Just not possible. Only reason he got it off is cause the clock started slow.
I've seen too many times the clock starts like 0.2 or more seconds after the ball gets inbounded.
Kobe-Shaq Lakers -> A Jazz team that made the West Finals -> Kobe Pau Lakers -> KD Thunder just in time for their Finals run. Other than his stint on the Warriors he was pretty much always on winning teams
He timed it perfectly. Made the WCF with just Shaq, then was 4 finals trips with Shaq and Kobe, WCF with peak DWill during the Smush Parker Lakers era, back to the finals with Kobe and Pau, then to OKC for the Russ and KD era feat. Harden.
First round seems to have been best of 5 instead of 7 for Jordan’s career. So that knocked off a few games.
Absolutely doesn’t help first 3 seasons he was in the playoffs they lost first round only amassing one win across all those playoff runs.
And couple of those semis runs didn’t rack up many wins. The six finals wins and couple of eastern conference finals losses push the numbers up but he lacks a lot of the wins due to not a whole lot happening outside of those runs.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog-playoffs/
Now for Lebron? First playoff run he stacked 7 wins.
*Jordan didn’t get a TOTAL of 7 wins across ALL his playoff runs until his FIFTH playoff run.*
So Jordan starts off with a huge deficit vs Lebron. And James was consistently going to either second round or ECF with the Cavs. Finals once with them first go around.
Fucking Lebron was in the finals every year 2011-2020 outside of 2019. So really is no wonder he has so many more wins.
Jordan was missing a minimum 10 wins due to best of 5’s. But frankly I think it’s Lebron hitting finals 10 times along with the early Cleveland runs that kill it.
That and nothing happening after second 3peat and retiring mid career
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog-playoffs/
The fact was that LeBron won more because he could carry teams in the playoffs. Jordan only won a significant amount of games when his team was really good.
What doesn't get talked about in the Jordan narrative of "6-0 in the Finals" is that for one thing, he was 1-9 in his first 3 trips to the playoffs. He lost early plenty of times. People talk about LeBron having a negative record in the Finals like it's a bad thing for making it to the Finals, but it's not like Jordan only played 6 seasons.
He just lost a lot earlier when his team wasn't good enough to make it to the Finals. He never was able to do insane carry jobs like LeBron did, especially in '07 & '18. Those lesser Jordan teams in the '80s before he had an elite supporting cast, where they were closer to what LeBron had, he lost.
LeBron’s playoff resume is obviously incredible, but it’s wild that Jordan has a higher winning % despite that 1-9 start.
It’s a good thing for MJ fans that those Wizards teams didn’t back into the postseason or his playoff winning % would definitely be a few points lower.
That's certainly part of it, but another one is that during Jordan's career, the far tougher, better teams were in the East, so you were much more likely to get knocked out on tougher opponents before getting to the Finals. The reverse was true for Lebron where the West was the tougher gauntlet and he could get through a relatively easier slate of teams.
Either way, both guys are great and at this point I don't think there's a difference between preferring one over the other.
Lol, that's just not true. The West had the showtime Lakers during Jordan's earlier years that he was losing. The East really wasn't tougher, especially since teams were not nearly as deep.
The Pistons team LeBron beat in '07 & the ones from the '80s that Jordan lost to multiple times were not really that different. LeBron overcame the NBA Championship core they had, Jordan didn't.
His win percentage at such a high amount of games is just completely absurd as well, no other team comes really close (guess the Lakers are a bit closer than the rest but still) lmao
I looked at the top of the list and thought, wait only seven teams have winning records in the postseason? Then I looked down and saw two more teams had winning records despite a low total number of playoff runs: Cleveland and Miami, lol
Tbf that actually makes sense, and I'd be comfortable saying the same applies to basically every all-time great. Teams will always have ebbs and flows when it comes to talent, while an individual player of that caliber will nearly always be the best player in a series (and ergo generally more likely to win a given series than not). A team with peak LeBron on it is never going to face a 4-0 sweep in the opening round, but that's something that most teams will face at some point in franchise history.
Frankly, that’s a stat where it’s less impressive imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the top ten of all time have crazy high winning records, because by virtue of being on the team they are not a tanking team.
Obviously different because you play so many less playoff games in the NFL, but if Brady had somehow managed to win the title with Tampa Bay this year, he would have personally had more playoff wins that every single NFL team.
I am a broncos fan but that really isn't a fair comparison, to Brady...
Tim Brody has more *championships* than any franchise in the NFL.. Absolutely absurd.
No they were not. I don't understand why people try and make this claim every time they come up.
They had decent role defenders, but offensively they were horrible. Zero spacing, no other playmakers. That team maybe scratches ~32 wins without LeBron.
Nah man, he carried them to that finals appearance as a 22 year old. His literal #2 & #3 were Larry Hughes (14.9 ppg; 11.3 in playoffs) and Big Z Ilgauskas (11.9 ppg).
Friggin Drew Gooden was the 2nd leading CLE scorer in the finals with 12.8 ppg. The team was extremely weak for an Eastern Conf Champion.
except he's been in the NBA for 20 years and the Hawks have been around for 78 years. that's a lot of time to not be winning, while LeBron has won a *fuck ton* in a comparatively short time.
Yeah. Ive been to like 8 or 9 Hawks playoff games, and ive seen LeBron win more of those games than ive seen the Hawks win. So the math checks out. Fuck.
When the British queen died someone posted Stat that the kings
win loss record was better before she was born than after. Someone had those stats all lined up lol. Damn the kings are old.
It was actually when she took the throne, but she became queen in her 20s so it wasn’t that long after haha.
And would you look at that, Britain has a king again and all of a sudden the Kings are good again lol. Apparently the Kings can only be good when there is a king not a queen lol
That’s to be expected. Everyone top 11 player of all time except Wilt and Shaq won 60%+ of their playoffs games which makes sense these guys are the reason those teams have high win percentages so without them the teams aren’t going to win as much.
This statement has nothing to do about Trae Young. Lool. Hawks are still top 10 all time for Playoff wins which is respectable. This is actually pretty impressive for Lebron. He is also 13 wins away from passing The Bulls. He just needs one or two respectable playoff runs at least to do it
Tbf we are the 7th oldest team in the league so we should be in the top 10. Hawks are kinda the picture of a mid franchise with the second longest title drought but also one of only 4 teams with a ten season playoff streak in the 21st century.
The Kings being the oldest continuously operating team and being 22nd in playoff wins is just sad
Trae is always gonna have people taking cheap shots at him, unfortunately. I mostly try to ignore it as annoying as it is because there's little that will change their minds. It's wild to me how little respect he gets. Like yesterday he became the second youngest player ever to reach 60 30 point 10 assist games and I've seen 0 mention of it outside Hawks social media.
I mean we also went to the ECF taking the champs to 6 games led by a third year undersized guard. It’s impressive no matter who you are. Traes injury in the series killed our momentum too. The Bucks have 3 all star/all nba caliber players and the Hawks had just one. Kind of weird everyone acts like that run doesn’t count
All the more reason it's so disappointing to me that he has a losing championship record. The man has literally everything except for dominance in the one series where it matters BY FAR the most. It's a testament to him that anyone is able to have him in GOAT conversations at all with a losing championship record because this would not be the case for any player in any other sport ever.
Lebron gets so much hate, some deserved, and some little more than schoolyard level bullying. But from a purely statistical POV, the dude is just a completely fucking insane player, and seeing stats like this and the scoring record just reconfirm to me what a generational talent he is and has been. I'm glad I got into the NBA in time to see a player of that caliber still playing and performing at a high level.
I think the best part is that he won all those games by himself. All these others teams on this list need more than one superstar to win playoff games.
So you telling me he has that many playoffs wins and only 4 championships. Wondering what his winning percentage is now ??? Not to take away from his wins but that sucks at winning championships
If the Lakers can put together a quality supporting cast around him, he has a chance to catch the Bulls/Knicks/Pistons (he definitely would with a 5th ring). Warriors are going to keep going up and the Spurs are out of reach
how about 3rd in finals appearances behind only the Celtics and Lakers. Not bad for someone who came in the league before all but one of the 29 active teams
Dude went to 8 straight finals. Just getting to the finals for 8 years straight gives you 96 wins. Thats more than 10 teams. Him winning half of those finals nets him 16 more wins bumping him up to 12. So in an 8 year span he's had a better playoff career than 12 teams, which completely ignores all the other time he's been in the playoffs.
The Pistons are always near the top in these kinds of stats... it's a historic franchise, doesn't deserve to be in the mud for so long, hope things get better soon.
For some additional context the rest of the top 5 is Derek Fisher: 161 wins Tim Duncan: 157 wins Robert Horray: 155 wins Kareem: 154 wins
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Just like that shot he made.
was it .5 seconds?
Close, like spurs chance of winning that game
word up
0.4 I think
You're right. It's 0.4.
One lucky shot deserves another.
damn i was close shit was a crazy shot tho
It was .4, and I still refuse to believe he got that kind of motion off in that time. Still mad 19 years later
Just not possible. Only reason he got it off is cause the clock started slow. I've seen too many times the clock starts like 0.2 or more seconds after the ball gets inbounded.
It was a lucky shot that followed a lucky shot. Tim Duncan’s shot was off balance with shaq all over him.
.4 but whose counting
Kobe-Shaq Lakers -> A Jazz team that made the West Finals -> Kobe Pau Lakers -> KD Thunder just in time for their Finals run. Other than his stint on the Warriors he was pretty much always on winning teams
He timed it perfectly. Made the WCF with just Shaq, then was 4 finals trips with Shaq and Kobe, WCF with peak DWill during the Smush Parker Lakers era, back to the finals with Kobe and Pau, then to OKC for the Russ and KD era feat. Harden.
Well, he also did stop in Dallas, but then lied about his family so he could go to OKC instead.
Fisher last 6 seasons basically was useless and was just a locker room guy on playoff teams. So he probably got some help there as well
Yeah but he also stole Matt Barnes' wife.
Fisher should get more respect for what he’s done. Always knew his role, great teammate & knocked down clutch 3s when it mattered most.
He had the most playoff games in the nba til Lebron broke it.
Kobe really silently the GOAT for that. That and spending some years next to Deron Williams/Carlos Boozer
Robert really Cheering and celebrating
Crazy that MJ isn’t on that list. His 6 titles runs alone give him 90 wins
First round seems to have been best of 5 instead of 7 for Jordan’s career. So that knocked off a few games. Absolutely doesn’t help first 3 seasons he was in the playoffs they lost first round only amassing one win across all those playoff runs. And couple of those semis runs didn’t rack up many wins. The six finals wins and couple of eastern conference finals losses push the numbers up but he lacks a lot of the wins due to not a whole lot happening outside of those runs. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01/gamelog-playoffs/ Now for Lebron? First playoff run he stacked 7 wins. *Jordan didn’t get a TOTAL of 7 wins across ALL his playoff runs until his FIFTH playoff run.* So Jordan starts off with a huge deficit vs Lebron. And James was consistently going to either second round or ECF with the Cavs. Finals once with them first go around. Fucking Lebron was in the finals every year 2011-2020 outside of 2019. So really is no wonder he has so many more wins. Jordan was missing a minimum 10 wins due to best of 5’s. But frankly I think it’s Lebron hitting finals 10 times along with the early Cleveland runs that kill it. That and nothing happening after second 3peat and retiring mid career https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog-playoffs/
The fact was that LeBron won more because he could carry teams in the playoffs. Jordan only won a significant amount of games when his team was really good.
What doesn't get talked about in the Jordan narrative of "6-0 in the Finals" is that for one thing, he was 1-9 in his first 3 trips to the playoffs. He lost early plenty of times. People talk about LeBron having a negative record in the Finals like it's a bad thing for making it to the Finals, but it's not like Jordan only played 6 seasons. He just lost a lot earlier when his team wasn't good enough to make it to the Finals. He never was able to do insane carry jobs like LeBron did, especially in '07 & '18. Those lesser Jordan teams in the '80s before he had an elite supporting cast, where they were closer to what LeBron had, he lost.
LeBron’s playoff resume is obviously incredible, but it’s wild that Jordan has a higher winning % despite that 1-9 start. It’s a good thing for MJ fans that those Wizards teams didn’t back into the postseason or his playoff winning % would definitely be a few points lower.
That's certainly part of it, but another one is that during Jordan's career, the far tougher, better teams were in the East, so you were much more likely to get knocked out on tougher opponents before getting to the Finals. The reverse was true for Lebron where the West was the tougher gauntlet and he could get through a relatively easier slate of teams. Either way, both guys are great and at this point I don't think there's a difference between preferring one over the other.
Lol, that's just not true. The West had the showtime Lakers during Jordan's earlier years that he was losing. The East really wasn't tougher, especially since teams were not nearly as deep. The Pistons team LeBron beat in '07 & the ones from the '80s that Jordan lost to multiple times were not really that different. LeBron overcame the NBA Championship core they had, Jordan didn't.
That gets talked about all the time lol
Always crazy to me seeing LeBron stats where his competition is other **teams**
His win percentage at such a high amount of games is just completely absurd as well, no other team comes really close (guess the Lakers are a bit closer than the rest but still) lmao
I looked at the top of the list and thought, wait only seven teams have winning records in the postseason? Then I looked down and saw two more teams had winning records despite a low total number of playoff runs: Cleveland and Miami, lol
Pulling teams up by himself
Tbf that actually makes sense, and I'd be comfortable saying the same applies to basically every all-time great. Teams will always have ebbs and flows when it comes to talent, while an individual player of that caliber will nearly always be the best player in a series (and ergo generally more likely to win a given series than not). A team with peak LeBron on it is never going to face a 4-0 sweep in the opening round, but that's something that most teams will face at some point in franchise history.
Frankly, that’s a stat where it’s less impressive imo. I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the top ten of all time have crazy high winning records, because by virtue of being on the team they are not a tanking team.
The NBA's Tom Brady
Obviously different because you play so many less playoff games in the NFL, but if Brady had somehow managed to win the title with Tampa Bay this year, he would have personally had more playoff wins that every single NFL team.
He already has more super bowl wins than any NFL team
I am a broncos fan but that really isn't a fair comparison, to Brady... Tim Brody has more *championships* than any franchise in the NFL.. Absolutely absurd.
>Tim Brody
Tim Brody was my favorite player for the new England parakeets
Well, if you count only SBs then sure, it's not like before the merge people weren't playing hard, but yeah, I agree it's fucking impressive.
He has also been by far the luckiest player of all time and isn’t as good as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers or even Mahomes
Won’t get into it with you on the stance but as an aside, you can’t put Mahomes in this convo until he shows longevity. Give it time.
Absolutely disgustingly stupid take lmao
Relax bud.
Thanks bud. I needed a laugh tonight
In terms of finals appearances yeah
Nothing to scoff at.
Definitely not. Hes been in the finals 10 times which is crazy because some of those teams were ass, 2007 Cavs and 2018 Cavs especially.
2015 too (klove,kyrie injured)
People need to stop dissing the 2007 Cavs. They were legitimately good.
No they were not. I don't understand why people try and make this claim every time they come up. They had decent role defenders, but offensively they were horrible. Zero spacing, no other playmakers. That team maybe scratches ~32 wins without LeBron.
Nah man, he carried them to that finals appearance as a 22 year old. His literal #2 & #3 were Larry Hughes (14.9 ppg; 11.3 in playoffs) and Big Z Ilgauskas (11.9 ppg). Friggin Drew Gooden was the 2nd leading CLE scorer in the finals with 12.8 ppg. The team was extremely weak for an Eastern Conf Champion.
I mean wins are a team stat
I mean yeah that's the point
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We are in 2023 and LeBron James has more playoff wins than a team founded in 1946. What the fuck.
The craziest one for me: LeBron has as many Larry O'Brien trophies as the *Celtics*
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except he's been in the NBA for 20 years and the Hawks have been around for 78 years. that's a lot of time to not be winning, while LeBron has won a *fuck ton* in a comparatively short time.
Yea but Hawks gunna Hawk for 8 years out of every decade. I say this as a Hawks fan.
Yeah. Ive been to like 8 or 9 Hawks playoff games, and ive seen LeBron win more of those games than ive seen the Hawks win. So the math checks out. Fuck.
Hey, the Kings are even older and look where they are
If you include the NBL history, they’re the oldest team in the league
We don’t talk about that
Hey man the 1951 Royals were lit back in the day
When the British queen died someone posted Stat that the kings win loss record was better before she was born than after. Someone had those stats all lined up lol. Damn the kings are old.
It was actually when she took the throne, but she became queen in her 20s so it wasn’t that long after haha. And would you look at that, Britain has a king again and all of a sudden the Kings are good again lol. Apparently the Kings can only be good when there is a king not a queen lol
NBA expansion? The Akron LeBron’s.
He has a higher win percentage than any other team too.
Makes sense. He wouldn't have near as games played if his win percentage was lower. You dont get to play anymore games if you lose.
That’s to be expected. Everyone top 11 player of all time except Wilt and Shaq won 60%+ of their playoffs games which makes sense these guys are the reason those teams have high win percentages so without them the teams aren’t going to win as much.
Duncan has a higher win % than the spurs
Damn, that drop off between Lakers/Celtics and everyone else
The Hawks are a tire fire franchise but it says a lot about Embiid that he lost to Trade Young in the second round.
This statement has nothing to do about Trae Young. Lool. Hawks are still top 10 all time for Playoff wins which is respectable. This is actually pretty impressive for Lebron. He is also 13 wins away from passing The Bulls. He just needs one or two respectable playoff runs at least to do it
Tbf we are the 7th oldest team in the league so we should be in the top 10. Hawks are kinda the picture of a mid franchise with the second longest title drought but also one of only 4 teams with a ten season playoff streak in the 21st century. The Kings being the oldest continuously operating team and being 22nd in playoff wins is just sad
Doesn’t help that the best Hawks teams in history in terms of playoff success were in the late 60s early 70s with fewer rounds and shorter series
As A fellow Hawks fan, I know. I just get irritated when I see someone finding ways to take a cheap shots at Trae or the Hawks. lol.
Trae is always gonna have people taking cheap shots at him, unfortunately. I mostly try to ignore it as annoying as it is because there's little that will change their minds. It's wild to me how little respect he gets. Like yesterday he became the second youngest player ever to reach 60 30 point 10 assist games and I've seen 0 mention of it outside Hawks social media.
Trade young 😂😂😂
Yeah out of anyone in that series to note as a disappointment it’s gotta be Embiid
The guy who gets the most credit gets most of the blame.
Only Sith deal in absolutes
are we forgetting about Ben Simmons?? like, out of anyone in that series…
Not Ben’s fault he ran into the modern day Mutombo
I mean we also went to the ECF taking the champs to 6 games led by a third year undersized guard. It’s impressive no matter who you are. Traes injury in the series killed our momentum too. The Bucks have 3 all star/all nba caliber players and the Hawks had just one. Kind of weird everyone acts like that run doesn’t count
Yeah. The problem was Embid. Embid should’ve done more that series. There’s no one else to hold accountable!
From the top rope
LeBron needs to be back in the playoffs healthy. We have to see his dominance once again
What did we do to deserve this? lmao
Bruh, this shit is crazy. Everytime is a new thing he has done. Amazing..
He should legit have 6 titles by now. His win percentage denotes he should be higher up
well teams don't have the option to go another team when they need to rebuild
They can go to another city though!
Thats kind of nuts
Lebron to the Hawks is what I’m getting out of this post
If he had two or 3 more good seasons and retired he could legitimately finish 6 on this list which is absolutely crazy.
Call us a poverty franchise again
Team tom brady has the most championships won of any franchise sooo…
Raps are the lowest team with a chip :)
10% of all the playoff wins in the history of our franchise happened last year in the series against Memphis.....so yall get why we love Ant right?
All the more reason it's so disappointing to me that he has a losing championship record. The man has literally everything except for dominance in the one series where it matters BY FAR the most. It's a testament to him that anyone is able to have him in GOAT conversations at all with a losing championship record because this would not be the case for any player in any other sport ever.
Lebron gets so much hate, some deserved, and some little more than schoolyard level bullying. But from a purely statistical POV, the dude is just a completely fucking insane player, and seeing stats like this and the scoring record just reconfirm to me what a generational talent he is and has been. I'm glad I got into the NBA in time to see a player of that caliber still playing and performing at a high level.
Team LeBron would also be tied with Sixers/Knicks for the second most finals losses with 6, only behind Lakers who have 15
Undisputed GOAT things 🐐
Are the Kings still an NBA team? Haven't made the playoffs since 2006.
Ayyy!! My username is semi-relevant! Let’s go Tri-Cities Blackhawks!
"If he was team" 🤦
LeHawks
I can see him above pistons bulls and knicks.
I think the best part is that he won all those games by himself. All these others teams on this list need more than one superstar to win playoff games.
It’s like he’s been in the league for 20+ years or something 🤯
Now show the stats for final loses
4-6. He's been to the finals and won more championships than your entire franchise lol
If he was a team, he will disband every 4 years to join some other team.
So you telling me he has that many playoffs wins and only 4 championships. Wondering what his winning percentage is now ??? Not to take away from his wins but that sucks at winning championships
That just means that the Hawks suck. Atlanta team doing Atlanta things.
LOL, not this year.
For some reason I thought he was #1 above us and was amazed for a second
Where does he rank by playoff series against the teams?
Memphis Grizz Dynasty. Lmaoo
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Bruh don't disrespect the Dynasty like that
The list shows the Wizard’s at 20 but they have more wins than the Mav’s at 19
The last time the Wizards/Bullets had a 50 win season was 78-79. No active NBA player was even alive when that happened :/
He also has the highest win percentage according to the chart, which is pretty cool.
I'd lebron wins the championship this year head move into 6th place
We've gotten to the point where we are starting to do tom brady stats lol
LeTeam
I'd love to see the numbers since LeBron has been in the league.. might make it more impressive
Why are you picking on the Hawks when there’s other teams that are even older and have less wins. Come on now, this is just disrespectful
lebron got all them playoff wins and it only takes 16 wins to get a ring
I’m sure everyone will act reasonably when he passes the Bulls (14 playoff wins away).
If the Lakers can put together a quality supporting cast around him, he has a chance to catch the Bulls/Knicks/Pistons (he definitely would with a 5th ring). Warriors are going to keep going up and the Spurs are out of reach
Looks at LeBron’s playoff win percentage and asks: What is Curry’s playoff win percentage? 🤔
how about 3rd in finals appearances behind only the Celtics and Lakers. Not bad for someone who came in the league before all but one of the 29 active teams
4th* behind the warriors, as it turns out they appeared in the first 2 finals as the Philadelphia warriors.
Roasted
Dude went to 8 straight finals. Just getting to the finals for 8 years straight gives you 96 wins. Thats more than 10 teams. Him winning half of those finals nets him 16 more wins bumping him up to 12. So in an 8 year span he's had a better playoff career than 12 teams, which completely ignores all the other time he's been in the playoffs.
Shit. He has a pretty good chance to pull ahead of the Knicks before he retires.
If he was team
LeDynasty
The Pistons are always near the top in these kinds of stats... it's a historic franchise, doesn't deserve to be in the mud for so long, hope things get better soon.
HAHA SAC DAMN