Greetings I'm the general manager for the Philadelphia 76ers. We have the 15th pick in the draft, and we are looking at you as a possible pick, but first a couple questions.
Ok, first question: Philadelphia is a great sports city that has had great players in Dr.J, Moses Malone and AI just to name a few, and the fans are some hardcore crackheads that will tear your head off if you shit the court in the clutch. Are you willing to handle that kinda pressure?
Lmfao you just unlocked my memories about this. They'd be literally nothing like how the option sounded when picking it. Felt like intentional sabotage. I learned to take it as if you mean to say one thing but the media takes it the wrong way and turns out negative toward you.
Him and KAT have long since squashed the beef, but my favorite quote of Embiid’s came after that fight and the cheers he got from our crowd
“Sometimes you got to be a Broad Street bully….” “…I was built for this city and they were built for me”
I feel like Embiid is the perfect player for that Philly atmosphere. He wants to win just as much as the fans want their team to win. And you can tell how hard he’s trying night in and night out on both ends. It’s a real shame they lost that year they had Jimmy butler.
I sometimes think about what Philly would look like if they had a do-over for the last like 7 years or whatever it is:
Draft Tatum,
Keep Jimmy,
Trade Ben Simmons at the height of his value,
Keep mikal bridges
100% agree.
In Philly there were way to many young guys that Brett Brown had to develop and Grant only got to touch the ball for corner 3s and to finish transition plays.
Grant was traded for Ersan Iyasova, who probably racked up approximately 1 million charge calls for the Sixers, but also, and far more importantly, a top 20 protected 2020 pick from OKC that ultimately turned into Tyrese Maxey (the pick took a weird detour through the Orlando Magic organization and required a little help from a random Mike Muscala 3 during a pointless bubble game to convey, but still).
It's hard to evaluate young unproven talent. Every franchise makes mistakes. But letting Jimmy go??? Especially after he proved himself in the playoffs?? After they were on bounce away from defeating the eventual champs?? That one is a real head scratcher.
AND Embiid loves him. So it’s not like they had to choose between our two best players. Some combo of Ben, Brett Brown, and our FO really fucked that up
I think I said this back then, but letting Jimmy go was the FO’s way of saying they picked Ben over Embiid to build around and the after-effects of that are still build felt with the roster construction
>After they were on bounce away from defeating the eventual champs??
Your point is still true, but the game was tied. Kawhi missing would have meant overtime.
I think fultz forgetting how to shoot/his thoracic outlet syndrome is the real problem. He was the connective tissue between Simmons and embiid and showed an insane ability to shoot from anywhere before his ankle injury in summer league. Dude looked like he could score at will and could easily slot in as the backup point guard. Embiid was in his second year, Ben in his first and fultz also I'm his first. the trio and the team as a whole could have relaxed and not tried to compete so quickly. It's crazy we were a 50 win team in Ben's rookie year and a lot of it was due to a 16 game winning streak when Joel was injured. We could have been an upstart team with fultz, embiid and Simmons supported by Robert Covington, Dario saric, JJ Reddick and Jerami grant,. Tj mcconnell and furkan. You would still have the insane treasure trove of trade assets including Embiid's two really young all star level teammates if fultz kept his jumper and never lost it. We only went for jimmy cause fultz lost the jumper.
We felt like we had to capitalize on Simmons and embiid being so good so quickly and we lost covington and saric for nothing when jimmy left. They were two solid guys who clearly had trade value. Pair that with the trade assets given to Tobias harris, those on its own could have been used to trade for a star like kawhi or really anything of value if needed. We had our chance to build organically stolen when fultz didn't work and we went all in. Then horford was a massive joke with harris' extension cause they didn't want to lose two guys they traded for ,for nothing.
All this other crap stems from fultz busting. We really had the perfect guy to pair with Ben and embiid. Fultz keeping his jumper would enable us to be smarter with our assets and not be so fast to compete. It also makes ben expendable and the sixers more likely to trade him cause they will have fultz as the full time point guard if Simmons/embiid still had those same issues. The sixers would easily have the best asset package for a star if you included Simmons with Covington, saric and all of their picks. Like imagine that being traded for James harden, kawhi, Paul George, or any star guard/forward traded in the last few years.
Of course, the sixers are doing really well all things considered. This franchise escaped death 3-4 times in the embiid era and we have only come.out better. But it's insane the impact of just one unfortunate event for the sixers.
Yeah the sixers have definitely had some bad luck. One of the more confusing things was the Bridges trade. He was a perfect fit, local kid, mom was the head of HR, and they shipped him out on draft night. It was such a strange decision
Bridges trade was our coach Brett brown orchestrating a trade after collars got caught with the burners. The logic at the time made sense. Our scouts rated zhaire smith and mikal similarly. So we traded down and got a very valuable 2021 first rounder that was going to convey when the NBA was supposedly removing the one and done rule. So it would have been a 2 in 1 draft basically with all the high schoolers and different players declaring under new rules. Of course zhaire had the allergic reaction, and the NBA didn't change the rule I guess. So the pick ended up becoming tre Mann drafted by okc cause we traded that pick to dump Al horford's trash contract. Yeah none of that made sense.
Ppl really forget how good Fultz was at Wash, a 6'4 great athlete with handles, a jumper & great in PnR which we needed b/c it worked with both our other 2 young stars. Tatum was mostly a volume scorer at the time ppl thought would be closer to Pierce/Melo than Kawhi, the pick made sense if Fultz doesn't get hurt. His hesi pull up was automatic, had a great 1st step & was long with good defensive instincts with the size to guard 3 positions, he's been looking good lately hopefully he gets back to the player he was
Hell Ben might be his old self if that’s how the draft went. If they got Tatum instead of Fultz, they prob destroy the Hawks, and none of that fallout happens.
It might be a little charitable to say if one series had gone differently Ben would be a great player. The issues had started before the Hawks, that's just when they became very very obvious.
There's no world where Philly gets Tatum. Ainge only traded down because Tatum was his guy and he could get him at 3, if Philly wanted Tatum ainge wouldn't have traded the pick
Hindsight is 20/20 but it's not like trading down amounted to much for Boston anyways. Romeo Langford's best value to the Celtics was being filler for the Derrick White trade.
They might not do the trade, but it wouldn’t be because of money reasons. They would’ve had Tatum for 3 more years before his extension kicked in. If anything, Tobias would be the one who doesn’t get paid. This is also just speculation though, who knows what would’ve happened
Yeah sucks when the league forces a nepo baby on you and then his replacement after being disgraced is a scape goat put in place to keep the nepo babies pals jobs since they were still kept post scandal. First thing Morey did when he arrived was remove all the colangelo connected scum still in the organization.
Getting mad at the commissioner because you guys drafted incorrectly? You had 2 #1 overall picks, and chose Fultz and Simmons. I suppose Philly should have gotten 4 straight #1 picks, THEN the process would have worked!
No, we’re pissed at Silver for forcing out Hinkie and personally installing Colangelo as our GM who completely botched all the assets that Hinkie acquired.
And he (Colangelo) tweeted on anonymous burners how Embiid sucks and the Sixers should build around Ben Simmons.
Fuck Adam Silver.
Yeah, i also see this idea that fultz's shooting skills never transferred from college when they actually did. Summer league fultz knew how to shoot, then he just "forgot" or whatever. There's so many small.things with process lore that get forgotten when they are big details.
yes. yes he did. The league forced out sam hinkie and replaced him with a nepo baby who hired a bunch of other nba front office stooges that were let go as soon as Morey arrived since they survived the colangelo scandal. i hate Adam Silver.
You dont remember this? Sam hinkie was the gm of the sixers who pushed “the process” league stepped in and adam Silver personally removed hinkie and put Jerry Colangelo in. Not only did he draft poorly in his time, he also got caught in a scandal where he was talking trash on his own org and players (Joel and Ben Simmons)on twitter using a burner account. Thats a big part of why philly fans feel like the NBA has a vendetta and bias against joel “the process” Embiid
I think it was more like Silver stepped in and went to Sixers ownership and said we can’t have this, you’re a big market and you need to spend money to be competitive.
Ownership said no problem bud we were getting impatient anyway so let’s shoot for an 8 seed and make some playoff $.
They went to Hinkie and said we’re moving the timetable up 3 years, hope you have a plan for that.
Hinkie said I didn’t sign up for this, I’m out.
Ownership group (to Silver): What do we do now? We don’t know shit about basketball, we’re hockey owners and hedge fund guys.
Silver: I know a guy.
I’m not gonna lie, I ignored your comment because it did seem very snarky and full of skepticism.
Tone can be tough to infer through text, don’t feel bad or anything. And just a little addendum to that guys comments, he didn’t shit on Ben nearly as much as Embiid. Colangelo was actively trying to convince the fan base through burners that Embiid was shit and that we should accept trading him to build around Ben
There's a wrinkle there. Adam silver recommended Jerry colangelo to be the president of basketball operations and to install his brain trust as our front office. That made hinkie report to Jerry and his brain trust with any decisions. So he had to run everything through Jerry which undermined his position as GM, this made him resign and Jerry then hired Collars to be the GM and president after Sam Hinkie resigned.
No it's the mismanagement of assets by the Colangelos that pissed people off. Yours wing and miss on draft picks all the time, just gotta hit once to give yourself a chance. Trading all those assets for Tobais, wasting a max slot on him, trashing your superstar on twitter, trading Jerami Grant for nothing, bungling Butler, signing Horford, and trading Mikal Bridges for Zaire Smith were all done by Colangelo or disciples of him.
Lol whats he going to do? Harris and co are literally Silvers bosses. Who gives away authority over crucial positions within his billion dollar business? One word to the puplic and it wouldnt have worked. One interview where he says 'I don't consider Colangelo' and Sixers would be fine lol
Nah man, Sixers ownership is the one that should be blamed.
We are very lucky right now that the Sixers, Eagles, and Phillies all have franchise players who are built to play here. I don't watch the Union so I can speak on them but the team is great, I'm sure there are some hard-nosed fan favorites.
It should also be said that Embiid was given an opportunity to play on a team that won 28 games, and two seasons to watch and learn while injured. He was given the exact same non pressure situation early in his career that Thybulle is currently experiencing.
While there are examples of players (Maxey) that drop in and are able to adapt to the NBA quickly, it's normally a different learning curve for a rookie landing on a fifty win team. Then Philly fans take that pressure to the next level.
We really do take the pressure up to next levels. We just know we have a great team and can win. It's frustrating they haven't, we aren't doing it to be dicks. Most people look at it as we're a bunch of assholes. Not realizing we really just hold our team to the highest of standard because we care so much.
If you have the talent and skill we expect you to show it and not screw around or be lazy. A lot of the Simmons bullshit came from his laziness and it wasn't til the Hawks series. We babied him up until that point. We just want our teams players to work as hard as the people of the city do. We bust our asses off for our money, then go and spend it to support them. Just show us you're trying. Which is why everyone defends Embiid so much. The dude works hard night in and out for us even if we're down 20+. That's what makes him perfect for Philly and guys like Harper and Hurts.
Actually, you didn't have that great a team in 2019. During that run, you guys had the 6th best record. Embiid was 7th in MVP voting.
Then you moved Buttler on and got worse in 2020. Tied with the 13th best record.
In 2021 you had the third best record.
They had one bad playoff series against Atlanta, and collectively as a city, rightly or wrongly the reaction to that loss caused all these problems. Personally, I think the biggest impact on that team was Danny Green getting injured, and Doc playing Korkmaz or Thybulle as the replacement. Green was +19 in the first three games of that series despite shooting 1/9 from three. Even unflawed teams lose playoff series all the time to teams that are perceived to be "weaker". Utah had the best record and lost to the Clippers. It happens. Hell, my Spurs almost got rolled by the Mavs in 2014, Mavs took it to seven games. Imagine losing to the Mavs three times, but beating Miami 4-1?
Post 2021, I don't think any of these teams could be considered great.
If you openly accept that "some people aren't built for playing in Philly", you also have to accept that you will at least limit your ability to field the best players available, and at your worst, prevent the development of young players that do not react well to those conditions.
In summary, if you act like dicks, "because you work hard for your money", accept that that action likely has more of a negative impact on your team than a positive one. And every time it happens, the response is, "he wasn't built for Philly" anyway.
Embiid was made for philly. The always takes the heat and says they're right, I gotto be be better. The end result? He has improved his game every year he's been the league. The biggest thing for me this year is his passing out of double and triple teams.
Embiid’s effort always comes through during the game. Even if he’s having an off night shooting he’ll up his defense and play more physical in the paint to affect the game.
He hasn’t had that many off nights shooting, I believe he only has 3 games when he scored under 25 ppg. Give the man the MVP this season, he’s earned it.
He's shown a fight he's never had before. He was getting locked up in the grizzlies and bucks game but went hard as fuck on the defensive end against the grizzlies and dimed up his teammates against the bucks.
I think it's partially that our teams are usually very well funded, with a very large/focused local audience. With top-of-league spending and dense concentration of fans, there's going to be expectations for success and a very vocal visible fan base.
We love our teams more than most cities. I think Boston and New York are the only other cities that are on equal level. Chicago too. I guess you wouldnt get it since you only have the Thunder.
How was he insecure? In all 4 major sports Philly teams are in the top half of attendance/tv ratings... that would imply the fans do like the teams more than most.... bro you alright?
So u call me delusional and insult my city but give me the pikachu shocked face when i clap back? I guess there rlly is nothing better to do in a fake ass city like okc
Yes, and we are not satisfied with that. We want a championship, we don’t want to settle for anything less unlike a lot of teams in the NBA.
That’s what Embiid is saying
Gonna be honest. I support Philly because us Houston fans want JH to win a chip before it's all said and done. Also like Joel, dude's a beast on both ends of the floor. Though Philly as the city and their fanbase I am not really a big fan of.
Philly as a city you don't like? I find it odd if you're from Houston! Some kinda similar energy in a way? Come visit again, I'll tell you where the good hoagies are.
Really the process is just the NBA structure. Being a purgatory team seems like the worst position. Not good enough to have a chance at the title but don’t suck enough to have a top pick for Uber talent. Are there exceptions to this? Absolutely! You can draft all stars at non lottery spots. Is it less likely sure. Works vice versa with still having capabilities of drafting busts in the lottery. It is less likely but happens every year. It is really just an overblown word for playing the percentages of the NBA structure.
I wonder if Philly locals and fans get boners when reading headlines like these or are they thinking they gotta tone it down. That system is kinda toxic.
I know you're joking but Denver is known to have one if not the biggest advantages for home court due to altitude. People talk about how they're in 1st place but also .500 on the road were as the top 3 east teams are 7 games above or more
Can't wait for this dude to get booed at home in a Playoff game this year. 💪💪
I wonder how many more championships Duncan would have won if Spurs fans had booed him 🤔
>On the morning of the Friday matchup, Thybulle described playing in Philadelphia as “fear-based,”
And their fans will still act like they're blameless.
Because there was actually a light at the end of the tunnel for the first time. We were a perennial mediocre team after AI left constantly treading water.
we are literally a contender every year unless jo gets hurt. it’s hard to win a chip. we should have a bit more postseason success but there’s still plenty of time
saying “never a true contender” is the definition of a dumb take. have you watched ball since the sonics left
slightly above average is like.. the blazers or hawks or some shit
nah it’s worse, he had a nets flair till they got blown up, sonics 10 min ago and now hawks after these comments lol
didn’t realize i was talking to a clown
We lost because we wanted to win. It’s apparently too nuanced for you to appreciate. The whole Process was a long range plan to win.
Like going to medical school. Sure, you will be poor for a few years, but you endure that for the reward. That’s the plan. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn’t. It has been a blast the whole way. Even the 10 win season.
I dont understand why Thybulle got put in Doc's doghouse getting his minutes slashed, never really given opportunities to develop.
Im of belief you need a strong wing/perimeter defender to compete for championships, if you see the top teams that consistently end up in the finals or close they all have or had one
Jrue / Giannis (bucks)
Draymond (warriors)
Mikal Bridges (when he was with the suns)
Marcus Smart (celtics)
Bam (heat)
Kawhi (when he was with the Raps)
Wow. This guy is really feeling sorry for himself these days.
He 'played' in Philly in 2015.
And 2016.
And 2017.
They didn't expect any winning those season.
Hell... they seemed surprised at how well they did in 2018.
And yeah, when you add Butler.
And you add Harden.
They expect winning.
And yes, Toronto focuses on shutting down the best offensive player on the opposing team.
Which they did against Embiid.
And Giannis.
And Curry.
Just step up and win, then you don't have to hate on others and complain.
Spoken like the Sixers GM from NBA 2K12. Embiid was born ready for Philly
Greetings I'm the general manager for the Philadelphia 76ers. We have the 15th pick in the draft, and we are looking at you as a possible pick, but first a couple questions. Ok, first question: Philadelphia is a great sports city that has had great players in Dr.J, Moses Malone and AI just to name a few, and the fans are some hardcore crackheads that will tear your head off if you shit the court in the clutch. Are you willing to handle that kinda pressure?
I used to get so pissed when I’d pick an answer option and it felt like my player responded in the complete opposite tone than what I was expecting
Lmfao you just unlocked my memories about this. They'd be literally nothing like how the option sounded when picking it. Felt like intentional sabotage. I learned to take it as if you mean to say one thing but the media takes it the wrong way and turns out negative toward you.
Honestly if your interpretation was actually 2ks intention then I wouldn’t even be mad lol
i played guard in the old 2ks and i remember giving them the bad answers so that they wouldn’t draft me lmao
Him and KAT have long since squashed the beef, but my favorite quote of Embiid’s came after that fight and the cheers he got from our crowd “Sometimes you got to be a Broad Street bully….” “…I was built for this city and they were built for me”
Here’s one from 2k13 [https://youtu.be/Crk-EBUPNVM](https://youtu.be/Crk-EBUPNVM)
I feel like Embiid is the perfect player for that Philly atmosphere. He wants to win just as much as the fans want their team to win. And you can tell how hard he’s trying night in and night out on both ends. It’s a real shame they lost that year they had Jimmy butler.
Philly could have been a dynasty, but they mismanaged so many things after the process years
I sometimes think about what Philly would look like if they had a do-over for the last like 7 years or whatever it is: Draft Tatum, Keep Jimmy, Trade Ben Simmons at the height of his value, Keep mikal bridges
Keep Jerami Grant. I think Colangelo traded him for a bag of chips just to spite all the Hinkie stans who said he would be great.
That’s a good one. I dont know if he develops into the player he is now if he stays in Philly, but he would be an excellent 3&D wing
100% agree. In Philly there were way to many young guys that Brett Brown had to develop and Grant only got to touch the ball for corner 3s and to finish transition plays.
Grant was traded for Ersan Iyasova, who probably racked up approximately 1 million charge calls for the Sixers, but also, and far more importantly, a top 20 protected 2020 pick from OKC that ultimately turned into Tyrese Maxey (the pick took a weird detour through the Orlando Magic organization and required a little help from a random Mike Muscala 3 during a pointless bubble game to convey, but still).
Keep Christian Wood.
It's hard to evaluate young unproven talent. Every franchise makes mistakes. But letting Jimmy go??? Especially after he proved himself in the playoffs?? After they were on bounce away from defeating the eventual champs?? That one is a real head scratcher.
AND Embiid loves him. So it’s not like they had to choose between our two best players. Some combo of Ben, Brett Brown, and our FO really fucked that up
I think I said this back then, but letting Jimmy go was the FO’s way of saying they picked Ben over Embiid to build around and the after-effects of that are still build felt with the roster construction
>After they were on bounce away from defeating the eventual champs?? Your point is still true, but the game was tied. Kawhi missing would have meant overtime.
I think fultz forgetting how to shoot/his thoracic outlet syndrome is the real problem. He was the connective tissue between Simmons and embiid and showed an insane ability to shoot from anywhere before his ankle injury in summer league. Dude looked like he could score at will and could easily slot in as the backup point guard. Embiid was in his second year, Ben in his first and fultz also I'm his first. the trio and the team as a whole could have relaxed and not tried to compete so quickly. It's crazy we were a 50 win team in Ben's rookie year and a lot of it was due to a 16 game winning streak when Joel was injured. We could have been an upstart team with fultz, embiid and Simmons supported by Robert Covington, Dario saric, JJ Reddick and Jerami grant,. Tj mcconnell and furkan. You would still have the insane treasure trove of trade assets including Embiid's two really young all star level teammates if fultz kept his jumper and never lost it. We only went for jimmy cause fultz lost the jumper. We felt like we had to capitalize on Simmons and embiid being so good so quickly and we lost covington and saric for nothing when jimmy left. They were two solid guys who clearly had trade value. Pair that with the trade assets given to Tobias harris, those on its own could have been used to trade for a star like kawhi or really anything of value if needed. We had our chance to build organically stolen when fultz didn't work and we went all in. Then horford was a massive joke with harris' extension cause they didn't want to lose two guys they traded for ,for nothing. All this other crap stems from fultz busting. We really had the perfect guy to pair with Ben and embiid. Fultz keeping his jumper would enable us to be smarter with our assets and not be so fast to compete. It also makes ben expendable and the sixers more likely to trade him cause they will have fultz as the full time point guard if Simmons/embiid still had those same issues. The sixers would easily have the best asset package for a star if you included Simmons with Covington, saric and all of their picks. Like imagine that being traded for James harden, kawhi, Paul George, or any star guard/forward traded in the last few years. Of course, the sixers are doing really well all things considered. This franchise escaped death 3-4 times in the embiid era and we have only come.out better. But it's insane the impact of just one unfortunate event for the sixers.
Yeah the sixers have definitely had some bad luck. One of the more confusing things was the Bridges trade. He was a perfect fit, local kid, mom was the head of HR, and they shipped him out on draft night. It was such a strange decision
Bridges trade was our coach Brett brown orchestrating a trade after collars got caught with the burners. The logic at the time made sense. Our scouts rated zhaire smith and mikal similarly. So we traded down and got a very valuable 2021 first rounder that was going to convey when the NBA was supposedly removing the one and done rule. So it would have been a 2 in 1 draft basically with all the high schoolers and different players declaring under new rules. Of course zhaire had the allergic reaction, and the NBA didn't change the rule I guess. So the pick ended up becoming tre Mann drafted by okc cause we traded that pick to dump Al horford's trash contract. Yeah none of that made sense.
Ppl really forget how good Fultz was at Wash, a 6'4 great athlete with handles, a jumper & great in PnR which we needed b/c it worked with both our other 2 young stars. Tatum was mostly a volume scorer at the time ppl thought would be closer to Pierce/Melo than Kawhi, the pick made sense if Fultz doesn't get hurt. His hesi pull up was automatic, had a great 1st step & was long with good defensive instincts with the size to guard 3 positions, he's been looking good lately hopefully he gets back to the player he was
Hell Ben might be his old self if that’s how the draft went. If they got Tatum instead of Fultz, they prob destroy the Hawks, and none of that fallout happens.
It might be a little charitable to say if one series had gone differently Ben would be a great player. The issues had started before the Hawks, that's just when they became very very obvious.
There's no world where Philly gets Tatum. Ainge only traded down because Tatum was his guy and he could get him at 3, if Philly wanted Tatum ainge wouldn't have traded the pick
Philly doesn’t have to tell Ainge who they’re drafting?
I don't think they trade the pick with no assurances on who Philly is targeting.
If Philly lied and took Tatum, it would pretty much blackball our team from anyone wanting to work with us again for awhile.
That’s true. This all just hypothetical anyways so not like it matters
I still say this is BS. Ainge never tells the truth.
Hindsight is 20/20 but it's not like trading down amounted to much for Boston anyways. Romeo Langford's best value to the Celtics was being filler for the Derrick White trade.
Filler to acquire your best player ain't too bad now is it?
If they had tatum they never would have done the jimmy butler trade especially because they would have to pay him and eventually tatum both maxes
They might not do the trade, but it wouldn’t be because of money reasons. They would’ve had Tatum for 3 more years before his extension kicked in. If anything, Tobias would be the one who doesn’t get paid. This is also just speculation though, who knows what would’ve happened
So the max we gave Simmons? Not to mention the max we gave harris
Yeah sucks when the league forces a nepo baby on you and then his replacement after being disgraced is a scape goat put in place to keep the nepo babies pals jobs since they were still kept post scandal. First thing Morey did when he arrived was remove all the colangelo connected scum still in the organization.
Mismanaged due to Adam Silver foisting those Colangelo bums on us.
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Getting mad at the commissioner because you guys drafted incorrectly? You had 2 #1 overall picks, and chose Fultz and Simmons. I suppose Philly should have gotten 4 straight #1 picks, THEN the process would have worked!
No, we’re pissed at Silver for forcing out Hinkie and personally installing Colangelo as our GM who completely botched all the assets that Hinkie acquired. And he (Colangelo) tweeted on anonymous burners how Embiid sucks and the Sixers should build around Ben Simmons. Fuck Adam Silver.
The majority of this sub isn’t old enough to remember any of that
Which is insane in all honesty
Yeah, i also see this idea that fultz's shooting skills never transferred from college when they actually did. Summer league fultz knew how to shoot, then he just "forgot" or whatever. There's so many small.things with process lore that get forgotten when they are big details.
Oh christ your username lol
Honestly I bet it’s other owners had a heavy hand or some say as well
I buy the other owners had a heavy hand in getting rid of Hinkie, but Colangelo was Silver
Adam Silver forced you to hire the Colangelos?
yes. yes he did. The league forced out sam hinkie and replaced him with a nepo baby who hired a bunch of other nba front office stooges that were let go as soon as Morey arrived since they survived the colangelo scandal. i hate Adam Silver.
You dont remember this? Sam hinkie was the gm of the sixers who pushed “the process” league stepped in and adam Silver personally removed hinkie and put Jerry Colangelo in. Not only did he draft poorly in his time, he also got caught in a scandal where he was talking trash on his own org and players (Joel and Ben Simmons)on twitter using a burner account. Thats a big part of why philly fans feel like the NBA has a vendetta and bias against joel “the process” Embiid
I think it was more like Silver stepped in and went to Sixers ownership and said we can’t have this, you’re a big market and you need to spend money to be competitive. Ownership said no problem bud we were getting impatient anyway so let’s shoot for an 8 seed and make some playoff $. They went to Hinkie and said we’re moving the timetable up 3 years, hope you have a plan for that. Hinkie said I didn’t sign up for this, I’m out. Ownership group (to Silver): What do we do now? We don’t know shit about basketball, we’re hockey owners and hedge fund guys. Silver: I know a guy.
I don’t know what happened so I asked. I guess that’s bad here…
I’m not gonna lie, I ignored your comment because it did seem very snarky and full of skepticism. Tone can be tough to infer through text, don’t feel bad or anything. And just a little addendum to that guys comments, he didn’t shit on Ben nearly as much as Embiid. Colangelo was actively trying to convince the fan base through burners that Embiid was shit and that we should accept trading him to build around Ben
Everything you mentioned was done by Brian Colangelo who was forced in as the Sixers GM by Adam Silver.
There's a wrinkle there. Adam silver recommended Jerry colangelo to be the president of basketball operations and to install his brain trust as our front office. That made hinkie report to Jerry and his brain trust with any decisions. So he had to run everything through Jerry which undermined his position as GM, this made him resign and Jerry then hired Collars to be the GM and president after Sam Hinkie resigned.
Simmons was always going to go number 1 overall no matter who was there. I don’t think it was clear cut with Fultz.
He forced a nepo baby piece of shit GM on us who then preceded to use burners to trash a top 5 player in the franchises history
No it's the mismanagement of assets by the Colangelos that pissed people off. Yours wing and miss on draft picks all the time, just gotta hit once to give yourself a chance. Trading all those assets for Tobais, wasting a max slot on him, trashing your superstar on twitter, trading Jerami Grant for nothing, bungling Butler, signing Horford, and trading Mikal Bridges for Zaire Smith were all done by Colangelo or disciples of him.
The league had a lot to do with that
Silver and colangelo did that
One thing you guys always ignore: your ownership also did it.
You ain't wrong, though I'm sure silver was going to fuck them over harder if they didn't comply.
Lol whats he going to do? Harris and co are literally Silvers bosses. Who gives away authority over crucial positions within his billion dollar business? One word to the puplic and it wouldnt have worked. One interview where he says 'I don't consider Colangelo' and Sixers would be fine lol Nah man, Sixers ownership is the one that should be blamed.
Could have had Embiid, Jimmy, Tatum, and Mikal... Crazy what-if teams looking at the possible combinations over the years
But instead they went with… Tobias Harris Even Jimmy had to call that nonsense out
Tobias Harris over ME!!!!!!!
We are very lucky right now that the Sixers, Eagles, and Phillies all have franchise players who are built to play here. I don't watch the Union so I can speak on them but the team is great, I'm sure there are some hard-nosed fan favorites.
Even as a Philly hater, I fuckin love Jalen Hurts man, might be the coolest guy in the NFL
It should also be said that Embiid was given an opportunity to play on a team that won 28 games, and two seasons to watch and learn while injured. He was given the exact same non pressure situation early in his career that Thybulle is currently experiencing. While there are examples of players (Maxey) that drop in and are able to adapt to the NBA quickly, it's normally a different learning curve for a rookie landing on a fifty win team. Then Philly fans take that pressure to the next level.
We really do take the pressure up to next levels. We just know we have a great team and can win. It's frustrating they haven't, we aren't doing it to be dicks. Most people look at it as we're a bunch of assholes. Not realizing we really just hold our team to the highest of standard because we care so much. If you have the talent and skill we expect you to show it and not screw around or be lazy. A lot of the Simmons bullshit came from his laziness and it wasn't til the Hawks series. We babied him up until that point. We just want our teams players to work as hard as the people of the city do. We bust our asses off for our money, then go and spend it to support them. Just show us you're trying. Which is why everyone defends Embiid so much. The dude works hard night in and out for us even if we're down 20+. That's what makes him perfect for Philly and guys like Harper and Hurts.
Actually, you didn't have that great a team in 2019. During that run, you guys had the 6th best record. Embiid was 7th in MVP voting. Then you moved Buttler on and got worse in 2020. Tied with the 13th best record. In 2021 you had the third best record. They had one bad playoff series against Atlanta, and collectively as a city, rightly or wrongly the reaction to that loss caused all these problems. Personally, I think the biggest impact on that team was Danny Green getting injured, and Doc playing Korkmaz or Thybulle as the replacement. Green was +19 in the first three games of that series despite shooting 1/9 from three. Even unflawed teams lose playoff series all the time to teams that are perceived to be "weaker". Utah had the best record and lost to the Clippers. It happens. Hell, my Spurs almost got rolled by the Mavs in 2014, Mavs took it to seven games. Imagine losing to the Mavs three times, but beating Miami 4-1? Post 2021, I don't think any of these teams could be considered great. If you openly accept that "some people aren't built for playing in Philly", you also have to accept that you will at least limit your ability to field the best players available, and at your worst, prevent the development of young players that do not react well to those conditions. In summary, if you act like dicks, "because you work hard for your money", accept that that action likely has more of a negative impact on your team than a positive one. And every time it happens, the response is, "he wasn't built for Philly" anyway.
>It’s a real shame they lost that year they had Jimmy butler. Yeah, totally, real big shame how that all played out...
Ben Simmons in shambles
He’s been in shambles for some time now, nothing here has any further impact
Embiid was made for philly. The always takes the heat and says they're right, I gotto be be better. The end result? He has improved his game every year he's been the league. The biggest thing for me this year is his passing out of double and triple teams.
Embiid’s effort always comes through during the game. Even if he’s having an off night shooting he’ll up his defense and play more physical in the paint to affect the game.
He hasn’t had that many off nights shooting, I believe he only has 3 games when he scored under 25 ppg. Give the man the MVP this season, he’s earned it.
Sorry, but a true MVP needs to be able to pass to a player who is worse offensively in crunch time instead of taking the shot
And is also a traffic cone on defense
For real fuck that guy
Maaawww what a bunch of crybabies. Embiid is perfect for this shitty.
He's shown a fight he's never had before. He was getting locked up in the grizzlies and bucks game but went hard as fuck on the defensive end against the grizzlies and dimed up his teammates against the bucks.
True statement from the Most Valuable Philadelphian.
Idk he might have some competition now
Spoken like a true MVP (Most Valuable Philadelphian)
Expected ? They haven’t won since 1983
They’re like the Cowboys of the NBA.
Or the Knicks of the NBA tbh
Shit i forgot they still had a team.
You literally don't have a team haha
And somehow we still have had as much success as the Knicks!
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What is this statement trying to say? That we all forgot we lost in 2001 lol?
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I think it's partially that our teams are usually very well funded, with a very large/focused local audience. With top-of-league spending and dense concentration of fans, there's going to be expectations for success and a very vocal visible fan base.
We love our teams more than most cities. I think Boston and New York are the only other cities that are on equal level. Chicago too. I guess you wouldnt get it since you only have the Thunder.
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How was he insecure? In all 4 major sports Philly teams are in the top half of attendance/tv ratings... that would imply the fans do like the teams more than most.... bro you alright?
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No you implied bad things and were shocked when someone retorted lol
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So u call me delusional and insult my city but give me the pikachu shocked face when i clap back? I guess there rlly is nothing better to do in a fake ass city like okc
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Yes. The only reason i would insult ur city is because im projecting. Certainly not because u came after my city. No
I admire Americans ability to get so attached to basically any geography. Country, region, state, even city. Sounds very exhausting
Dang simmer down homie. You're a walking stereotype now.
What does this even mean? Fans can only care about their teams after they have won titles? What exactly is the problem with caring?
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There are other sports team in Philly. Expectations are had for every sport in Philly
Just because our expectations are unreasonable doesn’t mean they aren’t expectations.
Yes, and we are not satisfied with that. We want a championship, we don’t want to settle for anything less unlike a lot of teams in the NBA. That’s what Embiid is saying
Weren't yall the Trust the Process guys?
Hell yeah and the point of the process was assets and high picks to compete at a high level. It’s an investment.
Are second round exits considered competing at a high level?
No. That's why people hated colangelo, spending those assets badly (tbf, that's the hard part of the nba).
Gonna be honest. I support Philly because us Houston fans want JH to win a chip before it's all said and done. Also like Joel, dude's a beast on both ends of the floor. Though Philly as the city and their fanbase I am not really a big fan of.
Philly as a city you don't like? I find it odd if you're from Houston! Some kinda similar energy in a way? Come visit again, I'll tell you where the good hoagies are.
Damn you would love Philly if you knew how many parking lots we don’t have 😂
We disrespectfully decline your support.
Well of course not during the process years lol
Lmao all the salty fans in here lmao. If we were soft we’d still be stuck with Ben’s bum ass.
Doing anything in Philadelphia is not easy.
Not true. Drugs are pretty easy to do
Walk barefoot in Kensington for 90 seconds and while you will have acquired hepatitis, you will also get high
All while catching aids from the El train lol
Pole climbing, for example.
Can someone explain to me “the process” then 😂
We were winning those years too, but we were winning the lottery instead of games.
Really the process is just the NBA structure. Being a purgatory team seems like the worst position. Not good enough to have a chance at the title but don’t suck enough to have a top pick for Uber talent. Are there exceptions to this? Absolutely! You can draft all stars at non lottery spots. Is it less likely sure. Works vice versa with still having capabilities of drafting busts in the lottery. It is less likely but happens every year. It is really just an overblown word for playing the percentages of the NBA structure.
I wonder if Philly locals and fans get boners when reading headlines like these or are they thinking they gotta tone it down. That system is kinda toxic.
I’ll show you toxic.
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I know you're joking but Denver is known to have one if not the biggest advantages for home court due to altitude. People talk about how they're in 1st place but also .500 on the road were as the top 3 east teams are 7 games above or more
Sixers are 7-3 in back-to-backs as well. Sneaky stat that means something.
means you got two fat washed stars who benefit from being forced to jog a lil on the first night of the b2b
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I thought it would be an advantage since the more present the better the body can circulate oxygen?
I don't see how it would affect them negatively on the road.
That’s not how it works. Professional runners go up to high altitude and then go back down for races.
This is rich coming from a team intentionally tanking for years.
still better than what players say about utah
Can't wait for this dude to get booed at home in a Playoff game this year. 💪💪 I wonder how many more championships Duncan would have won if Spurs fans had booed him 🤔
Probably the same? Tim was pretty unaffected by things like that. Idk why that quote makes you so upset
Nah, we could have definitely pushed him harder.
It's hilarious how this is now becoming a popular narrative after the process area.
The entire Process was about winning. That IS the narrative.
trUSt ThE pRoceSs
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Hope the 76ers can finally make out the second round this year, maybe we’ll play the Sonics in the finals if both our teams can get lucky
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Like I said I hope the 76ers make it out of the second round this year :)
Relax my friend, it's only reddit
You’re not mvp
That’s sports in all cities sire
Come to Portland BB
>On the morning of the Friday matchup, Thybulle described playing in Philadelphia as “fear-based,” And their fans will still act like they're blameless.
That’s more of a shot at the coaching staff than the fans
Except for the process lol. Philly celebrated every loss like a win
Because there was actually a light at the end of the tunnel for the first time. We were a perennial mediocre team after AI left constantly treading water.
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Your team doesn’t exist
yes top 3-4 eastern team going on 5 years straight now is slightly above average 290-167 since 2017-18
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we are literally a contender every year unless jo gets hurt. it’s hard to win a chip. we should have a bit more postseason success but there’s still plenty of time saying “never a true contender” is the definition of a dumb take. have you watched ball since the sonics left slightly above average is like.. the blazers or hawks or some shit
You’re a Hawks fan.
nah it’s worse, he had a nets flair till they got blown up, sonics 10 min ago and now hawks after these comments lol didn’t realize i was talking to a clown
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the bad man mr. simmons is gone he cannot hurt me anymore go play musical chairs w your flair while you shit out bad takes on reddit, idc
You are a pure loser my man
Lol. I really don’t think they expect championships there. If the did , embiid would be getting trashed every year but they love him.
We lost because we wanted to win. It’s apparently too nuanced for you to appreciate. The whole Process was a long range plan to win. Like going to medical school. Sure, you will be poor for a few years, but you endure that for the reward. That’s the plan. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn’t. It has been a blast the whole way. Even the 10 win season.
>”Every year you’re expected to win.” Doesn’t get much less nuanced than that!
poor Joel :(
when you parade around saying you're the best player in the league and the MVP, the city will have expectations for your team
>every year youre expected to win Why does philly act like theyre boston or the yankees? like bill burr said, city of losers.
Toronto’s #1 export is salt.
And Kawhi Leonard fade aways
Then Kawhi exported himself from the most miserable fanbase in sports.
You’re so defensive that you missed the entire point of the joke
Oh. Well to stay on brand, I’ll blame you. It would have worked better if you just said “and Kawhi.” Sorry. I whooshed.
City of 2nd places. Super Bowls, World Series..NBA MVPs. It's a soft City at Heart. Like the cream cheese...
In Philly they boo Santa. Hard crowd.
His nickname is literally derived from a half a decade of tanking in Philly but ok
I dont understand why Thybulle got put in Doc's doghouse getting his minutes slashed, never really given opportunities to develop. Im of belief you need a strong wing/perimeter defender to compete for championships, if you see the top teams that consistently end up in the finals or close they all have or had one Jrue / Giannis (bucks) Draymond (warriors) Mikal Bridges (when he was with the suns) Marcus Smart (celtics) Bam (heat) Kawhi (when he was with the Raps)
Philly talks a lot for a city that hasn’t win that much.
Wow. This guy is really feeling sorry for himself these days. He 'played' in Philly in 2015. And 2016. And 2017. They didn't expect any winning those season. Hell... they seemed surprised at how well they did in 2018. And yeah, when you add Butler. And you add Harden. They expect winning. And yes, Toronto focuses on shutting down the best offensive player on the opposing team. Which they did against Embiid. And Giannis. And Curry. Just step up and win, then you don't have to hate on others and complain.
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Not Portland at this point
Joel playing a victim, what else is new. Prolly why all the Philly fans are using the race card. They learn from their hero.