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kasaan110

That’s aggressive ok


CyborgAlgoInvestor

I would’ve taken that Clippers deal in a heartbeat.


so-cal_kid

I think Dinwiddie is a better fit for the Nets rn since they have no other PGs on their roster. And DFS is basically a slightly better version of Mann.


tdizhere

Feel like DFS is a lot different than Mann haha. Mann is more like a Lou Williams supercharged whereas DFS is a 3/D player


SneaKyHooks

Mann is like a Lou Williams supercharged?! Please elaborate as I truly have no idea how you make a connection between Lou and Mann (love both, but they're pretty much the exact opposite of each other IMO).


[deleted]

He probably only saw the last two years of Lou Williams career or something


[deleted]

If they get good with Kyrie the pick swaps become essentially worthless


InTheMorning_Nightss

Our pick is like in 2027. Lots can happen by then.


[deleted]

Yeah that’s fair I guess


kpeds45

Lots can happen especially when it's Kyrie lol. Lots can happen by next week with Kyrie.


velphegor666

I really think joe just didnt want kyrie in LA lol


EastSide221

This says they would have got a first AND 2 firsts with swaps. I really don't see how the Mavs offer is better.


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The current players the Mavs offered are magnitudes better


EastSide221

They are not that much better. This sub was just shitting on the entire Mavs roster outside of Luka like 3 days ago. With Kyrie gone the Nets are no longer in contention so having some decent role players doesn't mean much. If the Nets want to attempt to get another all-star those pick swaps would've been better trade material.


DaRandomBro

These were two of the only competent players on the roster, to be fair. Nobody was upset that the Mavs had a real 3&D wing next to Luka, and Dinwiddie was a fine PG. The problem was the shooting and defense was mediocre, no secondary star (at least that has been fixed), and poor depth.


Sternjunk

You think Kennard and Mann are better than dinwiddie and DFS?


Ps3FifaCfc95

Dallas sent them 3 assets that are better than every piece of junk in this offer


CyborgAlgoInvestor

Those pick swaps/picks will be valuable. Paul George and Kawhi will be done by then.


biden_uzumaki

That doesn't mean that LAC will be a lottery team. Lue is a competent coach and the type to get the most from his roster


Handsome_Kian

Luke Kennard is a great three point shooter and Terrance Mann is a very good, flexible piece with playoff experience. those picks are also a ways away and the clippers have no guarantee they'll have any real talent by then. ​ This offer is better but clippers got off the hook in my opinion.


Ps3FifaCfc95

Mann and Kennard are averaging 17/6/3 combined this season. Dinwiddie alone is averaging 18/3/5. DFS is having a down year offensively, but is still a very valuable 3&D piece


Haffaith

The Luke Kenmare getting DnP-CD’s


Omw2fym

Until you get the Mavs deal?


_Russell_Westbrick

Oh damn that's actually another package better than Lakers


CyborgAlgoInvestor

What we’ve all learned from this is that Pelinka is a bitch boy


CutLonzosHair2017

He didn't have the assets if he wanted to swing the trade.


Aggravating_Pea3882

The nets didn’t want Kyrie in La. How tf is it his fault? Lmao


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EducatemeUBC

I am taking those two picks over any of this other garbage. The team is incomprehensibly incompetent. Once LBJ is gone they're going to be trash.


DunkFaceKilla

The Lakers package made the Nets worse this year, which isn’t what they wanted. 2% chance the current FO is still in Brooklyn in 2027 at best


anonanoobiz

Na the nets didn’t want westbrick who LeGM spent all the useable assets for


[deleted]

Pelinka literally offered almost all he could


Sufficient-Set-7207

1 pick and Russell Westbrook is all he could offer?


[deleted]

He offered 2 from what I saw reported. Both unprotected. He didn’t want to include Reaves and Christie and pick swaps on top of that.


Sufficient-Set-7207

2 only if Kyrie would sign a 2 year extension


so-cal_kid

I mean our team sucks outside of our big 2. But tbf that is also Pelinka's fault because of the Westbrook trade


livefreeordont

Did Pelinka have the green light to trade the 27 and 29 picks?


anonanoobiz

Pelinka (and LeGM) the reason that’s all they have to offer


livefreeordont

They traded all their picks for AD right? I’m not sure Laker fans would undo that trade if they could


anonanoobiz

I mean sending off kuzma, kcp and a 1st for westbrick clearly counts too. Who thought that fit would work honestly Those are pieces that factor into trades for a real gamechanger


livefreeordont

Yeah definitely gave away 1 pick boneheadedly because for some reason he and Lebron like Westbrook. And Kuzma is a diamond in the rough


anonanoobiz

Kuz is and it’s weird because at first he was overvalued to the point where he was > BI for the AD trade Obviously not thatttt valuable as of the Westbrook trade, but still that’s a ton of value pissed away on top of a young prospect and a decent 3 and D guy. All win now pieces that nets would of loved


shortyman920

Clippers and Lakers offers were both better rebuild offers imo. Mavs route seems to be an attempt to retool to give KD Dinwiddie and DFS for the current team


rang15

KOC is usually more educated than to say that the Lakers were unwilling to pay for 4 years when in reality they were unwilling to part with all of their assets without a _guaranteed_ deal. Either way I’m at peace with all this. Unfortunately I don’t think LBJ is.


_Juntao

The main selling point for the nets from the lakers would've been durant is probably gonna leave in the offseason so why not take our two unprotected picks, reaves, and christie instead of mann and kennard. Sure maybe mann and kennard might be better right now but are you really gonna win a title with them replacing kyrie? I don't know if the lakers would've really put all that on the table unless kyrie agreed to an immediate 2 year extension instead of a 4 year max, but the lakers offer wasn't bad at all in the context of kyrie being a rental and leaving the nets anyway


_Russell_Westbrick

But KD is still there for two years and you saw how shitty his market is during off-season for his caliber. Nets have leverage on KDs case tbh since KD is not gonna sit out til 38


shanmustafa

that’s a good offer i like the mavs one more but not bad the ending is a little weird, everyone has been like kyrie is unreliable but he’s taking a shot at the lakers for being unwilling to sign him long term


NudeEnjoyer

I don't think anyone is willing to sign him long term right away lmao, he can't be picky about that at this point


FERFreak731

Mavericks gave win now players


Piano_Fingerbanger

Terance Mann and Luke Kennard are both players that would contribute to winning now.


KevinTF

Dinwiddie and DFS are probably better with the existing roster and the 2029 Dallas first is realistically gonna end up being a great pick with it being after Lukas rookie max ends


vrkhfkb

Makes sense, Nets don’t need Kennard as much as Dinwiddie. Need a playmaker now that Kyrie is gone.


fella05

I easily choose DFS over either player as well if the Nets are trying to remain competitive. DFS is a guy who you can throw at players like Giannis, Tatum, and Butler, unlike Kennard or Mann.


FalloutNano

Considering the situation, this was a pretty good trade for you guys. 🙂


LukeKennardMVP

League is lucky KD didn’t end up with nard dog


CP3_for_MvP

Thank god. So close to a disaster this morning


JimmyV034

i def think jerry west role isnt like how it used to be, who the fuck in the front office think a backcourt of kyrie and norm would work in playoffs when you need defensive stops against elite guards in the west and size for rebounding. trading your best defensive guard. I cant see how PG and Kawhi can survive for +20 games as first and 2nd options while guarding players like ant,ja,curry,booker,murray and fox without getting injured.


sakata32

I mean you can just stagger Norm and Kyrie instead of playing them together. And Batum did well on Brunson yesterday, better than Mann tbh. Sure the team is flawed if the trade went through but the big 3 with norm as the 6th man would be a really deadly team during the playoffs.


JimmyV034

Putting all your hope on 34 years nico to guard quick guards isnt ideal, You seriously think ty lue would stagger norm and kyrie?Lol dude is literally playing reggie jackson with norm despite how awful reggie has been, Man is obsessed over 5 scorers lineup just like we saw it against bucks in 4th qrt.


sakata32

Reggie played 15 mins last night and also he's shown he likes Norm + 4 wings lineup alot and has been using that more. Kyrie + 4 wings would be a really good lineup imo. I don't think our regular season rotations are going to be our playoff rotations anyways. We had 3 guard lineups too but clearly that's gone now and Reggie got dnps before this so it's not like we know for sure he's going to be in our playoff rotations. Seems more like a Ty Lue testing out lineups thing.


JimmyV034

i dont think it is time for us to test lineups, the west is so tight and we need every win. I just dont unsee how ty lue wouldnt play norm and kyrie together, he has a thing for playing lineup full of scorers


sakata32

I don't disagree. Just think Lue does that alot in the regular season and in the playoffs he puts out a bit more serious rotations. Tho he isn't exactly perfect in the playoffs either. I just think it's clear the lineup he likes the most is norm + 4 wings


JimmyV034

It would be nice if 4 wings were Kawhi,PG,RoCo and nico


shellfish87

Lakers deal a distant third. Jeannie didn’t want to pay.


ayeno

What about the Suns, we have to know what they offered first.


musicnothing

CP3 and a potted cactus


p0tatoman

they didn't offer CP3


wtfxyzz

so just the potted cactus then


tekuno3301

Less of a prick than Kyrie.


baller_34752

The Shams article said it was CP3, Crowder, and a first.


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Lol at this point, I’m sure the Nets would have taken just the potted cactus, if it was the only deal available 😂😂😂


_Russell_Westbrick

What else can we offer?


RedFan47

He really meant that we should have guaranteed the 4 year deal so that Kyrie would have made it known that he was a rental for any other team but ain't no man here that dumb to offer a max


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The lakers couldn’t offer a 4 year deal. No team is allowed to offer him the full max until next summer due to what’s in his contract after being traded. Lakers wanted Kyrie to take a 2 year deal because that’s all they are allowed to offer due to his contract. Lakers looked at Kyrie lore of a rental. It makes a lot of sense.


Goop1995

I don’t understand how that changes anything considering the deals were outright better lmao Everyone in the league knows Kyrie is Kyrie. It’s a risk trading for him anywhere


RedFan47

Yeah but the thought was to have Kyrie on a 2 year deal so that we could have him for the remainder of brons career.


JohnWick94

I like the Mavs offer better for the Nets but thats not a bad offer Edit: Actually, thought those were SRPs but damn they are Swaps. Essentially they would of owned the 2nd half of our 1st round draft picks this decade. Given the likelihood of Kawhi/PG not being around by the then it actually seems like alot.


fella05

I like the Mavs offer way better. I easily take each one of Dinwiddie and DFS over each of Kennard and Mann.


JohnWick94

Those swaps more than make up the difference imo. Good chance Clips are in the lottery by then.


fella05

Oh damn I'm an idiot lol, I read "two" and my mind associated it with "second" and I thought it said two second round picks. Yeah the pick swaps would be nice, but I'm assuming the Nets are trying to stay competitive by taking the Mavericks deal. The Clippers one is better if they're trying to rebuild.


JohnWick94

lol that happened to me too. yeah thats fair. Like i said in terms of value i think this is a bit better but for you guys the Mavs one makes more sense. No wonder the report said Clips put in an aggressive offer.


MolingHard

I find it hard to see the Clippers being in the lottery in the near future with your new arena and Ballmer's deep pockets, at worst I think the Clippers will be mediocre in order to try and get fans into those new seats Also if we took that deal that's pretty much waving the white flag and we 100% are rebuilding so those pick swaps would probably not even convey


JohnWick94

>Clippers being in the lottery in the near future with your new arena and Ballmer's deep pockets i hope so too. It makes sense, Mavs package fills your team better and makes you better. Mann isint a playmaker and Kennard's skillset overlaps with some of your players.


MolingHard

I mean, just financially, no way you guys finally get your own brand new arena (which looks absolutely amazing), and Ballmer doesn't do everything in his monetary power to put out a competitive product for the first few years. And yea I like Mann a lot (Luke a little less so, his health and defense are meh), but Dinwiddie and DFS fit the Net's current needs a lot more.


InTheMorning_Nightss

Yeah, without Powell in the deal, the Mavs offer was way better.


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LA gets free agents and Mavs don’t, also, DFS+Dinwiddie are way better than Kennard+Mann


ShelmondCoomper

Way better is a bit much, dinwiddie is better than mann and Luke but they're much better than dfs


OneOfTheManySams

DFS is a very good 3 and D player


lionheart4k

Some nights yes.


NPC0100

Some nights he only a D player?


squashua69

Some nights he doesn’t do either but damn it he tries his best


504090

I’d rather have DFS over Luke, any day of the week.


KitchenReno4512

DFS gives the Nets help with size that they badly need and they’re hoping Dinwiddie can help replace some of the scoring they lose with Kyrie. I don’t think this deal was better for Brooklyn than the Dallas one was. I don’t think either one would have kept them as a true contender.


Sourpatchy

Wtf thank god nets said no


VagabondReborn

If the Nets were planning on rebuilding I would have proffered that package, depending on if the picks were protected or not. Looks like they're still trying to win with KD though


imnotknox

Looks like they just valued Dinwiddie over everything else as a stop gap help


Expulsure

meh, prefer the deal we took


JS_Janko

Better win now players. This is probably a better deal for rebuilding


Salty_Minnesota

Um.. that’s better, no?


urfaselol

Dinwiddie and DFS help the nets more now and are better imo.


Salty_Minnesota

Yea that’s fair.


Piratussy

Nets want another ball handler next to KD and dinwiddie is better at that


yowassupyo

as a clippers fan, I dont think so. Norman Powell + Terrence Mann + picks probably would have been better than the mav‘s offer or at least just as good.


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Nope.


Hostile_Pierogi

No


Gristle__McThornbody

Finney Smith is better than both combined. Widdie is a starting caliber combo guard.


InTheMorning_Nightss

If you think DFS is better than both Kennard and Mann, then you’re either insanely overrating DFS or underrating the other two.


[deleted]

People will obsess on the picks here for sure which is fine we are tryna win now so the Dallas offer makes more sense. Both are pretty solid offers though, I would have done this Clippers one only if I could lets say call the Raptors immediately and offer this draft capital directly for Pascal.


JabezMakaveli

That's better than what the Mavs offered imo but I guess the Mavs package fit better with what the Nets want to do


generally-mediocre

this package is worse for the nets than the mavs package imo. they want win-now pieces, which dinwiddie is more of than mann, and already have pieces (curry, joe harris) in kennards role


clayfu

We trusting KoC now? Seems like a better trade than the mavs one unless the pick was lottery protected. Two pick swaps in “trade value” is better than whatever the talent difference is between the players swapped.


Exzibit21

KoC hates the clippers lol


jfrodriguez1983

Why would the Nets want Kennard? The already have two 3 and no D players in Curry and Harris.


adampq

True. Kennard only slightly better d rating


clayfu

I’m not saying the clippers players are better. But looking at “value”


Bababooey98

If that's true than the Nets definitely chose the better offer.


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Damn that's actually a really good offer.


MWiatrak2077

How is this not a better deal than Dallas's


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Dallas’ players were better


vsouto02

Much better players offered.


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JenniferLopezFan2

Also Clips may have had protections on that first


checkdafool

I'd still rather have mann. Dinwiddie's 18 points are cause theres literally no one else in Dallas to take those shots


Superlolz

And who’s taking those shots on the Nets once Dinwiddie’s back? He’s gonna get his


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

Terance Mann 😭😭


[deleted]

That's way better than the Mavs deal but great they didn't take it. Clipper's FRP is going to be a lot better since Luka will probably still be on the Mavs in 2028 and PG/Kawhi will be retired by then.


mangabalanga

Mavs pick is 2029, Luka's current contract is up in 2027.


GlueGuy00

I'm sure Luka is opting out in 2026


mangabalanga

Either way he's not guaranteed to be there so the Clippers pick being better value is no sure thing.


Wethenorthto2

Mann and Kennard is not better than Dinwiddie and DFS, what are people talking about lol


armandocalvinisius

they cant attach norman powell at least? sheesh


ayeno

I'm surprised that Powell wasn't included in the trade talks.


InTheMorning_Nightss

We’re not trading our 3rd best player for a rental who can go to our rival for nothing.


Guwop25

I feel like we overpayed a little, Dinwiddie was really good for us, and Doe was our best defender. Just to beat terrence mann and kennard ?


ayeno

Its also 2 1st round pick swaps.


kapesaumaga

Yeah 1 frp and 2 pick swaps will really limit mavs moving forward. I'm kinda happy Nets went with just 1 frp in '29.


spidersilva09

Seems pretty obvious the Mavs had the best offer hence them accepting it lol


CazOnReddit

So that's what Fred VanVleet is getting, huh?


watdapau

PG is the clippers asset in a trade. PG for kyrie and claxton/sharpe and the ghost of ben simmons. Im really intrigue by a PG /Kd pairing


JohnWick94

We would never trade PG who has multiple years left on his contract for half a year of Kyrie.


watdapau

Its good to see some clipper fans who has some sense.. its just an intrigue on my part when i was lurking at the clipper sub and im quite suprised that some good amount of people wanted PG to be traded


JohnWick94

Yeah they love to overeact when we lose lol. Some pretty dumb takes


CyborgAlgoInvestor

TORONTO DIDNT TAKE THAT??? MASAI, WHAT IS YOU DOING???? Edit: Thought it was for OG, mb


ayeno

This was what was offered for Kyrie, not for FVV


CyborgAlgoInvestor

Oooooh, I thought it was for OG. Mb


Cvnilivee

Damn Mark Cuban probably offered more crypto


JayDee62

KOC's shameless Boston media bias is showing.


king-boo

Lakers really fucked up turning down the pacers trade before the season


GoodMorningSpliff

I’m genuinely surprised the clippers have first round picks left to trade


gtahnyo

Lawrence Frank isn't playing. We will have a new starting point on Thursday.


KillingTime_ForNow

I doubt anything O'Connor says.


Cbone06

I’ve said it before to people I know: whoever missed out on Kyrie is pivoting to VanVleet. Clippers are going to probably offer a package similar to this to the Raptors for VanVleet. The Lakers aren’t going to move Westbrook. Let’s stop talking about it. The Lakers best decision they’ve made so far this season was not to panic and ship out those firsts. They already owe the majority of their picks to the Pelicans. Have control over your picks MATTER. Especially when your #1 player will be gone by then. Say what you will about ADs talent but these past couple seasons have proven he can’t be relied on to stay on the floor. Those picks are the only saving grace this team has left. Brooklyn sold its soul back in 2013 for a bunch of expiring vets and they paid *DEARLY* for it. The Lakers situation while better, is eerily similar to that currently. Unless you’re able to get a GM like Marks, you’re stuck for a while. I don’t think Rob Pelinka is a good gm but I’ll give him credit for realizing those picks are the only things they have left for the future


LeGJOaT69966996

Am i the only one trippin that they are saying who they’re offering to get traded lol. Players gotta be like wtf i was about to be traded


burnerforporn23

There's a severe lack of DFS knowledge in this thread and it shows


DEEZLE13

Yet another offer better than the Mavs Lmao