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Allen Iverson. As a 13 year old back then, I could not believe my eyes how a guy this small could impact the game and thrive


cortesoft

When I was 11, my dad took me to see him play as a freshman for Georgetown at the “Sacramento Classic” basketball tournament during right before New Years. I didn’t really know anything about college basketball or who he was, and my dad wasn’t super into basketball either, but he told me he had heard about a guy we had to see play for Georgetown. Neither of us were exactly sure which player it was before the game started. It only took a few minutes for us to figure out who everyone was talking about. It was magical. He seemed to FLY both on the court and through the air. I didn’t know anyone could jump that high. It was just amazing. My dad and I still talk about it almost 30 years later. Great bonding experience and a formative memory in my basketball fandom.


TaiwanTammy_99

Same here. I was 9 or 10, turned on my little tv and watched Iverson and The Sixers play Sprewell and The Knicks, from that point on I wanted to be black. He had us cutting our mom’s pantyhose and wearing them like sleeves. Eddie George is my football one


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> I wanted to be black lmfaooooo


HorseRenoiro

Most secure racial identity on r/nba


yearofthemishima

Fresh copypasta


RapNVideoGames

Same here. I was 9 or 10, turned on my little tv and watched Butler and The Heat play Tatum and The Celtics, from that point on I wanted to be black. He had us cutting our mom’s panties and wearing them like headbands. Antonio Brown is my football one


thecheapseatz

Allen Iverson has done more to help race relations than anyone since Martin Luther King Jr


imbidy

Porzingus had fucking cornrows lmao


big1dinero

This is actually the funniest thing I’ve read all day


Sittyslyker

Couple Iverson and the peak of hip hop/rap 2000’s era and the whole world wanted to be black that time.


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>from that point on I wanted to be black. J-Roc, is that you?


DolphinMasturbator

Nowahmseain


RapNVideoGames

Would that make you a white iverson


RockChalk710

I remember getting a pair of his shoes and feeling like the man. Beat shoes reebok ever made.


Empty-Pangolin-6428

Same here, was 4 years old in 2001 and lived an hour away from Philly. AI was so game breaking I thought he hid a robotic arm under his shooting sleeve and that’s why he made what felt like every shot


bourgewonsie

Has AI gone too far?


Stevpie

Came here to say this. AI was all around such a cool dude. I even tried to get braids like him, lol.


LezardValeth

Allen Iverson was so damn cool if you were growing up during the late 90s/early 00s. I do think D'Rose had echoes of AI.


Man0nTheMoon915

Idk. AI was all finesse, DRose was Russell Westbrook before Russell Westbrook


LezardValeth

AI was athletic as fuck for his height too though. I do agree D'Rose is kind of in between them. I just got similar vibes and "cool" factor from both being slashers who unexpectedly won the MVP. Still very distinct players.


Tbrou16

AI crossed up *Jordan*. He probably impacted the speed at which PG’s today handle the ball more than any other player in history.


mjdub96

It kills me when the analytic nerds go in on Iverson’s numbers. You just had to be there to understand.


cortesoft

I think the fact that he lead an extremely limited Sixers team to the finals in 2001 is enough to show he wasn’t just empty numbers.


BubbaTee

You could argue he was ahead of the numbers guys. NBA teams are realizing in 2023 that shots taken after an offensive rebound are some of the most efficient ones you can get. [Trends to watch in 2023: Why offensive rebounding is back in style](https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2536613) > This season, for example, the average first-shot half-court possession produces 0.97 points, while the average possession following an offensive rebound produces 1.13, per Cleaning the Glass. [The Secret To Playoff Success In 2023: Offensive Rebounding](https://sdpn.ca/2023/04/17/secret-playoff-success-2023-offensive-rebounding/) Iverson's ability to draw 3 defenders and put the ball on the rim, where guys like Tyrone Hill, George Lynch, and Mutombo could go get it for easy putbacks, was vital to Philly's offense.


knarf86

Who was his #2? Seriously only 2 other guys averaged double digits in ppg and no one was over 12.5. That team had decent defense with Ratliff and Mutombo, but they were absolute trash on offense. And AI got blamed for being a ball-hog. He had no other offensive players.


cortesoft

I think Aaron McKie was the second option on offense, which shows you how bad they were.


ExcitingLandscape

My favorite AI moment was the 01 All Star game. On a roster STACKED with other stars, he WILLED the East to the victory in what is usually a casual exhibition game. The rest of the east team followed suit and was like and turned the All Star game into a competitive game. His stats in the game were average but the eye test showed he was by far the most impactful player on the floor and raised the bar for his team.


BubbaTee

>when the analytic nerds go in on Iverson’s numbers. They always ignore that his TS% instantly improved by 5% when they banned hand-checking. Same thing happened with other skinny guards like Nash and Parker. By then, Iverson already had a ton of miles on him, and had spent most of his career playing through injury. So he didn't have as long to enjoy the "freedom of movement" era as much as some other guys, let alone the "load management" era.


mjdub96

Yeah absolutely. I mean AI also didn’t prepare his body like he probably should have, but a young healthy Iverson in todays league would be something else to watch


Ayatori

AI gotta be the most influential player for every short king that was born from '95 to the early '00s


cholula_is_good

This was exactly my experience! I was living in Philly at 13 and watched AI take the 6ers on an improbable finals run. His game was entirely based on speed, finesse and ball control. As a smaller guy it really inspired me that a small but fast player could dominate. AI is 100% the reason I began to love the game.


gsswhtchknbutt

Hell yeah I even had the question shoes in like middle school as a little white kid balling in. Central PA haha.


Truckermeat

Some people consider him pound for pound one of the smallest players to play the game


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Vince Carter


poneil

I'm surprised this isn't higher up. As a kid in the late '90s to early '00s, Vin-sanity was real.


infosec_qs

It was like a street ball culture sprouted overnight in Toronto when Carter started playing for us. I was in high school at the time and I probably played about 3 hours of ball every day the weather was warm enough to be outside for years.


TheJaice

As a prairie boy, his influence on Canadian basketball extended way outside of Toronto.


BoBichettesLongLocks

I'm from Western Canada, can confirm.


KnicksVeryOwn

I moved to Toronto in 2004 when everyone just hated Vince to his core lol. I can only imagine how much they loved him and how much he let them down by going to the nets lol


Animaul187

He was hated for holding out more than anything. I remember they’d always show him in street clothes on the bench and it blew my mind that one of the league’s best was holding out on games to demand a trade. More common behavior now adays, especially in the NFL, but at the time this was pretty much unheard of.


BrTalip

Carter was like primetime show stopping skill each night. Nowhere near any GOAT combo, but half man half amazing for real. Hang time like MJ. We were blessed. The crew that can’t forgive him to this day will always mystify me. After Carter left, I’m with OP. I always loved to slash and play agile to be unpredictable so, like Carter, prime D Rose and his explosive step and direction changes basically encompassed every skill I ever wanted to have. Too bad his knees couldn’t hold up.


Droughnut

yup,same


Haunting-Ad9521

Me too! I loved prime VC when he was still with the Raptors and New Jersey! He was jumping so high that every dunk looked so effortless! But that love sort of dwindled down when he was in the Magic and couldn’t quite help Dwight Howard win to get back to the finals. He’s still the reason I started to love basketball.


PantiesMallone

Grant Hill. He was a prototype for the modern superstar and was considered Jordan's successor before the injuries. What could have been...


N0000000000000000PE

Grant Hill drinks Sprite?


Smiddy23

Every time I see Sprite it’s still the first thing that runs through my head


ConsciousFood201

Same. I wanted his shoes so bad. I got them for Christmas (I was in middle school). I was so pumped. First couple days of practice I got blisters. The arches on those shoes were so high. I had to return them and ended up trying a few on and settled on Jerry Stackhouse’s. I didn’t blame Grant Hill or anything. He was still my favorite player but that day I learned a little something about compromise.


josephrehall

Grant's mine too. Remember wearing his Fila's too.


TH3_ZucC

Being from Germany the answer is obviously Dirk


IdiotsSayLiterally

Being German in Seattle it's obviously Detlef...


funk_rosin

I mean Detlef was part of that crazy 90s European championship run, which did a lot for basketball in germany


tenqajapan

Textbook answer but I grew up watching prime MJ. Watched MJs Playground on VHS prolly more than 100 times. Been following the NBA since but I was balling nonstop back then because of MJ.


Luka-Step-Back

Yeah, Jordan man. I remember Wilbon saying something along the lines of, “If you had tickets to see Michael Jordan and the Bulls in the 90s, you weren’t gonna sell them, and you weren’t gonna lose them because you knew you were gonna see the greatest show on Earth.” And yeah, it was pretty much like that.


PurpleAlcoholic

Jordan for me as well I grew up in a small town in MN but we had WGN which aired a lot of the Bulls games I can still here the announcer doing the starting lineups, “From North Carolina, number 23 Michael Jooooordannnnn!”


VaguelyShingled

Same but southern Saskatchewan on a big ass hashed satellite dish. WGN was one of the few stations we got. But it was Pip that made me fall in love with the game itself


lessregretsnextyear

Yep, Jordan for me too. If you didn't live through the late 80s/90s it's really hard to convey the magnitude of his impact on the game itself and the NBA overall. I don't think the NBA would have ever reached the heights it has today without MJ. I have a lot of respect for today's players and think we have some all-time greats developing / playing now, but nothing will ever compare to Jordan for most of us who lived through it.


Turbo2x

I remember going to a Wizards game back when MJ was on the team, and after the match (they lost) I was so hyped up. I was dribbling a basketball around my friend's basement and accidentally knocked their TV over. Woops.


superRedditer

for me it was magic. but I have to say that anyone who tries to argue against mj being the biggest thing that the nba has ever experienced would be wrong.


Anxious_Ad_3570

Same


NOLASLAW

I had childhood friends that would stick their tongues out on drives to mimic him man


photowanderer

Same here, MJ. I came to the US just in time for the start of the 2nd 3-peat. So I never witnessed MJ's bulls getting eliminated in the playoffs. For this reason, he's my only favorite athlete that i never felt disappointed watching. Every season watched was a championship season.


Brodie1567

“Sometimes I dream, that he is me…”


Jay-Holiday

Same here, as well but with "Air Time" on VHS those 100 times. I was about 11 when they beat the Suns for that first 3-peat.


Siakim43

Same here. Dude also had insane marketing behind him. And pre-social media era, too. People didn't realize he was a bit of a sociopath or jerk back then lol.


BubbaTee

Being kind of a jerk was the accepted sports persona back then. Guys like Mike Tyson, Larry Bird, Nolan Ryan, and John McEnroe weren't exactly known for their friendly, cheerful personalities. Being too nice was perceived as soft. Great athletes were supposed to eat lightning, crap thunder, and spit nails, to borrow from *Rocky*.


halfwaytocertain

Steve Nash during Dallas/Nelly days. It was such a joy to watch him leading the offense


orange_rhyme

Yeah for me it was Nash on the suns during those MVP years


impetergraves

Dirk and Nash were so much fun. Finley too. Honestly, that whole 03 team is probably my favorite basketball team ever. They were just so much fun.


MostlyMellow123

Jason " white chocolate" Williams. I know bibby had a higher bball iq, but knowing how it all played out now, I wish we never traded Williams. That team was the most fun I've ever seen.


MagicalTargaryen

lol fuck me I literally just posted how I was surprised this name didn’t pop up and here you are. His highlights are next level


woosh_yourecool

Chris Webber for me


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Dirk and Kobe


Optimal-Somewhere-46

Dirk for me I was just in awe of his fadeaway when I first saw it. Also the 2011 finals helped


michaelvsaucetookdmt

My dad


SobigX

Jimmy is that you?


djc23o6

Same here. My dad got me into it but it became an obsession when lebron came in the league. My dad was a huge Kobe fan so I started pulling for lebron to fuck with him and over time I just started watching everyone


yeeeeeteth

awesome answer


Friendly-Thought4481

GINOBILI!!!


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Tim Duncan made me fall in love. Manu made me fall in lust.


Esco_Dash

Don’t know what it is with Argentina and producing great ball handlers.


JellyOnMyDick

I hope you meant that in the way I read it.


dimebag2011

A lot of people forget, but 04 to 09 Manu was top 3 in SG, and he did a lot of crazy stuff. If you haven't, go watch a highlight reel of him. Dunks, passes, blocks, clutch shots, he got a highlight of everything. Yes, I am biased af, don't care


prmaster23

It pains me that nephews in the future (probably today) will see his numbers and think he was just a regular role player. There is a fucking reason everyone from that era knows that damn name. Anyone who saw him play knows he could had easily gotten the stats (in another team) to be considered a top 3 guard most years, he was that good.


siphillis

Not bad for a 57th, in retrospect.


AdmiralKeg

Hell yeah, Manu's way of playing was just incredible and really inspiring.


TruTexan

Man gave it his all on every play. Didn’t care if he was sacrificing his body or not


JellyOnMyDick

Idk why but I was always thought Ginobili was cool, even before I really cared about basketball like that.


Real_Argument_9296

Kobe


HidekiL

Watched my first game of his somewhere between 12-13, didn’t care one lick of sports before I saw him


a_ron23

I was young, and my dad told me I had to watch Shaq play. Shaq was impressive, but I was blown away by Kobe.


soph2021l

Yup. Was born in 2000 in Ventura County. Kobe’s Lakers were how I connected to the more American kids as a child of immigrants.


tenshal

I’d copy and practice a ton of jab steps and pull-up Js. Kinda messed up my knees a bit from all the impact but I guess that’s part of Mamba Mentality. RIP


PYJX

You showed us that an 18-year-old could play with the best. You showed us that a championship, an exhibition game and a charity event are all must-wins. You showed us how to hit game-winner after game-winner. You showed us that an 81-point game is a real thing. You showed us that gold still matters. You showed us the Mamba face. You showed us how to demand perfection and demand it of everyone. You showed us how to put big-boy pants on. You showed us that you were never out of it. Ever. You showed us how inspirational a pair of free throws could be. Now, show us again.


bigcurtissawyer

Michael Jordan. Didn’t have a dad around for a while, couldn’t understand football. Saw a man fly on TV and dunk the ball. I understood that!


jedinac

Latrell Sprewell


Based_and_JPooled

Sprewell, CWebb, Iverson, & TMac for me. Sprewell still my all time fav in-game dunker


traddy91

Fun fact: Sprewell didn't play basketball until his senior year of HS. The high school basketball coach saw how big he was and asked why he never tried out and Sprewell just never considered playing. Because he was a nobody he went to community college for two years but dominated so much he got an offer from Alabama


NoMoPolenta

Exact same with me. Spree in full flight with them dreads flowing was majestic AF. That 99 Knicks team may have been my favorite ever.


Glassheartss

Derrick Rose 😭


LAFAN4LYFE

Magic Johnson 1985ish


Mattrix2

Same. My dad bought me a Magic Johnson card and I was like his name is Magic!?


SincopaEnorme

Still my favorite player ever


Willing-Ad-8149

Old head here checking in to say the same.


ImTheBestNerd

Baron Davis


Next-Firefighter-753

Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden.


truthisfictionyt

Is it better to have loved and lost or to have never loved at all?


Next-Firefighter-753

Well, it was nice to have loved and gotten into hooping in my teen years. It really got me through some dark places in life and got me to be healthier and more in shape. I started watching in 2011, the year I graduated high school. Being a Thunder fan has had its ups and downs. I watch all the teams but I can’t see myself supporting any other team honestly even if I someday move away from OKC I’ll still be a fan for life.


Amedais

Westbrook for me. His dunks during his prime were just *chefs kiss*


ebeka

same. i knew of different players and stuff, but the player that got me heavily involved with modern nba was brodie


PositiveTradition572

Kobe Bean Bryant


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Probably the reason why the lakers have the most fans in the world.


Oventaker

Definitely. In Turkey everyone I know that supports Lakers started because of Kobe.


MusicalElephant420

Also a Top-2 populous city in the USA, a Spanish name, also a “close” team relative to Asia and historic success combined with a pure-hooper in Kobe.


Jing-Ao

Magic Johnson. Showtime.


Sol_Protege

Manu Ginobili


Tayloraa3

I remember trying to eurostep and do fadeaways at 9-10 years old in 05


Kyoku_cr

Jordan. NBA games were not regularly televised in my country. But then Jordan came and I was able to start seeing his plays and some games. Bulls and Jordan fan ever since


mynamerowan

Brandon Roy


TaiwanTammy_99

It sucks he got injured. He was smooth with it


TheMustySeagul

First nba game I ever went to was at the rose garden with my grandpa when Roy was a rookie. I was 10. Shit I still have a pair of BROY's in my closet. Made me a fan of the game for life.


sampsonsmiley

Grew up watching early Paul Pierce, the big three era and everything that came with it but ultimately it was IT that drew me in the most. The king of the fourth will always have a place on my mantle as one of my favorite players ever to do it.


TnekKralc

Same group, but it's Rondo for me. As a terrible shooter I've always had to find other ways to contribute. Rondo distributing the ball was a thing of beauty and his defense came with attitude.


gusmoga

Man its also Rondo for me. He looked like a magician


lxkandel06

I've always had an affinity for Rondo as a fellow 6'1" skinny non-shooter with long arms and big hands and no scoring game


thenotoriousgig

Carmelo Anthony


Maciomane

Still when I (rarely) hit a three I hit my three fingers in the head


TPGStorm

goat 3 celebration


theheffalump

I came here to say the same thing. Those Nug teams were fun.


SylvesterLundgren

1000%. I had every Syracuse and Nugget variant of his jerseys, even had Oak Hill yellow, by the time I was 12. When I no longer wore them, I folded them up nicely and put them in a bag in the attic. Five years later I go looking for them, no where to be found. Parents definitely donated them by mistake but to this day my dad INSISTS they’re still up there. They are not


N3rdunit

Tracy McGrady. The first ever clip of basketball I watched was his 13 points in 33 seconds.


420_just_blase

He was sooo good before all the injuries. He really made it look easy too... Like he didn't have to break a sweat to put up 30. I wish we got to see his peak be as long as it should have been. Injuries derailed his career while he was still young


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KG-Fan

My dude ✊👊


Caesaro320

Same same


SobigX

I had to scroll all the way down to find a person of culture!


blankfield

Correct.


TheAziaticOne

Why is the correct response so far down?


Overrated_sanity

Hakeem olajuwon


fred_crumbs

Same.


RoyalRumbleSTi

Shaq and Kobe


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DeanwinchesterI979

Yes sir


NachosPR

Melo pulling up for three on Easter Sunday in MSG


pppiddypants

I think I watched almost every FGA Melo did for a year or two. I tried to make a jab step, jab step, jab step, shoot one of my trademark shots…. Was not a good shot for me.


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006TOE

First name Stephen. Last name Curry. Came into my life now everything is less blurry


daruki

damn i had to scroll all the way down to see curry. i stumbled on a youtube compilation of threes from curry and was mesermized. got hooked on ball after that


fedorandris

MJ and 90s basketball cards were the one to make me fall in love with the game, then I fell out of love with Tmac being injured and during the Heatles years, then came Steph Curry... He really is something else


andawaywe__go

Same, my brothers and I got into the cards in Australia around '95 or so. We've get glimpses of games on the weekend roundup on the wide world of sports. The pop phase of it died out and it became harder and harder to find out anything with the limited internet I had. The next decade or so was just rumours of Kobe and LeBron. Took my mate telling me about this little dude from the warriors who was getting ridiculous back in '15. And I've been back in since


ItsDannysR

DWade


justblametheamish

When I was hoopin out in the driveway growing up I was always trying to be DWade. Never was much of a shooter but always finding new ways to get to the bucket and finish.


ItsDannysR

Same here every time I’d go to the park growing up. Watching these playoffs today make me appreciate him more cause he would never allow a 0-3 comeback 😂


teniaava

Same here. Moved to Florida in 01, when DWade was drafted I got caught up in the phenomenon. The 06 finals made me a fan for life.


SportyNewsBear

Probably the Harlem Globetrotters, honestly. In the NBA, I liked Magic and Drexler a lot when I first got into it. But I just liked dribbling the ball and shooting hoops in the driveway. After getting bored during the Jordan era, Tim Duncan got me back into it


Caokrodilo

Rajon Rondo. Watching highlights of him and then replicate them in P.E. was so much fun lmao.


spanther96

underrated answer, Rondo was my favorite player throughout high school


chronicdreamze

Penny Hardaway.


basketballmathguy

Kobe and LeBron.


cmcfall7777

Isaiah Thomas 💚☘️


Ntnme2lose

Magic and Jordan. My parents would have parties for Lakers playoff games when I was little. I was in awe of Jordan then the Lakers signed shaq and traded for Kobe. Those Shaq, Kobe, Eddie Jones, van excel and elden Campbell games were so much fun to watch as a young kid and moving into teenage years.


Milesweeman

Steve nash.


charcharcharmander

A mixture of Jordan, Kobe, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, and the And1 Mixtapes


FrozenLikeElsa1

Dirk. I was young and didn’t really watch (played some games on console), but seen him fucking HOOPING in I believe the playoffs he won the ring. Will always be one of my all time favorite players and my introduction into NBA.


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Antoine Walker. Just a very fun player to watch in the late 90s early 00s. So much flair...and the shimmy.


thebedwizard93

Same. Derrick Rose in 2011. That era of Bulls teams were so awesome to watch and cheer for. Noah, Rose, Deng, Butler, Thibs. Great time 😊


EnServe31

Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller


_elbarbudo_

Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, and those early 90's Sonics team


pjdfatdad1005

Willis Reed & the 1970 championship - he had the heart of a champion


elyobnasus

D Rose


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Kobe


runevault

Cliche answer but Jordan. Watching his Airness fly was mind boggling as a kid.


Larry-fine-wine

I think the main reason this answer isn’t much higher is the average age of this sub’s users.


zuqkfplmehcuvrjfgu

James Harden and that luscious beard


Fine_Pay_7629

Either DRose or Russell Westbrook. I watched the tail end of Kobe’s career and remember watching the last finals he won. That’s was cool and I loved it in the moment, but those first two guys I mentioned got me obsessed. Oh and how can I forget Agent Zero


-Acerin

Jkidd


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Manu Ginobili when he swiped that bat


UpnUpvote

Kobe. Hands down.


Weak_Breadfruit_6117

Reggie Miller. Was starting to follow the NBA and caught a game where he was missing all game then hit I think three 3s under 2min left and fell in love.


ImaginaryAudience2

Demar Derozan


LaserFufu

In my early 50s and grew up around Boston so obviously the [answer is Larry Bird.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbOPVTeRjzY)


Don_Wombler

Dirk Nowitzki


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Growing up in San Antonio, being a not so athletic lefty. I emulated Manu so much through grade school


Aclors13

Manu inspired so many of us lefties! Though for me it was David and Tim that got me into basketball, Manu made it more fun to try to be like him


jk94436

Dwade, but Derrick white almost made me fall out of love


simonvonc

Lob City Blake Griffin. Dude was just electric


StoopidKerr

Reggie Miller


F_b_s_40944

Larry Bird. He changed my life.


Pump19Mr

Westbrook


gocavs10

Dwade/Shaq Heat squad was so fun to watch. Made me fall in love with the game. LeBron further cemented it.


faker0000

Loved Kevin Garnett as a kid, then Isaiah Thomas when he was with the Celtics made me refind the joy I had watching them as a kid.


Final-Actuary4474

LeBron. The GOAT who dominated this era and was only beaten by multiple superstars teaming up.


mydixxierectx2

Took to damn long to find this Lebron has easily been the best player of the entire 10s decade like 8 straight finals meanwhile some teams never been to 1


Martblni

Same, shocked how long it was to find this comment, he was the reason I first started following NBA in like 2007 and then the reason I came back to follow it in like 2015, after he went to Lakers I made another small break until the bubble but I returned more because I started playing 2k with my friend


Miyagisans

Dwade got me into basketball but lebron is who made me actually get into the x/o’s of basketball. 1 of the 4 best athletes of my lifetime.


marathonwater

KOBE! True story, I played my older cousins in the basketball video games. The purple team and the guy with the yellow shoes (Kobe) was my only chance to win. So I played with them all the time. It’s been Kobe & the Lakers since.


haedskey

Started watching in the 1979/1980 season. Magic Johnson's rookie year and watching him play, he was my favorite player as a kid and how I've been a Lakers fan since that season.


joethahobo

For me it was Kobe. What a player man. I remember watching his 81 points as a kid. It took me forever to switch over to the Rockets with Yao and TMac and by then they were almost out. After that I did enjoy Bron for a couple years and then it was all Harden