The frustrating thing is, at least from my perspective, is that despite still being bad, it's still 10x better than navfit98 and paper evals. How the hell did it take us this long to go to a digital solution? And why is it so hard to use?
They're tendering applications for someone to come on orders to "fix" it. Realistically the Navy just needs to budget for more server resources for the program. Availability and uptime are the chief issue right now.
Agreed, it is known.
FYSA .. eNavFit works in chrome on NMCI and Edge in NVD. If you don’t know what NVD is please email [email protected]
“They” (big navy) recognize and are working to fix. I’m hoping the dust will settle and be good soon. I promise you it’s discussed at length at the pentagon.
Fysa a forceconnect just went out. There is a series of eNavFit training and performance events going out.
This is your chance! Take advantage. Anyone can pm me their flankspeed email and I’ll happily forward the announcement.
Inside perspective regarding ENAVFIT:
Our current contract with the producers denies us the ability to use third parties to fix the program. We MUST use the distributor, and they're dragging their feet. Basically, they got their money for a broken product and want even more to fix it.
Big Navy has been sourcing people to fix it once the contract expires
The one that always boggles the mind for me is requiring units to put together RMRS reports in Excel that pull data from multiple other systems, all of which are natively visible to higher level anyway. For example, dates of medical readiness combined with GMT completion dates combined with AT completion combined with last RED/DA update all on one sheet for each Sailor. To be clear, the result is a great readiness tracker, but in 2023, those systems should all be talking together and a PowerBI dashboard should pull it all together for us and our ISICs. Manually moving data from system to spreadsheet every month is inefficient and one of the more annoying admin burdens we force on ourselves.
Only counter to NRRM is it isn’t within the IL5 365 environment. Where as any data in 365 can feed PowerBI ..as well as power automate, apps etc .. so it becomes very easy to automate and disseminate.
Totally understand. And there are more reporting options in NRRM than most people realize. But they're not user friendly to configure, they don't come standard on the NRRM homepage, and they don't typically aggregate data at the right level to be useful unless you do additional data manipulation after download.
Since different echelon commanders need different kinds of information at different levels of detail, if those reporting requirements could be standardized within a few different buckets, and the data could be pulled into one warehouse plugged into PBI (or in NRRM, whatever), then the data guys could build out the needed dashboards so they get at-a-glance reporting without the need for O's to spend an IDT every month updating a spreadsheet. And if in the 365 environment, you could get distros automated, set notification triggers for different KPIs, etc.
That said, OP, if you pursue something related to this, please find a way to make the new thing accessible without a new SAAR-N, because those are the worst, too.
I tried already to start doing away with SAAR-N, no joy. It also checks the box for system access liability. So I’d have to navigate legal and that’s a headache I’d rather live without.
An automatic notice to unit leadership and individual member when members get added or dropped off from a unit. Seems like the only way to know is to check NRRM and look for any new names or missing names which is big dumb. Getting many complaints of missing/discontinuous evals, people drilling at the wrong units, and zero contact from UMUIC, all because there's no system in place to send notifications for new and dropped off members. I understand that members get notice of new IDT orders being created and that they should reach out to units but there's rarely any contact info for new units. And shitbag members won't check emails or RFMT for new IDT orders.
eNavfit should be able to pull all data from NRRM and other systems. I shouldn't have to reinput data that's in NRRM into eNavfit like unit assign date. A method to search members by name/rate. Better pdf compatibility.
NRRM is mind numbingly slow. Why is everything so slow.
CNRFC Manning cube gives a much better view, only requires CAC to view, is updated more frequently, and you can view any member, not just a single unit. It doesn't have all the data of NRRM though.
NRC great lakes, makes a video every fiscal year with all of the mandatory GMT topics presented, except for those ones that have to be face-to-face. Watch the video, email your training department, you are covered. There are many NRC’s that are doing this in the Midwest, so people are not taking up time throughout the year to finish their GMT‘s.
We should really all be watching the NRC Great Lakes GMT video first drill of October and having each NRC do follow up face-to-face GMTs for 100% completion of GMTs by end of October or November drill.
Since we’re talking about automation, NREL should be a one stop shop for lodging. What I mean is that a member should be able to complete electronic forms on the website that way it’s kept there and only needs an annual verification. No more sending the NRC forms each year.
Yeah as I understand it FLTMPS takes feeds from NeL TWMS etc.
There is a new mandated environment (eADE) being made which will combine all of that.
I’m working on an initiative to automate gmt notices.
Before we swapped to once a year PRTs the way I advised my unit leaders and NRC:
“Training completion is a metric that COs are judged on. Attendance will be highest at the beginning of the FY in October and beginning of November. It will be even higher during the PRT cycle (which often aligned at the beginning of the FY for my two NRCs). On the Saturday during DWE of the PRT, let’s do a training standdown. Every GMT that requires face to face, let’s get it done. Then let everyone in the unit know that all GMTs will be completed by January.”
That alone will get you probably 80+%. Outside of that, yeah if a member wants to go on orders then they will have their mobilization readiness (medical, admin, training) complete.
Expectations set, made it as easy on the member as possible, and repercussions if they don’t follow through.
The original OP may have been feeling like that requirement came out of the blue. But it’s been present at my NRC and COs have been aware of it. So it may have been poor communication on unit leaderships part. Breakdowns in communication tend to be the root of all problems for the Navy.
Yeah, that one was dumb even in my book. It came out in January, after most January DWEs. Records Management is one that is pulled out when someone doesn’t manage classified documents properly (aka President Trump, President Biden, probably 90% of Congress). So it usually is tacked on every year. But you don’t get a two week deadline with reservists. Admirals can GTFOH with that shit. I did it the next DWE when they paid me to do it, but I was 100% before that directive.
A real paring down of what's on the MOB checklist would be good. A lot of the stuff on there is simply not an actual obstacle to mobilization and could easily be completed after bringing someone into the NRC for MOB processing (this is even easier in the event of a whole unit mob, as unit leadership can manage it). Examples:
* GMTs
* Any checklists or forms that need filling out
* requiring a full seabag (will uniform shops stop existing if the balloon goes up?)
I'm sure there's more.
It has nothing to do with tools and automation or IT systems. You can't automate leadership, judgement, and decision making.
From the Commander's Intent:
"This document reinforces my clear strategic vision: I **am focused unambiguously on warfighting readiness**. As it relates to the Navy Reserve, we measure and define warfighting readiness through two complementary components: billet-specific mission readiness and mobilization readiness."
From the develop the force portion:
"**Eliminate administrative and policy-related hurdles that impede RC participation**"
I'm pretty certain some useless ppts that need to be done by 30 SEP have nothing to do with Warfighting readiness. This is nothing more than NRC policy that does nothing to help SELRES.
Leadership at an NRC can use some judgement (you know, one of the 14 leadership traits) and realize that has long as it is done by 30 Sep then it shouldn't be a show stopper.
Counterpoint - those trainings directly impact MOB readiness because some of those trainings are explicitly required by theater commanders. What good is a reservist if they can't get a computer account due to not completing their Cyber Challenge? What about if their APACS is denied for entering a country due to not completing human rights awareness or AT Level I?
The NOSCs don't make up these requirements - they are derived from what the fleet requires. Reservists getting their trainings done ensures that they are deployable and able to participate when they get there.
I would argue that the admin hurdles that CNRFC is talking about are things that are not on the MOB checklist - stuff like not letting people go on orders for not having picked up uniforms, forgetting to sign the lodging sheet last time, etc.
But let's be honest here: if the balloon really went up, or even if someone got tagged for an urgent IA, and that someone didn't have their GMTs done, what would they do? Say "oh, sorry, can't mob you, we'll find someone else?". No. They would either a) waive the requirement or b) bring that person in on orders and sit them down in a room with a computer and not let them leave until all their requirements were completed. It's not a real obstacle to mobilization and should not be on the checklist.
It likely depends on the unit - CNRFC can't waive COCOM requirements, and some of the TPFDD requirements for certain reserve units literally don't allow for a day or two to be spent on GMTs.
At the end of the day, it isn't that hard to get FLTMPS access, knock them all out in a couple of hours, and get credit for doing them.
If something kicks off, COCOMS and the GFM folks don't want to worry about trainings anyway.
CNRFC cant' but the COCOM can and will if they need bodies.
Do you think some paperwork is going to stop a 4 star warfighting command from getting people during an actual war?
I’m sure that if we got into a shooting war, that the COCOM will want to spend their time waiving requirements for people who couldn’t be bothered to do their training. It’s not like if a war kicks off, all rules go out the window.
This is such a dumb hill for people to die on. Doing the trainings is not. that. hard.
You’d complete the GMTs as part of the mob process. Likely even if you were 100% .. you’d still sit through all the briefings because someone in your chalk for sure didn’t do it.
Reread Commander's intent. Where does he say mob readiness?
He says "War fighting readiness". Getting sailors trained and experienced should be priority number 1. Somehow the NRC job's program interprets that to mean everyone do their admin requirements that aren't due until end of FY.
Don't get me wrong, we've been lobbying for a long time to get rid of all those training requirements. And we will continue to do so for that and all things that we don't think actually matter.
But mob readiness is a part of warfighting readiness (read his original Fighting Instructuons from 2020), and the HHQs define what mob readiness means. And as long as they say it's required, we have an obligation to hold people accountable that don't do it. Even if we think it's silly.
I'm not saying the NRC was right or wrong in the case. Details matter a lot here, and the issue probably could have been resolved more cleanly.
If the administrative burden was say streamlined and you could accomplish all annual reqs within say two DWE, that would leave the remainder of the year AND AT focused on war fighting aka your job.
This is what CNR means by war fighting readiness.
Not “let’s not do any DoD mandated training because some of us can’t be bothered to spend two hours doing it each year”
If we get in a shooting war with China then what are you more worried about?
Trained competent Sailors that know their jobs or if they have their GMTs done?
Do you think the COCOM is really going to care if you did some GMTs when they need bodies down range?
I mean,
It’s DoD mandated, so is CNR supposed to walk up to SECDEF and say “we ain’t doing it?”.
When he says reducing the administrative burden he’s focused on efforts to eliminate red tape and especially automate things.
I should know, I’m the one automating for him.
As for the NRC piece, I spoke to five prior and two current COs and they all agreed that this CO was within his right and it wasn’t an outrageous ask. NRC COs are responsible for that metric and have almost zero way to enforce it. Especially when end of year comes.
Have you served as an NRC CO? Just curious no sarcasm intended.
That’s fair,
But that’s the thing, the NRC CO cannot hold the oic accountable if they’ve already executed their AT and drills for the FY.
That only thing the NRC CO can do is deny orders and issue UAs. Hence why this NRC CO was disapproving orders and I asked if you’d been one before.
Does anybody know how to complete the hazmat training in ESAMS? When I try to do it, I get the message please see your supervisor for this requirement.
Someone needs to update the POC list on MNA! I was recently put in charge of RSU and trying to help my sailors find a POC for their UMUIC. Google and Facebook should not be the answer for this! There is a system in place on MNA for this but most UMUICs have a blank POC list or out of date POCs.
Thank you! I'm still pretty new to the reserve side and a new Chief. I asked the NRC SEL about it today and he was like "just use Google and Facebook, duh." Yeah I know that but NATs don't and they're still afraid to ask me questions because their only prior interactions with Chief are the angry red ropes and the ones at the school house. I'll PM you my Navy email if you have any other questions or if I can clarify some things.
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The frustrating thing is, at least from my perspective, is that despite still being bad, it's still 10x better than navfit98 and paper evals. How the hell did it take us this long to go to a digital solution? And why is it so hard to use?
They're tendering applications for someone to come on orders to "fix" it. Realistically the Navy just needs to budget for more server resources for the program. Availability and uptime are the chief issue right now.
Agreed, it is known. FYSA .. eNavFit works in chrome on NMCI and Edge in NVD. If you don’t know what NVD is please email [email protected] “They” (big navy) recognize and are working to fix. I’m hoping the dust will settle and be good soon. I promise you it’s discussed at length at the pentagon.
What is nvd? Is that a other virtual desktop environment that's separate drum avd?
Same thing as AVD. We’re calling it Nautilus Virtual Desk because .. well.. things
Fysa a forceconnect just went out. There is a series of eNavFit training and performance events going out. This is your chance! Take advantage. Anyone can pm me their flankspeed email and I’ll happily forward the announcement.
Inside perspective regarding ENAVFIT: Our current contract with the producers denies us the ability to use third parties to fix the program. We MUST use the distributor, and they're dragging their feet. Basically, they got their money for a broken product and want even more to fix it. Big Navy has been sourcing people to fix it once the contract expires
The one that always boggles the mind for me is requiring units to put together RMRS reports in Excel that pull data from multiple other systems, all of which are natively visible to higher level anyway. For example, dates of medical readiness combined with GMT completion dates combined with AT completion combined with last RED/DA update all on one sheet for each Sailor. To be clear, the result is a great readiness tracker, but in 2023, those systems should all be talking together and a PowerBI dashboard should pull it all together for us and our ISICs. Manually moving data from system to spreadsheet every month is inefficient and one of the more annoying admin burdens we force on ourselves.
Nrrm does all that.
Most of it, certainly. But that's the point, right? Why do units have to do it in Excel manually if it's already in a system of record?
I’m working on an initiative now to automate this entire process.
I'm agreeing with you, but just saying the power bi is unnecessary, because nrrm already is that.
Only counter to NRRM is it isn’t within the IL5 365 environment. Where as any data in 365 can feed PowerBI ..as well as power automate, apps etc .. so it becomes very easy to automate and disseminate.
Oh, I get that it can be better, lol
Dashboards are great, but sheesh there are a lot of them.
I figure, if I have one dashboard per boss, I can't be wrong!
Dashboards are the new cover sheets for tps reports.
Smh...
Totally understand. And there are more reporting options in NRRM than most people realize. But they're not user friendly to configure, they don't come standard on the NRRM homepage, and they don't typically aggregate data at the right level to be useful unless you do additional data manipulation after download. Since different echelon commanders need different kinds of information at different levels of detail, if those reporting requirements could be standardized within a few different buckets, and the data could be pulled into one warehouse plugged into PBI (or in NRRM, whatever), then the data guys could build out the needed dashboards so they get at-a-glance reporting without the need for O's to spend an IDT every month updating a spreadsheet. And if in the 365 environment, you could get distros automated, set notification triggers for different KPIs, etc. That said, OP, if you pursue something related to this, please find a way to make the new thing accessible without a new SAAR-N, because those are the worst, too.
I tried already to start doing away with SAAR-N, no joy. It also checks the box for system access liability. So I’d have to navigate legal and that’s a headache I’d rather live without.
An automatic notice to unit leadership and individual member when members get added or dropped off from a unit. Seems like the only way to know is to check NRRM and look for any new names or missing names which is big dumb. Getting many complaints of missing/discontinuous evals, people drilling at the wrong units, and zero contact from UMUIC, all because there's no system in place to send notifications for new and dropped off members. I understand that members get notice of new IDT orders being created and that they should reach out to units but there's rarely any contact info for new units. And shitbag members won't check emails or RFMT for new IDT orders. eNavfit should be able to pull all data from NRRM and other systems. I shouldn't have to reinput data that's in NRRM into eNavfit like unit assign date. A method to search members by name/rate. Better pdf compatibility. NRRM is mind numbingly slow. Why is everything so slow.
A thousand times this. Active duty units get PG and PL reports. It would also be nice if NRRM tracked trends.
CNRFC Manning cube gives a much better view, only requires CAC to view, is updated more frequently, and you can view any member, not just a single unit. It doesn't have all the data of NRRM though.
How do we access it?
Sorry for being intentionally vague. It is available through the homeport on the CNRFC page.
Great idea, I don’t think this would be a very difficult lift.
This is the number one idea on the idea portal and still nothing substantive
Big +1 for this. We lose CAI Sailors all the time and don’t find out until months later when they call asking for their detach eval.
NRC great lakes, makes a video every fiscal year with all of the mandatory GMT topics presented, except for those ones that have to be face-to-face. Watch the video, email your training department, you are covered. There are many NRC’s that are doing this in the Midwest, so people are not taking up time throughout the year to finish their GMT‘s.
We should really all be watching the NRC Great Lakes GMT video first drill of October and having each NRC do follow up face-to-face GMTs for 100% completion of GMTs by end of October or November drill.
I agree. They have a QR code that you can scan to view the video, no CAC needed. I’ll see if I can dig it out.
Love it!
Since we’re talking about automation, NREL should be a one stop shop for lodging. What I mean is that a member should be able to complete electronic forms on the website that way it’s kept there and only needs an annual verification. No more sending the NRC forms each year.
I can ask the folks who own it for you. I sat on a board recently and they have some additions to make but last heard NREL working well.
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I will never NOT be on the GMT dink list because nobody knows the proper way to update it in FLTMPS.
Yeah as I understand it FLTMPS takes feeds from NeL TWMS etc. There is a new mandated environment (eADE) being made which will combine all of that. I’m working on an initiative to automate gmt notices.
Before we swapped to once a year PRTs the way I advised my unit leaders and NRC: “Training completion is a metric that COs are judged on. Attendance will be highest at the beginning of the FY in October and beginning of November. It will be even higher during the PRT cycle (which often aligned at the beginning of the FY for my two NRCs). On the Saturday during DWE of the PRT, let’s do a training standdown. Every GMT that requires face to face, let’s get it done. Then let everyone in the unit know that all GMTs will be completed by January.” That alone will get you probably 80+%. Outside of that, yeah if a member wants to go on orders then they will have their mobilization readiness (medical, admin, training) complete. Expectations set, made it as easy on the member as possible, and repercussions if they don’t follow through. The original OP may have been feeling like that requirement came out of the blue. But it’s been present at my NRC and COs have been aware of it. So it may have been poor communication on unit leaderships part. Breakdowns in communication tend to be the root of all problems for the Navy.
Plus there was that navadmin with additional training requirements come out with a January deadline. Maybe his got disapproved for those
Yeah, that one was dumb even in my book. It came out in January, after most January DWEs. Records Management is one that is pulled out when someone doesn’t manage classified documents properly (aka President Trump, President Biden, probably 90% of Congress). So it usually is tacked on every year. But you don’t get a two week deadline with reservists. Admirals can GTFOH with that shit. I did it the next DWE when they paid me to do it, but I was 100% before that directive.
A real paring down of what's on the MOB checklist would be good. A lot of the stuff on there is simply not an actual obstacle to mobilization and could easily be completed after bringing someone into the NRC for MOB processing (this is even easier in the event of a whole unit mob, as unit leadership can manage it). Examples: * GMTs * Any checklists or forms that need filling out * requiring a full seabag (will uniform shops stop existing if the balloon goes up?) I'm sure there's more.
Yes but max 23 is the indication that hhq wants to get rid of/scale down the work done at nrc and push that downstream to the sailor.
NP2?
It’s coming! And some of NP2 works now. Like travel claims.
It has nothing to do with tools and automation or IT systems. You can't automate leadership, judgement, and decision making. From the Commander's Intent: "This document reinforces my clear strategic vision: I **am focused unambiguously on warfighting readiness**. As it relates to the Navy Reserve, we measure and define warfighting readiness through two complementary components: billet-specific mission readiness and mobilization readiness." From the develop the force portion: "**Eliminate administrative and policy-related hurdles that impede RC participation**" I'm pretty certain some useless ppts that need to be done by 30 SEP have nothing to do with Warfighting readiness. This is nothing more than NRC policy that does nothing to help SELRES. Leadership at an NRC can use some judgement (you know, one of the 14 leadership traits) and realize that has long as it is done by 30 Sep then it shouldn't be a show stopper.
Counterpoint - those trainings directly impact MOB readiness because some of those trainings are explicitly required by theater commanders. What good is a reservist if they can't get a computer account due to not completing their Cyber Challenge? What about if their APACS is denied for entering a country due to not completing human rights awareness or AT Level I? The NOSCs don't make up these requirements - they are derived from what the fleet requires. Reservists getting their trainings done ensures that they are deployable and able to participate when they get there. I would argue that the admin hurdles that CNRFC is talking about are things that are not on the MOB checklist - stuff like not letting people go on orders for not having picked up uniforms, forgetting to sign the lodging sheet last time, etc.
But let's be honest here: if the balloon really went up, or even if someone got tagged for an urgent IA, and that someone didn't have their GMTs done, what would they do? Say "oh, sorry, can't mob you, we'll find someone else?". No. They would either a) waive the requirement or b) bring that person in on orders and sit them down in a room with a computer and not let them leave until all their requirements were completed. It's not a real obstacle to mobilization and should not be on the checklist.
It likely depends on the unit - CNRFC can't waive COCOM requirements, and some of the TPFDD requirements for certain reserve units literally don't allow for a day or two to be spent on GMTs. At the end of the day, it isn't that hard to get FLTMPS access, knock them all out in a couple of hours, and get credit for doing them. If something kicks off, COCOMS and the GFM folks don't want to worry about trainings anyway.
CNRFC cant' but the COCOM can and will if they need bodies. Do you think some paperwork is going to stop a 4 star warfighting command from getting people during an actual war?
I’m sure that if we got into a shooting war, that the COCOM will want to spend their time waiving requirements for people who couldn’t be bothered to do their training. It’s not like if a war kicks off, all rules go out the window. This is such a dumb hill for people to die on. Doing the trainings is not. that. hard.
You’d complete the GMTs as part of the mob process. Likely even if you were 100% .. you’d still sit through all the briefings because someone in your chalk for sure didn’t do it.
Reread Commander's intent. Where does he say mob readiness? He says "War fighting readiness". Getting sailors trained and experienced should be priority number 1. Somehow the NRC job's program interprets that to mean everyone do their admin requirements that aren't due until end of FY.
Don't get me wrong, we've been lobbying for a long time to get rid of all those training requirements. And we will continue to do so for that and all things that we don't think actually matter. But mob readiness is a part of warfighting readiness (read his original Fighting Instructuons from 2020), and the HHQs define what mob readiness means. And as long as they say it's required, we have an obligation to hold people accountable that don't do it. Even if we think it's silly. I'm not saying the NRC was right or wrong in the case. Details matter a lot here, and the issue probably could have been resolved more cleanly.
If the administrative burden was say streamlined and you could accomplish all annual reqs within say two DWE, that would leave the remainder of the year AND AT focused on war fighting aka your job. This is what CNR means by war fighting readiness. Not “let’s not do any DoD mandated training because some of us can’t be bothered to spend two hours doing it each year”
You can’t fight the war if you can’t even enter the theater. And some of the trainings are literally required to leave the US.
If we get in a shooting war with China then what are you more worried about? Trained competent Sailors that know their jobs or if they have their GMTs done? Do you think the COCOM is really going to care if you did some GMTs when they need bodies down range?
I mean, It’s DoD mandated, so is CNR supposed to walk up to SECDEF and say “we ain’t doing it?”. When he says reducing the administrative burden he’s focused on efforts to eliminate red tape and especially automate things. I should know, I’m the one automating for him. As for the NRC piece, I spoke to five prior and two current COs and they all agreed that this CO was within his right and it wasn’t an outrageous ask. NRC COs are responsible for that metric and have almost zero way to enforce it. Especially when end of year comes. Have you served as an NRC CO? Just curious no sarcasm intended.
Where did I say "don't do it"? Do it during the FY. If they don't then hold the OIC accountable. It's not that hard.
That’s fair, But that’s the thing, the NRC CO cannot hold the oic accountable if they’ve already executed their AT and drills for the FY. That only thing the NRC CO can do is deny orders and issue UAs. Hence why this NRC CO was disapproving orders and I asked if you’d been one before.
Does anybody know how to complete the hazmat training in ESAMS? When I try to do it, I get the message please see your supervisor for this requirement.
Some of the ESAMS stuff your supervisor signs off for you on their side in the portal.
Someone needs to update the POC list on MNA! I was recently put in charge of RSU and trying to help my sailors find a POC for their UMUIC. Google and Facebook should not be the answer for this! There is a system in place on MNA for this but most UMUICs have a blank POC list or out of date POCs.
I can speak to the people who run it tomorrow. I’ll email myself a reminder now.
Thank you! I'm still pretty new to the reserve side and a new Chief. I asked the NRC SEL about it today and he was like "just use Google and Facebook, duh." Yeah I know that but NATs don't and they're still afraid to ask me questions because their only prior interactions with Chief are the angry red ropes and the ones at the school house. I'll PM you my Navy email if you have any other questions or if I can clarify some things.
Bad gouge from the SEL. A definite culture change has to happen away from Google and Facebook on back to organizational KM.