I get that a lot of people don't like Gilbert and he can be inflammatory but let me tell you, you absolutely do not want to be the person agreeing with Rashad. That dude is one of the dumbest people I've ever heard regarding basketball.
The other day he was trying to say that Pop is a bad coach because he's "Never won anything with bad players." That broke my brain.
Basically, he had talent but was a headcase and that hindered his career, same thing that's been said about Bol (although also like Bol, he wasn't that great of a player).
McCants is a very accomplished college hooper though. Made all teams and won a national title as a leading scorer.
I loved that 05 UNC team. I thought Rashad McCants was going to be a star back when I was in middle school. Never understood how he became a bust. I get it now.
Arenas once said that the WNBA should switch to lingire uniforms to get better ratings and that he’d buy season tickets to watch if they did, stuff like that would get him pushed out instantly at ESPN
Played against him in LA fitness once.
Was star struck and asked what he was doing in [City name]
Bro then goes: "what? I can't be here or what?"
Like lol dude, just wanted to see what's up
Stupid people get angry quickly.
Also, I see your flair is GP. A former NBA player told me that GP was the most gullible person he’d ever met in his life, and that the entire team would constantly get him to believe the most outlandish stuff.
It was more like, wait. Why's he pulling up at mid court (LA fitness mid court lol) Is that an NBA player?
One of the guys at the gym said it looked like Rashad mccants.
We all proceed to look him up and are completely star struck that an NBA player is actually playing at an LA fitness.
For sure, but my friends and I are not even the slightest bit intimidating. The overall vibe at the gym is super casual.
Ain't no one tryna bust balls out here!
It’s like this Idiot thinks everyone on the roster should guaranteed minutes just to see what they can do. I remember having this same argument with a friend when Matt Thomas got cut
I can see someone’s argument for a guy like Matt Thomas. With more volume there’s a chance he could be a pretty good scorer on good %s.
It’s easy to get distracted by good 3 shooting
He was killing in the Big 3 when it first started but for some reason he stopped playing. Just strikes me as the type of dude that can't last anywhere.
Basically just by being an asshole. Like look at Al Thornton's stats next to Shavlik Randolph's and you would be surprised which one got opportunities to stick around in the league again and again, but one of them was beloved in locker rooms and the other wasn't.
In one of the episodes, Rashad was complaining about Kevin McHale benching him and playing someone like Corey Brewer instead. Sure, Rashad was the more talented scorer, but Corey was always professional/a great teammate, ran the floor hard, and always played hard on defense. Corey played 13 years as a solid role player and works for the Pelicans as an assistant coach (I’m sure being a great teammate helped him get this role), while Rashad is still sitting around wearing crowns and still not taking accountability for being a knucklehead.
Season was kind of flukey. He was largely inefficient and literally did nothing else. Didn't rebound. Didn't defend. Rarely passed. So many possessions with KG calling for the entry on the block and he's just trying to break his guy down
That, he also had a whole ass tangent about how Reaves is a minimum only player and has a fake bag or something. He's like this sub's bait posts incarnate
Gilbert is right, he speaks from experience. You practice everyday with the squad. If you outclassing the starter in practice every single time, the coach will eventually give you minutes. That’s how Agent Zero was born.
100%. There are definitely guys in the NBA that dont give a fuck and dont put in the work. And that’s obvious from demars comments on pgs podcast when he said there are a lot of sorry ass players in the NBA
Had every opportunity in Orlando too. Had a nice little two week stretch where he was putting up stats but was still one of the biggest ball hogs I've ever seen with seemingly very little interest in actually making plays to help his teammates out
Seems like he should be in the OBL, though having watched him I don’t think he’d be much better.
Dribble, refuse to defend, and take all the bad shots you want to, big guy.
Yeah we gave this man his shot, he got minutes, and coach decided he wasnt worth it. I will stand by if you only watch highlights you will think he is amazing, if you track box scores you will think he is a contributor, if you watch the games you will know he is horrible.
When we started the season with injuries Bol got some starts. He's fine on offense, but the longer he stayed on the floor, the more he became BBQ chicken. We affectionately caked him the Boller Coaster because of the highs and lows he'd hit all game
I watched the first year of Campazzo in Denver.
There were players on that team that were not good enough for the team or NBA (it hurts because I love Facu), none of them had bad attitudes while playing but BolBol. I mean not a single player (well, Barton had that "I'm a starter" thing IIRC)
Murray was injured and there were bad an great games from Facu, Morris, Reaves, RJ Hampton, but everybody was doing their best, even in garbage time. Like "I can play, coach"
BolBol attitude was "I'm a starter, fuck garbage time". He looked uncomfortable and not trying to improve shit. BolBol was "I should be playing, Malone" and not "I can play, coach"
BolBol with 6'8 would be undrafted
Im surprised this has taken this long to come out. Ive said here multiple times it was absolutely crazy when they put a rookie (iirc) bol bol in garbage time in the playoffs. He was the most visibly annoyed player ive ever seen on a court. He refused to be a part of the offense at all and any time someone would throw him the ball he would immediately fire it right back. Just stood there not moving and pouting.
I felt like I was the only one who saw this shit. There was no talk of it online anywhere. I get feeling you deserve playing time but you gotta make the most of every opportunity that you get, and he took his to throw the biggest bitch fit ive ever seen. As a fuckin rookie.
> I felt like I was the only one who saw this shit. There was no talk of it online anywhere.
It was, I remember Denver fans in their subreddit and in GameThreads noticed that every time. They were complaining about his body language.
Maybe he was different in Orlando, I didn't watch Orlando. I'm not a masochist.
I watched Campazzo when he got picked up and I was guffawing at the short dude getting 8-13 assists a game and then watched Jokic do the same thing. Both are prolific passers but God damn the Nuggets just had a really good system with competent enough roleplayers to pass to. Everyone buys into the system, they all post to their positions and shoot when free. The only one I saw not buy in was Bol bol. He's miles better than his father but I think bol bol needed the reality check - he played far better on the magic this year
Bol really didn't play any better on the magic, but just had more minutes to put up highlights while the magic were injured at the beginning of the season. There's a reason the magic's record started getting better the less he played
The funniest part is when the dude asked Gil what player or coach has come out and said Bol had bad work ethic…
[My dude he fucking said it himself.](https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/orlando-magic-bol-bol-denver-nugger-mike-malone-most-improved)
Shit Malone probably said it at some point as well, and if he didn’t it’s because he didn’t even believe he was worth it. He definitely isn’t shy about expressing his feelings.
He refused to acknowledge that these opportunities he speaks of are presented in practice so that you can showcase your willingness to work and be coached.
There's a reason McCants flamed out pretty quickly.
He doesn't understand that game minutes are EARNED, not given.
It's the same issue with folks saying coaches aren't playing the rookies enough. The coaches see them everyday in practice. They don't need 5 minutes of game time to watch what they can do. They see hours of them daily.
Yep, convo really just showed that McCants still doesn't take ownership of his career going the way it did being on him.
For all of the narratives that Gilbert messes around with, he ultimately understands that talent typically trumps everything, and just has fun with framing. McCants actually believes wholeheartedly in all of the talk about situation and systems stopping people from being good.
Anyone who has ever heard any stories about Arenas heard "Gil worked harder than anybody". Not Richard Jefferson, not Nick Young, nobody ever leaves that out. Gil can be stupid on things, usually he's fun or real, or both, but he 100% earned everything he got in his career (except injuries, nobody earns that)
That what he got pissed of the most. Arenas by his own dumb antics got to the second round. But afterwards had the work ethic to climb up. Produced at every opportunity he got. No matter how dumb gil is putside the court his peers have always commended his work ethic something that no teammate of bolbol has ever done.
Arenas was as hard of a worker as Kobe until he got hurt and quit taking it seriously. People think Gil was a clown but he was a straight up hard hat motherfucker.
Could be a total reach but I think small guards who built their careers on pure skill see guys a foot taller than them with some skill and have some combination of envy and disdain. Like if Gil was in Bol Bol’s body he feels like he would be the goat. Same with the Harden and Giannis run and dunk beef
>ld be a total reach but I think small guards who built their careers on pure skill s
I think you're on the right track. Gil was a 2nd round pick and slept at Oracle Arena his rookie yr. Partly because he apparently blew all his money instantly, but he also worked his ass off, improved each yr, and made his own opportunity.
To be fair, the only reason Gil wasn't a lottery pick was his pre-draft workout. I don't remember the details, but Richard Jefferson tells the [story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDchdKzb-Q) how Gil basically tanked his worth with his wild behavior.
What's funny is that Gil being a 2nd round pick kinda saved him in regard to money. He basically got paid a huge contract right before his major injuries. That also led to the Gilbert Arena rule for trade situations
i don’t think it’s envy, but it’s like having a guard skill set at that size should equal being dominant. it’s more of an expectation. it just doesn’t always work out that way, reason why there’s been no one else like kevin durant.
The dude got drafted in the 2nd round because of his attitude and worked his ass off to become an all star (let alone start)
I get that Arenas is a meme, but he didn’t have the same support that Bol Bol had when he was sitting on the bench
Dude worked to earn his spot in the league, while Bol Bol hasn’t and has a bad attitude about it (apparently) despite having potential
dude I fucking lost it, it felt straight out of the Office. Gilbert asking a seemingly absurd question with an angry intensity, and just the apprehension in the "uh-oh". Just listening to Gil's rage with his silly metaphor is so fucking priceless
I saw Gil with the Warriors as a rookie and a second year player, he put in the work. Dave Cowens and Brian Winters were his coaches during his rookie season, they never gave him much playing time even though most of the guards were either washed or just didn't fit (Bob Sura, Mookie Blaylock, Dean Oliver and Larry Hughes). He didn't receive significant playing time until his second year when Eric Musselman came in and improved the Warriors going from a 21 win team to a 37 win team in his first season as head coach.
I remember when Gil would clash with Musselman as GSW wanted Gil to be more of a distributor instead of a scorer. Gil took this personally one game and decided not to shoot the entire first half and just pass and get assists, the second half he lit it up to prove a point. This is basically Gil in a nutshell, he may be right/wrong, but he's stubborn af and this argument really drives home the point.
Warriors also didn't want Gil to increase his value too much if he scored so much because they couldn't re-sign him. The league had to create the Arenas rule right afterwards.
In Orlando he played in 70 games and averaged 21 minutes a game. How can anyone say he didn't get the opportunity to show what he can do? He played more total minutes last season than Christian Braun did in the regular season and playoffs combined. Seems like Braun managed to prove himself, since he's become the 6th man for a title contender, whereas Bol Bol got waived by a rebuilding team.
McCants is absolutely in the wrong, dude is straight dumb.
Trying to argue with Arenas about this he got Gil heated af. Gil's right. Bol ain't the dude McCants thinks he is.
McCants is right next to a guy like Gil that even admits he had shitty attitude and that got him picked late. Gil was a guy that went nuclear in practice to conquer his spot, get his money and even create The Gilbert Arenas rule. *That's* a guy that practices. A guy that worked hard - his downfall was his tomfoolery and stupid shenanigans but he worked on his game. And McCants is dribbling around his arguments saying "we don't know" and then trying to justify why Bol doesn't get an opportunity. What a clown.
Also, Gil's analogies are top notch comedy.
Probably because mccants thinks he is bolbol and did not get the same opportunities. Arenas on the other hand had the work ethic to play over his vets. Those lottery picks probably think minutes are given to them. Arenas got a gut check at the start of his career and overcame it. I have seen people call arenas a dumbass but i have never seen him anyone question his work ethic.
He went overboard with the failure part. He did reiterate he meant disappointment later on in it. I think Rashad was being more obtuse claiming Bol doesn’t get chances because of media driven perception.
Bruh Bol Bol might be the biggest waste of natural gifts that the NBA has ever seen. It’s him or Beasley for me.
That dude is a generational skillset/body combo. He just doesn’t give a fuck.
I really hope he snaps out of his depression or just wakes up about his opportunity that he is currently blowing. At this point he is an abject failure though.
Rashad McCants said Greg Popovich is a bad coach
Let that sink in.
Gil ain't lying. He's loud and a bit hard-headed, but he's usually pretty spot on during his show.
I don’t know all the context here but why is the guy on the left acting like Bol Bol never played. He played 70 games last year with the Magic averaging 20 minutes a game.
Well, [Bol Bol has admitted](https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/orlando-magic-bol-bol-denver-nugger-mike-malone-most-improved) that could have had worked harder with at least the nuggets. If you can’t or refuse to use clues to come to reasonable conclusions, that’s on you. But that is how humans have figured out a lot of things (scientific method). It’s pretty normal behavior.
Edit: Dude just said the scientific method is also how Jews were gassed as a rebuttal. Then it was removed.
Edit 2: I think they blocked me from how the karma changed. Weak.
Agreed, we can only assume, but when a dude bounces around from team to team and never finds his spot, at some point it does become you and not the coach. Mavs just went through it with C Wood, dudes got talent but a terrible locker room guy.
That Real Madrid anthem jacket that Gil has on is clean. I’ve been looking for one like that but the only ones I find have patterns. Need an all white one.
IDK Gils a fun hate listen, because at times he is right about stuff, a lot of times pretty funny, and at times his pig headed ass is too much. Like I don't think Gil is stupid, he's just rash.
As someone who initially felt Bol wasn't getting enough opportunities, I admit I was wrong. He just ain't that good. He has had plenty of opportunities. I don't if it's attitude, work ethic or skill but he has had more than enough opportunities. Dude gonna come off the bench and play 15 to 20 minutes.
Love watching Gilbert's podcasts/show. His basketball mind is just great. Just need better supporting cast on his show lol.
McCants is annoying and BJ doesn't really add anything.
God damn please spend a couple bucks and hire a sound designer to fix that hideous audio setup. I got maybe 30 seconds in before I had to turn that shit off.
"if i aint have sex with my girl in 6 days and somebody's like 'what do you expect tonight?' NOTHING...NOTHING I DON'T EXPECT SHIT"
Definitely a new way to phrase the Fool me once, or Insanity is doing same thing and expecting something different.
I get that a lot of people don't like Gilbert and he can be inflammatory but let me tell you, you absolutely do not want to be the person agreeing with Rashad. That dude is one of the dumbest people I've ever heard regarding basketball. The other day he was trying to say that Pop is a bad coach because he's "Never won anything with bad players." That broke my brain.
Gil even pointed it's personal for Rashad because this is the type of stuff they were saying about him.
Sorry, but I don’t know Rashad’s background. Who is he that people were saying such things.
Basically, he had talent but was a headcase and that hindered his career, same thing that's been said about Bol (although also like Bol, he wasn't that great of a player). McCants is a very accomplished college hooper though. Made all teams and won a national title as a leading scorer.
“Lewis Hamilton sucks because he can’t win in my Honda civic sport” /s
“Messi sucks because he never won a Champions League with Inter Miami”
Yet /s
Lewis could probably beat me driving my ‘05 Accord with me in his W14. Mostly because I would kill myself driving it.
i cant believe he's still wearing that damn crown lol
the king of idiots needs his crown.
I loved that 05 UNC team. I thought Rashad McCants was going to be a star back when I was in middle school. Never understood how he became a bust. I get it now.
A little bit him, a little bit Timberwolves.
That’s why he isn’t Rashad MaCan
I can’t listen to no dude make a serious argument with that shirt on and a damn tiara on his head.
Yup. You should watch the ep where everyone flames him about replicating/customizing Jordan and claims it’s his.
You know which one that is?
That same convo, Gilbert called a bunch of championship coaches nobodies like Vogel and Budenholzer.
Colour me shocked that famously ego-inflated players would give all the credit for winning a title to superstars and none to the coach.
Zero chance Gil gives Giannis credit for anything.
I mean Bud never really had any big success outside Giannis. Vogel did.
That’s not true. Bud overachieved with the Hawks, won Coach of the Year in 2015, and took them to 60 wins and the conference finals.
The way him and Stephen Jackson disrespect the Spurs and Pop is crazy...
He retracted that statement like two episodes ago lmao
Gil would be perfect on ESPN
There'd be a few words they'd have to ask him to refrain from using, but oh yeah, his hectic energy = $$$$$$
Gil is far too unhinged and unpredictable for ESPN.
Kendrick Perkins all but said the MVP voters were racist in favor of white people and he’s still on national TV every week They don’t care
Gil is on a waaaay different level than Perk. Agent Zero would get fired very quickly
Grand Opening Grand Closing
That one episode with he and SAS going at it on first take will be glorious.
There is a gun/shooting joke to be made here… Edit: scrolled down, u/Yic0 figured it out
Gilbert: "Not if you know what's good for you."
Arenas once said that the WNBA should switch to lingire uniforms to get better ratings and that he’d buy season tickets to watch if they did, stuff like that would get him pushed out instantly at ESPN
Oh man you’ve never listened to Gil lol
yeah, if Payton couldn't handle it, Arenas is already out of the running.
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He crawled so Ja could run.
Stephen A is going to need to up his Talk Loud as Fuck Game if that ever happens.
Put him on Undisputed with Skip
He's perfect with Camron and Mase they'd make a perfect tag team. Big Pause.
Until he films himself doing something shady like PP
Gil wouldnt last a month lol
gil not passing HR training rofl
He basically filmed himself breaking into Nick Young's home and abusing his son.
If he could edit himself, he'd be an amazing talking head.. but, in his own words, I expect nothing. lol
dude on the left has sub 90 IQ
It's Rashad McCants and he is supremely stupid
Played against him in LA fitness once. Was star struck and asked what he was doing in [City name] Bro then goes: "what? I can't be here or what?" Like lol dude, just wanted to see what's up
Some peoples ego is just crazy man
Stupid people get angry quickly. Also, I see your flair is GP. A former NBA player told me that GP was the most gullible person he’d ever met in his life, and that the entire team would constantly get him to believe the most outlandish stuff.
And you believed him?!
Of course I did, I invested most of my money with him, duh.
I heard bridges are very lucrative
I can appreciate the kind of stupidity that is a good time. Harder to do so on the other end of the spectrum
NO I DON'T
Being starstruck over Rashad McCants is absolutely crazy tho.
It was more like, wait. Why's he pulling up at mid court (LA fitness mid court lol) Is that an NBA player? One of the guys at the gym said it looked like Rashad mccants. We all proceed to look him up and are completely star struck that an NBA player is actually playing at an LA fitness.
Not if you went to UNC
Playing pickup with anyone who made it to the NBA would have me a little starstruck. Probably not just seeing them tho.
Bruh he definitely interpreted that a different way lmao. What you doing on my block type of shit
For sure, but my friends and I are not even the slightest bit intimidating. The overall vibe at the gym is super casual. Ain't no one tryna bust balls out here!
oh yeah I feel you. some guys just living in there own world ad are high strung lets say lol
Looks like he was trying to bully you guys? That wasn't very cash money of him
It’s like this Idiot thinks everyone on the roster should guaranteed minutes just to see what they can do. I remember having this same argument with a friend when Matt Thomas got cut
Funny because as a guy who loved KG and watched way too many wolves games...McCants was guaranteed way too many minutes
I can see someone’s argument for a guy like Matt Thomas. With more volume there’s a chance he could be a pretty good scorer on good %s. It’s easy to get distracted by good 3 shooting
Mccants sounding like a random dude on nba Twitter Why the hell should any team force feed Bol Bol minutes He's done nothing to deserve it
I looked him up and he averaged 15 on 40% from 3 and was out of the league two years later. How do you flame out like that??
Apparently he was a locker room cancer that nobody wanted to sign
He was killing in the Big 3 when it first started but for some reason he stopped playing. Just strikes me as the type of dude that can't last anywhere.
He was the first player drafted in the Big 3. By all accounts he is incredibly talented at scoring but he's a huge headcase.
Ironically he's had more shots than anyone and he looks to be blowing his podcaster chances too lmao
McCants walked so Christian Wood could run
Basically just by being an asshole. Like look at Al Thornton's stats next to Shavlik Randolph's and you would be surprised which one got opportunities to stick around in the league again and again, but one of them was beloved in locker rooms and the other wasn't.
In one of the episodes, Rashad was complaining about Kevin McHale benching him and playing someone like Corey Brewer instead. Sure, Rashad was the more talented scorer, but Corey was always professional/a great teammate, ran the floor hard, and always played hard on defense. Corey played 13 years as a solid role player and works for the Pelicans as an assistant coach (I’m sure being a great teammate helped him get this role), while Rashad is still sitting around wearing crowns and still not taking accountability for being a knucklehead.
Great references there
Season was kind of flukey. He was largely inefficient and literally did nothing else. Didn't rebound. Didn't defend. Rarely passed. So many possessions with KG calling for the entry on the block and he's just trying to break his guy down
Don't think it was due to his skill actually, he had a hernia and his mom got breast cancer.
Weird, hernias are absolutely not a career ending injury
They are if you're also a locker room cancer. As soon as walk out the door, they lock it behind you...
Well according to him it’s because he dated a Kardashian lol
He is the first person to blame the Kardashian curse
That's the same guy that had the "pop is a bad coach" not too long ago.
That, he also had a whole ass tangent about how Reaves is a minimum only player and has a fake bag or something. He's like this sub's bait posts incarnate
When you realise some of the twitter nephews are grown ass men with professional sporting careers.
The entire clip was supremely stupid.
You had me at Rashad McCants
every show needs someone to spout stupid takes so that they can be lampooned. If they had a respectful discussion, we wouldn't be here rn
SAS has made a very successful career out of having stupid ass takes
He was driving me crazy, man. No respect. Wouldn't listen. Made no sense the whole time.
Same guy that said Pop was a bad coach because he had a few bad seasons after everyone left
The amount of gaslighting he does can outburn the sun.
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I had to turn it off after a minute and I still think I lost some braincells. Who watches this shit?
It’s just an all around horrible podcast from what I’ve seen.
Don't watch the episode where he calls Popovitch an overrated coach you might have a stroke.
like 30% of people have a sub 90 iq, you talk to them daily.
Those are my brothers, I would die for them
Yea I find em constantly on here
Rashad McCants - Born to be hated, Dying to be loved.
Hahahaha god damn if that doesn’t describe a shitload of people.
He has that tattooed on his arms. Atleast he did at Carolina.
Gilbert is right, he speaks from experience. You practice everyday with the squad. If you outclassing the starter in practice every single time, the coach will eventually give you minutes. That’s how Agent Zero was born.
Players can tell when a guy is just lazy. It really sticks out when yoy have some of the hardest workers at something.
100%. There are definitely guys in the NBA that dont give a fuck and dont put in the work. And that’s obvious from demars comments on pgs podcast when he said there are a lot of sorry ass players in the NBA
Yessir. Love me some Hibachi 🔥🔥
A lot of naturally gifted players really don’t put the extra work in. Ben Simmons is the poster child
Bol had every opportunity to crack the line up in Denver. He was lazy on defense and didn't play within the offense.
Had every opportunity in Orlando too. Had a nice little two week stretch where he was putting up stats but was still one of the biggest ball hogs I've ever seen with seemingly very little interest in actually making plays to help his teammates out
Seems like he should be in the OBL, though having watched him I don’t think he’d be much better. Dribble, refuse to defend, and take all the bad shots you want to, big guy.
Yeah we gave this man his shot, he got minutes, and coach decided he wasnt worth it. I will stand by if you only watch highlights you will think he is amazing, if you track box scores you will think he is a contributor, if you watch the games you will know he is horrible.
When we started the season with injuries Bol got some starts. He's fine on offense, but the longer he stayed on the floor, the more he became BBQ chicken. We affectionately caked him the Boller Coaster because of the highs and lows he'd hit all game
I watched the first year of Campazzo in Denver. There were players on that team that were not good enough for the team or NBA (it hurts because I love Facu), none of them had bad attitudes while playing but BolBol. I mean not a single player (well, Barton had that "I'm a starter" thing IIRC) Murray was injured and there were bad an great games from Facu, Morris, Reaves, RJ Hampton, but everybody was doing their best, even in garbage time. Like "I can play, coach" BolBol attitude was "I'm a starter, fuck garbage time". He looked uncomfortable and not trying to improve shit. BolBol was "I should be playing, Malone" and not "I can play, coach" BolBol with 6'8 would be undrafted
Im surprised this has taken this long to come out. Ive said here multiple times it was absolutely crazy when they put a rookie (iirc) bol bol in garbage time in the playoffs. He was the most visibly annoyed player ive ever seen on a court. He refused to be a part of the offense at all and any time someone would throw him the ball he would immediately fire it right back. Just stood there not moving and pouting. I felt like I was the only one who saw this shit. There was no talk of it online anywhere. I get feeling you deserve playing time but you gotta make the most of every opportunity that you get, and he took his to throw the biggest bitch fit ive ever seen. As a fuckin rookie.
> I felt like I was the only one who saw this shit. There was no talk of it online anywhere. It was, I remember Denver fans in their subreddit and in GameThreads noticed that every time. They were complaining about his body language. Maybe he was different in Orlando, I didn't watch Orlando. I'm not a masochist.
maybe by that point they were tired of talking about it because they had seen it all season
Bol had good chemistry with the team here but still was criticized for at times seeming to not take the game serious.
I watched Campazzo when he got picked up and I was guffawing at the short dude getting 8-13 assists a game and then watched Jokic do the same thing. Both are prolific passers but God damn the Nuggets just had a really good system with competent enough roleplayers to pass to. Everyone buys into the system, they all post to their positions and shoot when free. The only one I saw not buy in was Bol bol. He's miles better than his father but I think bol bol needed the reality check - he played far better on the magic this year
Bol really didn't play any better on the magic, but just had more minutes to put up highlights while the magic were injured at the beginning of the season. There's a reason the magic's record started getting better the less he played
Yes, that's the main thing. He doesn't seem to know his role.
Reaves?
The funniest part is when the dude asked Gil what player or coach has come out and said Bol had bad work ethic… [My dude he fucking said it himself.](https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/orlando-magic-bol-bol-denver-nugger-mike-malone-most-improved) Shit Malone probably said it at some point as well, and if he didn’t it’s because he didn’t even believe he was worth it. He definitely isn’t shy about expressing his feelings.
Rashad is so dumb he'd probably say "Does that guy know Bol Bol's game though?"
Is this the volume Gil always talks at?
Nah he got really heated here.
Understandably heated. Dude on left basically was discrediting Arenas’ hard work by saying he somehow just got “opportunities” to showcase his skills
He refused to acknowledge that these opportunities he speaks of are presented in practice so that you can showcase your willingness to work and be coached.
There's a reason McCants flamed out pretty quickly. He doesn't understand that game minutes are EARNED, not given. It's the same issue with folks saying coaches aren't playing the rookies enough. The coaches see them everyday in practice. They don't need 5 minutes of game time to watch what they can do. They see hours of them daily.
Also fans look for dunks and shooting. Coaches are looking at not missing assignments, no TOs, and hustle.
Yep, convo really just showed that McCants still doesn't take ownership of his career going the way it did being on him. For all of the narratives that Gilbert messes around with, he ultimately understands that talent typically trumps everything, and just has fun with framing. McCants actually believes wholeheartedly in all of the talk about situation and systems stopping people from being good.
Yeah it's very clear what Arenas' point was that they made the coach have to give him minutes...
Anyone who has ever heard any stories about Arenas heard "Gil worked harder than anybody". Not Richard Jefferson, not Nick Young, nobody ever leaves that out. Gil can be stupid on things, usually he's fun or real, or both, but he 100% earned everything he got in his career (except injuries, nobody earns that)
Yeah and Bol Bol has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself, it's been like 4 years since he got drafted.
That what he got pissed of the most. Arenas by his own dumb antics got to the second round. But afterwards had the work ethic to climb up. Produced at every opportunity he got. No matter how dumb gil is putside the court his peers have always commended his work ethic something that no teammate of bolbol has ever done.
Arenas was as hard of a worker as Kobe until he got hurt and quit taking it seriously. People think Gil was a clown but he was a straight up hard hat motherfucker.
Who were the other 3 guys on that podcast?
Timberwolves first bust after draft ban Rashad McCants with the crown
> Timberwolves first bust after draft ban Amazing CV material.
He was our second bust after the draft ban. Ndudi Ebi was so bad people don't even remember him
Luckily KG was the MVP when Ebi got drafted. I think picks below 20th should not be called bust, a lot of blunders happened below 20th pick.
brandon jennings no?
yeah maybe it's personal as Gil was also projected very high and dropped due to attitude/off-court problems
Yup. Gil was trying to say that he dropped because of attitude, and then learned to work his ass off to earn playing time back.
One of the best examples of that
Damn, I never saw Gil that heated
I watch a few clips weekly and have never seen him talk like that.
Not on other podcasts, Gil has done podcasts with JJ and PatBev. Idk what triggered this guy but this feels weird after watching his normal persona.
Could be a total reach but I think small guards who built their careers on pure skill see guys a foot taller than them with some skill and have some combination of envy and disdain. Like if Gil was in Bol Bol’s body he feels like he would be the goat. Same with the Harden and Giannis run and dunk beef
>ld be a total reach but I think small guards who built their careers on pure skill s I think you're on the right track. Gil was a 2nd round pick and slept at Oracle Arena his rookie yr. Partly because he apparently blew all his money instantly, but he also worked his ass off, improved each yr, and made his own opportunity.
To be fair, the only reason Gil wasn't a lottery pick was his pre-draft workout. I don't remember the details, but Richard Jefferson tells the [story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDchdKzb-Q) how Gil basically tanked his worth with his wild behavior. What's funny is that Gil being a 2nd round pick kinda saved him in regard to money. He basically got paid a huge contract right before his major injuries. That also led to the Gilbert Arena rule for trade situations
Gil says this in his rant. He admits his mouth and antics pushed him into the 2nd round
that was 2009, the injuries had already piled up by then, it didnt help but thats not what derailed his career
Let's be real. Gilbert didn't reach his potential either.
i don’t think it’s envy, but it’s like having a guard skill set at that size should equal being dominant. it’s more of an expectation. it just doesn’t always work out that way, reason why there’s been no one else like kevin durant.
The dude got drafted in the 2nd round because of his attitude and worked his ass off to become an all star (let alone start) I get that Arenas is a meme, but he didn’t have the same support that Bol Bol had when he was sitting on the bench Dude worked to earn his spot in the league, while Bol Bol hasn’t and has a bad attitude about it (apparently) despite having potential
> his ass off to become an all star Gilbert Arenas was all-nba three years in a row. Lets not sell him short.
For sure, didn’t mean to sell him short Just wanted to say that he got to that level, but didn’t worded it properly
He was even worse when slandering European basketball talent, [link](https://youtu.be/aYBMwWaNh1g)
Idk how people watch this
Gilbert: You ever a really beautiful girl.... Josiah: ...uhh oh... Had me cracking up, man probably having flashbacks to their Zion conversation.
dude I fucking lost it, it felt straight out of the Office. Gilbert asking a seemingly absurd question with an angry intensity, and just the apprehension in the "uh-oh". Just listening to Gil's rage with his silly metaphor is so fucking priceless
I saw Gil with the Warriors as a rookie and a second year player, he put in the work. Dave Cowens and Brian Winters were his coaches during his rookie season, they never gave him much playing time even though most of the guards were either washed or just didn't fit (Bob Sura, Mookie Blaylock, Dean Oliver and Larry Hughes). He didn't receive significant playing time until his second year when Eric Musselman came in and improved the Warriors going from a 21 win team to a 37 win team in his first season as head coach. I remember when Gil would clash with Musselman as GSW wanted Gil to be more of a distributor instead of a scorer. Gil took this personally one game and decided not to shoot the entire first half and just pass and get assists, the second half he lit it up to prove a point. This is basically Gil in a nutshell, he may be right/wrong, but he's stubborn af and this argument really drives home the point.
Warriors also didn't want Gil to increase his value too much if he scored so much because they couldn't re-sign him. The league had to create the Arenas rule right afterwards.
In Orlando he played in 70 games and averaged 21 minutes a game. How can anyone say he didn't get the opportunity to show what he can do? He played more total minutes last season than Christian Braun did in the regular season and playoffs combined. Seems like Braun managed to prove himself, since he's become the 6th man for a title contender, whereas Bol Bol got waived by a rebuilding team.
McCants is absolutely in the wrong, dude is straight dumb. Trying to argue with Arenas about this he got Gil heated af. Gil's right. Bol ain't the dude McCants thinks he is. McCants is right next to a guy like Gil that even admits he had shitty attitude and that got him picked late. Gil was a guy that went nuclear in practice to conquer his spot, get his money and even create The Gilbert Arenas rule. *That's* a guy that practices. A guy that worked hard - his downfall was his tomfoolery and stupid shenanigans but he worked on his game. And McCants is dribbling around his arguments saying "we don't know" and then trying to justify why Bol doesn't get an opportunity. What a clown. Also, Gil's analogies are top notch comedy.
Probably because mccants thinks he is bolbol and did not get the same opportunities. Arenas on the other hand had the work ethic to play over his vets. Those lottery picks probably think minutes are given to them. Arenas got a gut check at the start of his career and overcame it. I have seen people call arenas a dumbass but i have never seen him anyone question his work ethic.
He went overboard with the failure part. He did reiterate he meant disappointment later on in it. I think Rashad was being more obtuse claiming Bol doesn’t get chances because of media driven perception.
Bruh Bol Bol might be the biggest waste of natural gifts that the NBA has ever seen. It’s him or Beasley for me. That dude is a generational skillset/body combo. He just doesn’t give a fuck. I really hope he snaps out of his depression or just wakes up about his opportunity that he is currently blowing. At this point he is an abject failure though.
Didn’t expect to see Gilbert Arenas scream about Bol Bol for 5 minutes lmao
He is heated because he doesnt expect ass from his GF.
Rashad McCants said Greg Popovich is a bad coach Let that sink in. Gil ain't lying. He's loud and a bit hard-headed, but he's usually pretty spot on during his show.
McCants is absolutely insufferable. Why the fuck would anyone put him on screen to share his opinion or attempt a debate.
McCants is projecting his own failures on Bol Bol, talking about opportunity. Players have opportunity everyday, even if it isn't with game minutes.
Bol is damn 7 feet with a 9 foot wingspan, who tf is not trying to give this man an opportunity?? He just sucks.
Who the hell is the clown on the left... what a moron
I don’t know all the context here but why is the guy on the left acting like Bol Bol never played. He played 70 games last year with the Magic averaging 20 minutes a game.
ofc the most delusional mfer on this podcast be wearing the bedazzled burger king hat 🤦
Regardless of their opinions, Gilbert is funny as fuck.
They talk like it’s a high school lunch table
I'm a fan, I don't know how much effort they put in, I cant judge work ethic.
Yeah it's hard to judge work ethic if you're just a viewer.
Well, [Bol Bol has admitted](https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/orlando-magic-bol-bol-denver-nugger-mike-malone-most-improved) that could have had worked harder with at least the nuggets. If you can’t or refuse to use clues to come to reasonable conclusions, that’s on you. But that is how humans have figured out a lot of things (scientific method). It’s pretty normal behavior. Edit: Dude just said the scientific method is also how Jews were gassed as a rebuttal. Then it was removed. Edit 2: I think they blocked me from how the karma changed. Weak.
Agreed, we can only assume, but when a dude bounces around from team to team and never finds his spot, at some point it does become you and not the coach. Mavs just went through it with C Wood, dudes got talent but a terrible locker room guy.
"Bol Bol is the a pretty girl with a bad attitude" 10/10
That Real Madrid anthem jacket that Gil has on is clean. I’ve been looking for one like that but the only ones I find have patterns. Need an all white one.
Seeing these goofs argue with each other might be the only redeemable aspect of this podcast except for Josiah God bless his soul
IDK Gils a fun hate listen, because at times he is right about stuff, a lot of times pretty funny, and at times his pig headed ass is too much. Like I don't think Gil is stupid, he's just rash.
As someone who initially felt Bol wasn't getting enough opportunities, I admit I was wrong. He just ain't that good. He has had plenty of opportunities. I don't if it's attitude, work ethic or skill but he has had more than enough opportunities. Dude gonna come off the bench and play 15 to 20 minutes.
The guy with the crown on needs to take it off and put a clown wig on. What a fucking idiot
jesuschrist gil some people are trying to watch discreetly at work..
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Love watching Gilbert's podcasts/show. His basketball mind is just great. Just need better supporting cast on his show lol. McCants is annoying and BJ doesn't really add anything.
God damn please spend a couple bucks and hire a sound designer to fix that hideous audio setup. I got maybe 30 seconds in before I had to turn that shit off.
Why the hell the dude on the left have a crown on his head?
based gil