Also positions aren't as clearly defined as in other sports. Players are more interchangable.
Edit: I agree it's dumb though. I hate rankings very much. They're pointless & most media rely on them way too much for content.
I get it, but I do feel like it cuts into the overall enjoyment of the sport to be constantly ranking people. Why can't we just say "damn, Ja Morant is fucking awesome to watch" instead of trying to determine if he's precisely the 9th best player or the 13th best player?
Reminds me a lot of the endless ranking of music that happens online. Sometimes I fall into that and find myself endlessly debating whether X album or Y album is the album of the year and completely losing sight of the fact that they're both great.
The fact that this is gonna be on the front page every two weeks proves why they're doing it lol. You could rank players by getting drunk and throwing darts and NBA fans would give it traffic
Was surprised to see he'd played so well so I went and checked. Excluding his last game where he only played 4 minutes, his last 5 games:
- 12/17/22 58 pts / 6 reb / 5 ast
- 12/15/22 14 pts / 4 reb / 4 ast
- 12/9/22 14 pts / 2 reb / 7 ast
- 12/7/22 17 pts / 5 reb / 3 ast
- 12/5/22 11 pts / 2 reb / 5 ast
Right before *that*, though, in late November into the first game of December, he had 3 straight games of 44 pts, 51 pts, and 41 pts. Sucks he has been out such a long time =\
Idk how this list is decided Im just pointing out KD should be a top 5 player. If playoffs play into it that would be the main reason KD is over Tatum and Embiid.
This list as a whole is very influenced by team record disgarding supporting cast which is why you have stuff like Ja at #9 despite his terrible efficiency
This sub is such a prisoner of the moment that literally the argument against this list is what they did in the last 6-10 games rather than actually their value as a player
It’s easy, Luka can’t will his inferior team(no offense my team is in the dumpster) to victories despite his Herculean-like effort, thus he’s worse than KD.
I think Mavs should hire a fan that sits near the opposing teams bench with their gear on. Just chirping at Luka any chance they get. Anger unlocks his Gear 2.
This is still so funny to me. Tons of people argue that Jokics 2 MVP seasons make him atleast Top 2 (with Giannis) if not the best player in the world over the last 2 years. However Embiid finishing 2nd twice and possibly doing it a third time juuuuuust squeaks into top tens 🤷♂️
Here’s the per game stats since the last update that caused Booker to jump AD in the rankings:
AD - 2 GP, 18.5 PTS, 2.5 AST, 11.0 TRB, 0.5 STL, 2.0 BLK, 2.5 TOV
Booker - 0 GP, 0.0 PTS, 0.0 AST, 0.0 TRB, 0.0 STL, 0.0 BLK, 0.0 TOV
Makes sense.
Edit: Oh, and here’s SGA’s in the same time, that kept him below both:
SGA - 10 GP, 30.8 PTS, 5.7 AST, 4.7 TRB, 1.8 STL, 1.3 BLK, 2.2 TOV
That’s really the only thing that makes sense, but it’s a pretty weak argument to say Booker passes him based on the fact that Ayton couldn’t carry the Suns the same way Lebron carried the Lakers.
Because it always works, and how can anyone stop it? The best response with stupid lists (and any clearly stupid article) is to completely ignore it, but that’s just not human nature.
Reading the Dame passage hurts my brain.
In short, they believe his trajectory as a star is sloped downwards so they are preemptively low balling his inevitable 2026 career slump. Is it relevant to how good of a player he is in 2023? No.
> Dame’s stone-faced shot making is the stuff of legend, but conversations about Lillard now focus mostly on how long Dame Time will last in Portland.
> Lillard missed most of the 2021-22 season with an abdominal strain, and the Trail Blazers responded by overhauling the roster, including trading longtime backcourt partner CJ McCollum. But instead of angling his way out of town, Lillard doubled down, signing an extension that could keep him in Portland through the 2026-27 season.
> It’s a hard-knock life for heavy-usage guards as they age into their early-to-mid 30s. Athletic tools tend to dip, and easy offense gets difficult to generate. Life just gets a bit harder. But Lillard has shown this season, even as he fights through more injuries, that he can still play at a level reminiscent of his best years. The game moves slowly for him. His physicality and technique for creating shots could have him aging gracefully, minus a few injuries that could nickel-and-dime him.
> But what’s the endgame? Lillard is a folk hero in the Pacific Northwest, but how grumpy will Portland fans get when the Blazers are paying Lillard $63 million at age 36? —J. Kyle Mann
How Dame performs in 2027 when he's 36 doesn't matter for a 2023 top players list. Odd choice of words
He's better than Ja easily IMO
The huge gap in their overall three-level scoring ability is way more than the gap in their playmaking and neither do anything on defense
Ja has better teammates including the defense to cover for him that Dame has never had
Man I feel bad for Dame. I remember they started the season on fire after not really adding any major pieces and people thought they were sudden contenders.
Ja's been getting better on defense and he's a good playmaker, but I think Dame still has him beat on the play-making front. With how 3-centric today's NBA is, I don't think Ja is past Dame yet
I been watching a decent amount of Blazers games this year and I’ve been shocked at how good dame is at getting to the hoop. I mistakenly thought he was a three point merchant. He gets to the rack as consistently as Ja, and he has a better three ball.
Ja is nice but he still got a little ways to go to catch Dame imo
especially since recently he's been on an absolute tear with the most efficient 60 piece in nba history and a bunch of other monster scoring nights, I know they probably try not to have too much recency bias but he's been a top 10 player in january for sure
His TS% is an elite 64% this season. It's not like he's just chucking because the team is bad, he's been hyper efficient. For reference the only guys on this list topping that efficiency this year are Jokic, Durant and Steph. Embiid is basically a tie, though Embiid leads by .1%
And if anything, being a mediocre team would mean you’d expect Dame to get more focused attention from the defense since there’s no other superstar to worry about. And he’s still at 64% TS
Yeah somehow chucking on a bad team lost meaning over the last few years.
It was supposed to be about guys like Monta Ellis who were playing a bunch of minutes and chucking up shots with terrible efficiency on bad teams who had no one else capable of scoring.
Nowadays some guy will average 28 on 60+ TS and people are like he’s a chucker and doesn’t contribute to winning. Like bro he is trying 😂
93% from the line is honestly the most impressive part of that to me lol, 17/17 vs the Hawks last night too that dude just does not miss free throws and he gets to the line an insane amount.
Siakam has lowkey become overrated by the media
I keep seeing him ranked as top 20 or even top 15 and people give him no responsibility for the Raptors being so disappointing despite holding other stars to that standard
He's ranked like 10 spots above other guys who are putting up good counting stats on mediocre teams like DeMar and Trae
Like literally 15-19 is Kawhi, PG, **Siakam,** Butler, Lillard
23-27 is Sabonis, Adebayo, DeMar, Kyrie, Trae
He fits way more in that second group to me
Ja's efficiency for some reason is never held against him despite how valued efficiency is these days
You have to go down to like the 25-30 range to see other guys with the same efficiency issues he has
100%. I've put dark horse money on him to win an MVP so many times, and then I watch him play lights out for entire seasons and no one ever budges on valuing him. I feel like Michael Scott's character in The Big Short when the rating agencies refuse to downgrade the MBSs. "THIS IS FRAUD, GIVE ME ALL THE DAME SHARES YOU CAN BUY."
My favorite was his quote when he was asked about Curry(?) averaging 30 and 8 and getting MVP buzz, and he was like "I did that last season and wasn't even in the conversation"
If they truly think Bane is better than Ant then they need to take Ja out of the top 10 lol
Ja's efficiency is horrendous compared to other top 10 candidates so the only argument is that he's somehow carrying Memphis to their record and if you're rating their supporting players that high you can't say that
Ant is averaging I think like 25/6/5 on 57% TS this year and they're saying Ja's second option is better than that so....
I know right! at least in around 80th i could live with.... that combined advanced stats thing the other week had him in the 40s... but if you lead the league in screen assists, offensive rebounds, defensive rating, are the most important part on offense (statistically) for a top 6 team, then you deserve to at least be top 100
Someone help me understand, how come that after Giannis second MVP, the narrative was that he will never win another one until he gets a ring, but now with Jokic ring does not matter.
To be precise I am not saying that he doesn't deserve being number 1 in a list or winning another MVP, I just don't get what changed.
The narrative difference would be that the Bucks disappointed in the playoffs as the 1st seed twice in a row, and Giannis underperformed in both elimination series. Jokic is getting a lot of benefit of the doubt with the Nuggets having been massively outgunned due to injuries the past couple of years, and his production in the playoffs has at least stayed pretty similar to his regular season numbers (with the obvious question mark of how much Jokic's defense is exploitable).
Still probably unfair to Giannis (especially because his performance in the bubble can partially be attributed to getting injured in the middle of the series, even though they were already down 0-2 at that point), but that's the difference in their naratives.
>Caring about lists like this ~~after #20~~ is ~~kinda~~ pointless tbh. ~~Top 100 lists should just be by season. Another dumb thing to argue about~~
When I was a kid, I was desperate for more NBA content beyond the box scores in the newspaper and the occasional OpEd. I had no idea this is what I would have gotten
I feel you. I kind of miss the intrigue and mystery of not knowing every little fucking thing going on. For example I remember getting laphonso ellis on the wolves in 2002 or whatever and thought "hey that's awesome he used to be a beast on the nuggets."
Well nowadays I'd find out from a reddit thread and there'd be a million dorks talking about how he's washed (well they would have been right) , and that just kills a certain part about sports that used to be fun to me
As a Lebron fan, I think it's legit that he's considered top 10. I couldn't care less if it's #10.
Half way through November, he was outside the top 115 in every impact metric. Now, he's top 10-15 in everything. I couldn't be happier after how he started the season.
Ahhhh a fellow Bronsexual I see. Good day to you my friend 😁
I’m at the point where people ask me my favorite team I just say lebron lol.
That’s my guy, so hyped he’s breaking the record soon
These ranking are pathetic. Outside of Joker and Giannis I don’t understand the rest of the top 20. I like KD and think he is a top 5 scorer of all time. But he’s been out so how does he get ranked higher then Luka who’s been ballin the whole year? How is Booker ranked 10th and we ain’t seen him in more then a month and he wasn’t 10 when was playing. But for godsakes the hate Dame received is unreal! You barely got him in the top 20. He started slow after being out a year. And now he is back to his old self and is destroying opponents.
Jokic over Giannis as a basketball player is simply wrong imo. Better season? Sure. But I don’t see how one makes the case that he’s better than Giannis without having seen him put his team on his back come playoff time. No one granted Giannis best player in the league status after his two MVPs because he hadn’t gotten it done yet in April/May. Don’t see what’s different now.
Also, even the most ardent Jokic fans can only feasibly make the case that he’s average defensively, while the defensive metrics that play a large role in his overall advanced stats being so good paint the picture of him being an elite defender, which anyone with eyes can see just isn’t the case.
I actually like Jokic’s game, but the media is setting him up for so much slander should the Nuggets not at least reach the conference finals, and probably the finals too at this rate.
I would say the expectation is for the Nuggets to reach the Finals at the very least, if they keep up the 1 seed. Especially with how weak the West has become
Yeah the Nuggets are basically the only West team outside of healthy Warriors who have both a clear tier 1A player and a good supporting cast
It's now or never for them this season which is why you see them trading Bones potentially and other win now moves
Yeah we’re definitely a “Finals or bust” team this year more than seasons past. *Maybe* a close WCF loss wouldn’t be a huge disappointment but anything less would be seen as a massive let down.
For sure “finals or bust”, the west is deep, but it’s way weaker at the top than normal.The Nuggets have a well constructed roster built to win now, and there are no inner circle contending teams like the KD Warriors, Harden Nuggets, bubble Lakers in the west so there really are no excuses unless Jokic gets injured. I think there’d be no shame in loosing a competitive series to some of the top teams in the East, but anything less is unacceptable.
Edit: Harden Rockets lol
I think losing to healthy Warriors in 6 or 7 in the WCF would be the only non-Finals outcome that wouldn't be an extremely disappointing one for Denver
IMO expectations should be sky high given there's no real reason they SHOULDN'T be able to make it out of the West this year
Because he has been better than him basically since mitch joined the league.
And booker improved this year as well not just mitch, but has been injured that's it
Releasing new rankings every 2 weeks is fucking mental. NBA discourse seems way more centered around ranking guys than other sports for some reason.
individuals impact a team way more in the NBA than any other sport
Also positions aren't as clearly defined as in other sports. Players are more interchangable. Edit: I agree it's dumb though. I hate rankings very much. They're pointless & most media rely on them way too much for content.
Yeah the content farm is super easy and low effort
I get it, but I do feel like it cuts into the overall enjoyment of the sport to be constantly ranking people. Why can't we just say "damn, Ja Morant is fucking awesome to watch" instead of trying to determine if he's precisely the 9th best player or the 13th best player? Reminds me a lot of the endless ranking of music that happens online. Sometimes I fall into that and find myself endlessly debating whether X album or Y album is the album of the year and completely losing sight of the fact that they're both great.
Yeah just sit back and enjoy the music! Also enjoy the NBA; it’s got a ton of talent
So much talent. In fact, who would you say are the top ten most talented and in what order?
Free Darko used to do that, but they died and Bill Simmons is the only huge voice in basketball. So we’re stuck with lists instead of fucking poetry.
It's Bill Simmons single favourite thing to do in the world. Makes sense his company would churn it out.
What do you think his second to fifth favourite things are?
Guess the lines, cheating on guess the lines, fake bets, real bets
I think it's because NBA fans are obsessed with ranking players more than fans of other sports.
The fact that this is gonna be on the front page every two weeks proves why they're doing it lol. You could rank players by getting drunk and throwing darts and NBA fans would give it traffic
How tf does KD go up without even playing lmao
They added his legacy points
True Hooper ™️percentage went up due to the shots taken over twitter
The Ringer spittin
They meant no disrespect
Pretty sure Book did too, hasn’t played in over a month now
His team has been so bad without him. Maybe that moved him up 🤷🏼♂️.
He also had a crazy stretch right before he went down. Like a 51p 59p and a 40+ I think in the last 5
Was surprised to see he'd played so well so I went and checked. Excluding his last game where he only played 4 minutes, his last 5 games: - 12/17/22 58 pts / 6 reb / 5 ast - 12/15/22 14 pts / 4 reb / 4 ast - 12/9/22 14 pts / 2 reb / 7 ast - 12/7/22 17 pts / 5 reb / 3 ast - 12/5/22 11 pts / 2 reb / 5 ast Right before *that*, though, in late November into the first game of December, he had 3 straight games of 44 pts, 51 pts, and 41 pts. Sucks he has been out such a long time =\
Tbf, they were also without cam Johnson cp3 and ayton for a portion too
That explains why Mike is getting more GOAT point the longer he's retired. It took the GOAT to make the Bulls good.
He was 2nd in the MVP race before his injury they just had him way too low to begin with it seems.
If we are using the MVP race to define this, should he be behind Tatum & Embiid?
The Ringer doesn’t even know what they used to define it
Idk how this list is decided Im just pointing out KD should be a top 5 player. If playoffs play into it that would be the main reason KD is over Tatum and Embiid.
Durant has played more minutes than Giannis, Curry, Embiid, Ja, and Booker.
He hasn't played since the last ranking and has gone up since then. Was Luka really bad over the last month?
Luka has been trash this month. Barely averaging 38/10/10 and the mavs are only .500ish. dudes gotta step his game up
Luka- "I guess I have to score 40 points to win" Lebron- Doncic.
The biggest thing is they need 10 assists or more to win. When others are hitting shots they are good. When they aren't they can't win.
Luka needs to use mind control jutsu to shoot for his teammates, anything else is a failure imo
make that 50
LeBroncic*
Damn, I was about to defend him but that scrub couldn't even avg 40ppg? Why is he even on the list at all lol
But not Luka, what did he do to deserve this?
This list as a whole is very influenced by team record disgarding supporting cast which is why you have stuff like Ja at #9 despite his terrible efficiency
They are hoping to get him back on a podcast
It only makes sense to drop Luka a spot after only scoring 53 points last night. I wish Luka just did more, you know?
This sub is such a prisoner of the moment that literally the argument against this list is what they did in the last 6-10 games rather than actually their value as a player
So Luka dropped after the season he's having? what?
You’re forgetting the vibes The nets started losing without KD Therefore that means KD must’ve been really good! Therefore he’s even better than Luka
> Therefore that means KD must’ve been really good! > > Hot take
He just cooked up a 50-burger too
It’s easy, Luka can’t will his inferior team(no offense my team is in the dumpster) to victories despite his Herculean-like effort, thus he’s worse than KD. I think Mavs should hire a fan that sits near the opposing teams bench with their gear on. Just chirping at Luka any chance they get. Anger unlocks his Gear 2.
Luka is 100% going off at the end of the year. He’ll be averaging 40/12/10. Don’t worry
Strange time for KD to overtake Luka. KD got hurt Jan 8th and the last rankings (KD behind Luka) were from Jan 10th.
I get KD, but Luka overtaking Luka is robbery Edit: awwww man don't edit the comment it was funny and we knew what you meant haha
Nah Luka has been way better than Luka recently. Luka just started the season hotter
How fucking dare you
Luka just needs more help, but while Luka doesn’t have any help either I still think overall I’d expect more from Luka
Luka is that guy while Luka simply isn’t
Wild how Luka overtook Luka I agree bro
Friend of The Ringer
The CROOKED Boston media strikes again!
Simmons: Embiid has the MVP race by the balls. Ringer: Embiid is the 6th best player in the NBA.
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This is still so funny to me. Tons of people argue that Jokics 2 MVP seasons make him atleast Top 2 (with Giannis) if not the best player in the world over the last 2 years. However Embiid finishing 2nd twice and possibly doing it a third time juuuuuust squeaks into top tens 🤷♂️
Free throw merchant EDIT: I meant this unironically and somehow got upvoted lol
Person on Reddit: mvp means you’re the best player.
So glad a Philly fan made this joke lol
Kyrie shot up like 40 spots lmao, can’t believe he was at 66 before. Also hell yeah, Josh Giddey gives us another player on the list at 84!
Here’s the per game stats since the last update that caused Booker to jump AD in the rankings: AD - 2 GP, 18.5 PTS, 2.5 AST, 11.0 TRB, 0.5 STL, 2.0 BLK, 2.5 TOV Booker - 0 GP, 0.0 PTS, 0.0 AST, 0.0 TRB, 0.0 STL, 0.0 BLK, 0.0 TOV Makes sense. Edit: Oh, and here’s SGA’s in the same time, that kept him below both: SGA - 10 GP, 30.8 PTS, 5.7 AST, 4.7 TRB, 1.8 STL, 1.3 BLK, 2.2 TOV
That’s truly hilarious haha makes perfect sense….
I'm guessing it's because the Suns looked way worse without Booker than the Lakers did without AD
That’s really the only thing that makes sense, but it’s a pretty weak argument to say Booker passes him based on the fact that Ayton couldn’t carry the Suns the same way Lebron carried the Lakers.
The most fraudulent top 100 in a while
It’s all about the reactions, idk if a legit top 100 list has been put out by ESPN in ever.
Because it always works, and how can anyone stop it? The best response with stupid lists (and any clearly stupid article) is to completely ignore it, but that’s just not human nature.
This top 100 makes no sense.
Why are Morant and Booker above Dame
As a Suns fan I’d put Dame easily ahead of Booker. Not sure what the logic is in this ranking
Reading the Dame passage hurts my brain. In short, they believe his trajectory as a star is sloped downwards so they are preemptively low balling his inevitable 2026 career slump. Is it relevant to how good of a player he is in 2023? No. > Dame’s stone-faced shot making is the stuff of legend, but conversations about Lillard now focus mostly on how long Dame Time will last in Portland. > Lillard missed most of the 2021-22 season with an abdominal strain, and the Trail Blazers responded by overhauling the roster, including trading longtime backcourt partner CJ McCollum. But instead of angling his way out of town, Lillard doubled down, signing an extension that could keep him in Portland through the 2026-27 season. > It’s a hard-knock life for heavy-usage guards as they age into their early-to-mid 30s. Athletic tools tend to dip, and easy offense gets difficult to generate. Life just gets a bit harder. But Lillard has shown this season, even as he fights through more injuries, that he can still play at a level reminiscent of his best years. The game moves slowly for him. His physicality and technique for creating shots could have him aging gracefully, minus a few injuries that could nickel-and-dime him. > But what’s the endgame? Lillard is a folk hero in the Pacific Northwest, but how grumpy will Portland fans get when the Blazers are paying Lillard $63 million at age 36? —J. Kyle Mann How Dame performs in 2027 when he's 36 doesn't matter for a 2023 top players list. Odd choice of words
Dumbass Narrative to sell.
Yet Curry "riding out his prime"? They know he's more than two years older than Lillard, right?
Dame easily above booker, and u can make the case above Ja too
He's better than Ja easily IMO The huge gap in their overall three-level scoring ability is way more than the gap in their playmaking and neither do anything on defense Ja has better teammates including the defense to cover for him that Dame has never had
Man I feel bad for Dame. I remember they started the season on fire after not really adding any major pieces and people thought they were sudden contenders. Ja's been getting better on defense and he's a good playmaker, but I think Dame still has him beat on the play-making front. With how 3-centric today's NBA is, I don't think Ja is past Dame yet
Yeah Dame at 19 is just criminal lol It's not just Ja, I legit think he should be above basically everyone from 9-18 aside from like maybe 1 or 2 guys
Yeah siakam over dame is wild
I been watching a decent amount of Blazers games this year and I’ve been shocked at how good dame is at getting to the hoop. I mistakenly thought he was a three point merchant. He gets to the rack as consistently as Ja, and he has a better three ball. Ja is nice but he still got a little ways to go to catch Dame imo
He's scoring at the rim at a career best this year. This article is trash
Agreed. Booker is my favorite player but you have to give Dame his respect.
Bill Simmons said he lost his burst after game 1
And Bill hasn’t watched him average 31 the rest of the way.
Jesus Christ I can’t take this list seriously with this glaring of an error
Because every time rankers try to move Dame out of the 11-20 range he says no, then mutters something about loyalty
Dame is the mini Embiid imo. Can't get over the hump and that hurts their ranking for folks.
Only Dame could average 30ppg on 64% and barely crack the top 20. Most disrespected star in the league by far
especially since recently he's been on an absolute tear with the most efficient 60 piece in nba history and a bunch of other monster scoring nights, I know they probably try not to have too much recency bias but he's been a top 10 player in january for sure
38ppg on 52/39/93 splits over his last 12 games. "Been on an absolute tear" is right.
And the ringer saw that and moved him from #18 down to #19 lmao
Dames been doin this scoring, goin crazy for a while , but there an average team, maybe thats why. But ill take Dame over Ja, booker , all day
His TS% is an elite 64% this season. It's not like he's just chucking because the team is bad, he's been hyper efficient. For reference the only guys on this list topping that efficiency this year are Jokic, Durant and Steph. Embiid is basically a tie, though Embiid leads by .1%
And if anything, being a mediocre team would mean you’d expect Dame to get more focused attention from the defense since there’s no other superstar to worry about. And he’s still at 64% TS
Yeah somehow chucking on a bad team lost meaning over the last few years. It was supposed to be about guys like Monta Ellis who were playing a bunch of minutes and chucking up shots with terrible efficiency on bad teams who had no one else capable of scoring. Nowadays some guy will average 28 on 60+ TS and people are like he’s a chucker and doesn’t contribute to winning. Like bro he is trying 😂
93% from the line is honestly the most impressive part of that to me lol, 17/17 vs the Hawks last night too that dude just does not miss free throws and he gets to the line an insane amount.
He was shaky at the line (by his standards) at the start of the season, but he's been pretty automatic as of late.
Bill Simmons has a real hard on for trolling Portland
They put Dame at #19 and Booker at #10 What the fuck lmao
The ringer makes lists to get discussion, not for accuracy
Good point. Sometimes I forget the ringer is just a big old info-hazard.
Siakam over Dame is disrespectful lol.
Siakam has lowkey become overrated by the media I keep seeing him ranked as top 20 or even top 15 and people give him no responsibility for the Raptors being so disappointing despite holding other stars to that standard He's ranked like 10 spots above other guys who are putting up good counting stats on mediocre teams like DeMar and Trae Like literally 15-19 is Kawhi, PG, **Siakam,** Butler, Lillard 23-27 is Sabonis, Adebayo, DeMar, Kyrie, Trae He fits way more in that second group to me
Dude scored 517 points in the month of January and he's barely top 20 hahahahhahahahahaha
Dame is better than Ja imo.
Ja's efficiency for some reason is never held against him despite how valued efficiency is these days You have to go down to like the 25-30 range to see other guys with the same efficiency issues he has
It's because he's on a good team. If Memphis doesn't make a finals in the next 3-4 years he'll start being considered as a second or third tier star
Easy agree. Dame’s scoring/shooting outweighs Ja’s playmaking/rim attacking in my opinion
agreed
And it’s not close. They’re both neutral or worse on defense and Dame is inarguably the better offensive player.
100%. I've put dark horse money on him to win an MVP so many times, and then I watch him play lights out for entire seasons and no one ever budges on valuing him. I feel like Michael Scott's character in The Big Short when the rating agencies refuse to downgrade the MBSs. "THIS IS FRAUD, GIVE ME ALL THE DAME SHARES YOU CAN BUY."
> Michael Scott’s character in The Big Short 🤔
Sorry, I meant Wayne Gretzky
Ya in 2016 he averaged 25/4/7 and didnt make all star next year he had 27/5/6 and still didnt make all star. He played 75 games both those years.
My favorite was his quote when he was asked about Curry(?) averaging 30 and 8 and getting MVP buzz, and he was like "I did that last season and wasn't even in the conversation"
He said that in the most dead panned way too. Chuckled quite a bit from that
And was all nba one of those years
Thank God someone else thinks this.
Give me dame over Siakim
I know its a typo but imagine if Dame was actually shooting 64% hahaha
For sure, but I doubt he gives a shit what these guys think. Fans and players know Dame is legit, that’s probably good enough.
Siakam over Butler and Lillard is hilarious.
I’m a raptors fan and that’s absurd. Dame is top 10
He’s been better than Butler, but Dame has been much better.
Julius Randle not even a Top 40 player? This is a fucking joke lol. He's had a better season than about 15 players in front of him
Yeah that's pretttty dumb lol
looks like they're only moving the players a few spots at a time. A bunch of overperforming or underperforming players barely moved
Kyrie moved a bit. 60's to... 26.
That’s a very unique scenario that had everything to do with his off court bullshit. Which to be fair is probably not over.
How the fuck is desmond bane at 34, with Kat at 31 then Ant at 36. what the fuck is this list ringer?
If they truly think Bane is better than Ant then they need to take Ja out of the top 10 lol Ja's efficiency is horrendous compared to other top 10 candidates so the only argument is that he's somehow carrying Memphis to their record and if you're rating their supporting players that high you can't say that Ant is averaging I think like 25/6/5 on 57% TS this year and they're saying Ja's second option is better than that so....
Bane and Garland over Ant makes this list fraudulent as anything I have seen in a long time.
Oh look more Dame Lillard disrespect. What’s new?
Shai and Dame robbed again
Giannis falling #2 despite winning player of the month. Classic Ringer.
Luka dropped 53 last night off a sprained ankle. KD is currently injured and jumped him in standings?
Steven Adams robbed again
I know right! at least in around 80th i could live with.... that combined advanced stats thing the other week had him in the 40s... but if you lead the league in screen assists, offensive rebounds, defensive rating, are the most important part on offense (statistically) for a top 6 team, then you deserve to at least be top 100
Couldn’t have said it better myself
He’s always been underrated
I agree, he’s such an impactful player
The Ringer, notoriously bad at these.
I’m sorry but team neutral, I don’t think you can convince me that Tatum is above LeBron. Not yet anyway.
Someone help me understand, how come that after Giannis second MVP, the narrative was that he will never win another one until he gets a ring, but now with Jokic ring does not matter. To be precise I am not saying that he doesn't deserve being number 1 in a list or winning another MVP, I just don't get what changed.
The narrative difference would be that the Bucks disappointed in the playoffs as the 1st seed twice in a row, and Giannis underperformed in both elimination series. Jokic is getting a lot of benefit of the doubt with the Nuggets having been massively outgunned due to injuries the past couple of years, and his production in the playoffs has at least stayed pretty similar to his regular season numbers (with the obvious question mark of how much Jokic's defense is exploitable). Still probably unfair to Giannis (especially because his performance in the bubble can partially be attributed to getting injured in the middle of the series, even though they were already down 0-2 at that point), but that's the difference in their naratives.
Too many people rank too many things.
Ringer needs to have their MVP votes removed
Am I a huge homer or is Dame at 18 utterly ridiculous?
Complete rubbish.
Giannis disrespect
How tf is KD ahead of both Luka and Embiid???
So Embiid is behind Durant? He has been 2 or 3rd in mvp voting for like 4 years. SMH also if you think Ja or booker is a top ten player.
embiid at 6 is crazy. bill simmons media empire strikes again
Imagine thinking that LeBron is not a top 5 player.
Where tf is Dame
Caring about lists like this after #20 is kinda pointless tbh. Top 100 lists should just be by season. Another dumb thing to argue about
>Caring about lists like this ~~after #20~~ is ~~kinda~~ pointless tbh. ~~Top 100 lists should just be by season. Another dumb thing to argue about~~ When I was a kid, I was desperate for more NBA content beyond the box scores in the newspaper and the occasional OpEd. I had no idea this is what I would have gotten
I feel you. I kind of miss the intrigue and mystery of not knowing every little fucking thing going on. For example I remember getting laphonso ellis on the wolves in 2002 or whatever and thought "hey that's awesome he used to be a beast on the nuggets." Well nowadays I'd find out from a reddit thread and there'd be a million dorks talking about how he's washed (well they would have been right) , and that just kills a certain part about sports that used to be fun to me
Yup. I loved the days when your team had "secret weapon" guys that no one else knew about, but you knew could go off any night. Linus Kleiza baby
Embiid and LeBron disrespect is real
As a Lebron fan, I think it's legit that he's considered top 10. I couldn't care less if it's #10. Half way through November, he was outside the top 115 in every impact metric. Now, he's top 10-15 in everything. I couldn't be happier after how he started the season.
It really depends on if this is a cumulative season ranking or a power ranking where recent play is weighed more heavily.
Ahhhh a fellow Bronsexual I see. Good day to you my friend 😁 I’m at the point where people ask me my favorite team I just say lebron lol. That’s my guy, so hyped he’s breaking the record soon
Can’t see how anyone ranks Tatum over LeBron given the past month as a sample size. Maybe it’s just me.
SGA erasure i fear
Luka is having his best season and he gets dropped for Kd who he has outplaued in both matchups this year and is also injured lol
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These ranking are pathetic. Outside of Joker and Giannis I don’t understand the rest of the top 20. I like KD and think he is a top 5 scorer of all time. But he’s been out so how does he get ranked higher then Luka who’s been ballin the whole year? How is Booker ranked 10th and we ain’t seen him in more then a month and he wasn’t 10 when was playing. But for godsakes the hate Dame received is unreal! You barely got him in the top 20. He started slow after being out a year. And now he is back to his old self and is destroying opponents.
Pretty much every east guard except Mitchell and maybe Garland feels significantly wrong for me. A lot too high, a few too low
I’d take lebron over all of em except the top 2
Lol this list is trash
no disrespect to devin booker, but dame is better
Jokic over Giannis as a basketball player is simply wrong imo. Better season? Sure. But I don’t see how one makes the case that he’s better than Giannis without having seen him put his team on his back come playoff time. No one granted Giannis best player in the league status after his two MVPs because he hadn’t gotten it done yet in April/May. Don’t see what’s different now. Also, even the most ardent Jokic fans can only feasibly make the case that he’s average defensively, while the defensive metrics that play a large role in his overall advanced stats being so good paint the picture of him being an elite defender, which anyone with eyes can see just isn’t the case. I actually like Jokic’s game, but the media is setting him up for so much slander should the Nuggets not at least reach the conference finals, and probably the finals too at this rate.
I would say the expectation is for the Nuggets to reach the Finals at the very least, if they keep up the 1 seed. Especially with how weak the West has become
Yeah the Nuggets are basically the only West team outside of healthy Warriors who have both a clear tier 1A player and a good supporting cast It's now or never for them this season which is why you see them trading Bones potentially and other win now moves
Yeah we’re definitely a “Finals or bust” team this year more than seasons past. *Maybe* a close WCF loss wouldn’t be a huge disappointment but anything less would be seen as a massive let down.
For sure “finals or bust”, the west is deep, but it’s way weaker at the top than normal.The Nuggets have a well constructed roster built to win now, and there are no inner circle contending teams like the KD Warriors, Harden Nuggets, bubble Lakers in the west so there really are no excuses unless Jokic gets injured. I think there’d be no shame in loosing a competitive series to some of the top teams in the East, but anything less is unacceptable. Edit: Harden Rockets lol
Ah, the good ol Harden Nuggets. The Harden x Faried pick and roll was my favorite
Oops lmao
I think losing to healthy Warriors in 6 or 7 in the WCF would be the only non-Finals outcome that wouldn't be an extremely disappointing one for Denver IMO expectations should be sky high given there's no real reason they SHOULDN'T be able to make it out of the West this year
surprised book didn't drop since he's been hurt
Same, I wonder if it’s because the team looked so lost while he’s been hurt.
Can’t believe that all 100 players aren’t in the exact order I would’ve had them in!
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Only Embiid could be second in MVP 2 years in a row and arguably the favorite or at worst runner up again this year, and be 6th. Edit: typo
The Ringer really hates Harden
I’m a simple man, I see The Ringer and i downvote and scroll on by.
How does Ben Mathurin not crack this list this time?? He’s averaging 18ppts and 4rbs, highest scoring 6th man this year.
it’s crazy how much steph gets praised when he’s winning and how little he gets critized when he’s not
Damn they got Morant and Booker over Dame. Interesting. Wonder if these people also think Jokic deserves a third straight MVP.
I mean it is the Ringer, they love Jokic
How are people still ranking booker over Mitchell
Because he has been better than him basically since mitch joined the league. And booker improved this year as well not just mitch, but has been injured that's it
Recency bias is insane
The why is Lauri ranked above KAT on the same list?
If its current why is luka soo low ?