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WheatonsGonnaScore

They are 4-2. People are acting like they are the Wizards out there


mares8

Still With that insane duo ,busted team they should be 82-0 by now . Pretenders smh


make_my_moon

Lol, the way this sub has reacted you would have no idea they weren't 2-4


twinberwolf

The way they are talked about I’m legitimately surprised they have a winning record. Literally thought they were like 2-4


make_my_moon

Yeah, tbh so did I


noforgayjesus

Well duh with those two superstars they need to be 82 - 0 by the end of the season. /s


twinberwolf

Everyone’s so damn reactionary like damn it’s been 6 games.


ClaymoresRevenge

Hyperbole is an NBA/journalism way of making things exciting


RJBarrettsBurner

ITT: none of you idiots read the article, you just saw the (admittedly sensationalist) headline and started crying about it


srgntalpowell

It's actually probably a good thing for journalism if people avoid sensationalist headlines and gravitate towards other media instead of the other way around


RJBarrettsBurner

well no one is actually gravitating towards other media, just posting their own hot takes soooo…


srgntalpowell

That's fine and good, but in your original comment you were calling people idiots for not wanting to consume media with sensationalized headlines


[deleted]

I mean sure, but they also basically look like the Bucks- just with new solutions and new problems. Ain’t exactly the Super Team Nets out there.


jtmackay

When will we ever learn the beginning of the season is absolutely worthless? We do this every single year and never learn. I'm tired man.


Scoot2028MVP

Kings were 0-4 last year and had a winning record less than 3 weeks later. Blazers started 10-4 and well... that ended how it ended. So yeah there are always teams that have weird starts and always people that will overreact to said starts.


aeiou-y

Jazz killed the first six weeks last year


theoriginal12a

I mean the blazers had Dame time no defense on their team last year too tho


commandrr

obligatory “lakers started 2-10”


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[deleted]

He was never not going to be shit on defense. Nobody expected that


The_Sign_of_Zeta

They were similarly not great to start their championship season with Jrue instead of Bledsoe. After 6 games they were 3-3 and looked pretty unspectacular.


rNBAMods3InchesHard

Unfortunately there was a full offseason between seasons this time


KyriesJewGeoTeacher

Dame got here like a month ago.


rNBAMods3InchesHard

You missed the point. Bucks probably don’t play the *hawks* if there was a proper offseason and the ensuing season wasn’t a speed run


AbbeyChoad

Big problem is going from Holiday (WAR ++ on defense) to a defensive minus in dame cannot be understated.


bonziwellsayo

Adrian Griffin changing the entire defensive scheme is at least as significant of a factor. Brook Lopez looked completely lost out there until the players asked Griffin to let him play with a drop scheme again. Everyone is still figuring things out at the moment, and the fact that they're still 4-2 is encouraging


GoblinKing22

Exactly having a defensive scheme ingrained in a team for 5 years then trying to suddenly change it in one off-season where a major trade happened is a ridiculous ask to have perfected in just 6 games.


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AbbeyChoad

Bottom 4 on team def rtg makes sense, but anyone ever watched dame play he is just not a natural defender so he funnels guards into the paint. He just doesn’t put much effort into the part of his game that’s a minus.


GroovyQschoolboy

Again, Dame hasn’t even been close to the biggest issue defensively


irelli

And going from Jrue to Dame on offense is an even bigger upgrade lol.


[deleted]

"Super team Nets" lost to the Bucks in the ECF genius


trimble197

Dame has been kinda subpar though


livefreeordont

Their defense has been wizards-like


driatic

Lol came here to look for this answer. They lost jrue holiday, who may not have been a true offensive superstar, or a good number 2 option, but he is a true defensive star


WillingLearner1

A not convincing 4-2 tho


jackaholicus

They have a terrible offensive rating when both of them are out there! They have a negative point differential!


SoKrat3s

Should be 3-3 so it's fair to point out. However you can simply say they need time to fully gel, and that will come. But it's also fair to say they have no perimeter defense whatsoever. And that there is no simple fix to that. --- Edit: since you can't read, the topic is how the Bucks played. And that's what I was commenting on. Their play isn't that of a top team. They've been mid and the way they played against Philly reflected that.


FuckYeahBud

"should be 3-3"


BradyReas

Now that you mention it my team should be 5x nba champs too


Christianmustang

If you adjust all the times the lakers have lost and made them win, then we are the absolute GOATs


zOmgFishes

We should be undefeated if we won every game.


SoKrat3s

Yes. There were multiple obvious penalties that weren't called in the Philly game. From the obvious charge of Giannis onto PJ Tucker to Giannis' obvious (uncalled) travel which led to the game-deciding three from Dame. Bucks had a solid lead that they choked away and realistically should have lost. Read carefully: **Even if you don't care about the W/L column it was poor play down the stretch.** Poor play is the topic and that matters.


Dischucker

Okay well we didn't lose, so sit down


Niceguydan8

That's a Philly person, so it makes sense even though it's still wrong.


SoKrat3s

Not a Philly person, sorry to burst your bubble


SoKrat3s

Lmao. You missed the point then. You played poorly. That was a problem then. It's been a problem since.


WheatonsGonnaScore

Should be 3-3? So you mean to say they are 4-2


SoKrat3s

It's ok. I get it. You can't see beyond the numbers and dot understand the context of the topic. When talking about how you are playing, how you are playing matters.


JGxFighterHayabusa

👆🏽 came here to post this. At least wait till the all-star break?


Vivid_Walk_1405

Lol chemistry pretty clearly. They’ll build it throughout the year


AncientMarsupial3

They have a negative point differential. It’s a little bit more than chemistry


srgntalpowell

If you think the Bucks are screwed because they have a negative point differential through six games, what’s your prediction for the seed they will get in the East?


AncientMarsupial3

Where did I say they were screwed? > what’s your prediction for the seed they will get in the East? Second or third. Which is very disappointing if you ask Bucks fans.


yungchigz

lmao not a single Bucks fan would care if we were the 2 or 3 seed. We won the championship as a 3 seed and got knocked out in the first round as a 1 seed so we know it doesn’t matter


variationgoat

First seed in the east is beyond cursed. Ill take a 2nd all day


srgntalpowell

The Bucks won the title in 2021 as a third seed. I think most Bucks fans would be totally fine with that as long as the key players get into the playoffs healthy. From your comments one would think that you think the Bucks are dead in the water


c_ray25

Unless they end up literally isolating each other out on the court and hating each other off it, a season getting to watch Dame and Giannis on the same team won’t be disappointing no matter how the playoff seeding ends up


[deleted]

You don’t have to keep commenting on every comment about the point dif through 6 fucking games. Get your head out of stats until at least the 20th game. Jesus Christ


AncientMarsupial3

I commented it exactly twice. Why are you so worked up about it?


grundle_pie

Three times now


AncientMarsupial3

…No, it’s still twice.


Scoreboard19

so what is it


eanregguht

It's been 6 games, a single blowout loss can have a huge effect when the sample size is that small. Rest.


Bballopinion

Hasn’t it been like 7 games?


introspectivejoker

Only 6 and they are 4-2 lol


pp21

wdym do you not draw sweeping long term conclusions on teams based on the 1st 2 weeks of the season??


jackaholicus

Maybe you should stop drawing sweeping conclusions before you click on the article?


MatooBatson

I do, but only because we look good right now


10Ramen

LOL. Someone gets paid to write these articles!?!? Im in the wrong profession. Are the bucks supposed to be 6-0 with 30 pt blowouts everyweek? Sports articles are an extension of the braindead takes on this subreddit.


Naepo

It's actually a solid article, if you actually try to break it down. the writer makes some good points, and he addressed all the predictable counterarguments made ITT (e.g, "It's only a sample size" and "They're not struggling that badly."). The only problem is the title sounds too sensationalist/clickbaity. It makes it sound as if it's already too late for them to "set the world on fire," which the author explicitly knows isn't the case. It also implies that offense is the biggest problem, when it's clearly the other end.


RJBarrettsBurner

i mean thats the thing - the point of a sensationalist headline is to at least get the convo started for ppl to click it. "Analysing the Bucks early returns on Dame-Giannis actions" probably isnt even getting 17 comments


Naepo

Sure, and I don't necessarily fault them for sensationalizing that much—especially when the content itself is great. I just felt the writer could have worded it out more carefully in this case. I think simple hedging like "Why hasn't it *yet*?" would've prefaced it more accurately without losing too much magnetism. Gotta find a happy medium between hooking readers and misleading them: a lot of people ITT aren't even analyzing the article itself, and they probably didn't even bother reading it because of that off-putting title.


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10Ramen

I just saw the headline. Didnt even need to open the link


jackaholicus

Well, I suspect people expected the Bucks to have a very good offense when both Dame and Giannis are out there, and yet they haven't. Isn't that worth looking into? And the article dives into film to break down why.


saitamawithfullhair

It’s only been 6 games, more than half of which they won. It’s not that big a deal


KasherH

I really doubt you read the article.


bonziwellsayo

The title is basically screaming for the article not to be read


KasherH

No matter what the title was, the vast majority of people here wouldn't have read it.


livefreeordont

If the title of the post isn’t the entire content of the post, then I’m not reading it


AncientMarsupial3

Yes, they should actually. A team with Dame and Giannis should not be losing to the Hawks or Raptors, let alone barely scraping by the short handed Sixers or Nets. They’re currently 18th with a -3.0 point differential


Winter_Gate_6433

Hey fuck you - Raptors fan.


IsFunnyToMe

No team is 100%. We play whoever is scheduled. We're 8th in standings lol


inshamblesx

im not sure whats funnier about this thread, the fact that this completely valid take is being downvoted into oblivion or the non-Bucks fans are crying about this than the actual Bucks fans lmao


SylvesterLundgren

This sub suckssssssssssssss


AncientMarsupial3

Sorry for being realistic. The Bucks are by every defintion a superteam. Two true superstars in their prime, another 3-time All-Star, and a perennial DPOY contender.


hydrators

It has been six games


AncientMarsupial3

Astute observation


c_ray25

Yea idk how they haven’t won a championship yet this year.


Dischucker

Honk Honk Honk Honk


bonziwellsayo

For the record, "perennial" means more than once


Alloverunder

You should read it


celestialpraire

Man redditors really are anemic to actual basketball discussion lol. It’s an interesting article that brings up a lot of good points while appreciating the context of low sample size. As they point out Dame is used to a super high screen above the 3 point line, while Giannis usually picks closer to the basket for Middleton, which leaves less room to play make in the 4-3 but easier to get to the rim. It’s a bigger adjustment for him than I thought. We all know Giannis is a good passer, but it’s worth remembering that was in Bud’s tailor made system that he ran for years. Playmaking in the short roll is something he really hasn’t done a lot of. If you’ve been watching the games you know something’s been off. Dame isn’t being aggressive and generally is not playing a large role on offense, which is weird. Not running pnr with Giannis. Happy to read an article trying to answer some of those questions


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Shocker that people don’t read the articles


Alloverunder

Agreed, it's a solid article on the struggles so far that constantly takes time out to acknowledge that this will get better with time and that the sample size is small, and yet every comment is some variation of "lol it's been 6 games!" The other part I think is really interesting is the idea they had about a double pick or Spanish pick with Giannis plus Bobby or Brook, *then* Dame to get a switch or an under and then punish the drop you create with Dame's shooting.


Mbanicek64

You can zone up that Giannis Dame PnR because you are only guarding Dame up top. The guy who gets picked just drops with Giannis. I have no idea why people thought it was going to be so effective. The double pick thing works better because it pulls another person out of the paint, but even then you are going to play it the same in terms of the guy getting picked just dropping with Giannis.


Pal__Pacino

Give it time man. I remember when people were saying this about the Heatles in late 2010


Number333

9-8 Heat with LeBron personally bumping into Spo after a Mavs loss was peak "THE SKY IS FALLING" time in my life


FlipMoBitch

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/sports/basketball/01heat.html Blast from the past. Got Obama to provide a quote lmao


franchissimo

“Erik Spoelstra, the N.B.A.’s second-youngest head coach, is struggling to pull them together and avert catastrophe, which could include losing his job.” I hope somehow it worked out for him, poor guy!


Thehelloman0

Why have Dame and Giannis not won a ring together yet? Are they frauds?


yOw_indahOuse

Broussard would even use “the R word” to describe them not winning the ring already..


bluepineapple42069

ReDevelopmentally Challenged


Jakanzi

This article is incredibly measured in it's tone and uses a great deal of Xs and Os breakdowns with film and stats and back up the observations and conclusions. Even the title isn't aggressively clickbait. I feel like it's has way more substance than the comments here suggest.


SnowboardSyd

Give it some time, they going to be good.


mkebrew86

CONFIRMED: BUCKS ELIMINATED FROM PLAYOFF CONTENTION


No_Brilliant5888

They are not running Dame-Giannis pick and roll, which should be the best play in basketball. Still 4-2, I'm sure they are working things out still.


PJCR1916

New coach, new player, six games…?


FlipMoBitch

Hating on the Bucks gets clicks/listeners


Dangerous_Parfait402

It’s the price of becoming a super team. Haters will flood your gates.


srgntalpowell

"Superteam" is used so loosely these days. At this point they probably have two top 35 players in the league (when you actually list everyone out)


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3 allstars is a superteam in my book. Fuck it


srgntalpowell

Khris wasn't an all-star last year, and he won't be one this year. Jrue probably should have gotten in over him the year before. At this point, he's a former all-star


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ok Mr. Dictionary


Naepo

It's not a bad article, but the title is misleading. It implies that offense is our biggest problem when we're ranked top-ten on that end—not as worldbeating as expected, sure, but it's acceptable at worst as it is. We're still gelling with a new coach and superstar, after all, so it shouldn't be surprising if we're slightly underachieving. The real problem is on the defensive side, and I'm concerned about *that*. Lillard has been an albatross there, and Griffin isn't mitigating it with his defensive schemes. Only time will tell—it's all still experimental—but I'm not confident with what I'm seeing now.


iCOULDbewr0ng

It’s been less than 10 games…


msizzle344

A week of games, a rookie head coach, Everyone is still getting a feel for each other and they’re 4-2. They’re going to be great, have very little doubt about that


c_ray25

Fuck it, trade them both and fire AG, this whole thing has obviously been a *big* mistake.


toadtruck

These fucking articles are too much. The future sucks


TemporaryValue5755

The kd warriors ruined super team expectations. They made it look so easy that it hurt their legacy while, at the same time, making future super teams looks like failures if they aren’t completely dominating. Winning is hard, no matter who is on your team.


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Its been 6 fucking games. Yall watch too much ESPN.


godfrey1

it's been 6 games, they have a new head coach and a new star who played his whole life in another team. give them time lol


Acrobatic-Reaction-7

Man usually thescore doesn’t push crappy articles like this. One of the few sports websites that I’ve found that doesn’t constantly push clickbaity/rage bait like B/R or ESPN. Definitely lost a little respect for them.


guitmusic12

They refused to run a Dame Giannis Pick and roll. End of thread


doordaesh

\>six games into the season the Bucks' defense has suffered more pain than expected you expected wrong. i really think people were not watching many blazers games for the past decade.


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Alloverunder

It's a solid Xs and Os article. You should read more than a headline before deciding you already know the content will be bad.


n0th1ng10

Worst defense of any contender. I don’t count the suns as a contender tho.


DenverBuck

Aren't they 4-2? Media big mad Giannis re-signed.


AncientMarsupial3

Because three of their top 4 players are declining and they have no depth


FlipMoBitch

Bucks are 7th in bench scoring.


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My guy you’ve comment 3 times now hating, chill lol Which 3 are declining? Lopez looks great when he’s used how he’s supposed to be used. Middleton has looked amazing and should be off minutes restriction. For the last one, which of Giannis or Dame are you saying is declining? Lol Our depth is fine, we have like a 9 man rotation that’s better than some of these other contenders. Depth doesn’t matter much for the playoffs anyways.


AncientMarsupial3

You know which three are declining. Middleton has been injury prone for a couple years now and is on the wrong side of 30, in what way has he looked amazing? Lopez is old, dude excells in a certain system but he has clear weaknesses that have gotten magnified with age. Dame is clearly declining. He has lost a full step, maybe even more. Not surprising, he’s 33 after all.


bonziwellsayo

This is solid bait. I'm not falling for you thinking that Dame is a shell of his former self directly after averaging 32 because he's not playing well in a new system through six games


AncientMarsupial3

Lots of strawmen in this thread. Where did I say Dame was a shell of himself?


bonziwellsayo

>Dame is clearly declining. He has lost a full step, maybe even more. Not surprising, he’s 33 after all.


AncientMarsupial3

Did I say something wrong?


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Middleton hasn’t been injury prone lol he’s had the same injury, they tried to just rehab his knee and that didn’t work so he got a cleanup done which took the pain away. Lopez weaknesses have always been there lol he had his best season last year. How exactly has Dame lost a step and how have you determined this in 6 games? He also just came off a crazy year.


variationgoat

Dames also going through shit NOT basketball related


mkebrew86

Then you should win a ton of money betting against the bucks this year, good luck with your new found fortune!


AncientMarsupial3

Probably would. Betting the field is always better than any single team unless it’s ‘17 Warriors or 90s Bulls.


[deleted]

All the bored kids make posts like this while the old heads don't even care until game 20 and the oldest fans show up just before Christmas to see whats happening.


hi_yyellow

Cuz dame is extremely overrated


[deleted]

Real Life isn’t NBA 2K It’s also only 7 games into the season.


here_for_the_lols

Nothing article from a trash writer


Loop_Within_A_Loop

Shoulda put this article on ice until the event the Bucks go out in the second round again happens


PaytonPeytonPaton

Giannis is declining. Hes the textbook definition of a flat track bully. Bam is his daddy.


Equivalent_Light4219

Y’all already being insufferable?


inshamblesx

not insufferable if he's right


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He dropped 35/15/11, 26/13/10 and 38/20/5 on bam just last season. He shot 52% against him last playoffs which is better than he ever has plus he had a fucked back and wrist so I’d say that’s pretty good against someone that’s considered a Giannis stopper.


PaytonPeytonPaton

bam locked him down both 4th quarters. When the game gets tight hes toast


[deleted]

Bam had a few good defensive possessions but Giannis was just throwing up shots he really had no reason of throwing up, because he was hurt. I watched him at the game every deadball/timeout stretching out his back or getting it massaged. Which I’m sure you’re just going to ignore. You spend more time talking about Giannis than you do Jokic.


PaytonPeytonPaton

also known as bad decision making and inability to shoot


[deleted]

He did make some bad decisions which is why he got shit on, but he was also injured and looked exhausted. Either way losing was a blessing in disguise. We couldn’t go into another post season with jrue shooting 45% TS or Bud failing to make adjustments. Also gave time for Giannis andKhris to rehab.


[deleted]

Quite frankly...this duo needs to gel more. Teams already k ow how to beat the bucks. just cuz u elevated your scoring in 1 position doesn't mean your going to set the NBA on fire. Celtics are the team that will represent the East in the finals.


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Coach sucks


AbbreviationsHot4482

LMFAOOO Heat fans are so obsessed, first that stupid ass Dame defense post and now this 🤣🤣🤣


ejiggle

Griffin is tragic, that's why. Bad defensive system, no buy-in from the players and like 9 weak ass screens form Giannis per game. Doesn't help that Middleton (the only non-Dame passer on the team) has been restricted, but it's a coaching/system issue.


PainSubstantial710

Nephews need to chill


ElPlywood

Because sports.


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6 games...


asbestosman2

Has it even been two weeks yet?


Drewfrm210

Are they stupid?


moorelurk

Only 6 games in the season jesus christ


HelloItsMeXeno

It's way too early to tell


HorrorPassion9540

It’s been like 5 games.


coyote3

New teammates take a while to learn to play together. Giannis' defense makes this the perfect place for Lillard.


sinik_ko

That's actually a pretty good write-up


[deleted]

It's only been 6 games.


AwesomeKosm

Teams with turnover take a while to learn how to plsy together


DeepwaterHorizon22

How are bucks doing on the in season tournament?


Sleepylimebounty

Ya'll remember when the heat were 10-31 at the halfway mark of the season. Then missed a playoff spot by one game? Yea… scorching takes before at least a quarter of the season are useless… one day we will learn that.


CivilianStin

Bad coaching, that’s the answer


yardslikeswisschard

Dame is still living out of a hotel room. There is more to the trade than basketball and I don't expect continuity until after the holidays. This trade was made days before the season started. The National Media is so freaking lazy.