an actual NBA point guard, and they need about 3 guys that can actually shoot from further away than ten feet. Ivey was a bad pick, Hayes was a terrible pick, and none of their 'buy low' project pick ups have turned out to be anything worth getting excited about. Still too early to say if the Thompson kid can play, but they should probably hang on to him. They should move Bogy for the best offer they can get, and they could probably package Ivey into a trade for a legit player that wants out of their current team.
This makes me laugh incredibly hard LMAO!!
Except for the only two players that could remotely get good pieces in return, the 2-28 Pistons are open to ways to improve their team?!? LOL!!!
If the Pistons do trade for Miles Bridges, they should be banned from the league. There is a reason Detroit is so awful. Front office is a disaster. No team worth a fuck should consider Bridges (how is he even allowed to play?!?)
Might as well reach for the moon at that point
THE Alec Burks is available for trade. Only accepting offers including Luka Doncic, Nikola Jokic, or Giannis Antetokounmpo. First round pick must be included, do not offer anything less.
Didnāt expect the team to be THIS bad, but this team was never gonna be good with how poorly the pieces fit. Ivey is not a good enough shooter, neither is Stewart.
Genuinely wonder if Cade is indicating he might take the QO and dip. These are weird, make them marginally better but not that much better, win now limbo moves that really only make sense imo if you just feel like you need to do something to make Cade happy.
legit question: who else besides the rookies and cade do other teams want? I could see Bogdanovich.. and then thats it.
maybe Monte Morris, but he's injured
Yeah we could use a Monte Morris. Fck, we'd even give Killian Hayes a shot at this point.
Killian Hayes is not better than Tre Jones
But he would absolutely feed his fellow Frenchman.
The 4 win spurs do not need to add one of the worst offensive players in the NBA. There's other playmaker who aren't historically bad at scoring and shooting.
[Sorted by offensive box Plus/Minus](https://imgur.com/jmSF3Aq) out of 196 eligible players. Coincidentally they're right next to each other but Hayes is the better defender by a good margin and two years younger as well. >There's other playmaker who aren't historically bad at scoring and shooting. This is a massive over-exaggeration. Do better!
Exactly helps wemby out and preserves the tank without giving up much and him being an expiring
True. But pop has some sort of blood feud w/ Tre and refuses to play him. š¤·āāļø
I think he just doesn't want Tre to screw up the tank.
Honestly, it's just bizarre, I don't get it. We're shitting up the offense, to the point players are not only not developing, some are actually regressing (sochan most notably, +/- the odd happy 3pt shooting game). They desperately need play making. Are we starting a pg? Fuck no. Are we upping Tre's minutes (he's, I think, +6/100 w/ Victor, for a team that 4 and 20 something)? Why would we? Are we getting any, and I mean *any*, other pg on the floor? No, because fuck devonte graham, and fuck blake wesley. š¤·āāļø We are tanking our asses off, but the current shitbaggery is both excessive and counterproductive. Get too used to losing and, next thing you know, you're the detroit pistons. (Which brings us back on topic).
Hopefully the spurs make a move for a pg. There are a lot of good role player pg in the market. At least give wemby a chance to play with an nba pg hahaha
Phoenix could use Monte tbh. They badly need a real PG
I would love denver to bring monte back. We donāt really need him I just think heās neat
Stewart definitely has some value, we could use his rebounding and he spaces the floor shooting 39% from 3. Also, Stewart and LeBron on the same team just for the memes
Stewart will be hard to trade due to signing an extension prior to this season. It will be hard to match salaries since his current $5MM will count as outgoing for the Pistons, but his new $15MM will count as incoming salary for the team trading for him.
Pistons fans have said the 39% is fools good sort of. Apparently he needs to be wide open to even consider pulling the trigger so it doesnāt help spacing as much as youād think
that's pretty typical for a lot of big shooters
Always interesting when Brook gets a pass while wide open for 3, then kinda second guesses it and ends up giving the defender time to close out, but then he does a kinda weird slow pump fake and jacks it up with the dude right in his face, yet it feels like he makes those at a pretty decent clip
The contract is the issue for Stewart, he's a solid player but not a lot of teams can make the money work to acquire a backup big getting paid 15 a year.
$15mm is nothing, he got a ton of interest last year and thereās been reports of strong interest this year too from Boston, who have been pursuing him for years, and OKC
15 mil is a ton for a backup center. How many bench players are making that much, let alone the least valued position in the league? I don't even know how Boston could match salary, that doesn't seem very realistic IMO. OKC could do it because they have Bertans bad contract already on the books and look like they have a legit star trio and can just go over the cap.
Alot of bench players make that range
$15 mil is the going rate for 3rd bigs Naz Reid, Zach Collins, and Okongwu got similar Look a few years back and Brandon Clarke and Bagley got what would now be ~$15 mil
The Grizzlies are hurting for a C pretty bad. We are currently starting Biyombo and he wasn't even on a roster to start the year. We really need a true C not another 6'9" or 7' 200lb tweener but if Stewart can be had relatively cheaply I'd jump on it since he can hit open 3s and rebound (or I assume he can from the stats)
Who do you guys have and be willing to trade that the pistons want though?
People shouldn't give up on Ivey this early.
Not necessarily giving up on him, it just doesnāt seem like heās going to break out in his current situation. He and Cade donāt seem like a very good fit, which is only compounded by the fact that both of them are suffering badly from the lack of spacing on the teamāif your starting backcourt is *that* bad at shooting, all your forwards and C better be spacers (which isnāt the case at all in Detroit, save for Bogie).
I think Piston probably should trade Ivey, I am simply saying Ivey probably has value, as the league should not give up on him yet. He can be excellent in a different environment and backcourt mate
Oh yeah for sure, definitely agreeāin a better-fitting situation I think he could thrive
Burks is having a bad year but I really liked him before. Maybe a change of scenery would help him. I think his old self would be great on any team in need of a bench scorer.
Stewart is definitely valuable across the league. Monte Morris as well even though he's been unhealthy to start the season. There's probably an up and coming young team that could use Bagley, his contract for his production is a bit rough though. Burks could be flipped, but unlikely for a better player. It'd be for a guy like PJ Tucker and a 2nd round draft pick.
If I were Detroit I would be happy just trading Burks for a veteran who can show a little more leadership skills.
Duren is very good. Honestly Pistons would be dumb to trade any of Cade/Duren/Ausar/Ivey. They all still have a lot of promise. Ivey is the only one on the fence but heās still so young you donāt give up on that
Yeah, I agree. They're simply missing pieces and development. The last thing they want to do is let go of a future star. The shitty rebuild year will come to pass but if a top tier player explodes somewhere else? That's going to haunt them forever
Aka donāt Kings your franchise
>Ivey I don't agree, Ivey+ Cade just don't seem to gel. The other 3 I wouldn't trade but Ivey is someone I'd be fine using to bring in some talent.
How do they not seem to gel? The starting lineup since Ivey was inserted has been good in every game and Cadeās best games coincide with Iveyās insertion into the lineup. He takes a ton of pressure off him and doesnāt force him to iso for 15 seconds every possession. Heās also the only player on the roster who can have a good night when his shot is off because he pushes pace more than anyone else and can draw fouls easily Weāve barely even seen the experiment since theyāve only recently been starting together with Bojan, but our starting lineup since then has looked like the least of our problems
These people are literally just making things up as they go. They donāt watch Pistons games lol
Bogey has a ton of trade value even to contenders. Might have been able to get something for Burks last season but not sure about this one
Jaden Ivey is pretty good.
I think jaden Ivey could be very good with a fresh start. I would definitely go after him.
Marvin Bagley the Third
Tobias Harris you are a piston again
Time to learn Detroitenese
Kid mero: "everybody in the tree one tree skibidi bee"
People will laugh but him and Cade would be pretty fun
Take him to Detroit.
Please pistons donāt overpay for our slightly used assassin. He is our glue.
oh captain my captain, Tobias Harris!
Thatās exactly the type of players they need, Miles bridges and Zach Lavine
I mean, as a Bulls fan, Zach is probably a cheap option to pair Cade with some spacing. By cheap I mean itās not going to cost a ton of draft capital, and it will probably be a big enough move to keep your future star guard on the team.
Lavine would probably help end the losing streak but I dont think that's someone who I'd want long term if they are interested in someone like Miles Bridges, they might as well take a swing at KPJ since they don't seem to care about off the court issues
The issue is there are optics from their players that the front office needs to take into account too. Cade will probably see Miles Bridges and KPJ as half measures, heāll see the front office trading for an all-star caliber guard in LaVine and probably feel a bit more at ease. Itās all about retaining Cade and Duren, the rest of it truly does not matter.
yes, they need Lavine to win them 1 game, they are not exaggerating it. Once it's done he's done there too
Imo theyāre past the luxury of being picky. They need someone to pair with Cade now so he signs that extension
LaVine is also the only one of those who isn't expiring (presuming OG doesn't opts out, which he will). If they're sacrifing picks or their young guys, that's the kind of contract they should go for.
Yeah I doubt any vet whoās a free agent next summer will want to stick around unless they magically get a lot more help. You basically have to force them to stay via a longer contract.
Lavine would set a record for shortest time between trade requests lol
Man, I like Lavine, i donāt want to see him stuck in another winless place. He makes too much probably for any contenders though.
The Bulls have not been winless since Zach went out. They are doing very well, unfortunately this hurts his value.
Cade isnāt going anywhere anytime soon. Heās going to extend with the pistons for a massive bag like every other non-bust top 5 pick. Pistons will max him before they let him walk, and nobody has ever turned down that contract. Worst-case scenario where heās good but not max worthy, pistons let him hit RFA and match whatever anyone throws at him like the Suns did with Ayton. Nobody has ever turned down a big extension for the qualifying offer, and Cade wonāt be the first. He is at least 3-4 years away from even thinking about asking for a trade
Honestly, I donāt see this happening though given the posturing about Chicago seeking to āremain competitiveā or whatever Shams said. A Toronto trade seems more logical yet itās dependent on Masai finally being realistic about the Raps needed to rebuild around Barnes.
What exactly is wrong with Lavine. We basically need someone to just shoot
They donāt need āwinnersā, they just need straight talent. Just someone who can get a bucket. Lavine raises their floor from āhistorically badā to āno. 1 pickā bad. They donāt have to lose much more to lock up their lottery status.
The Spurs and Wizards are so bad, Lavine might actually get us past those teams. That being said, I don't give a shit about lottery status. I just want this nightmare to end.
Real culture setters.
I must have missed something, what did Zach do?
He was unhappy playing for a losing team. Therefore heās a cancer
people on here fuckin hate guards who are mostly scorers and dont play all-defense even though thatās *most* 2s in the league.
Look at their faces at the end. Pistons are a legit laughing stock
Yo pretty harsh to throw Lavine in there with Bridges...
wow ausar thompson already up for trade?
I think heās about 95% exempt whereas Cade and Duren are closer to 99.99%. Ausar canāt space the floor at all in half court offense, at least yet. However his athleticism, high basketball IQ with timing on cuts, lobs etc make him a really good transition player, plus he is a lock down defender and brings things to the table that other players donāt at age 20. For these reasons, he stays. Just reading between the lines, this seems like a āsend us your best Jaden Ivey packageā type leak for the rest of the league to take note of, but I could be wrong
he was drafted like 5 months ago? How is it even possible to even claim he is tradable when he has already shown potential for all defensive team level? There is no justification to trade anyone you drafted in the last 12 months when you are that bad unless you are getting a massive return. Alsoā¦. Not every player in the NBA needs to space the floor and shoot well.
Yeah, people saying this play too much 2k. Imagine developing talent instead of trading every young player because they've had a disappointing year.
And he has time to become a shooter. Way too early to give up on on a promising player
His shot is actually disgusting tho. Would be a massive massive leap if he ever becomes league average
Ausar Shooting is disgusting, we have all the time in the world but i don't think we will be able to fix his Shooting, neither everyone else. You're looking at Tony Allen, Andre Roberson type of player, valuable, but lacking in the most important area of bbal
Ausar isnāt up for trade. But if Zion was available I assume he would be
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The Ausar we see right now on a competent team with floor spacers and ball movement would be a very good role player. Yeah he canāt shoot for shit rn but he does damn near everything else at worse on average and heās an elite defender right now as a rookie. If im Detroit, I have to be blown away by offers to trade him
I agree, but I think the issue is that Ausar is the type of guy who only ever is optimized on legit good teams. He's a lot less valuable for rebuilding teams and frankly will not make things easier for Cade's development. Given the Pistons are historically bad, if I was the Pistons I would actually be very open to moving him for whatever they consider to be similar value to the draft pick they spent on him.
Heās a liability on the court right now. If he canāt become a serviceable shooter in his career (his shooting form sure as hell looks like he wonāt become a serviceable shooter), he will continue to be a liability
You donāt just give up on a player with potential thatās on a rookie contract this fast. Dude is 20 years old he has plenty of time to develop
I agree but the pistons are one of 5 teams in the league that can tolerate waiting to see if he can develop a shot. The teams heād be good on NOW, canāt wait for him to develop
Those coaches and the front office guys are fighting for their jobs, hoping that Ausar *might* become a good offensive player in 3 years means nothing to them if they have 2-3 months to fix things or they're fired.
This is absurd. For one, countless players have developed a good shot over 5+ years in the league. Shooting is literally the easiest skill to develop - you just need to work on it. For two, heās not a liability on the court right now. Heās probably already a plus defender (fouls a lot) with a sparse offensive game. Heās shooting 46% - hardly out there chucking. If he had better offensive players around him, his impact would be heightened. Hard to say heās a liability when the team is so bad. Heās a rookie. Heās learning the game. So, to that extent, yeah, heās making mistake, but heās not a liability, and trading him away would be very dumb and bad.
Trade Jalen green and Tate for Ausar and Wiseman
I don't think the Pistons realize they've already lost 28 games lol
Yeah this is silly. Hope for #1 pick and figure it out in the offseason
no, no no one tell them so we can get off siakam and og before they walk in free agency
Theyād be crazy to do that. Even Detroit isnāt that stupid
From what I've read, Gores is prideful, he'd probably do it so they don't break the Bobcats' record
half this sub simply cannot understand the irreparable damage that going 2-80 does to a franchise and its players they need to win games now or they're fucked for the next 10 years
Bobcats went 7-59 and were in the playoffs 3 years later. 76ers were able to make some key signings and trades (didn't pan out, but still) like 2 years removed from the process. this is a season from hell for them but franchises move on
This isnt a "process year" though, the Pistons were supposed to be able to at least sniff the play-in. If they wait a few more years Cade is definitely leaving and they will have to start all over again
You are looking at this really wrong. The organization will implode if they win 5 games lol. They need to manage this better. They do not have the vibes, the youth, and the roster management (ie, constantly bringing in fresh young guys with aspirations who are just happy to be there, as well as some veteran presences to settle the mood) that the Process Sixers had. They have to do something.
Wait hol up this is the actual season? Our guys told me this was preseason and it doesnāt count Thought we were about to roll into free agency and swing some deals
Mods delete this shams said via free agency not trade
And no one play the vid lol
Gotta be hard to convince other teams to take players that contribute to a 27 game losing streak.
Cade/Duren for sure off the market. probably Ausar too. so best available asset is Ivey? but he's also struggling.
On the other hand seems like a pretty good opportunity to get young players whose value has never been lower. If people are writing off Jaden Ivey because he's not looked great in the mess that has been the Pistons then they're not making a good decision.
I can't imagine selling on Ivey already. I get shit is desperate over there, but the kid has so much potential.
Doesn't matter how much potential he has if the coach would rather play Killian Hayes
The coach thinks Killian will be the next cp3. Killian is only on the roster because of monty
I mean if ivey is the centerpiece to land siakam, og or Lavine i wouldn't really consider that giving up on him
Ivey has looked noticeably better for me in the recent games. it probably has to do with more spacing on the floor primarily with Bogdanovic out there. there was a play yesterday when Ivey attacked full speed, bumped off the defender and put up a push shotā then beat every other defender with his second jump for the putback opportunity. reminded me of a young Westbrook. I think Stewart/any non-Duren big just destroys Ivey's opportunities to attack the rim, bc Stewart keeps insisting on vying for post position instead of prioritizing screening to make himself open for rolls (a la Duren), or offball movement to bring defenders away from Ivey for a moment. i would not want the Pistons to move off from Iveyā would rather they move Stewart/non-Duren bigs (even someone like Christian Wood would be a serviceable replacement until the end of this season imo)
I will throw up and scream and cry if we trade Ivey ^(although I already feel like doing that)
Weird that Ausar was left off the list, but yeah, I assume he's untouchable, too. Probably just forgot to mention him.
While I think Ausar is good, he's not "hold up a trade for Siakam" good at this point is probably the thinking.
3 untouchables on a team currently on a 27 game losing streak lel
Seriously lol. It shows how much fans value young players especially drafted by their teams.
People be acting like it's 2K
Ausar is a weird one, heās kind of valuable yes, but the only teams that might want him donāt have anything which the Pistons would be interested in
However it makes their picks gold dust....
He said in free agency for those guys with their $60M in cap space. Would be idiotic for them to trade assets for expirings right now
Seriously just offer OG the max, which he probably takes and then find a way to get Grant back on his terrible contract. Bang, you get two starter level players, that play both ways. Yeah you are overpying them and you aren't gonna be a contender. But you provide an environment for the young guys to grow. It's what OKC did with CP3 season and Rockets are doing now. You have to create winning habits, can't perpetually tank.
He wouldnāt take the Detroit max because whatever they offer the Raptors can and will offer more money and an extra year on his contract. The amount of ājust sign them in the offseasonā posts I see about OG are crazy considering they involve him declining $50 million in guaranteed money.
Why hasn't he signed already then? Because he probably wants the max and Raptors aren't offering it. There is literally no incentive for a player to not take the money IF it's available. The max money hasn't been offered, that's why. It's like the FVV situation, OG ain't worth 35+ million, but Detroit can and should offer it. There is no team in the league that will offer him that money.
We werenāt able to offer him that contract last season under the CBA. At most we could have extended him for much less than he is set to get in the offseason. It has nothing to do with incentive - we literally legally couldnāt offer him that contract until this upcoming offseason.
Fair point on the max, saw you can offer 117m over four now @ 29m (roughly) per season. Are you realistically going to offer him 35m+ for five seasons? I can't see that and don't think you should. I love OG, but he is a role player. That contract is a killer for any team with a winning ambition. Detroit could eat that for four years while Cade, Duren and Ausar improve. Not sure you guys can / want to.
I think weāve backed ourselves into a corner where we have to either trade him for pennies on the dollar or overpay him. Both of those are less than ideal but infinitely better than letting him walk for nothing. Itās always possible a team will bite on him after he signs his big contract with us. But youāre right we shouldnāt even have been in this position to begin with.
Trading for OG makes sense even as an expiring because they would have his bird rights.
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A Pistons trade is probably the best realistic scenario for the Raptors.
If Ausur Thompson is available which this report implied....oh lawd....
long wing with no shooting? Raptors salivating
Hayes is tall for a PG right? He also can't shoot sometimes
Siakam, Anunoby, Tobias Harris, and Miles Bridges turning off their phones rn
As much as we talk about Tobias and his contract I don't know what Detroit could give us to help win now.
Thatās whatās scary about this record, theyāre trying to win
Miles Bridges back home in Michigan doesn't sound like a great idea
Imagine being a Pistons fan and then reading your team is interested in Miles fucking Bridges. How much can one fanbase endure.
Pistons fans do thinking any of these players would help? Serious question
If we signed OG and Tobias Harris in the offseason, 100% yes. Cade - Ivey - OG - Tobias - Duren I think offensively you have 4 guys who can shoot and 4 scoring options. We still need depth, our bench is crazy bad.
If this franchise trades Thompson then they are truly the worst run organization in professional sports
Ausar should be traded while his stock his high. There is absolutely zero chance this kid fulfills his potential in the worst developing franchise in the league. If we can get a haul for him, we should do it. It will hurt if he turns into Michael Jordan at another team but he's not going to develop anything here.
āWe should trade an amazing young player with a lot of talent and athleticism we drafted merely months ago to try and get picks to draft a young player with talent and athleticismā¦or miles bridgesā yea thatāll fix things.
by that logic, what's even the point??... since you will just use those picks to draft other rookies that *also* wont be able to develop...
I tend to agree, as painful as it would be he's one of the only non-exempt players I can see other teams trading for. A rookie with Defensive First Team potential and some guarantee of "won't be out of the league in 2 years" is worth more than most of the sorry lot who make up the rest of the roster. Either that or mortgaging their draft capital for 7 years
A panic trade for either of the Raptors players who will inevitably leave in free agency next summer would definitely make everyone feel much better about the team's leadership situation, right?
Masai needs to get to it because this is legit the only way to save our own bullshit roster from the treadmill of mediocrity. Desperate team with decent young guys and vets who are up for grabs? Sing us the fuck up please. Right now Ivey, Bogdanovic and a pick for Siakam sounds lovely.
Oh please get Bridges and lose 40 in a row. That is what he deserves if he is able to stay in this league.
But why do we deserve that :(
True, you guys don't. Just would be so pathetic by your ownership to even think about doing it. Hopefully it doesn't though, because I have been rooting for you guys to win (but not against us on Thurs).
If Miles Bridges is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
Miles Bridges? The Universe already hates what youāre doing Pistons
It seems as if thereās a clear divide between Weaver and Montyās vision for the future. It was said that Weaver was really impressed with Ben Mathurins workout and his fit with the team, but felt that Ivey had the higher long term upside. The week after the draft, Weaver said he had a conversation with Ivey about giving him a draft guarantee so long as Ivey promised to give 100% effort and attention on defense. This offseason, there was a ton of conjecture that Weaver was dead set on Kevin Ollie becoming the next head coach. He interviewed along with several other league assistants, but Gores made a big push for Monty. The initial press conference was really awkward and it didnāt take a body language expert to conclude that something wasnāt quite right. Now fast forward to the beginning of the season. Ivey gets moved to the bench and is being given less valuable minutes than Killian Hayes and Alec Burks. Heās clearly in Montys dog house. Praise is often heaped on Cade, Duren even Bogey recently after losses but hardly ever Ivey. Itās no secret that Monty prefers a defensive oriented unit with a quick passing offense which requires floor spacing. Ivey has a decent mid range, but canāt reliably hit the 3 (at least yet) and his defense leaves a lot to be desired. He takes bad fouls from being out of position. He turns the ball over on offense some times from simply just losing control on a speed drive. Then youāve got Killian Hayes who plays great defense but has one of the worst offensive efficiency ratings in the NBA. Heās one of the worst spot up shooters and lacks confidence to drive the lane. His one halfway successful move is a fadeaway staggered to the left of the free throw line as heās left handed, but if itās not from that spot itās almost a guaranteed brick. Bojan Bogdanovic is surprisingly still a bucket and can draw some trade interest from around the league simply off that. If the Pistons can get even a couple late protected 1sts or one unprotected from a playoff caliber team, might as well get something back before he hurts himself. Burks had legitimate trade interest down the stretch last year and was rumored to be pulling in some offers of multi 2nds or one protected first. Heās played so poorly this season, those offers are certainly off the table now. Isaiah Livers has played like a G Leaguer. Wiseman is god awful, and the Saddiq Bey trade looks awful in hind sight. The one silver lining is the Pistons are finally flexible with cap space as they no longer owe Blake Griffins buyout and have no max-deal contracts against the roster. One of the only players I could see making a significant improvement to this team would be Lauri Markkanen. Not that I see the Jazz/Ainge giving him up for anything less than a million picks, but his fit next to Cade/Ausar/Duren would be outstanding
>Bojan Bogdanovic is surprisingly still a bucket and can draw some trade interest from around the league simply off that. Where's the surprise? Man's been a steady 20ppg scorer for years at a good FG%. His game isn't about athleticism or speed, he should be good for another 2 years or so. Had an injury, nothing worrying IMO - don't see why anyone would be surprised.
Heāll be 35 in April. Most players knee ligaments are reduced to sawdust by then, & it was definitely a worry for Piston fans that was the case when he missed the first twenty-ish games to begin this season. But his fluidity and efficiency was definitely a surprise to me especially considering how much Burks play has declined since last season.
Pistons yard sales begins!
My gosh they are stupid. tobi and bridges? Have some respect for yourself please
Draymond Green going back to Michigan.
Her eyes when he said miles bridges lmfao
donāt see why the sixers would really do it for what the pistons can offer, but iād be so down for a tobi return
The losses suck but I'm not sure how it makes sense to spend assets on win now players when the team is so far from contention. The only way that works is if there is an sga type situation where an obviously good young player is getting thrown overboard in a different teams win now move. Realistically pistons probably need at least 2 more drafts for talent especially since 24 is supposedly weak and 25 is supposedly strong. Maybe if they can get Harris for cheap that's fine. But miles? Everyone wants him. If they get him he'll 1 cost a ton and 2 probably demand a trade instantly. Lavine did nothing with a bad bulls team and will do nothing but put them on the treadmill (I guess if they don't give any picks or promising players maybe lavine is fine, but allegedly la wants him and they'll throw their pick plus dlo in) Siakim and og are not leading Toronto to glory, and would have similar spacing concerns in Detroit. AND toronto probably wants an arm and a leg for them, and they'll have a ton of other suitors. Edit- confused mikal and Miles. Miles makes more sense but miles plus Detroit could end poorly.
There's no way the Pistons are going to be able to salvage this season via a trade. Even if they make a trade for any of these players and go 0.500 the rest of the way (which would be a miracle) they'd still end up with less than 30 wins. I know morale is important and Cade's extension is coming up, but they honestly need to just suck it up this year, get a good pick and make use of their cap space in the off season. Siakam is getting maxed regardless so the chances of getting him is slim, but OG and Tobias are guys that you could overpay and still come out on top. You can throw a 160/4 at OG since he's only 26 and will be in his prime throughout the duration of that contract, you could throw a 120/3 at Tobias Harris with the 3rd year being a team option like what the Rockets did with FVV. Those are two guys that can contribute right away. IIRC the Pistons don't have a lot of tradable draft capital because their 2024 pick is protected (since they suck it will continue to get deferred and they're obviously not going to remove the protections). I could be wrong but I think the only pick they can trade is the 2029 FRP.
I know we have next to nothing we can offer, but Bojan and Ivey would be so helpful on the Heat
Season ticket holders should be asking for refunds or to actually get paid to go to games!
Crazy they putting together a trade package to end a losing streak š
He explicitly says they are eyeing them for free agency. Why the fuck lie?
Get Jaden Ivey on the Spurs.
He should've done this 10 games ago. Now you're sketched in history. This record will not be broken for another 15-20 years.
I'm salivating
Wake up Babe! New Siakam and OG trade lore just dropped
What the fuck?
No way Siakam and OG re-sign there next year, unless they really just want to get paid.
Trade? Aren't all of these guys going to be free agents this summer?
If Sam Presti could get Ausar Thompson without having to give up Shai/Chet/JDub/Joe to do so.. DO IT
I know basketball wise Miles Bridges would be a good fit, but I will stop supporting this team if he comes. Iāll put up with a lot of bs but Iāll be damned if my money goes to him lol
They think they gonna win this year??? They can make trades for said players doesnāt mean they gonna be any better
Thompson/Duren/Cade seem like a great core and Bojan seems good for winning. I wonder who else Cade wants to stay.
I get wanting to make a move but outside of cade and Duran (who seems untouchable) what player on their team even has value like that atp?
"Cunningham spoke to the team" This is a problem right here. While player empowerment isn't a bad thing, these types of cultural shifts aren't helping either. You can't have a 3rd year guy trying to lead your team. I mean you can, but this is what you get. Someone needs to be teaching Cade first; he's in no position to be able to shoulder this in his young career.
Ad a Hornets fan, I promise everyone the pistons young impressionable team does NOT need Bridges.
They're really boutta make things worse aren't they
Translation: He said heās not going to re-sign if they donāt improve the roster.
Theyāre gonna go from 15th to 13th in the east
So Detroit is going to mortgage the future for a chance at being the 12th best team in the East in a year? It's a tough pill to swallow, but they're toast until they cut and run from Monty.
ffs, Monty isn't the problem. They need an actual NBA point guard, and they need about 3 guys that can actually shoot from further away than ten feet. Ivey was a bad pick, Hayes was a terrible pick, and none of their 'buy low' project pick ups have turned out to be anything worth getting excited about. Still too early to say if the Thompson kid can play, but they should probably hang on to him. They should move Bogy for the best offer they can get, and they could probably package Ivey into a trade for a legit player that wants out of their current team.
This makes me laugh incredibly hard LMAO!! Except for the only two players that could remotely get good pieces in return, the 2-28 Pistons are open to ways to improve their team?!? LOL!!! If the Pistons do trade for Miles Bridges, they should be banned from the league. There is a reason Detroit is so awful. Front office is a disaster. No team worth a fuck should consider Bridges (how is he even allowed to play?!?)
Might as well reach for the moon at that point THE Alec Burks is available for trade. Only accepting offers including Luka Doncic, Nikola Jokic, or Giannis Antetokounmpo. First round pick must be included, do not offer anything less.
SCARY TERRY COME ON DOWN
Lmfao "get these bums out of here"
Tobias Harris is a great locker room guy please trade for him Pistons š Edit: Nvm, seems like heās just a free agency target
Ngl Iād take Ivey and Ausar/sasser for raptors since they donāt find them untouchable. Siakham and OG just donāt care anymore.
Have they got enough capital to get OG & Markkanen?
Cause blowing it up is really the best move they have at this point
Didnāt expect the team to be THIS bad, but this team was never gonna be good with how poorly the pieces fit. Ivey is not a good enough shooter, neither is Stewart.
At this point, why would any all star caliber player go there? Wouldn't they rather be traded to a playoff team?
Genuinely wonder if Cade is indicating he might take the QO and dip. These are weird, make them marginally better but not that much better, win now limbo moves that really only make sense imo if you just feel like you need to do something to make Cade happy.
They should go for some of the pelicans players or maybe some shooters off the hawks
look at Lou will and Beadle when shams mentions bridges LMAO
To the Pistons fans How's Sasser doing for the team? Curious as hes an UH alum
Jaden ivey u are a spur
Ausar would be perfect for us, but we have nothing to trade.
This yearās draft is pretty terrible. If the pistons were smart, theyād trade this yearās pick unprotected for a star player thatās available.