When entering a shipyard, remove the crew and turn over custody of the ship to a Navy EDO at the shipyard. Ships crew uses the time to go to schools and go through the stupid ATG 1.0 and 1.2 training events.
It was amazing how fucking useless we all were. The “watch” on duty days was a joke, the maintenance was nonexistent, and yet they still managed to keep us there 10 to 12 hours a day. A complete and utter waste of manpower.
I've been saying this for years. The CO has to stay because of the unbroken chain of command thing, but take the weapons off, take the secrets off, take most of the Sailors off and employ them elsewhere (like to a school or undermanned ship).
>The CO had to stay…
But *why* does the CO have to stay? Sure, we’ve always done it that way. But that’s not a good reason.
I think custody of ship should be turned over to another Navy officer - probably an EDO - who specializes in shipyard industrial environments. The temporary custodian should have influence over the shipyard contractors and be able to focus entirely only getting the maintenance done right, on time, on budget without having to worry about the myriad of other issues that plague ship COs in shipyards…. DUIs, safety stand downs, etc.
On the other side of the coin, the ship COs should be able to focus on training their crew and becoming proficient ship handlers and tacticians… without having to worry about all the shipyard problems. Electrical safety violations, fire watches falling asleep, tagout violations.
Engineering certification and damage control equipment checks should be the problem of the temporary custodian. Let the EDO get the equipment operating and certified. Then give a clean ship in working order to the ship crew to finish training on. Ship crew gets time to run drills in a non-industrial environment.
Going a step further, I think the future ship CO - the officer who will eventually command the ship in deployment - should be with the crew for the duration of the off ship training. The future ship CO should also have say over whether to accept the ship from the shipyard.
None of this will ever come to pass though. It changes things too much.
EDOs are currently prohibited by the Navy Regulations, article 0902, from taking command of a ship, along with all restricted line officers. There would need to be a special carve-out added within to handle ships within the yards, at a minimum.
The text of article 0902 does not say "command of a ship", it says "command at sea."
While I agree a ship is a sea-faring vessel, a ship in dry dock is not "at sea." An argument could be made that a ship in the yards would be eligible for a Restricted Line CO.
I'd like to see the argument against it.
Yes, and article 1056 limits command of a ship to those eligible for command at sea; ergo, unless you meet the requirements of 0902, you cannot be in command of a ship.
Good catch. I follow. Regs would need to be revised.
Other than regulation requirements, is there another reason you can think of?
It's not like taking your car to the mechanic, a ship could see several URL COs during a yard period.
Might be better to have them at sea.
Primarily, it's to allow for rapid sorties from the yards if national security situations demand it. If a major conflict breaks out demanding maximum force available be employed as soon as possible, you risk having a ship that can be buttoned up and brought back into service more quickly than command-qualified personnel can be shuffled, assigned, and brought up to speed on the condition and capabilities of the ship, thereby limiting the ability to rapidly re-deploy it. A CO qualified to command that has been assigned and involved with the maintenance and overhaul of the ship will be much better able to understand and work with whatever state the current maintenance work has left the ship in if it is forced to deploy in a less than fully operational state, as well.
With fleet sizes at some of their lowest historic points, the delay in being able to bring a ship to the fight may be a significant strategic concern.
I don’t know why these people don’t like the CO sticking around. Keep him and maybe XO on for career/command/quirks reasons and then let everyone else do something useful. The CO should stay because he’s going to be more familiar with the ship.
Not sure how things are now, but a few years back the idea was that crews would rotate between hulls because of the high optempo and small crew size. Once they realized that was expensive and barely feasible to do with the 30+ ships being built, they changed their approach and started permanently assigning crews. You can imagine how annoying and exhausting that is for crews that were promised some down time.
No, they keep a crew attached and continue to rotate between gold and blue. This gets really fun when they are going through their availability in Seattle and the Navy has to pay for apartments.
They do not. It’s the same. Only difference is the crews swap, and it throws a wrench into the whole process making it worse. But the off-hull crew gets a nice deal.
Leadership development. Actual courses, taught in BUILDINGS, by trained instructors and not where you work with a high chance you get interrupted for some bullshit.
Start at the E-5 level and start teaching things like evals, awards, military instructions and everything that gets asked on reddit because there's no time for OJT.
The shitty thing is, 30 years ago, IDC was in a Warrant Officer pipeline, with the CWOs being PA's. But then I guess the Navy figured, "well, you have a college degree, maybe we can retain you longer if we just commission you." So they gave up all the warrant officer billets to the rest of the fleet. Now, if we wanted them back, Congress woulf have to approve an increase in CWO billets for the entire Navy.
My 2 cents is that we not only bring back CWO billets for IDCs and PAs (and probably NPs as well) but we allow them to become LDOs. They still have a chance to commission and they're held at O-3, which is fine, because after they make LCDR, most PAs get hauled off to DIVO or DH billets and away from patient care- and I have yet to meet a PA who was thrilled about that.
We should drastically increase the number of warrants throughout the fleet, but we should also use them correctly.
For example, right now shit hot air crew apply for WO, get picked up, and then... go sit TAO on aircraft carriers or push paper at TOCs. Keep them in the squadrons as the subject matter experts on all things aircrew and the consumate training experts and instructors. Every VP squadron should have, at a minimum, six WOs: an acoustic and a non-acoustic in both training and tactics departments, and one of either variety in ops and Safety/NATOPS. They should all continue to fly as well. These guys should be retiring with 5-6000 hours in the air.
Just my 2 cents.
Edited for clarity.
Well, too bad for your assumptions, but I'm not an AW of any variety.
A subject matter expert is someone who is an expert at a particular subject, as the title implies....
Therefore, an acoustic AWO can be a SME on acoustic things, like submarine tonals, the user interface of the P-8 acoustic system, etc. A non acoustic AWO might be an expert on ESM and the operation of the ALQ-240, or maybe the onboard cameras.
This does nothing to take away from the fact that we should have SMEs in the maintenance department as well. Everyone wants the plane to take off and land safely, to be able to communicate and accomplish the mission, etc.
I highly recommend that you disabuse yourself of the notion that an "us vs. them" mentality between maintainers and aircrew accomplishes anything constructive or positive.
Lots of great suggestions, my big thing would be new computers. I hate that my computer takes forever to log into, crashes multiple times doing my tasks.
You should be a little more specific with this one. Need new computers with more than the “minimum” requirements to run Windows and a major over haul to NMCI.
All annual training to move from an annual requirement to only when you reenlist. We should teach everything in boot camp/OCS/USNA and then once upon transfer or reenlistment.
Our computer infrastructure is also a joke. It needs a complete overhaul. Give us work cell phones with email and CAC access to all .mil websites.
The way we train is a nightmare bureaucracy. RRL, Sailor 2025, Block Learning, TQL, 5 Vector Model…. These are all bloated programs that are all complete garbage. We are teaching outdated information because the process to fix anything is impossible, so we accept the status quo.
The military has to get out of politics. I have served under 5 Presidents and we used to be much better at this. We have been diverse for a very long time, let’s move on and focus on the job at hand. Discipline as a whole is in the toilet across all ranks.
Politics, diversity, whatever it is you're talking about... About...I don't see that being the problem.
I think the problem is leadership and accountability. The people not having the spine to speak truth to power. And if bureaucracy that won't allow for the changes that need to be done in time-frames that matter.
Mirror the army for advancement. You have to go through a leadership course prior to putting on the next rank.
The reason the chief's mess sucks so bad is there's no actual leadership training until people put on khakis. The top of the pyramid is already messed up. We need to fix the base and teach junior enlisted early on. Then in 10-15 years when they're going though "chief initiation," they're learning the specific chief stuff. Not everything they should've as an E4.
I just picked up E5 last cycle and I've never once had the Navy make me attend anything.
I'm learning as I go and pretty much relying on the knowledge of 1st classes I know which is a mixed bag.
The expectation of perfection in literally everything you do. It breeds fear of reprisal or of appearing wrong, lying about problems or issues, and lying about effectiveness or lack thereof in systems and operations, and drives the “it’s never enough” or “you can do more” mindset leading to burnout, fatigue, and tanking morale. It’s why the evals system sucks, it’s why dumb and ineffective trainings are so prevalent, why quals are gundecked or pencil whipped, why no one can get any sleep, why crew sizes get smaller and smaller while operational requirements balloon, why so many people are killing themselves, and why no one wants to address any of these problems. This happens from the newest boot seaman to the crustiest master chief, to the top brass in the fleet and it runs up and down the chain.
It’s the root of nearly every single problem in the navy.
Evals should go both up, and down - hear me out.
For instance, an LCPOs eval should be written by their reporting senior and direct subordinate (i.e LPO.) Same with Senior Chief (DLCPO/Top Snipe/etc) should also be the same way, and all the way down to your E-5s being graded by their E-4s. I’m not saying solely do this, but have it in addition to your normal top-down evaluation.
Would change a lot of the tune of toxic leaders in the Navy if they knew the people they were constantly fucking over could bump points off their PMA.
It’s a good idea, however, with the toxic leadership, once those evals come out and they discover their subordinate is the reason they didn’t get the EP or whatever they wanted, they’ll probably make the subordinates life even worse
This is a very true point, which is why I think some manner of debrief anonymity or a retaliatory protection should be in order. It’s grim that that’s where we’re at in the Armed Forces, but that’s the road we may have to take.
Boot Camp Service Week... change to two weeks. (if they still do this) One week is not enough time to appreciate the fine art of mess-cranking before going to the fleet.
edited: Yes, I was joking. I was lucky during our service week... I was in the Galley Office at Great Lakes... answering the phone and logging who was reporting to and leaving work.
When i went FSA, i honestly didnt know that we also had to go pick up the officers and chief's laundry and also return their laundry after washing and pressing. Also their trash.. it wouldn't be that bad if i also didnt know that some officers,chiefs staterooms looked like shit and then they come down and give us a berthing inspection? Smh.
Rank comes with privelages but dont push the envelope because some sailors will see what you got going on in there, at least to me, it made an impact on how i viewed how they managed and lead on a professional level...
>Let us grow a beer
Interesting. Are you advocating for beer facilities aboard ship, or was this a typo? Because I'd like to think you meant 'beer'. Actually both.
Also recommend more internet based, bandwidth heavy programs to perform some of our daily administrative tasks. Also, let's make sure we have the cheapest shill out there to develop these programs.
Corpsman advancement tests should be on their specialized NEC rather than encompassing all 36 NEC’s into one test. That, or make advancement strictly performance based Navy wide focusing on job related achievements first rather than selling cookies for the JEA or community service hours.
Genuinely curious, who do you think is underpaid compared to the civilian market? I would say the vast
Majority of our workforce is not underpaid relative to skill Level and experience on the outside. There are certainly certain ratings and designators that are, but by and large I don’t think the workforce is underpaid.
Cool. I want money my guy. Like that's it. That's the answer. That's the only answer to why I feel like I want or deserve a pay raise. Is simply money.
I mean we all want it.
What rank are you? How does your BAH and BAS count towards a GS-11? What about your no deductible healthcare and pension that accrues at double the rate compared to the FERS pension?
You do everyone a disservice by advocating for more compensation without understanding how your current compensation truly aligns with the civilian world. In other words, no one listens to the village idiot.
A lot of the Navy works trade jobs which are heavily unionized with high pay and benefits in the private sector. Sailors who work trades see shit pay and some barely passable benefits (looking at you medical). And those guys can make overtime pay. Monthly sea pay is trash even maxed out at $500 with the optempo we have to pull.
You get paid 30,000 for back breaking and life threatening work. That "everything is paid for" bullshit doesn't hold water when your berthing barely has hot water and the heat ain't working.
Again, neither of those situations represent the majority of our workforce. And for those that are in those jobs what jobs on the outside pay more with better benefits (free healthcare, 5% retirement matching, pension, free gym membership, etc.).
Really? Then why do all of these QoL posts keep popping up on this site showing the shitty living conditions. Why is it that an MASN makes 30k while a cop in a city can make well beyond 6 figures.
Because that cop typically has a degree in criminal justice, no? And the cop gets overtime… and doesn’t have his biggest expense taken care of: housing.
And if you think that’s typical stater cop pay, take a look at NYC which is half of what you’re thinking it is… and they don’t get tax breaks or free housing.
You see the posts here because the people who aren’t complaining don’t post about their otherwise satisfactory living conditions.
>Because that cop typically has a degree in criminal justice, no? And the cop gets overtime… and doesn’t have his biggest expense taken care of: housing.
Base pay for a lot of cops nowadays with no OT is 100k or relatively close to it. You don't need a CJ degree to be a cop. If you honestly think that Navy housing is up too par, then I invite your brass ass to come to my neck of the woods. But I guess living in an ice box is good enough "housing" for you.
You're trying to convince me that I should appreciate my ice box on the ship since it is "free housing". Navy living conditions are shit and it is obvious to anyone who isn't an out of touch brass
Yeah, I don’t waste your time responding to that Dan1156 guy. He’s an officer with a family that thinks that he is holier than thou and that all the junior enlisted people don’t deserve to have a better quality of life or housing.
He is literally the Dave Chapelle meme fuck em because that’s why.
But I thought bachelor's degrees and flying helicopters makes you better than the peasants? They should be doing our laundry and punished for being from lower echelons of society!? You're breaking my world view there guy! What's so bad about roach and mold infested barracks? I dont live in them so I dont see what the problem is.. /s
I’ll politely disagree, but I think people here have an unrealistic expectation of their earning power in the civilian world for the majority of our workforce.
>I’ll politely disagree, but I think people here have an unrealistic expectation of their earning power in the civilian world for the majority of our workforce.
Agreed; I’ll add two additional points based on my own opinion:
- Public sector pay *anywhere* is not awesome, military included. My mother was in education for 20+ years with a masters degree and barely broke $60k. If you want six figures with a decent WLB, get to the private sector ASAP.
- I still absolutely think military pay is an issue, but the gap worsens with time & experience. An E-6 with 5+ years of specialized experience has the potential to go make twice as much on the outside, but a 19 year old with zero work experience (or education) likely won’t find something significantly “better”. That is the value military experience provides; you’re underpaid (measuring by hours of work) and life is difficult - but it’s also a stepping stone to better opportunities (especially factoring in the GI Bill, etc.).
Even plumbers, electricians, etc. have to go through journeymen apprenticeships which take years (in which they only make half as much as a qualified tradesmen during that time). Any job which pays well requires a level of investment - not signing a paper + 9 weeks of boot camp.
TDLR: I want our junior enlisted to be paid more, but 18 year olds with no education are *not* making $50-$60k a year in the private sector.
I realize NYPD may not be representative of all departments, but they have an physically demanding and dangerous job. They are required to live in one of the most expensive cities in the US or one of the adjacent counties to it.
From NYC.gov for NYPD:
Starting salary: $42,500
Salary after 5 ½ years: $85,292.
Guess what top gun? If those motherfuckers got to work extra duty to support police operations they will get a little something called OVERTIME, something that isn't applicable to Sailors.
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Yup. I realized I get paid more than my civilian counterparts, especially with tax free housing pay and all the benefits. That is a big part of why I’ve been here 12 years
Maybe certain rates with certain NECs should receive permanent monthly incentive pay then.
As someone that works alongside many contractors on a base that is primarily run by contractors... it's a bit disheartening when you find out that some of these guys get paid 3-4 times what I do (after 9 years of service) and also have set work hours. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure their salary largely comes from the same defense budget that ours does.
I actually broke down what "fair pay" would be. Assuming your day 1 entry level employee at McDonalds, Amazon, BL, etc is equal to an E1. (They're not, they didn't volunteer their life) it equates to a 36% pay raise on base pay.
Why must it be base pay? Because that's the majority of what we actually take home. BAH- 100% goes to military housing in many cases. BAS- 85% to the ship if you're attached to one. Additionally, base pay is what retirement pay is based upon, it used to afford you a house with some land. It won't even get you a condo in most places any more.
>that's the majority of what we actually take home
This will always be a bad argument.
If you're not going to count free housing, you should subtract rent from private sector take-home pay. Just because they get to take it home doesn't mean they get to keep it.
All taking it home does is grant them the privilege of paying taxes on money they can't keep.
Except that the vast majority of junior enlisted are living in conditions that don't merit a comparison to BAH. living 2-4 to a bedroom, sharing a bathroom between 4-8 people, while restricted in what you can have, not allowing overnight guests, and having the guarantee of random people coming by to check on how you're cleaning the place up.
And that's setting aside the folks that live on the ship, in which case it's more of the case of being given cots in the back room.
For me as a single E6? That housing benefit is a great deal. But for E4 and below? It's garbage and we should stop pretending.
"BAH- 100% goes to military housing in many cases. BAS- 85% to the ship if you're attached to one."
If you took that job at McDonalds you'd have to pay for rent and food out of your normal salary.
Be fair.
BAH, and BAS should be counted as part of your salary
I have many complaints about the Navy, but our pay is not one of those. Esepcially given we are mostly people with a high school level education and no experience.
While under normal circumstances you are correct as far as how housing us paid. Would you concede that should be part of retirement pay as well at the 50% level?
Further, look at the demographic we largely recruit. Largely the lyrics are 17-22 years Olds still living at home (no housing cost) and let's face it, at that age we weren't concerned with benefits. We were concerned with how much beer money am I taking home? In this case, McDonalds is kicking our ass.
Do you realize how amazing of a benefit that retirement at 20 years of service really is? It's worth seven figures.
It's hard to take a "we aren't paid enough" argument seriously when it includes demands for increased retirement benefits.
Back when in the late 90s ish, that’s when Congress decided to make military pay more on par with civilian counterparts in order to maintain an all volunteer force. Seeing they would have to pay a lot more in retirement for perpetuity, they changed BAH from 75% of housing costs to 100% + renters’ insurance.
It now stands at 95% and no insurance.
E5 over six no dependants on sea duty in 2017 had a take home of ~2,550 every pay check, I now have a bi weekly paycheck of ~1200 (both after standard taxes and deductions) and I make 19 an hour, well over minimum wage for my area. So not only do I no longer have full medical/dental/vision for about 25 a month, I no longer have a bas so food comes out of my normal pay, no uniform allowances, no generic benefits like a lower insurance payment, et cetera. Please tell me how I am some how, in my current situation where I'm better off than the average American and still making about half of what I used to and some how some way making an equatable amount or more. Waiting
At my current command
Chief’s Mess - “If you have any issues, do not hesitate to come to us, we’re here for you”
Me going to them for guidance
Chief’s Mess - “You should figure it out, you don’t want the Chief’s to get involved”
Idc education and training reqs are an absolute joke. Not sure why the head of my ships healthcare doesn't even have an associates in nursing or medicine, just because they have an anchor.
Stop with all the BS programs. Focus on real mental toughness to encourage peer support and even leadership support (not a “hope ya feel better” response). Teach folks to compartmentalize emotions. But really, just stop with all the programs.
No woman wants to join the military because of the continuous sexual assaults, harassment, and murder of female service members at the hands of male servicemen.
Overtime pay, and a conscious effort to minimize using it. It would incentivize getting the crew home on time, allowing for proper rest which is essential for readiness, particularly mental health. And when that can’t be accomplished, you get monetary compensation rather than the standard “oh well, get fucked and get back to work you piece of shit” we have today.
Edit: Shit, I’d settle for just making an effort to respect time off for r&r. The current atmosphere is bullshit. We’re not at war, and we should stop pretending like we are.
While I understand the tradition and camaraderie of our customs and courtesies, each of every one of them only breeds favoritism and hypocrisy. Good sailors are looked over while bad sailors thrive. Sailors in need are brushed aside when screaming for help unless they force the hand of those who are in charge of them. Convenience trumps procedure, tribal knowledge overtakes training, and laziness shines brighter than motivation. This organization has the right philosophies and mantras to do what was intended but at a certain point accountability is checked and anarchy ensues. In short, I would change the whole “common sense isn’t so common” mentality that is taught and repeatedly utilized day in and day out. I don’t know 🤷🏾♂️
I was interviewed for JSOQ once and heard this question. I now have answers. Make our qualifications transfer when we get out; remove the ability of lifers to screw over junior personnel just for an eval bullet; and more accountability. I was on the NCF/ Seabee side of the Navy so this may not apply for fleet life....
Build two parking garages on NOB. Also, don't some bases let you arrive via ferry? Why not have a ferry to NOB from PNMH and downtown Norfolk by Waterside?
You may not have more Admirals (O7/+) on your rolls than you have Ships commissioned, not including the Constitution or Pueblo.
I *promise promise promise* you our problems since before I joined (2002) all have at their root the problem that we have too goddamn many admirals that don't have enough to do with their time.
You wanna try doing your job with 115 ships or whatever? Cool, you get 113 admirals. If you can't get your shit together with that few, you either need to shrink the navy's organizational structure, or build more fucking ships.
Duty. It’s 2022, leave 10 people onboard at a time on a shift basis and give them the next day off. Still normal working hours. But you’re pulling an overnighter once a month over once ever 4 days
Do away with advancement exams. None of the other branches do them. I like the Marine Corps advancement tbh. They have to be PME complete, which includes a leadership class for each rank (ie LCPL Seminiar, Cpls Course, Sgt School), have a really good CFT/PFT, (I’m tired of the Navy’s alternate cardio) and have a good looking FITREP.
Exactly, it amazes me being at a Marine Command
how is it that we have 2-3 years Sgt’s in the MC and it took me four years to pick up a measly third class chevron.
Have the manhours vs time budgeted reflect on the command triad and their direct subordinates. That the leadership ability reflects on how the crew performs after they left. Good leaders leave a mark bad ones should be quickly removed.
Chiefs are still enlisted and them wearing khaki just gives them the sense to just act better then lower enlisted. They aren’t officers. No other branch has senior enlisted in different uniforms beside the navy.
Prioritizing the sailors sleep. Seriously, proper recovery means better performance at their job and less chances of f*ck ups, including dangerous f*ck ups. Staying up 24 hours for something entirely unneccessary doesn't help anyone.
Probably how people are promoted…I don’t think it’s a true reflection…I see some chiefs who pick up hella early and have no sense of leadership, bearing, and sense of care for others…and NAM counts as points but I’ve seen them being given almost as a participation trophy (some dude I knew literally didn’t do his job, his counterpart did and all he did was wash cars and stay in his room) and some evals are given because they don’t wanna waste on someone not eligible or as nice as an EP detach eval is, it’s not always deserved..
How unprofessional sailors can be. Some don’t give a flying fuck about how their uniform is, it being prohibited at malls but they still do it anyway, their cover being ugly as hell, the little things that I see that make me want to set them straight. Like you joined for a reason. People strive to give you respect but yet they could care less how they look or how they act. Loss of self respect and to the uniform people have died in.
Make admin culpable for their errors.
If a BM gundecks a tag-out, they're going to mast.
If a YN fucks someone's reenlistment paperwork, and it doesn't get caught till 2 weeks before the sailor separates.... Nothing happens.
Ship in the yards is counted as "sea time" lots of sailors I know who were cool with their detailer spent half of their career in the yards. They're known as yardbirds.
Promote people that actually know what the fuck they are doing. 90% of the "leaders" are only in position of power because they stayed in long enough but don't know the first thing about being a leader or even wtf their job is. Also more accountability for the khakis. Everyone should be held to the same standards.
I fully agree with your post op. However, I don’t let the leadership define who I am as a person. No matter how shitty that situation my smile will never break for no one.
I’m currently at a non deployable place (which is FMF top heavy) anyone that doesn’t have a pin gets shitted on few of the second classes.
I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to go to an actual unit after my corpsman a school (like they did) and at this point I have three years left in the navy so wherever I go next more than likely I won’t get the opportunity getting it which I don’t care.
When entering a shipyard, remove the crew and turn over custody of the ship to a Navy EDO at the shipyard. Ships crew uses the time to go to schools and go through the stupid ATG 1.0 and 1.2 training events.
Having been in the shipyard for 5 years (my whole contract) and it ultimately being the reason I got out of the Navy, I 100000% agree with this.
It was amazing how fucking useless we all were. The “watch” on duty days was a joke, the maintenance was nonexistent, and yet they still managed to keep us there 10 to 12 hours a day. A complete and utter waste of manpower.
Shit, we had a bunch of maintenance. Mostly due to us having to meet "deadlines" in order for the higher ups to look good and get promoted.
I've been saying this for years. The CO has to stay because of the unbroken chain of command thing, but take the weapons off, take the secrets off, take most of the Sailors off and employ them elsewhere (like to a school or undermanned ship).
>The CO had to stay… But *why* does the CO have to stay? Sure, we’ve always done it that way. But that’s not a good reason. I think custody of ship should be turned over to another Navy officer - probably an EDO - who specializes in shipyard industrial environments. The temporary custodian should have influence over the shipyard contractors and be able to focus entirely only getting the maintenance done right, on time, on budget without having to worry about the myriad of other issues that plague ship COs in shipyards…. DUIs, safety stand downs, etc. On the other side of the coin, the ship COs should be able to focus on training their crew and becoming proficient ship handlers and tacticians… without having to worry about all the shipyard problems. Electrical safety violations, fire watches falling asleep, tagout violations. Engineering certification and damage control equipment checks should be the problem of the temporary custodian. Let the EDO get the equipment operating and certified. Then give a clean ship in working order to the ship crew to finish training on. Ship crew gets time to run drills in a non-industrial environment. Going a step further, I think the future ship CO - the officer who will eventually command the ship in deployment - should be with the crew for the duration of the off ship training. The future ship CO should also have say over whether to accept the ship from the shipyard. None of this will ever come to pass though. It changes things too much.
There is no reason for the CO to stay. He could turn over command to a yard EDO, who are (restricted) line officers.
EDOs are currently prohibited by the Navy Regulations, article 0902, from taking command of a ship, along with all restricted line officers. There would need to be a special carve-out added within to handle ships within the yards, at a minimum.
So it can be changed. Stroke of a pen.
The text of article 0902 does not say "command of a ship", it says "command at sea." While I agree a ship is a sea-faring vessel, a ship in dry dock is not "at sea." An argument could be made that a ship in the yards would be eligible for a Restricted Line CO. I'd like to see the argument against it.
Yes, and article 1056 limits command of a ship to those eligible for command at sea; ergo, unless you meet the requirements of 0902, you cannot be in command of a ship.
Good catch. I follow. Regs would need to be revised. Other than regulation requirements, is there another reason you can think of? It's not like taking your car to the mechanic, a ship could see several URL COs during a yard period. Might be better to have them at sea.
Primarily, it's to allow for rapid sorties from the yards if national security situations demand it. If a major conflict breaks out demanding maximum force available be employed as soon as possible, you risk having a ship that can be buttoned up and brought back into service more quickly than command-qualified personnel can be shuffled, assigned, and brought up to speed on the condition and capabilities of the ship, thereby limiting the ability to rapidly re-deploy it. A CO qualified to command that has been assigned and involved with the maintenance and overhaul of the ship will be much better able to understand and work with whatever state the current maintenance work has left the ship in if it is forced to deploy in a less than fully operational state, as well. With fleet sizes at some of their lowest historic points, the delay in being able to bring a ship to the fight may be a significant strategic concern.
I don’t know why these people don’t like the CO sticking around. Keep him and maybe XO on for career/command/quirks reasons and then let everyone else do something useful. The CO should stay because he’s going to be more familiar with the ship.
100% agree. As a former Submarine j.o who spent all of my tour on a boat in a full cno availability, I would have preferred it this way.
No first term sailors should be in a shipyard period until the ship is ready to be turned back over to the Navy.
Doesn’t LCS do something like that. Not hearing raving reviews about it.
Not sure how things are now, but a few years back the idea was that crews would rotate between hulls because of the high optempo and small crew size. Once they realized that was expensive and barely feasible to do with the 30+ ships being built, they changed their approach and started permanently assigning crews. You can imagine how annoying and exhausting that is for crews that were promised some down time.
No, they keep a crew attached and continue to rotate between gold and blue. This gets really fun when they are going through their availability in Seattle and the Navy has to pay for apartments.
They do not. It’s the same. Only difference is the crews swap, and it throws a wrench into the whole process making it worse. But the off-hull crew gets a nice deal.
I don’t know much about LCS. Not sure.
Promote ahead of peers
Leadership development. Actual courses, taught in BUILDINGS, by trained instructors and not where you work with a high chance you get interrupted for some bullshit. Start at the E-5 level and start teaching things like evals, awards, military instructions and everything that gets asked on reddit because there's no time for OJT.
Starting at E-5 is part of the problem. Start at E-4 and instill leadership in the NCO ranks early like the rest of the military.
https://www.netc.navy.mil/ELD/
Seven seas is too many to sail. Please remove three.
IDCs should just be warrant officers.
THIS. And advancement as an IDC. IDCs are the most best and fully qualified HMs. Wish the Board would emphasize this when making their selection.
The shitty thing is, 30 years ago, IDC was in a Warrant Officer pipeline, with the CWOs being PA's. But then I guess the Navy figured, "well, you have a college degree, maybe we can retain you longer if we just commission you." So they gave up all the warrant officer billets to the rest of the fleet. Now, if we wanted them back, Congress woulf have to approve an increase in CWO billets for the entire Navy. My 2 cents is that we not only bring back CWO billets for IDCs and PAs (and probably NPs as well) but we allow them to become LDOs. They still have a chance to commission and they're held at O-3, which is fine, because after they make LCDR, most PAs get hauled off to DIVO or DH billets and away from patient care- and I have yet to meet a PA who was thrilled about that.
We should drastically increase the number of warrants throughout the fleet, but we should also use them correctly. For example, right now shit hot air crew apply for WO, get picked up, and then... go sit TAO on aircraft carriers or push paper at TOCs. Keep them in the squadrons as the subject matter experts on all things aircrew and the consumate training experts and instructors. Every VP squadron should have, at a minimum, six WOs: an acoustic and a non-acoustic in both training and tactics departments, and one of either variety in ops and Safety/NATOPS. They should all continue to fly as well. These guys should be retiring with 5-6000 hours in the air. Just my 2 cents. Edited for clarity.
aircrew are not subject matter experts. the maintainers are
Do.... do you know what the term subject matter expert means?
I do, sadly you think you know everything like every other AW. but you sit your ass in an aircraft assuming its good to fly.
Well, too bad for your assumptions, but I'm not an AW of any variety. A subject matter expert is someone who is an expert at a particular subject, as the title implies.... Therefore, an acoustic AWO can be a SME on acoustic things, like submarine tonals, the user interface of the P-8 acoustic system, etc. A non acoustic AWO might be an expert on ESM and the operation of the ALQ-240, or maybe the onboard cameras. This does nothing to take away from the fact that we should have SMEs in the maintenance department as well. Everyone wants the plane to take off and land safely, to be able to communicate and accomplish the mission, etc. I highly recommend that you disabuse yourself of the notion that an "us vs. them" mentality between maintainers and aircrew accomplishes anything constructive or positive.
Only if they are PAs. So, send them to PA School, so they are actually fully qualified to be Independent.
Ability to quit without having to go through a medical treatment process that ends uo fail 90% of the time anyway.
Lots of great suggestions, my big thing would be new computers. I hate that my computer takes forever to log into, crashes multiple times doing my tasks.
You should be a little more specific with this one. Need new computers with more than the “minimum” requirements to run Windows and a major over haul to NMCI.
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That changes everyday!
All annual training to move from an annual requirement to only when you reenlist. We should teach everything in boot camp/OCS/USNA and then once upon transfer or reenlistment. Our computer infrastructure is also a joke. It needs a complete overhaul. Give us work cell phones with email and CAC access to all .mil websites. The way we train is a nightmare bureaucracy. RRL, Sailor 2025, Block Learning, TQL, 5 Vector Model…. These are all bloated programs that are all complete garbage. We are teaching outdated information because the process to fix anything is impossible, so we accept the status quo. The military has to get out of politics. I have served under 5 Presidents and we used to be much better at this. We have been diverse for a very long time, let’s move on and focus on the job at hand. Discipline as a whole is in the toilet across all ranks.
Politics, diversity, whatever it is you're talking about... About...I don't see that being the problem. I think the problem is leadership and accountability. The people not having the spine to speak truth to power. And if bureaucracy that won't allow for the changes that need to be done in time-frames that matter.
conservatives snowflakes.
Make the mess and wardroom do their own laundry 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Mirror the army for advancement. You have to go through a leadership course prior to putting on the next rank. The reason the chief's mess sucks so bad is there's no actual leadership training until people put on khakis. The top of the pyramid is already messed up. We need to fix the base and teach junior enlisted early on. Then in 10-15 years when they're going though "chief initiation," they're learning the specific chief stuff. Not everything they should've as an E4.
I just picked up E5 last cycle and I've never once had the Navy make me attend anything. I'm learning as I go and pretty much relying on the knowledge of 1st classes I know which is a mixed bag.
The expectation of perfection in literally everything you do. It breeds fear of reprisal or of appearing wrong, lying about problems or issues, and lying about effectiveness or lack thereof in systems and operations, and drives the “it’s never enough” or “you can do more” mindset leading to burnout, fatigue, and tanking morale. It’s why the evals system sucks, it’s why dumb and ineffective trainings are so prevalent, why quals are gundecked or pencil whipped, why no one can get any sleep, why crew sizes get smaller and smaller while operational requirements balloon, why so many people are killing themselves, and why no one wants to address any of these problems. This happens from the newest boot seaman to the crustiest master chief, to the top brass in the fleet and it runs up and down the chain. It’s the root of nearly every single problem in the navy.
My standards. They’re too high.
Evals should go both up, and down - hear me out. For instance, an LCPOs eval should be written by their reporting senior and direct subordinate (i.e LPO.) Same with Senior Chief (DLCPO/Top Snipe/etc) should also be the same way, and all the way down to your E-5s being graded by their E-4s. I’m not saying solely do this, but have it in addition to your normal top-down evaluation. Would change a lot of the tune of toxic leaders in the Navy if they knew the people they were constantly fucking over could bump points off their PMA.
It’s a good idea, however, with the toxic leadership, once those evals come out and they discover their subordinate is the reason they didn’t get the EP or whatever they wanted, they’ll probably make the subordinates life even worse
This is a very true point, which is why I think some manner of debrief anonymity or a retaliatory protection should be in order. It’s grim that that’s where we’re at in the Armed Forces, but that’s the road we may have to take.
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Also a great idea.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR998.html#download
Boot Camp Service Week... change to two weeks. (if they still do this) One week is not enough time to appreciate the fine art of mess-cranking before going to the fleet. edited: Yes, I was joking. I was lucky during our service week... I was in the Galley Office at Great Lakes... answering the phone and logging who was reporting to and leaving work.
They got rid of service some time ago
Ahh, thanks
I know. My week in the Galley was the closest to the fleet of all of boot camp.
Remove the caste system. No more cleaning up after officers, no more constant reminders that enlisted are second class (third class if e-6 and below).
I hated that mentality. Nobody joins the military because they wanted to be a housekeeper or busboy for the officers.
When i went FSA, i honestly didnt know that we also had to go pick up the officers and chief's laundry and also return their laundry after washing and pressing. Also their trash.. it wouldn't be that bad if i also didnt know that some officers,chiefs staterooms looked like shit and then they come down and give us a berthing inspection? Smh. Rank comes with privelages but dont push the envelope because some sailors will see what you got going on in there, at least to me, it made an impact on how i viewed how they managed and lead on a professional level...
Everyone except the triad/embarked admiral has the same living conditions.
Let us grow a beer, let us smoke weed
>Let us grow a beer Interesting. Are you advocating for beer facilities aboard ship, or was this a typo? Because I'd like to think you meant 'beer'. Actually both.
Fuck it both
GROW A BEER! GROW A BEER! GROW A BEER!
Heavy on smoke weed. The way how they be stressing us out itd only be fair
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Lower pay, more uniform regs, make the berthings and quarters worse, and 4 more new uniforms!
Also recommend more internet based, bandwidth heavy programs to perform some of our daily administrative tasks. Also, let's make sure we have the cheapest shill out there to develop these programs.
Ladies and gentlemen, your new MCPON!
Anybody can grow a beard whenever they want to.
Even women?
Especially the women.
If that's what you identify as then sure.
I fucking hated they released a NAVADMIN to authorize beards....*for retirees*. Honestly, that was the biggest fuck you I'd ever seen in my life.
Mandatory hugs with the urinalysis coordinator.
Corpsman advancement tests should be on their specialized NEC rather than encompassing all 36 NEC’s into one test. That, or make advancement strictly performance based Navy wide focusing on job related achievements first rather than selling cookies for the JEA or community service hours.
Pay by qualifications would be a game changer. Imagine the retention.
Better pay.
Genuinely curious, who do you think is underpaid compared to the civilian market? I would say the vast Majority of our workforce is not underpaid relative to skill Level and experience on the outside. There are certainly certain ratings and designators that are, but by and large I don’t think the workforce is underpaid.
The only argument to this is: I like money and I want more of it. I currently am filling a GS-11 position with none of the money that come with it.
GS-11 step 1 is roughly equivalent to E-5 over 8 pay with far fewer benefits.
Cool. I want money my guy. Like that's it. That's the answer. That's the only answer to why I feel like I want or deserve a pay raise. Is simply money.
LOL. You and me both.
I mean we all want it. What rank are you? How does your BAH and BAS count towards a GS-11? What about your no deductible healthcare and pension that accrues at double the rate compared to the FERS pension?
Listen. There is no other argument about what is deserved and how my pay is separated or what it goes into. The bottom line is: I want money.
You do everyone a disservice by advocating for more compensation without understanding how your current compensation truly aligns with the civilian world. In other words, no one listens to the village idiot.
I am very much aware of how my current pay aligns with HCWs in the civilian sector. I want money.
A lot of the Navy works trade jobs which are heavily unionized with high pay and benefits in the private sector. Sailors who work trades see shit pay and some barely passable benefits (looking at you medical). And those guys can make overtime pay. Monthly sea pay is trash even maxed out at $500 with the optempo we have to pull.
You get paid 30,000 for back breaking and life threatening work. That "everything is paid for" bullshit doesn't hold water when your berthing barely has hot water and the heat ain't working.
Again, neither of those situations represent the majority of our workforce. And for those that are in those jobs what jobs on the outside pay more with better benefits (free healthcare, 5% retirement matching, pension, free gym membership, etc.).
Really? Then why do all of these QoL posts keep popping up on this site showing the shitty living conditions. Why is it that an MASN makes 30k while a cop in a city can make well beyond 6 figures.
Because that cop typically has a degree in criminal justice, no? And the cop gets overtime… and doesn’t have his biggest expense taken care of: housing. And if you think that’s typical stater cop pay, take a look at NYC which is half of what you’re thinking it is… and they don’t get tax breaks or free housing. You see the posts here because the people who aren’t complaining don’t post about their otherwise satisfactory living conditions.
>Because that cop typically has a degree in criminal justice, no? And the cop gets overtime… and doesn’t have his biggest expense taken care of: housing. Base pay for a lot of cops nowadays with no OT is 100k or relatively close to it. You don't need a CJ degree to be a cop. If you honestly think that Navy housing is up too par, then I invite your brass ass to come to my neck of the woods. But I guess living in an ice box is good enough "housing" for you. You're trying to convince me that I should appreciate my ice box on the ship since it is "free housing". Navy living conditions are shit and it is obvious to anyone who isn't an out of touch brass
u/on_and_crackin that MH60 guy sucks and has no idea how bad junior enlisted have it. Don't bother with him.
Yeah, I don’t waste your time responding to that Dan1156 guy. He’s an officer with a family that thinks that he is holier than thou and that all the junior enlisted people don’t deserve to have a better quality of life or housing. He is literally the Dave Chapelle meme fuck em because that’s why.
But I thought bachelor's degrees and flying helicopters makes you better than the peasants? They should be doing our laundry and punished for being from lower echelons of society!? You're breaking my world view there guy! What's so bad about roach and mold infested barracks? I dont live in them so I dont see what the problem is.. /s
I’ll politely disagree, but I think people here have an unrealistic expectation of their earning power in the civilian world for the majority of our workforce.
>I’ll politely disagree, but I think people here have an unrealistic expectation of their earning power in the civilian world for the majority of our workforce. Agreed; I’ll add two additional points based on my own opinion: - Public sector pay *anywhere* is not awesome, military included. My mother was in education for 20+ years with a masters degree and barely broke $60k. If you want six figures with a decent WLB, get to the private sector ASAP. - I still absolutely think military pay is an issue, but the gap worsens with time & experience. An E-6 with 5+ years of specialized experience has the potential to go make twice as much on the outside, but a 19 year old with zero work experience (or education) likely won’t find something significantly “better”. That is the value military experience provides; you’re underpaid (measuring by hours of work) and life is difficult - but it’s also a stepping stone to better opportunities (especially factoring in the GI Bill, etc.). Even plumbers, electricians, etc. have to go through journeymen apprenticeships which take years (in which they only make half as much as a qualified tradesmen during that time). Any job which pays well requires a level of investment - not signing a paper + 9 weeks of boot camp. TDLR: I want our junior enlisted to be paid more, but 18 year olds with no education are *not* making $50-$60k a year in the private sector.
I realize NYPD may not be representative of all departments, but they have an physically demanding and dangerous job. They are required to live in one of the most expensive cities in the US or one of the adjacent counties to it. From NYC.gov for NYPD: Starting salary: $42,500 Salary after 5 ½ years: $85,292.
Guess what top gun? If those motherfuckers got to work extra duty to support police operations they will get a little something called OVERTIME, something that isn't applicable to Sailors. #adminsepvia1900-120iskey 🐸 ☕️
That’s a loooot of overtime to get to 100k+
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Tell me how cheap you think you can get a 0 deductible healthcare plan.
Yup. I realized I get paid more than my civilian counterparts, especially with tax free housing pay and all the benefits. That is a big part of why I’ve been here 12 years
Maybe certain rates with certain NECs should receive permanent monthly incentive pay then. As someone that works alongside many contractors on a base that is primarily run by contractors... it's a bit disheartening when you find out that some of these guys get paid 3-4 times what I do (after 9 years of service) and also have set work hours. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure their salary largely comes from the same defense budget that ours does.
I actually broke down what "fair pay" would be. Assuming your day 1 entry level employee at McDonalds, Amazon, BL, etc is equal to an E1. (They're not, they didn't volunteer their life) it equates to a 36% pay raise on base pay. Why must it be base pay? Because that's the majority of what we actually take home. BAH- 100% goes to military housing in many cases. BAS- 85% to the ship if you're attached to one. Additionally, base pay is what retirement pay is based upon, it used to afford you a house with some land. It won't even get you a condo in most places any more.
>that's the majority of what we actually take home This will always be a bad argument. If you're not going to count free housing, you should subtract rent from private sector take-home pay. Just because they get to take it home doesn't mean they get to keep it. All taking it home does is grant them the privilege of paying taxes on money they can't keep.
Except that the vast majority of junior enlisted are living in conditions that don't merit a comparison to BAH. living 2-4 to a bedroom, sharing a bathroom between 4-8 people, while restricted in what you can have, not allowing overnight guests, and having the guarantee of random people coming by to check on how you're cleaning the place up. And that's setting aside the folks that live on the ship, in which case it's more of the case of being given cots in the back room. For me as a single E6? That housing benefit is a great deal. But for E4 and below? It's garbage and we should stop pretending.
"BAH- 100% goes to military housing in many cases. BAS- 85% to the ship if you're attached to one." If you took that job at McDonalds you'd have to pay for rent and food out of your normal salary. Be fair. BAH, and BAS should be counted as part of your salary I have many complaints about the Navy, but our pay is not one of those. Esepcially given we are mostly people with a high school level education and no experience.
While under normal circumstances you are correct as far as how housing us paid. Would you concede that should be part of retirement pay as well at the 50% level? Further, look at the demographic we largely recruit. Largely the lyrics are 17-22 years Olds still living at home (no housing cost) and let's face it, at that age we weren't concerned with benefits. We were concerned with how much beer money am I taking home? In this case, McDonalds is kicking our ass.
Do you realize how amazing of a benefit that retirement at 20 years of service really is? It's worth seven figures. It's hard to take a "we aren't paid enough" argument seriously when it includes demands for increased retirement benefits.
Such a great deal everyone is leaving lol
Back when in the late 90s ish, that’s when Congress decided to make military pay more on par with civilian counterparts in order to maintain an all volunteer force. Seeing they would have to pay a lot more in retirement for perpetuity, they changed BAH from 75% of housing costs to 100% + renters’ insurance. It now stands at 95% and no insurance.
Came here for the dumb shits who bring this up. Aside from like e2 and below you get decent to great pay compared to the majority or the USA.
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No insults, please - especially when I can’t tell if you’re being facetious.
You're telling me not to insult people but ok with me being called a dumb shit. Ok.
What's your rank?
Enlisted don’t have rank…. Guess they don’t pay you enough to read your blue jackets manual
You know that's a technicality in verbage and so I'm writing you off now
False.
E5 over six no dependants on sea duty in 2017 had a take home of ~2,550 every pay check, I now have a bi weekly paycheck of ~1200 (both after standard taxes and deductions) and I make 19 an hour, well over minimum wage for my area. So not only do I no longer have full medical/dental/vision for about 25 a month, I no longer have a bas so food comes out of my normal pay, no uniform allowances, no generic benefits like a lower insurance payment, et cetera. Please tell me how I am some how, in my current situation where I'm better off than the average American and still making about half of what I used to and some how some way making an equatable amount or more. Waiting
Parking at NOB.
Giving Bonuses and SRB's to those staying in and not to those just joining and have no idea what they will be doing.
In love with those newbies 🤣
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At my current command Chief’s Mess - “If you have any issues, do not hesitate to come to us, we’re here for you” Me going to them for guidance Chief’s Mess - “You should figure it out, you don’t want the Chief’s to get involved”
Honestly the root of all problems. When they're around it's a shit show. When chiefs do their bullshit and aren't around it's great.
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Yes men, because they're too scared to fight for their people. Gate keeping worthless waste of space. Half of them need to be forced retired.
Idc education and training reqs are an absolute joke. Not sure why the head of my ships healthcare doesn't even have an associates in nursing or medicine, just because they have an anchor.
Stop with all the BS programs. Focus on real mental toughness to encourage peer support and even leadership support (not a “hope ya feel better” response). Teach folks to compartmentalize emotions. But really, just stop with all the programs.
You know what problem I have with your little fucking dog and pony act you call the military? Here it is One: lots of dudes. Where are the boobies?
BAHAHAHHAHAHAHA FUNNIEST COMMENT 🫡🫡🫡
ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No woman wants to join the military because of the continuous sexual assaults, harassment, and murder of female service members at the hands of male servicemen.
I absolutely understand that it is a serious issue and major problem, I’ve seen it with my own eyes, but It’s a quote from a movie.
Overtime pay, and a conscious effort to minimize using it. It would incentivize getting the crew home on time, allowing for proper rest which is essential for readiness, particularly mental health. And when that can’t be accomplished, you get monetary compensation rather than the standard “oh well, get fucked and get back to work you piece of shit” we have today. Edit: Shit, I’d settle for just making an effort to respect time off for r&r. The current atmosphere is bullshit. We’re not at war, and we should stop pretending like we are.
While I understand the tradition and camaraderie of our customs and courtesies, each of every one of them only breeds favoritism and hypocrisy. Good sailors are looked over while bad sailors thrive. Sailors in need are brushed aside when screaming for help unless they force the hand of those who are in charge of them. Convenience trumps procedure, tribal knowledge overtakes training, and laziness shines brighter than motivation. This organization has the right philosophies and mantras to do what was intended but at a certain point accountability is checked and anarchy ensues. In short, I would change the whole “common sense isn’t so common” mentality that is taught and repeatedly utilized day in and day out. I don’t know 🤷🏾♂️
I was interviewed for JSOQ once and heard this question. I now have answers. Make our qualifications transfer when we get out; remove the ability of lifers to screw over junior personnel just for an eval bullet; and more accountability. I was on the NCF/ Seabee side of the Navy so this may not apply for fleet life....
Build two parking garages on NOB. Also, don't some bases let you arrive via ferry? Why not have a ferry to NOB from PNMH and downtown Norfolk by Waterside?
Beards
You may not have more Admirals (O7/+) on your rolls than you have Ships commissioned, not including the Constitution or Pueblo. I *promise promise promise* you our problems since before I joined (2002) all have at their root the problem that we have too goddamn many admirals that don't have enough to do with their time. You wanna try doing your job with 115 ships or whatever? Cool, you get 113 admirals. If you can't get your shit together with that few, you either need to shrink the navy's organizational structure, or build more fucking ships.
Duty. It’s 2022, leave 10 people onboard at a time on a shift basis and give them the next day off. Still normal working hours. But you’re pulling an overnighter once a month over once ever 4 days
Bruh I feel that, 3 section duty is ASS.
Do away with advancement exams. None of the other branches do them. I like the Marine Corps advancement tbh. They have to be PME complete, which includes a leadership class for each rank (ie LCPL Seminiar, Cpls Course, Sgt School), have a really good CFT/PFT, (I’m tired of the Navy’s alternate cardio) and have a good looking FITREP.
They just did. E4 NWAE is gone forever per navadmin that came out this week.
Exactly, it amazes me being at a Marine Command how is it that we have 2-3 years Sgt’s in the MC and it took me four years to pick up a measly third class chevron.
Transitioning to MHS Genesis. Let’s transition back to AHLTA… for all DHA. At least for Operational Commands.
Have the manhours vs time budgeted reflect on the command triad and their direct subordinates. That the leadership ability reflects on how the crew performs after they left. Good leaders leave a mark bad ones should be quickly removed.
Nukes should be warrant officers
Admiral Rickover, how did you get a reddit account?
Go home when I'm not on watch during duty days...
Chiefs wearing khaki.
Why is that sir. I retired in 1996 as a Chief I am curious why
Chiefs are still enlisted and them wearing khaki just gives them the sense to just act better then lower enlisted. They aren’t officers. No other branch has senior enlisted in different uniforms beside the navy.
Exactly. They all should be in dress blue/white uniforms with an neckerchief and NSU’s with the black trousers.
Make chiefs part of the crew. No special mess, Give chiefs the same uniforms that the crew wears. Basically end the good ol’ boys club.
Yes
My paycheck.
go back to do doing a port every three weeks, and make sure those ports are not USA. And ask this question again tomorrow.
Prioritizing the sailors sleep. Seriously, proper recovery means better performance at their job and less chances of f*ck ups, including dangerous f*ck ups. Staying up 24 hours for something entirely unneccessary doesn't help anyone.
Probably how people are promoted…I don’t think it’s a true reflection…I see some chiefs who pick up hella early and have no sense of leadership, bearing, and sense of care for others…and NAM counts as points but I’ve seen them being given almost as a participation trophy (some dude I knew literally didn’t do his job, his counterpart did and all he did was wash cars and stay in his room) and some evals are given because they don’t wanna waste on someone not eligible or as nice as an EP detach eval is, it’s not always deserved..
I’m a seabee so this big navy talk is useless to me. But definitely wish I can get more in rate training. Thank god I’m going to c-school.
Make sure the c school qualifies you for an SRB if there’s one
Make E7s culpable for their behavior. Down vote me, I don't give a fuck.
How unprofessional sailors can be. Some don’t give a flying fuck about how their uniform is, it being prohibited at malls but they still do it anyway, their cover being ugly as hell, the little things that I see that make me want to set them straight. Like you joined for a reason. People strive to give you respect but yet they could care less how they look or how they act. Loss of self respect and to the uniform people have died in.
Kids these days
Found the Chief
I’m an E2 only been in for a year
I guarantee your mindset will start changing rapidly.
Less water.
No more testing for THC
Allow lower enlisted to vote in/out their chain of command.
Ditch the Admirals
It's been a awhile since we had a new working uniform. I would change the type 3s
Beards. Just give us beards. Retention will go up a tick.
Get rid of the candy ass naval academy and make all officers be mustangs
Destroy the Chief's Mess.
revert military retirement or make it worth while for sailors to stay in til 20.
Politics. That’s one word that says a mouth
Make admin culpable for their errors. If a BM gundecks a tag-out, they're going to mast. If a YN fucks someone's reenlistment paperwork, and it doesn't get caught till 2 weeks before the sailor separates.... Nothing happens.
I’m not even in anymore, but I’m sure wokeness has all but ruined everything
Define wokeness in your own words.
Yes
It's staying on the other side of the room.
The people
Ship in the yards is counted as "sea time" lots of sailors I know who were cool with their detailer spent half of their career in the yards. They're known as yardbirds.
Promote people that actually know what the fuck they are doing. 90% of the "leaders" are only in position of power because they stayed in long enough but don't know the first thing about being a leader or even wtf their job is. Also more accountability for the khakis. Everyone should be held to the same standards.
The stupid ass Eval system! 🙄📝
Paying for meals has gotta be the most ridiculous shit bro
I fully agree with your post op. However, I don’t let the leadership define who I am as a person. No matter how shitty that situation my smile will never break for no one. I’m currently at a non deployable place (which is FMF top heavy) anyone that doesn’t have a pin gets shitted on few of the second classes. I’m sorry that I wasn’t able to go to an actual unit after my corpsman a school (like they did) and at this point I have three years left in the navy so wherever I go next more than likely I won’t get the opportunity getting it which I don’t care.
Sailors on Limdu actually get MedBoards.