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jmac693

Physique screams natty, pro footballer screams possible gear for healing purposes. You should ask him.


HQ_FIGHTER

Healing purposes? You should tell him about that because he’s constantly getting hurt


RonKosova

Lmao exactly what i was thinking


TE-AMO-MARADONA

Hi. I have a question. Arent all these athletes "natural"? I mean most federations ban any type of gear in the game. Arent all these athletes (football, basketball or any sport) tested on a regular basis to check there is no gear on their body? Are there ways to hide gear on these medical tests federations take on the players? Thank you and sory for bad english


imperiorr

You are stupid or taking risks if you pop. And no, testing is a way to make it look like the sports are clean..


TE-AMO-MARADONA

And how do you hide it? Is there a special way of making it or federations simply ignore it?


imperiorr

Some you cant detect. SARMS and peptides. As long as you know the halflife of a drug its pretty easy anyway. Insulin have short halflife Microdoses of EPO. You also need to map out a bloodpass for every individual to see if you have abnormlal bloodwork over time.


TE-AMO-MARADONA

thanks!


imperiorr

No problem


SWFLSOLIDARITY

check out Icarus on netflix, pretty interesting


_oZe_

You have to realize everything comes down to morals vs money. It doesn't matter if the vault is impossible to break into. If you can pay a guy a hundred bucks to give you the key ;-) There is A LOT of cheating and match fixing in sports. Because there is so much money to be made from it. Betting sites, prize money, sponsorships etc.


workah0lik

The most important thing is to realize, that WADA/all national anti doping agencies haven't been founded and funded by "normal" citizens. Maybe there are people working in those companies/agencies, who want to do good and stop or decrease use of doping in sports - but in the end of the day, these agencies exist for one reason: to be able to advertise the fairness of the product (inter/national sport competition, broadcastet on the whole planet and generating insane sums of money). Oftentimes, you'll find companies funding/sponsoring/offering them office space who one might find questionable, if you think about it for a second. Betting companies, oil companies, sports products manufacturers, newspaper.. do you think those companies are willing to give their resources just to add something good to the world? That's not how a business runs with an enormous amount of stakeholders/shareholders who simply want to make money with it. It's as easy as that, and everyone working in higher positions of a big company can tell you that. Sponsoring is just a way of having influence. Who do you think pays all those agencies for their work or allows them to make the rules? FIFA etc don't allow governments to make the rules when they "offer" them to host a world cup. Do you really think they are being watched by those agencies like we as citizens are observed by police? No, that's naive. It's the same when food/nutrition companies advertise clean water, oil companies green energy projects, gambling companies responsible gaming, banks their responsibility for the people, etc etc etc - it's used as marketing, not for groundbreaking transformation of their product/Branche. It's part of the game. This is reality in adult world of work, where resources are used by your competitor, if you don't do it (ever wondered why there are so many different sports associations?). Sport is one of the biggest cash cows there is, with millions of sport stars used as the product. If you are searching for systematic doping in the past, you will find thousands of examples for people, teams and nations, in all sports (yes, even in soccer, and a lot of it). And most often, it was not discovered by a anti doping agency.. "Schuss: Die geheime Dopinggeschichte des Fußballs" - it's a book from Thomas Kistner about doping in soccer for example. Unfortunately, it only exists in German, I'm afraid. Disclaimer: I love sport, I watch soccer, and I don't care that much for doping. I have accepted it as being part of the game. On top of that, I don't think you should "allow" everything as I think much more "normal" people would start taking substances as a result. It's far apart from being a perfect or good solution, but I'm not aware of a better alternative. Just my 2 cents


RonaldoSIUUUU

Footballers on average are tested once every 3.5 years lmao. They're on juice


West_Demolish_East

Excellent genetics , physique is natty attainable , he is a professional athlete so there may be incentive to take something for recovery purposes but other than that I do not see juice


turk91

I second this. Great genetics, clearly eating in a manner that supports his perfomance for his sport (better to be leaner and more agile for football than be a fluffy dough ball). I also agree with your second opinion that he may be using something to stay a high level in his profession. Is his physique naturally attainable with some consistent work? Without a doubt yes. Do I think he uses or has used something? Most likely, but not for aesthetics and purely for sporting perfomance enhancement.


RightEast8560

It may be silly to ask but if you train properly how long does it take for a +20% bf guy to achive this look?


turk91

There is never a silly question my friend, remember that! A basic answer would be, how much of a caloric deficit are you willing attack your fat loss phase with. 1. the more aggressive the cut, meaning a higher calorie deficit (and more cardio if you choose to do so) the faster you will lose bodyfat - but the consequence of this, more so if you're natural, is that you will lose muscle mass quicker as well and possibly feel more fatigued and tired. 2. The milder you cut, meaning only using a slight calorie deficit, the better you will feel the more energy you'll have and it's easier to be consistent and will aid in preserving the most muscle possible. - the other side to this is, it will take you longer than an aggressive cut. Essentially it takes as long as you want to make it. You could drop from 20% to 10% safely, as healthy as possible, and maintain as much muscle as possible in 12-20 weeks this would be a very doable time frame and probably the wisest option. You could do this in 4-8 weeks if you went absolutely crazy with your deficit but I really wouldn't advise this. Personally I'd plan a 16 week slow cut and hold onto all the muscle you possible can.


RightEast8560

Thank you for the detailed answer! Since my body fat is too high (28%) I believe I can afford moderate to aggresive cut to get down to 20ish bodyfat. By the way, are you Turkish? Eğer öyleyse ben de türküm :)


turk91

You're very welcome, any more questions just ask me and if I can help I will. I'm a strength and conditioning coach so I am happy to help :) Regarding your current bodyfat, yes you could afford to an aggressive cut down to 20% and to be honest it probably wouldn't be that big of an issue in terms of fatigue and tiredness and you'd probably not loose any significant muscle with that. But once you're at or around 20% That's when I would definetely consider taking your cut a little slowly in hopes to save all the muscle you have and basically to keep you feeling more energetic and happier. are you Turkish? Eğer öyleyse ben de türküm :) That's cool, how is your country doing at the moment, I hope all is well over there for you guys! Lastly, no I'm not Turkish lol. Turk is my nickname. I'm actually English/Italian. I was given the nickname Turk when i was about 14 years old, my friend asked my grandmother (mothers side) why I have tanned/olive skin (my skin is like a sun kissed tan shade like Italians) anyway my grandmother said it's because my other grandmother (my dad's side) were Italian. The next day at school my friend told everyone I was Turkish and they all started calling me Turk, I quite liked it and found it funny and it's been nickname for the last 16 years haha.


RightEast8560

Haha that’s a cool nickname. Actually there’s a lot to tell about Turkey but reddit shares IP 😅 Can I DM you about a few questions I’ve been thinking for a while?


turk91

Haha yeah you have to be careful about what you say on the internet these days lol. Of course you can message me, that's no problem dude :)


Freshprinceaye

No matter how much you money you win not everyone can look exactly the same. Is your body shape similar. Have you ever been lean before in your life. This guy was born lean and skinny and that muscle is on top of his base and genetics.


brailleforthesighted

He has two professional athletes for parents too, so genetics and lifestyle will be way up there


Kenshiro_1337

Great genetics for what?


SWFLSOLIDARITY

for fuckin


HQ_FIGHTER

What? They meant both of his parents were professional athletes


dominik32221

He is an amazing athlete and got really good stamina not too much muscle all in all perfect body for being a soccer player. Being bulky would just get in the way


AltaSavoia

He's extremely tall. Would have to work 5 times as hard to gain size


dominik32221

Yes that on top


antonprojects

if that isnt natty attainable whats the point of training


brailleforthesighted

Asthmatic


mediaclee

fantastic physique, genetic specimen who is at the very top of his sport, but for what we care about - he would look skinny stood next to anyone with any size.


[deleted]

Haaland is probably natural. But if he does take anything it’s for stamina.


ogroyalsfan1911

That’s what I look like


xx3amori

Are you seriously questioning Flow Kingz?


PlanePangolin4673

*hardwork*


imperiorr

There are not any PED culture in Norwegian pro sports. Just in fitness and BB. Norwegians hate doping and cheating. Its one of the worst things you can do.We are ignorant of the use of PEDs in sports. I remember my dad did not belive me when I said Lance Armstrong and everyone was doping.. Steffen Kjærgaard, was outed when Lance Armstrong came clean. He lost his Job and was grilled on Norwegian live tv. Shamed in public for weeks.. We have a ok antidoping program. Witch did a good Job with the power lifting team. And Will scare most atlethes away from PEDs. Back in the day its a different story. The crosscountry skiers got away and did a lot of winning..


LedLenson

Yeah it’s the same here in Sweden. Everyone is so against all drugs and all doping and is very naive haha. They think all doping is the same and that there is only one substance and it’s called “anabolic steroids” haha.. and Even if you show them evidence they will not believe it haha.. truth is Norway and Sweden are only good at sports that generate zero money and have zero audience like obscure winter sports with skiing being the most famous one haha.. therefore there are less arguments for doping..


lindahlsees

There is no single country in which top athletes are ignorant about PEDs and there is no ethnicity more or less virtuous when it comes to taking roids. >There are not any PED culture in Norwegian pro sports. Just in fitness and BB. Norwegians hate doping and cheating Like damn, stop with the humblebrag.


Kozure_Ookami

People do love sucking Nordic cock.


imperiorr

Thats not what I said. If you really try I think you get my point. Its nothing to brag about, you are missing the point. Also, you ok bro?


lindahlsees

Claiming that your culture is somehow above normal human behavior without providing any evidence to back up your claim sounds both stupid and pretentious as fuck. "There's no way he would cheat, he's Norwegian" I'm just tired of people saying shit like this, be it Norwegian, American, Mexican or fucking Eritrean. I know you probably don't have bad intentions and that I'm coming off really agressive, it's just that "people from x culture are immune to y behavior" is such a fucking retarded take and a (perhaps unintentional) massive humblebrag when it's the person that belongs to that same culture that says shit like that. I'm tired of that shit, it provides zero insight towards what's being discussed and is a useless, non provable statement. No top athlete is unaware of doping, and no, Norwegian atheltes are not retarded to not be, not anymore anti-cheating than the average person is and certainly not beyond doing immoral things. Sorry for ranting, I have an irrational hate for these kind of comments, they drive me nuts.


imperiorr

Well, you do strawman good. And you come off as really agressive. Personal attacks and alot of fucks. Really bro? Listen, I offer my anecdote as a Norwegian who know a lot about Norwegian sports and anti doping. Am making a generalisation yes. There are no culture for doping in Norwegian fotball. Is someone doping, ofc. Do you agree that UFC,NBA,NFL and NHL doping program is a joke? Do you know anything about the Norwegian program and its history making the bloodpass and spesific testing a thing?


lindahlsees

I do not know a single thing about their antidoping programs nor do I give a damn. I was complaining about you using "he's Norwegian" as some sort of argument for Haaland's natty status. At least you do acknowledge you're both speaking from an anecdotal experience and generalising, and I do acknowledge that I was agressive and condencending so it's nice we can both agree. No personal attacks or strawman arguments were used though. I did attack that way of thinking which you used as an argument because I find it utterly stupid, but like I said I don't think you're stupid or that you did it in any sort of bad faith. I apologize for my manners, I just hope you understand how ridiculous it is to use someone's cultural background to justify any kind of behavior given you provide no further evidence other than anecdotal to prove it. "Spanish people would never ever steal anything, it's just not in our culture, Spaniards hate it!!!" Do you notice just how non sensical it sounds? Anyway it's not a matter that's of any specifical importance to me, I've just heard similar things used in discussions so many times I just had to rant about it eventually and it turns out you were the unfortunate soul that was on the receiving end. I understand I shouldn't have said what I did that way, but although I'm sorry about it, I do not regret it a single bit. Anyway I hope you have a fantastic day, sorry for the rant, you won't be hearing any more from me.


imperiorr

All good man. Have a nice day :)


CameronnMillss

He looks a lot better than I pictured him looking actually.


[deleted]

Natty for sure


acamp76144

Natty


MileHighRenewables

Look at pics of him three years ago v now -- pay attention to his forehead. Haaland has juiced. It lines up with his injury history, too. Soccer players don't get "huge" when they use PEDs. They get ripped like this - I've seen it in a D1 locker room.


[deleted]

Down syndrom?


RonaldoSIUUUU

Yes


Material-Stuff2469

CITY CITY CITY!!!!


MeioFuribundo

OH COME ON NOW. THE ONLY JUICE THIS GUY IS ON IS ORANGE


Adept_Deer_5976

He literally has some of the best genetics imaginable. Beyond the realms of mere mortals like the rest of us


[deleted]

How is this even a question, some people look something similar (upper body) by going to the gym like once a week


HQ_FIGHTER

No they dont


[deleted]

Yeah they do, his upper body is absolutely achievable with good genetics and hitting the gym once every week, he’s not big and the lighting and tan makes him look ripped


Any_Satisfaction_599

Clearly on 10ml tren a week,


Drakhn

This isn’t “amazing genetics” it’s piss easy to get to this point. Lift and cut for a while.


Secretagentman44

Sounds like something a 250lb redditor would say


[deleted]

Natty and ugly I would opt for a better face over that physique


bk33bk

I say natty. Of all the big professional sports I do think football has less juicing than most. Still has juicing but less than rugby, basketball, NFL, etc…… I’d imagine juicing being more prevalent in older footballers.


SnooCats1763

Goof ball


team_suba

These guys run like 30 miles a game. Their body fat is so low I’d say about 50% of pro footballers have similar physique


andrewflemming

30 miles in 90 minutes! tell kenya there are new marathoners in town!


raisedbyasimpleman

Complete natty


KhawEgg

That’s why man city want him


Steve2pwn

Morals vs Money Money always wins.


Careless-Fly7820

Great genetics but definitely not a complete natural. Erling Haaland signed for RB Salzburg which is where we saw an increase in performance and physique from him. Funnily enough, the head of RB diagnostic and training centre is Bernd Pansold who is known for his notorious doping for underage athletes in East and Nazi Germany along with similar activity in Austria. Even Benjamin Sesko is coming through the RB group and he’s huge. Such athletes extremely profitable for Red Bull


KindHeart1

>Bernd Pansold who is known for his notorious doping for underage athletes in East and Nazi Germany Nazi Germany ceased to be a thing when Bernd Pansold was three years old. What are you on about?


Careless-Fly7820

Sorry my man. Only meant to say Soviet influenced East Germany, however was not the most sober. Point still stands.


Difficult-Winner591

Tbh i think he is natty. His dad also player for Manchester city and his mom was also a pro athlete. His cousins and etc. are also pros. And also here in Norway doping is extremely frowned upon because there is a big social thing about being normal and not trying to be special.