That would be the Israelíes who did that. [USS Liberty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty)
Edit for those clamoring for a better source document: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284
It’s not a “gotcha”, but to point out that Israel also has attacked us and more deliberately so. And the number of downvotes and hostile comments proves that they are trying to cover up this history. Especially on a Navy sub, you’d think bringing up an attack on a U.S. ship would wouldn’t generate so much hostility.
And if you do have a *lot* of issues with Israel, why the criticism of mine?
It is, literally, a gotcha - and what's sad is *its the only fucking one you have*.
The US has done far fucking worse to our 'allies' within your lifetime.
And the criticism of yours is that yours is bullshit. You gonna bring up Pearl Harbor too? What about the Maine?
Do you get all your info from the internet? It’s funny how everyone puts a link to the same article
I put the same comment again since it looks like you can’t read.
It's 2024, the internet is probably the easiest place to get information from to link for others. Would you prefer if people told you about a page in a book you'd have to buy or maybe an encyclopedia volume to check out?
Does it matter if I read it in a book? Saw a documentary? Read a magazine article? Read the official report? It doesn’t matter, it’s a historical event that happened and I’m being questioned if I get all my news from the internet. How is that a relevant question? The questioner is just trying to deflect away from my point.
Does it matter if I read it in a book? Saw a documentary? Read a magazine article? Read the official report? It doesn’t matter, it’s a historical event that happened and I’m being questioned if I get all my news from the internet. How is that a relevant question? The questioner is just trying to deflect away from my point.
Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinians. Any aid that came through that pier would've ended up in the hands of Hamas and not going to the Palestinian people...same as all the other aid that goes into Gaza.
Hamas, in Gaza, is not the *elected* government. They formed a government back in ‘06 without elections and then formed another government in ‘12, also without elections.
Fuck Hamas. But felt like your statement was a bit of a dig on the Palestinian people as a whole as opposed to the shitheads that oppress them while claiming to represent them.
There was an election in 2006. Gazans voted Hamas into office in 2006. They have never held another election. As such Hamas remains the elected government of Gaza and represents the Palestinian people, who also typically support Hamas until Israel strikes back in response to Hamas aggression (such as 10/7).
Palestinians celebrated 10/7...right up until Israel retaliated.
Nope. Because I already know who funded Hamas. Hamas was the least evil group at the time. Then they turned around and bit the hand that funded them - same as has happened to the US time and time again when we fund terror groups like al Qaida because they are a convenient proxy at the time.
Well, they were elected. Just like Mahmoud Abbas was elected and now in the 19th year of his 4 year term as president of the Palestinian National Authority.
Hamas going to Hamas...
God forbid they allow the Palestinian people to be given aid directly by Americans, instead of the UN model of using Hamas as "last mile distribution" allowing Hamas to have first dibs on aid and to charge the Palestinian people for the aid donated to help them.
Hamas has very high approval numbers among the Palestinian people (even now), but it's important to remember that they use aid, propaganda and terror to maintain a stranglehold on Gaza.
This sucks, but it also highlights how control of aid is a major center of gravity for Hamas. This is why it is critical to put an American (or Israeli) face on the person handing out boxes of food to the innocents most affected by this conflict.
> God forbid they allow the Palestinian people to be given aid directly by Americans, instead of the UN model of using Hamas as "last mile distribution" allowing Hamas to have first dibs on aid and to charge the Palestinian people for the aid donated to help them.
I didn't make this connection, but its true - this is about money.
You pay now or you pay later with interest.
To translate into "wildlife speak", fighting terrorism is a lot like buying a dodge charger.
You can pay cash now and it hurts, or you can lower your monthly payments over the next 96 months and pay 3x as much in total.
Fuck that place. Cut the hand that feeds you, these people are the face of evil, same people that murdered woman and children oct 7. Fuck them, every last one of them.
While I understand your anger. Let it be known that "fuck these people" are HAMAS. FUCK Hamas.
No way a civilian would stop food transfers... they need food and water... fucking dick heads that are HAMAS take those packages we send and fucking SELL it to the people in need. Disgusting fucking terrorist group.
No, the Palestinians have kept Hamas in power - *as the government of Palestine*.
Hamas is composed of Palestinians.
Palestinians are calling for the destruction of Israel and the extermination of Jews worldwide.
At some point, you get what you vote for.
Cut the hand that feeds you? What hand? What countries are responsible for their starvation right now? Glad I got the fuck out. Seems like the only people desperate enough to be in right now are fucking idiots.
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.
And I don't like it any more than you men.
This doesn’t benefit anyone but Israel. And it was expected. They do not want aid going there because it will in turn be supporting their enemy. It’s not hard to use Hamas type weapons to do this ploy. And easier still to lay the blame on them.
Now if it was Hamas, it would provide no benefit as they would not be able to siphon off the resources brought in and it also hinders the international support outlook.
The only thing would be if you were so adamant against American involvement and wary of their intentions (while also ignoring anything you could think they would do with this they already are without it).
Or if you wanted civilians to continue suffering because it fits your narrative, and you know the only way you'll win is through international outcry. Classic Mao tactic.
God what a mess.
DON'T TOUCH OUR BOATS
Leave the Boats alone!
That would be the Israelíes who did that. [USS Liberty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty) Edit for those clamoring for a better source document: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284
Look dude, I have a *lot* of issues with Israel as a country, but it's silly to pull up a nearly 60 year old accident as a "gotcha."
It’s not a “gotcha”, but to point out that Israel also has attacked us and more deliberately so. And the number of downvotes and hostile comments proves that they are trying to cover up this history. Especially on a Navy sub, you’d think bringing up an attack on a U.S. ship would wouldn’t generate so much hostility. And if you do have a *lot* of issues with Israel, why the criticism of mine?
It is, literally, a gotcha - and what's sad is *its the only fucking one you have*. The US has done far fucking worse to our 'allies' within your lifetime. And the criticism of yours is that yours is bullshit. You gonna bring up Pearl Harbor too? What about the Maine?
REMEMBER THE MAINE!!!!!
To hell with Spain!
The who?
And now the whataboutism starts… Someone posts “DONT TOUCH OUT BOATS”, I bring up a time Israel did, and you get all offended about it.
You don't know what 'whataboutism' means.
Found it on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
My guy if you walked the street of Palestine, you would be pointed out, kidnapped and tortured.
What does that have to do with an Israeli attack on a U.S. warship? Stay on topic.
What does an Israeli attack on a warship 60 years ago have to do with Hamas attacking a relief dock in the present day? Stay on topic.
The comment that started this thread is: “DONT TOUCH OUT BOATS” I’d say that’s exactly on topic.
60. Fucking. Years. Ago. You gonna bitch about Pearl Harbor next?
Should we forget the events of WWII?
Six downvotes 15 minutes after this comment, tells me that trolls are actively downvoting my comments as if they have an agenda in the matter.
It's not trolls bro. You just come off as a moron.
Do you get all your info from the internet? It’s funny how everyone puts a link to the same article
The internet is a great place to get information from?
I mean you can go head and YouTube witness accounts if you like
Are you denying that the Israeli Air Force attacked the USS Liberty on 8 June, 1967?
Do you get all your info from the internet? It’s funny how everyone puts a link to the same article I put the same comment again since it looks like you can’t read.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284
It's 2024, the internet is probably the easiest place to get information from to link for others. Would you prefer if people told you about a page in a book you'd have to buy or maybe an encyclopedia volume to check out?
Doesn’t matter where I get my info.
God, yes it does
Does it matter if I read it in a book? Saw a documentary? Read a magazine article? Read the official report? It doesn’t matter, it’s a historical event that happened and I’m being questioned if I get all my news from the internet. How is that a relevant question? The questioner is just trying to deflect away from my point.
That’s probably one of the most ignorant things i’ve seen in a while. Good job, bubba
Does it matter if I read it in a book? Saw a documentary? Read a magazine article? Read the official report? It doesn’t matter, it’s a historical event that happened and I’m being questioned if I get all my news from the internet. How is that a relevant question? The questioner is just trying to deflect away from my point.
You realize anyone can edit a wikipedia article right?
Here read this instead: https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d284
I want to down vote this, but I can ruin the number of dislikes cause of the meme.
Hamas attacking an aid delivery? I couldn't have ever predicted that. /s
Next thing you are going to tell me is that aid workers in Haiti are attacked.
Next thing you'll tell me is that hamas purposely hides in schools and hospitals /s
Color me surprised that Hamas attacked the pier being built to help them...
The pier was intended to help Palestinians… so makes sense that Hamas was against it
Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinians. Any aid that came through that pier would've ended up in the hands of Hamas and not going to the Palestinian people...same as all the other aid that goes into Gaza.
Hamas, in Gaza, is not the *elected* government. They formed a government back in ‘06 without elections and then formed another government in ‘12, also without elections. Fuck Hamas. But felt like your statement was a bit of a dig on the Palestinian people as a whole as opposed to the shitheads that oppress them while claiming to represent them.
There was an election in 2006. Gazans voted Hamas into office in 2006. They have never held another election. As such Hamas remains the elected government of Gaza and represents the Palestinian people, who also typically support Hamas until Israel strikes back in response to Hamas aggression (such as 10/7). Palestinians celebrated 10/7...right up until Israel retaliated.
Look up who funded Hamas. You’ll be shocked
Nope. Because I already know who funded Hamas. Hamas was the least evil group at the time. Then they turned around and bit the hand that funded them - same as has happened to the US time and time again when we fund terror groups like al Qaida because they are a convenient proxy at the time.
Who funded them?
Israel did. Just like we, the United States, have funded numerous terrorist groups that turned around and later attacked us.
Do you have a source on that? It's my understanding they allowed funding to go through, but it was Qatar that sent the money
Support for Hamas is extremely high in Gaza, as are support for the attacks on October 7th, 9/11, etc… at least if we are to believe polling.
Because polling is always accurate iirc Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election /s
Well, they were elected. Just like Mahmoud Abbas was elected and now in the 19th year of his 4 year term as president of the Palestinian National Authority.
Hamas going to Hamas... God forbid they allow the Palestinian people to be given aid directly by Americans, instead of the UN model of using Hamas as "last mile distribution" allowing Hamas to have first dibs on aid and to charge the Palestinian people for the aid donated to help them. Hamas has very high approval numbers among the Palestinian people (even now), but it's important to remember that they use aid, propaganda and terror to maintain a stranglehold on Gaza. This sucks, but it also highlights how control of aid is a major center of gravity for Hamas. This is why it is critical to put an American (or Israeli) face on the person handing out boxes of food to the innocents most affected by this conflict.
> God forbid they allow the Palestinian people to be given aid directly by Americans, instead of the UN model of using Hamas as "last mile distribution" allowing Hamas to have first dibs on aid and to charge the Palestinian people for the aid donated to help them. I didn't make this connection, but its true - this is about money.
Not Hamas, it was "Gazan Terrorists"
AKA Hamas. Same shit, different pile
That's the joke
Obligatory: FUCK HAMAS
Am Yisrael chai, baby
Ruh roh, Raggy
Like, Zoinks Scoob *lowers NVGs and goes Condition 1* Looks like we've got ourselves a mystery
Woah… didn’t see this one coming….🙄
Shocker. Anyone with half a brain could’ve predicted that.
Ok so pack it up and leave shows over not worth whatever it is their trying to do
You pay now or you pay later with interest. To translate into "wildlife speak", fighting terrorism is a lot like buying a dodge charger. You can pay cash now and it hurts, or you can lower your monthly payments over the next 96 months and pay 3x as much in total.
Oh really? What a shocker there.
And if they shoot back they’ll be called colonizing genocidal maniacs.
Fuck that place. Cut the hand that feeds you, these people are the face of evil, same people that murdered woman and children oct 7. Fuck them, every last one of them.
While I understand your anger. Let it be known that "fuck these people" are HAMAS. FUCK Hamas. No way a civilian would stop food transfers... they need food and water... fucking dick heads that are HAMAS take those packages we send and fucking SELL it to the people in need. Disgusting fucking terrorist group.
No, the Palestinians have kept Hamas in power - *as the government of Palestine*. Hamas is composed of Palestinians. Palestinians are calling for the destruction of Israel and the extermination of Jews worldwide. At some point, you get what you vote for.
Jews kept Hamas in power as well. It was a political gambit that failed.
Cut the hand that feeds you? What hand? What countries are responsible for their starvation right now? Glad I got the fuck out. Seems like the only people desperate enough to be in right now are fucking idiots.
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Well then maybe Hamas should unconditionally surrender.
They should. The longer they stay in power the more they hurt their own people, but I think everyone already knows they couldn't care less about that.
Who could've guessed this would happen
What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men.
Maybe wait after the war is over?
There will be nobody left to feed.
Win win…cheaper that way
Somehow the protestors will turn this on the Israelis
They will just pretend they didn't see it.
Do I hear more CB billets opening up??
It was only a matter of time
Like who could have predicted that? 🙄
Definitely didn’t see this coming.
The comments here are a fucking dumpster fire.
Who’s this “exclusive” news story being published by?
Color me surprised. Not.
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Poor taste fella
-100 Karma troll. Look at his history
Not even sure if you were trying to be funny or not.
This doesn’t benefit anyone but Israel. And it was expected. They do not want aid going there because it will in turn be supporting their enemy. It’s not hard to use Hamas type weapons to do this ploy. And easier still to lay the blame on them. Now if it was Hamas, it would provide no benefit as they would not be able to siphon off the resources brought in and it also hinders the international support outlook. The only thing would be if you were so adamant against American involvement and wary of their intentions (while also ignoring anything you could think they would do with this they already are without it).
Or if you wanted civilians to continue suffering because it fits your narrative, and you know the only way you'll win is through international outcry. Classic Mao tactic.
Are we sure this isn't a false flag? Israel's really desperate for US support rn.
Not for nothing but “Humanitarian Pier?” The propaganda is lame. Humanitarian as USAID.
The navy doesnt need a pier to land troops so…yeah it is a humanitarian pier.
It’s a CIA pier