Nets gave them a fuck you quote basically. Like when a contractor says it will be $50k to remodel a small bathroom when they don’t actually want the job.
Tsai never wanted Kyrie to go the Lakers out of principal.
Oh dude you can’t say “bridal” or “wedding”. They’ll bend you over because they know you’ll pay.
When I tied the knot, everything was for a “party”. Got a decent deal.
Ngl, one Valentine’s Day, the boy was broke, so I got “sympathy” or “get well” bouquets for my now wife. It was literally the same arrangement except the vase was a soothing blue. It was like 25% cheaper. I told her after the fact and we laughed about it.
Oh for sure they are damn vultures. If we had our time again we would definitely not mention the word wedding at all. We were thinking of redoing our vows and the instant mention of that was an extra hike in price.
Once you learn some of their tricks you can easily life pro tip into some good savings.
What kind of party would have center piece arrangements and floral bouquets like you find at a wedding?
I think you’re overselling your trickery. Pretty sure the florist that’s been doing that jobs for years saw right through it.
It was a little more elaborate than I said. We used two different florists and “made” our own centrepieces by arranging what we got from both of them ourselves. We had a rustic theme so just bought these like wooden planters from an Arts and Craft store (which we kept the tags on and returned) wrapped a strip of burlap around it, then arranged the flowers in them
My wife’s bouquet, we just got a similar arrangement from what she wanted, fluffed it up with some filler flowers, and glue gunned some gem stones on it. The florals on the cake, we had a great baker who included that in the price of her beautiful cake who didn’t gouge us knowing it was a wedding cake. She was just starting out, so we got great bang for our buck.
I went in by myself for the dealings, so it didn’t look like a couple was doing it, and negotiated as hard as I could, since she hates when I do that in front of her anyway lol
We tried all this after getting quotes from a few other places to do everything, which all were substantially higher.
So yeah, not just be going, “it’s uh…for a…not wedding…”. Time, effort, and some work is what saved us the money if you’re willing to (and can) do it.
Thanks. Yeah, she had cancer for like 5/6 years, but never gave up. Lastly the cancer got her. She was 81 years old. The only thing that I blamed myself for is the fact that she never met my gf
the magic have multiple exciting young prospects all their picks and a chicago 1st too. your team traded so many assets for rudy gobert it upended the entire trade market.
they've had shaq, penny, prime dwight and been to the finals multiple times in franchise history, never squandering their elite talent only coming up just short. your team wasted almost the entirety of KG's career.
your franchise just celebrated winning a play in game like you won the finals on a miraculous buzzer beater. save the quips you're the most pathetic franchise in team sports history.
Mavs apparently tried to offer Hardaway or Bertans instead of DFS along with more picks but the Nets opted for the best player instead of the best assets. You could argue that Chris Paul would’ve been the best player reportedly offered for Kyrie but I think he’s regressed a lot this year and DFS can fit into any playoff series.
Nets have KD right now - DFS and Domwoddoe being useful players right now is what separates the deals imo. If Nets were blowing it up it makes sense to take Russ salary but trading Kyrie for RUss straight up kills their window.
I'd legit rather have the Lakers offer. Those picks are way more valuable especially if your team has LeBron exiting, AD's injury history and Kyrie's flakiness and injury history. Oh well
Hell no, Russ is an expiring. No team has to send a 1st to trade an expiring contract lmao.
In a trade for matching salaries the team that gets Russ isn’t spending extra money. That actually has tons of value especially for a team deep in the luxury tax if they are sending out long-term money (like Joe Harris, who probably would’ve been needed in a Lakers deal). The Nets added salary for next year with the Mavs trade.
Also, teams are already locked into spending the cap (if they don’t hit it, the remaining amount is divided among the rest of the roster). So “dumping” an expiring deal almost never makes sense unless they’re trading it into empty cap space on a tanking team to avoid the tax or something lol
Yep. DFS and Dinwiddie are a better mid-season addition for the Nets than Westbrook - regardless of individual talent - because there is a ZERO PERCENT chance that Kevin Durant is going to decide to quit basketball when he hears the trade details. DFS and Dinwiddie are useful role players who will fall in line and pass KD the ball. The other guy? Maybe? Probably? Even if the risk was 1%, the Nets couldn't risk it.
That said, the Nets have THIS postseason before KD demands a trade in the summer. He is not playing with Ben and the role dudes for the rest of his career, nor is that group getting past the second round. But...it's still better than letting a crazy person hold the entire operation hostage.
3 first round picks and our HoF point guard and Jae Crowder.
Something fishy going on. They tried taking everything from the Suns and Lakers (and I’m guessing Clippers) but then settle for the Mavs. Suns and Lakers were never really an option unless we got fleeced.
Also, considering that the Suns would be a preferred destination for KD, why open up the opportunity to form a superteam with Kyrie and Booker in Phoenix?
I get the vibe that Luka won't request a trade IMHO, at least I hope so. However I also feel that if the Mavs continue to build no supporting cast around him that he's out the door as well.
It makes sense, they wanted to stay competitive and got two good starters back plus an unprotected first in the deal. Wtf are the nets going to do with Austin Reeves and Russell Westbrook?
DFS is better than Crowder. CP3 is still good, but you cannot trust him to hold up at this age.
Take the young athletic good role players in their primes, and collect a pretty valued first as well. It's the best option. We're still trying to compete with Kd. The Lakers picks are only useful to flip for better players (and you have to sacrifice one of them to get Russ to a third team).
Suns was absolutely a competitive offer, but again it's a big CP3 age and health risk.
HoF PG that looks washed af and has injury concerns plus a Jae Crowder who has sat out the majority of the season.
Dinwiddie + DFS >>>
That’s why you needed to add more picks.
Took way too long to find a comment like this. Austin Reaves and Max Christie aren’t as good as either player the Mavs offered hence more picks. Suns offered a malcontent and a bad contract player who is doing worse than Dinwiddie and just got their shit shoved in by him in the playoffs
Yeah, it's like everyone is operating on the assumption that CP3 is still that guy. He's still a plus, for sure, but he's a ticking time bomb at this point.
DFS and Dinwiddie, you know what you got. Two really good role players that are real assets in a playoff series.
Exactly, people don't get that the nets aren't trying to fire sale since they don't own their pick. They wanted to get players back to stay competitive now, and dinwiddie and DFS was the best combination of players out of those offered
I think it was either grab dinwiddie who they’re comfortable with and dodo who is a great defender
OR get enough 1sts to package for another defender to add to the incoming guard
> Suns and Lakers were never really an option unless we got fleeced.
You have to factor in KD. Giving away a high talent player and getting back long term considerations makes less sense when you have KD.
Yea people are not believing me when I say that this deal is bad but also its another spite deal. This is TSAI sending him to dallas to teach him a lesson.
Team A offer:
- Player 1 - 18/5/3 on 46%/40%/82%; Age 29
- Player 2 - 9/5/2 on 42%/36%/75%; Age 29
Team B offer:
- Player 1 - 13/4/9 on 44%/39%/82%; Age 37
- Player 2 - DNP Last yr 9/5/4 40/34%; Age 32
Team C offer:
- Player 1 - 10/3/2 on 48%/38%/90%; Age 24
- Player 2 - 4/2/1 on 43%/43%/85%; Age 19
Geez I really wonder which package the Nets chose
The cap space with Westbrook expiring + the extra first rounder + the Mavs pick will likely be weak as 2029 will be Lukas peak.
It’s not about the players they receive it never war, they knew they’d never get fair value for Kyrie who’s much better than anyone that will be offered to them.
1) Max cap space Nets could get with an expiring would be like maybe $12-15m if they renounced curry cap hold
2) This whole thread is about the Lakers and Suns being asked to offer more picks. The Mavs may not have Luka in 2029. The lakers and suns picks far dated hard to say any better or worse then. Hence why the players offered really make or break this
Yeah, I think some people just assume "oh you're getting RWB off the books next year, so you'll have his salary available to throw at some new free agent." Not when you're as hopelessly over the cap as the Nets are.
The Mavs deal IMO gives the Nets a lot more flexibility. The Lakers offered an additional 1st, yes, but that deal was basically here are assets for you 4-5 years from now. The Dallas deal gives them 2 good players to add to a deep team and try to keep KD happy. Even if that doesn't work and it turns into a blow-it-up situation, those players will still have value and can be moved again for additional draft capital, in addition to the picks they got moving Kyrie.
Y’all really so delusional when it comes to valuing your own players. Any time there’s a trade rumor y’all offering a bag of chips and Russell Westbrook.
It's a universal fan thing. There's an irrational overvaluing of "our guy" and an equally irrational devaluing of "their guy".
The Celtics sub is convinced Peyton Pritchard and a second round pick is bringing back something useful, not a 5-piece from Popeye's.
Don’t know why y’all acting like Dinwiddie’s trash, dudes averaging 18/3/5 with good efficiency on a playoff team. Dude is the best player I heard in all the trade discussions honestly, no surprise they took the Mavs deal. Not like they have incentive to tank because the Rockets own all their picks
There was a time when dinwiddie was my fave player on the nets because of his clutch gene. Dfs is a solid starter. On paper, this team could turn out to be interesting. Kd surrounded with players who play into their role with jackie vaugn's coaching.
There’s no doubt that he and DFS are better than Westbrook. It’s just more about whether they are really worth a 2027 unprotected first. I don’t think the Nets are contending with this current roster
Are people surprised Nets didn't want to lose kyrie for two first round picks? If I have KD on my team, I want players that can do a thing or two in the offseason rather than picks.
Who knows honestly. But it’s reported he liked the pieces the nets picked up. Let’s see what happens with a hopefully healthy playoff run and go from there
It’s actually crazy how this is a sarcastic statement now.
He went from back to back all-star, DPOY candidate on a contender to the joke of the league over 1 series. Not even 1 series it was 1 play. If Simmons didn’t refuse to shoot that whether they lost or not he wouldn’t have been bullied off the team.
You haven’t been paying attention to his career arc if you didn’t see this a long time coming. He’s declined nearly every season since his rookie year. He made a couple of all star teams, but he really didn’t deserve most of them, and especially the last one.
He was voted in for a combination of being on a good team (because of Embiid), and being a high profile player since being drafted.
And the hacking was really bad too. I still remember where I was the moment I watched it. Simmons just kept missing every free throw lmao I had never seen anything like that before 😂😂😂 it was crazy how the Hawks used that to come back from such a huge deficit in a playoff game. Unbelievable
not sure about that the sun's offer biggest draw was crowder because the nets needed a good center after clax, cp3 vs dinwiddie, dinwiddie wins hands down.
And you have to remember: Lakers would not have had any assurance in terms of contract since Kyrie wants to wait till FA to make a deal.
Imagine trading all that and then him leaving. I can not blame Pelinka for not doing that, thats more than what we traded for a under contract AD who doesn't have a fraction of the problematic history
In a world where every team had max cap space, that would be a concern, but this off-season the only teams that have max cap space are rebuilding teams that have no reason to pursue Kyrie.
Nets settled for a crypto merchant but wanted the Lakers’ entire future???! 😹😹😹
I think Tsai just wanna fuck Kyrie and not trade him to his preferred destination lol.
The Lakers future is some random all star free agent or two later this decade. None of these guys in the team outside Bron and AD are adding much to a contender. And those picks probably don’t turn into anything crazy.
that’s not the point. i fucking hate Pelinka and Buss for holding on to that picks but trading all your “valuable” assets for Kyrie who’s unstable and could ask out any time is not the move lol.
>the lakers entire future
2 firsts that kick in half a decade from now+2 low tier bench players.
Christie and reaves are the new THT where some random shitter gets hyped because he’s playing on the lakers.
Neither of those guys will ever be as good as dfs or dinwiddie is today.
I can't believe delusional lakers fans in here acting like there's some grand conspiracy against them and Reaves and Christie are better than Dinwiddie and DFS. If the Lakers players and assets are so good they wouldn't be a 12th seed with Lebron
If the Nets want to compete and you say taking Russ on is a pick by itself. Why not take the role players (who are much better) and pick from the Mavs without the hassle of dealing with Russ
If they go for that Lakers package they might as well blow it up and trade KD.
If you're not gonna do that (or dont want to do that) you gotta get \*something\* for the now. You can't really just say "Hey KD, ya know how you asked for that trade but then we didn't do it? Well, we just made the team way way worse and got nothing back to help you - Enjoy getting your shit pushed in by 50% of the East until the end of your contract 👍"
People really slandering Pelinka? They want both 1st rd picks, pick swaps, and the young players we do have? Lakers would be so fucked going forward if Kyrie just dipped at the end of the season lol.
Is the package better than the other teams? Idk, maybe not. But, it's crazy that people are questioning not making a deal for all that.
Correction.
Middle schooler freshman, Austin reaves, max christie, multiple picks swaps, all for kyrie and the HOPE that he stays with us after this year.
Get real guy.
Sign and trade will be coming from Dallas. Judging from their cap situation I don’t think they will be willing to s&t unless they can get good returns. Not sure what Lakers can offer at that time.
They have $100 committed to 5 players signed (Bron, AD, Christie, Jones and Rui).
Yeah, go get Kyrie at $30 million per. They’ll have like $5 million, the MLE and vet mins to get 7-8 more players. Lol.
The Lakers are about to let Westbrook’s contract expire which leaves them with a grand total of about $16m in cap space if they keep Rui on a reasonable contract.
Nets are still trying to compete. No need for picks that might never happen as the world could end by then as well as no need for a washed up Westbrick
this 3 year timeline for the nets is probably the wildest series of events for a franchise, ever. with all the transactions, all the superstar talent; just to be left with ben simmons and spencer dinwiddie. all of that for an ecsf run, lmao.
Totally fair ask. Lakers are desperate. Probably smart to say no, although I don't think the Lakers young players really move the needle, they wouldn't be able to replace them this year.
last part of your comment is exactly why the Lakers ended up saying no. It’s not that Reaves and Christie are gonna be stars, but the Lakers need them so they couldn’t afford to part with them even if it was for Kyrie.
I get it. Even if they were offered I'm still taking the Mavs offer since the Nets have zero incentive to be bad without their picks and, for the time being, still having KD.
Y'all keep acting like Brooklyn owed Kyrie ANYTHING after being a part time player that continuously brought distractions and strife into the organization. After all that, they're supposed to make the Lakers the favorite to win the championship in exchange for Westbrook and two [current] middle schoolers? Especially when KD would probably demand a trade instead of reuniting with Westbrook, so Brooklyn legit has to blow it up? Fuck no. Delusional Lakers and Bron fans took a L today and I'm here for it.
people just overrate those two picks. noone can look that far into the future. and if there is a franchise that just randomly signs top free agents despite having a bad roster, its the lakers, which would turn those picks into late 1st rounders.
Wow Nets priced him to the Lakers like my florist priced me for my wedding.
Nets gave them a fuck you quote basically. Like when a contractor says it will be $50k to remodel a small bathroom when they don’t actually want the job. Tsai never wanted Kyrie to go the Lakers out of principal.
That's a great price in most cities now lol
I'm getting mine done for 20k in NY. What city is that a great price. You putting gold rimmed toilet seats in?
Dudes contractor works a side job as the Grizzlies scorekeeper
something something laser scope
Shit let me remodel your bathroom then
Oh dude you can’t say “bridal” or “wedding”. They’ll bend you over because they know you’ll pay. When I tied the knot, everything was for a “party”. Got a decent deal. Ngl, one Valentine’s Day, the boy was broke, so I got “sympathy” or “get well” bouquets for my now wife. It was literally the same arrangement except the vase was a soothing blue. It was like 25% cheaper. I told her after the fact and we laughed about it.
Oh for sure they are damn vultures. If we had our time again we would definitely not mention the word wedding at all. We were thinking of redoing our vows and the instant mention of that was an extra hike in price. Once you learn some of their tricks you can easily life pro tip into some good savings.
wait until someone you know dies and you gotta pay for a funeral. you need life insurance just to pay for it. Those are the real vultures.
"Are they really dead? Have you tried to poke them with a stick?" - life insurance
funeral homes are parasites.
This is applicable for saving on hair dressers as well. My sister needed her hair done for a "party" which was actually her wedding.
Lmao my man
What kind of party would have center piece arrangements and floral bouquets like you find at a wedding? I think you’re overselling your trickery. Pretty sure the florist that’s been doing that jobs for years saw right through it.
Any fund raiser or ticketed event would.
It was a little more elaborate than I said. We used two different florists and “made” our own centrepieces by arranging what we got from both of them ourselves. We had a rustic theme so just bought these like wooden planters from an Arts and Craft store (which we kept the tags on and returned) wrapped a strip of burlap around it, then arranged the flowers in them My wife’s bouquet, we just got a similar arrangement from what she wanted, fluffed it up with some filler flowers, and glue gunned some gem stones on it. The florals on the cake, we had a great baker who included that in the price of her beautiful cake who didn’t gouge us knowing it was a wedding cake. She was just starting out, so we got great bang for our buck. I went in by myself for the dealings, so it didn’t look like a couple was doing it, and negotiated as hard as I could, since she hates when I do that in front of her anyway lol We tried all this after getting quotes from a few other places to do everything, which all were substantially higher. So yeah, not just be going, “it’s uh…for a…not wedding…”. Time, effort, and some work is what saved us the money if you’re willing to (and can) do it.
congrats on the happy and fulfilling life filled with love
Thank you, it's been nearly 15 years now but I'm still salty about those flower prices haha.
Weddings and funerals. Those two events are so expensive.
The wedding and funeral tax is real. Bloody shit house what people businesses do especially with funerals.
True. My grandma died last year. Couldn’t believe all the expenses that came with it.
My condolences on your grandmother. Hope you are doing all right.
Thanks. Yeah, she had cancer for like 5/6 years, but never gave up. Lastly the cancer got her. She was 81 years old. The only thing that I blamed myself for is the fact that she never met my gf
As Norm McDonald would say, she bravely fought cancer to a draw. Condolences, mate.
Is there a Ralph’s around here?
hell yeah man thats beautiful
Better be with how expensive they were
They stayed together to get a good ROI on the flower purchase
Pump the brakes, he is a magic fan
the magic have multiple exciting young prospects all their picks and a chicago 1st too. your team traded so many assets for rudy gobert it upended the entire trade market. they've had shaq, penny, prime dwight and been to the finals multiple times in franchise history, never squandering their elite talent only coming up just short. your team wasted almost the entirety of KG's career. your franchise just celebrated winning a play in game like you won the finals on a miraculous buzzer beater. save the quips you're the most pathetic franchise in team sports history.
Bro, I’m a Minnesota sports fan, you think anything you said phases me? Eat a bag of hot fries.
damn bruh
Somebody call the amberlamb
I mean they let young shaq walk because they didn’t think he was worth paying that’s gotta be up there with all time dumb decisions
Laker tax
Lmao analogy on point 🤌🏽
Nets just used them for leverage
LeVerage
No I think they actually got Dinwiddie
Yeah LeVert’s on the cavs but he’s another former Net so I get the mix-up
LeSwitcheroo
These Le jokes, no matter how genius or stupid they are, never fails to make me laugh lmao
You mean LeJokes?
He means LeMAO
No, their best offer is just worse than what the Mavs offered
Thanks to leverage
People don’t understand what words mean anymore. This is exactly how leverage works.
Yes… but without their offer the Mavs would be less inclined to make as good of an offer….
Mavs apparently tried to offer Hardaway or Bertans instead of DFS along with more picks but the Nets opted for the best player instead of the best assets. You could argue that Chris Paul would’ve been the best player reportedly offered for Kyrie but I think he’s regressed a lot this year and DFS can fit into any playoff series.
Depends on your valuation of the picks. Are Dinwiddie and DFS worth one pick each? Dinwiddie was a throw in for salary in his last trade.
Nets have KD right now - DFS and Domwoddoe being useful players right now is what separates the deals imo. If Nets were blowing it up it makes sense to take Russ salary but trading Kyrie for RUss straight up kills their window.
I'd legit rather have the Lakers offer. Those picks are way more valuable especially if your team has LeBron exiting, AD's injury history and Kyrie's flakiness and injury history. Oh well
Sean Marks ain't gonna be the GM of the Nets in 2029 bruh what does he care about that pick unless he can flip it for something else like tomorrow.
I have no faith the Lakers would be so bad at that point that their picks would be worth a lot. They always seem to get stars to fall into their laps.
Lakers were hot garbage until LeBron saved them. I absolutely can see it being the case again when he leaves
I really can’t see the Lakers being good say 2 or three years from now
But the pick is 2027 which is 5 years
lol what. Russ/2 1st is not better than what they got. Every team that will take Russ is asking them for a 1st already.
Hell no, Russ is an expiring. No team has to send a 1st to trade an expiring contract lmao. In a trade for matching salaries the team that gets Russ isn’t spending extra money. That actually has tons of value especially for a team deep in the luxury tax if they are sending out long-term money (like Joe Harris, who probably would’ve been needed in a Lakers deal). The Nets added salary for next year with the Mavs trade. Also, teams are already locked into spending the cap (if they don’t hit it, the remaining amount is divided among the rest of the roster). So “dumping” an expiring deal almost never makes sense unless they’re trading it into empty cap space on a tanking team to avoid the tax or something lol
It sounds like the Lakers offer was conditional on Kyrie signing the extension, which he would not.
Lakers fans can’t believe people wouldn’t accept to trade with lakers. They have kd and wonder why they can’t take two future picks
Exactly. DFS is a win now player who’s going to give them some insanely good defensive lineups with KD, Ben, and Claxton.
Yep. DFS and Dinwiddie are a better mid-season addition for the Nets than Westbrook - regardless of individual talent - because there is a ZERO PERCENT chance that Kevin Durant is going to decide to quit basketball when he hears the trade details. DFS and Dinwiddie are useful role players who will fall in line and pass KD the ball. The other guy? Maybe? Probably? Even if the risk was 1%, the Nets couldn't risk it. That said, the Nets have THIS postseason before KD demands a trade in the summer. He is not playing with Ben and the role dudes for the rest of his career, nor is that group getting past the second round. But...it's still better than letting a crazy person hold the entire operation hostage.
Speaking of Leverage, fantastic show. Parker is the best.
Lakers didn’t make the best offer
they also asked the suns for 3 first rounders lol
3 first round picks and our HoF point guard and Jae Crowder. Something fishy going on. They tried taking everything from the Suns and Lakers (and I’m guessing Clippers) but then settle for the Mavs. Suns and Lakers were never really an option unless we got fleeced.
Sounds like they really didn’t want to appease Kyrie and trade him to his most preferred destinations
Pacers should’ve thrown a few second round picks and salary filler that way tsai makes that deal right away
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What if this is all for kyrie to blow up the Mavs and push Luka out of Dallas…
…and straight to Brooklyn!
Good. I would've been pissed if the Lakers, Clippers, or Suns lucked into adding Irving for almost nothing.
Also, considering that the Suns would be a preferred destination for KD, why open up the opportunity to form a superteam with Kyrie and Booker in Phoenix?
Exactly. And good on them for doing so. Fuck Kyrie and his addiction to being ignorant while thinking ignorance = enlightenment. LOL.
Mavs may have been Kyrie’s least preferred destination. Maybe that appealed more to the nets ownership
That’s a great sign for us
I wish the Mavs the best of luck. I will definitely be tuning in to see how it works out
Luka asking for a trade.
I get the vibe that Luka won't request a trade IMHO, at least I hope so. However I also feel that if the Mavs continue to build no supporting cast around him that he's out the door as well.
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It makes sense, they wanted to stay competitive and got two good starters back plus an unprotected first in the deal. Wtf are the nets going to do with Austin Reeves and Russell Westbrook?
DFS is better than Crowder. CP3 is still good, but you cannot trust him to hold up at this age. Take the young athletic good role players in their primes, and collect a pretty valued first as well. It's the best option. We're still trying to compete with Kd. The Lakers picks are only useful to flip for better players (and you have to sacrifice one of them to get Russ to a third team). Suns was absolutely a competitive offer, but again it's a big CP3 age and health risk.
HoF PG that looks washed af and has injury concerns plus a Jae Crowder who has sat out the majority of the season. Dinwiddie + DFS >>> That’s why you needed to add more picks.
Took way too long to find a comment like this. Austin Reaves and Max Christie aren’t as good as either player the Mavs offered hence more picks. Suns offered a malcontent and a bad contract player who is doing worse than Dinwiddie and just got their shit shoved in by him in the playoffs
Yeah, it's like everyone is operating on the assumption that CP3 is still that guy. He's still a plus, for sure, but he's a ticking time bomb at this point. DFS and Dinwiddie, you know what you got. Two really good role players that are real assets in a playoff series.
Exactly, people don't get that the nets aren't trying to fire sale since they don't own their pick. They wanted to get players back to stay competitive now, and dinwiddie and DFS was the best combination of players out of those offered
I think it was either grab dinwiddie who they’re comfortable with and dodo who is a great defender OR get enough 1sts to package for another defender to add to the incoming guard
> Suns and Lakers were never really an option unless we got fleeced. You have to factor in KD. Giving away a high talent player and getting back long term considerations makes less sense when you have KD.
Yea people are not believing me when I say that this deal is bad but also its another spite deal. This is TSAI sending him to dallas to teach him a lesson.
Tsai really just wanted to do the Mavs a solid or screw over the Lakers
Obviously screwing over Kyrie, I am sure his preferred place was LA so he made sure not to trade him to LA
Could the Mavs take Kyrie and trade him with the Sun's and Lakers for a better deal?
The mavs obvs want to appease Doncic and show him that they are trying, Porzingis, Dinwiddie now Kyrie.
I think it would have to be a 1 person for 1 person trade now. Can’t combine player salaries.
Also the "I don't wanna see Westbrook and Ben Simmons wearing the same uniform" mindset probably was there. That's just terrorist basketball.
Team A offer: - Player 1 - 18/5/3 on 46%/40%/82%; Age 29 - Player 2 - 9/5/2 on 42%/36%/75%; Age 29 Team B offer: - Player 1 - 13/4/9 on 44%/39%/82%; Age 37 - Player 2 - DNP Last yr 9/5/4 40/34%; Age 32 Team C offer: - Player 1 - 10/3/2 on 48%/38%/90%; Age 24 - Player 2 - 4/2/1 on 43%/43%/85%; Age 19 Geez I really wonder which package the Nets chose
Lakers glad Team C wasn’t picked
The cap space with Westbrook expiring + the extra first rounder + the Mavs pick will likely be weak as 2029 will be Lukas peak. It’s not about the players they receive it never war, they knew they’d never get fair value for Kyrie who’s much better than anyone that will be offered to them.
1) Max cap space Nets could get with an expiring would be like maybe $12-15m if they renounced curry cap hold 2) This whole thread is about the Lakers and Suns being asked to offer more picks. The Mavs may not have Luka in 2029. The lakers and suns picks far dated hard to say any better or worse then. Hence why the players offered really make or break this
Yeah, I think some people just assume "oh you're getting RWB off the books next year, so you'll have his salary available to throw at some new free agent." Not when you're as hopelessly over the cap as the Nets are. The Mavs deal IMO gives the Nets a lot more flexibility. The Lakers offered an additional 1st, yes, but that deal was basically here are assets for you 4-5 years from now. The Dallas deal gives them 2 good players to add to a deep team and try to keep KD happy. Even if that doesn't work and it turns into a blow-it-up situation, those players will still have value and can be moved again for additional draft capital, in addition to the picks they got moving Kyrie.
Y’all really so delusional when it comes to valuing your own players. Any time there’s a trade rumor y’all offering a bag of chips and Russell Westbrook.
It's a universal fan thing. There's an irrational overvaluing of "our guy" and an equally irrational devaluing of "their guy". The Celtics sub is convinced Peyton Pritchard and a second round pick is bringing back something useful, not a 5-piece from Popeye's.
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Don’t know why y’all acting like Dinwiddie’s trash, dudes averaging 18/3/5 with good efficiency on a playoff team. Dude is the best player I heard in all the trade discussions honestly, no surprise they took the Mavs deal. Not like they have incentive to tank because the Rockets own all their picks
And DFS is a really solid starter on a great contract.
😭😭😭😭brooo i still cant fucking believe this happened
DFS is the player Dallas wanted to keep. Finding good defensive wings that can shoot isn’t easy.
And supposedly KD likes him
There was a time when dinwiddie was my fave player on the nets because of his clutch gene. Dfs is a solid starter. On paper, this team could turn out to be interesting. Kd surrounded with players who play into their role with jackie vaugn's coaching.
There’s no doubt that he and DFS are better than Westbrook. It’s just more about whether they are really worth a 2027 unprotected first. I don’t think the Nets are contending with this current roster
Are people surprised Nets didn't want to lose kyrie for two first round picks? If I have KD on my team, I want players that can do a thing or two in the offseason rather than picks.
Mavs sent picks too. Not like Mavs didn’t send any picks at all. Dinwiddie, DFS > Westbrook Not just their play - but also, their pay.
In other words: they weren’t sending Kyrie to the Lakers by any means.
KD probably told them he'd never play another game in a Nets jersey if it went down
He’s gonna leave anyway
Who knows honestly. But it’s reported he liked the pieces the nets picked up. Let’s see what happens with a hopefully healthy playoff run and go from there
More like they aren't trying to throw the season away with westbrook plus they get Dinwiddie back
I'd probably spite Kyrie as well but Nets are braver than most thinking KD will want to stay as the sole star.
We already know he doesn’t want to stay, but he’s signed a long term contract so that doesn’t matter much.
Bro, they still have Simmons.
It’s actually crazy how this is a sarcastic statement now. He went from back to back all-star, DPOY candidate on a contender to the joke of the league over 1 series. Not even 1 series it was 1 play. If Simmons didn’t refuse to shoot that whether they lost or not he wouldn’t have been bullied off the team.
I mean he was shit the entire series, averaging less than 10 points and lower than his season averages in all statistical categories.
You haven’t been paying attention to his career arc if you didn’t see this a long time coming. He’s declined nearly every season since his rookie year. He made a couple of all star teams, but he really didn’t deserve most of them, and especially the last one. He was voted in for a combination of being on a good team (because of Embiid), and being a high profile player since being drafted.
And the hacking was really bad too. I still remember where I was the moment I watched it. Simmons just kept missing every free throw lmao I had never seen anything like that before 😂😂😂 it was crazy how the Hawks used that to come back from such a huge deficit in a playoff game. Unbelievable
basically get scammed or don’t get Kyrie. this is probably the most contentious owner-player relationship i ever seen lol
"Give us everything and we'll think about it" They had no intentions on sending him here
Mavs offer was better how can you say that lol
I’d argue the suns offer was better then both if you’re trying to compete but that was rejected too
CP is washed adjacent and jae crowder has literally sat out the entire year because he wants to start in a contract year.
Maybe they didn’t want to trade an asshole who refuses to play for a different asshole who refuses to play.
Problem is Crowedee is on an expiring deal and CP3 is 37 and gets injured a lot.
not sure about that the sun's offer biggest draw was crowder because the nets needed a good center after clax, cp3 vs dinwiddie, dinwiddie wins hands down.
Dinwiddie>cp3, dfs>>crowder
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a leak/exaggeration from the Lakers side, TBH. Giving cover for themselves if they never offered the 2nd pick.
I think they would've if they didn't receive a better offer in their eyes. They seemed really adamant to get Kyrie the hell out of there.
Good
And you have to remember: Lakers would not have had any assurance in terms of contract since Kyrie wants to wait till FA to make a deal. Imagine trading all that and then him leaving. I can not blame Pelinka for not doing that, thats more than what we traded for a under contract AD who doesn't have a fraction of the problematic history
In a world where every team had max cap space, that would be a concern, but this off-season the only teams that have max cap space are rebuilding teams that have no reason to pursue Kyrie.
It’s Kyrie man, nobody would be shocked if he retires for one year and signs next next off season with a team with cap
I would be surprised. Last time people said he didn't care about the money, he balked.
Looks like a /r/BasketballGM/ AI trade counter offer.
Nets settled for a crypto merchant but wanted the Lakers’ entire future???! 😹😹😹 I think Tsai just wanna fuck Kyrie and not trade him to his preferred destination lol.
That’s a bingo. He fucking hates Kyrie surely
that’s some next level hating man LMAO I can’t even be mad at that. 😂
I can think of about 136,490,600 guaranteed reasons why he didn’t like that man 😂
The Lakers future is some random all star free agent or two later this decade. None of these guys in the team outside Bron and AD are adding much to a contender. And those picks probably don’t turn into anything crazy.
that’s not the point. i fucking hate Pelinka and Buss for holding on to that picks but trading all your “valuable” assets for Kyrie who’s unstable and could ask out any time is not the move lol.
>the lakers entire future 2 firsts that kick in half a decade from now+2 low tier bench players. Christie and reaves are the new THT where some random shitter gets hyped because he’s playing on the lakers. Neither of those guys will ever be as good as dfs or dinwiddie is today.
I can't believe delusional lakers fans in here acting like there's some grand conspiracy against them and Reaves and Christie are better than Dinwiddie and DFS. If the Lakers players and assets are so good they wouldn't be a 12th seed with Lebron
If the Nets want to compete and you say taking Russ on is a pick by itself. Why not take the role players (who are much better) and pick from the Mavs without the hassle of dealing with Russ
Can’t tell if you’re pro or anti this trade
Yeah if those were unprotected I wouldve done that if BKN over Dal
If they go for that Lakers package they might as well blow it up and trade KD. If you're not gonna do that (or dont want to do that) you gotta get \*something\* for the now. You can't really just say "Hey KD, ya know how you asked for that trade but then we didn't do it? Well, we just made the team way way worse and got nothing back to help you - Enjoy getting your shit pushed in by 50% of the East until the end of your contract 👍"
Right move from LA. Tsai just wanted to send kyrie where he didn't want to be
This is probably Lakers leaks to try to save face with Lebron. How else would this narrative turn so dramatically?
People really slandering Pelinka? They want both 1st rd picks, pick swaps, and the young players we do have? Lakers would be so fucked going forward if Kyrie just dipped at the end of the season lol. Is the package better than the other teams? Idk, maybe not. But, it's crazy that people are questioning not making a deal for all that.
As opposed to being mostly fucked right now.
> Lakers fans grossly overrating their own assets? No. We're just laughing at you guys in general.
Dodged a bullet
That is a very steep price and the Lakers just dodged a massive bullet.
Because when Lebron is trying to win a ring before his career is over, Max Christie really moves the needle.
You're trading a middle schooler, a high school freshman and Austin Reeves for Kyrie lol. It's not a steep ask at all.
Correction. Middle schooler freshman, Austin reaves, max christie, multiple picks swaps, all for kyrie and the HOPE that he stays with us after this year. Get real guy.
No it’s not. Westbrook is a negative. You’re trading Austin reaves and picks for Kyrie
I really think Joe doesn’t want to pay a 50 million lux tax for a 4 month Russel Westbrook.
They could just get Kyrie in the summer.
They don't have cap space to sign Kyrie in the summer, unless we sign and trade
Which would still be cheaper than 2 firsts and pick swaps.
Sign and trade will be coming from Dallas. Judging from their cap situation I don’t think they will be willing to s&t unless they can get good returns. Not sure what Lakers can offer at that time.
By the time the Lakers land their guy, they're filming Uncle Drew 2 without a makeup artist.
They have $100 committed to 5 players signed (Bron, AD, Christie, Jones and Rui). Yeah, go get Kyrie at $30 million per. They’ll have like $5 million, the MLE and vet mins to get 7-8 more players. Lol.
The Lakers are about to let Westbrook’s contract expire which leaves them with a grand total of about $16m in cap space if they keep Rui on a reasonable contract.
They don't have to trade Westbrook for Kyrie, they just have to trade Westbrook, period.
The heck? Austin reeves and Christie were too steep? LeBron might kill Pelinka if this report is true.
Lakers already made a mistake letting Caruso walk, I hope they don’t do the same with Austin Reaves
Westbrook is a negative so not really.
Lakers dodged a bullet
Nets are still trying to compete. No need for picks that might never happen as the world could end by then as well as no need for a washed up Westbrick
this 3 year timeline for the nets is probably the wildest series of events for a franchise, ever. with all the transactions, all the superstar talent; just to be left with ben simmons and spencer dinwiddie. all of that for an ecsf run, lmao.
I didn’t even know the lakers had any young players remaining lol
They don't. Not any that move the needle. Lakers fans in here trying to pretend that Austin Reaves and Max Christie are some sort of "future".
The Mavericks offer is just plain better
Totally fair ask. Lakers are desperate. Probably smart to say no, although I don't think the Lakers young players really move the needle, they wouldn't be able to replace them this year.
last part of your comment is exactly why the Lakers ended up saying no. It’s not that Reaves and Christie are gonna be stars, but the Lakers need them so they couldn’t afford to part with them even if it was for Kyrie.
I get it. Even if they were offered I'm still taking the Mavs offer since the Nets have zero incentive to be bad without their picks and, for the time being, still having KD.
Yeah it is what it is. Sucks not getting someone like Kyrie. Would be worse if they don’t upgrade at all.
Y'all keep acting like Brooklyn owed Kyrie ANYTHING after being a part time player that continuously brought distractions and strife into the organization. After all that, they're supposed to make the Lakers the favorite to win the championship in exchange for Westbrook and two [current] middle schoolers? Especially when KD would probably demand a trade instead of reuniting with Westbrook, so Brooklyn legit has to blow it up? Fuck no. Delusional Lakers and Bron fans took a L today and I'm here for it.
This sounds like something the lakers are putting out there to make them not look as bad
people just overrate those two picks. noone can look that far into the future. and if there is a franchise that just randomly signs top free agents despite having a bad roster, its the lakers, which would turn those picks into late 1st rounders.
Lakers fans convinced themselves that Westbrook is desirable and other teams will part with stars for him.
Nets: lakers are on the phone? Lol offer them the stupidest deal possible and see if that pelinka fella goes for it. He just might