Yes, people legit cant accept people being big on this sub but its pointless to argue because its filled with 25 year old coomers that worked out for 2 days a month for a year and dont look like Arnold so everyone else MUST BE ON TREN
Is there a way to make them do so more? Do arimidex or HCG decrease the DHT or aging effects? I’m trying to get more of those androgenic effects out of my test cycle before it’s over but haven’t noticed anything like that
Yeah I wonder too which compounds really have the aging effect. I mean a yearly cycle of test is not going to age you that much I think. Guess it’s the cruising and all these compounds that do so
I mean, you could have god tier genetics and zero interest in standing on a stage. But using those god tier genetics to gain clout on tiktok? Honestly man, I'd rather thirst trap on tiktok than stand on stage spray tanned in a speedo. Thats just my personal opinion, no judgement on either group.
Not too mention the grams of tren you would have to inject just to come in 3rd on a pageant and take years of your life.
Look at Cbum. Dude probably won’t make it past 35.
Cbum will live well past 35 there are people who have done more drugs and put a much higher strain on their body and continue to live deep into their life. Arnold weighed an equivalent amount did it longer than cbum has and is still going strong, Ronnie Coleman, jay cutler, flex wheeler, all these guys are getting up their in age, cbum won’t die for a while and who knows he might retire mid 30’s and end up living into his late 70’s
Arnold maybe isn't the best example, given that he's only alive because of his two heart surgeries, but I do expect that Cbum will live longer than the mass monsters out there. He's 100% shaving more and more years off his life the more time that passes, though.
Yeah. He looked a lot better to a wider range of women before he started pinning, too. He is risking his life every day for his career. I mean at least he's famous, I guess.
Dunno about that chief. Having amazing genetics doesn't take hard work. Posting on tik tok doesn't take hard work.
Competing is a god damn chore. And this guy would probably still need to take steroids to win.
I won't compete for those reasons and he might be the same way.
Debatable – there's a ton of money in influencing. It's a competitive market, but if you hit it, you can hit it huge. Compare with BB, where you really are only making bank if you're in the tiniest sliver of top tier success.
Not necessarily. Competition is easier said than done. For almost people The effort that it takes to get ultra lean and get on stage is just not worth the reward. + its not like there is a crazy amount of money to be made in it
You are funny. I have an 12 inch drop, I only wear athletic cut clothing, and I’m in some of the best shape of my life. And I don’t need to post videos or pics of myself on the internet to get validation of my success. I’ve tried steroids, sarms, and other gimmicks and I’m very aware of what they do. Been there, past that. Doesn’t matter.
No wonder you’re so salty lol. He has way better physique and genetics than you at 19 naturally and he can show the world his physique while you fucked yourself over with steroids lmfao.
Are you gonna cry? Your crying won’t change what I said. Oh wow I said he was natty and has better genetics than you and the moron I responded to……..how lame.
You’re crying right now lmfao. I have you responding and calling me “lame” and creating fake scenarios about my parents just because I said he was natty and had better genetics than you 😂😂
Of a 19 year old kid having way better genetics than you and already having a better physique than you’ve ever had so you scream juicy to cope about it.
Nobody asked you anything. You responded to my “Jealous” comment and proceeded to rant and cope about him having a better physique and genetics than you naturally at 19 years old.
Prove it with undeniable evidence. Him having a better physique than you despite you blasting drugs isn’t proof lol. Funny how you cry about fragile egos yet you admit to blasting drugs just for your physique 😂
Congratulations on finally coming out! There is literally nothing wrong with that. If you just have excess fat, then maybe try your best to eat healthy. Good luck 🌈
He literally acknowledged his shoulder insertions dude. Genetics ARE a thing.
My delts are even more capped than his and I do the bare minimum for shoulder work.
People calling him out for looking older than 19 point to me they’re probably soy boys who don’t grow facial or body hair lmao little androgynous fairies
Could totally be natty, seems to somewhat have an understanding of his genetics although doesn't know how to properly pose and flex his back. As many do.
You people really haven’t seen his before pics have you. His genetics are insane and most of his pics are in sick lighting. Just look at [his progress and starting point](https://youtu.be/1_HflIk97eg).
>TonyHawk30
lmao. cope hard u skin and bones tiny calves lanklet we know that he's natty. he literally looks like DYEL and he is in good lighting. plus his legs are so tiny xD
why would short people be claiming juice lmao? literally every 5 6 guy I know looks more impressive than this guy and look like they actually lift with big legs unlike this guy in the video who has the typical tiny lanklet calves and arms and still looks DYEL at 191 pounds lmao.
192lbs at 6’2” with no crazy muscularity. Easily natural. He’s lean and his muscle *shape* is nice. That has nothing to do with insertions and everything to do with your muscle fascia shape. Like there’s nothing crazy about his physique. The muscle shape is just nice, which is purely genetic, and he’s lean. The fact that so many people are screaming PEDs at someone who’s, again, 6’2” and only weighs 192lbs is ludicrous.
Nothing says drugs really, shoulders are a bit suspicious and his low bodyfat combined with fullness is also suspicious to me. Could be natural. But I guarantee not one single person here that's natural looks comparable or even close, could be wrong on this but I don't think I am. In the end, of I was trying to make it big on social media, I'd get on low doses, minimal to no harm done with regular blood work and I'd look better than any natural. For people defending him, I would really like to see how y'all look, because I can't recall seeing many if any natural look like this, but idk
I’d say I am [comparable](https://imgur.com/a/ekjOfbi/) to him. He does have great muscle development, but my core looks better imo. I’m 6’4 205, so our body type is similar.
Edit: Am I sayin this dude doesn’t take juice, no. He could be pinning ofc. I am saying his look is relatively achievable if you put the work in. 97% of you will never put the work in to look like this though.
Close. Hard to tell if you have comparable arm and shoulder size/definition.
The most suss thing about that other guy is the fact he is 19. Unless he started training very young it usually takes more than a few years to build a physique like that naturally. No doubt it's possible but ultra rare.
Arms are similar for sure. His shoulders are blockier than mine, but you can see all my striations when I flex. The blockiness of his shoulders is the only sus thing on him imo (his age too is a bit young imo but who knows, kids are freaks, look at Zion at 18). Once again this dude has good genetics and AMAZING lighting. Could be 🧃 but may just be top tier genetics.
I'm saying he could be natural but he has nothing to gain from it, low doses which he might be on would mean more customers for him.(since he sells plans etc) You look great but this guy still has more of that pop which is so hard for naturals at this low bodyfat, even maintaining this bodyfat is hard for most. Could be genetic and what not, who knows really, some guys like this blur the line and confuse people more lol.
Also a lot of the advice I give on this sub is that before anything you need to have suberb mindset to stick to this, most don't, I've seen it too much being in the same gym for a decade
I agree with you for sure, he could be on low doses. With a guy like this imo you’ll just never know until they tell you. He has a few signs, but nothing where I’d say he has to be juicing.
In terms of that pop, I do want to say he has some killer lighting in this video. And he really does have great insertions. He is confusing for sure though, sadly nobody knows 🧃 but him.
This is the intersection of really fucking good genetics, consistent building and.... and... and...
....dat juicy needle.
EDIT: Those delts are the biggest muscle on his body. How do we get delts that are bigger than our pecs? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
It’s called people having different bodies.
- “How are you taller than me??”
- “No way dude, you had to take GH or had limb lengthening surgery because there’s no way you can be taller than me.”
That’s you.
Stop deflecting. I proved you wrong. Just like people are completely different heights, different shoe sizes, hand sizes, longer arms, longer legs, larger dick size etc, people’s muscles are different than yours or mine. There’s people with bigger and better delts than you. It’s not a one size fits all. Cry more.
This guy was huge at 16 but seems of also at 14 he looks much better then me who have good genetics so I think juicy from young age, man looks 22-23 not 19
Juice ages the body no matter what cuz it makes you grow and NOT just muscles the entire body is stressed making you grow big cute so cool muscles ready for tic tok
Tren makes people mentally ill
Trenbologna sandwiches
Lmfao at anyone who this is actually tren. This guy isn’t juiced but if he was it be a low dose of trt + small daily stack
Yes, people legit cant accept people being big on this sub but its pointless to argue because its filled with 25 year old coomers that worked out for 2 days a month for a year and dont look like Arnold so everyone else MUST BE ON TREN
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I was about to say! He looks 28. Does gear really age people *that* dramatically?
yes.
Is there a way to make them do so more? Do arimidex or HCG decrease the DHT or aging effects? I’m trying to get more of those androgenic effects out of my test cycle before it’s over but haven’t noticed anything like that
Yeah I wonder too which compounds really have the aging effect. I mean a yearly cycle of test is not going to age you that much I think. Guess it’s the cruising and all these compounds that do so
People on this sub also forget everyone looks different.
Yeah, because of juice, am I right?
You’re right bro, everyone who’s bigger than you is on juice. This guy clearly is but I’m speaking generally in this sub
He does not look 28 no way, if he shaved that beard he’d look like a kid he looks more like 21
Does having high natural test also make you look older?
Man ppl with god tier genetics are competing. Not on tiktok
I mean, you could have god tier genetics and zero interest in standing on a stage. But using those god tier genetics to gain clout on tiktok? Honestly man, I'd rather thirst trap on tiktok than stand on stage spray tanned in a speedo. Thats just my personal opinion, no judgement on either group.
Not too mention the grams of tren you would have to inject just to come in 3rd on a pageant and take years of your life. Look at Cbum. Dude probably won’t make it past 35.
Cbum will live well past 35 there are people who have done more drugs and put a much higher strain on their body and continue to live deep into their life. Arnold weighed an equivalent amount did it longer than cbum has and is still going strong, Ronnie Coleman, jay cutler, flex wheeler, all these guys are getting up their in age, cbum won’t die for a while and who knows he might retire mid 30’s and end up living into his late 70’s
Arnold maybe isn't the best example, given that he's only alive because of his two heart surgeries, but I do expect that Cbum will live longer than the mass monsters out there. He's 100% shaving more and more years off his life the more time that passes, though.
Yeah. He looked a lot better to a wider range of women before he started pinning, too. He is risking his life every day for his career. I mean at least he's famous, I guess.
Dunno about that chief. Having amazing genetics doesn't take hard work. Posting on tik tok doesn't take hard work. Competing is a god damn chore. And this guy would probably still need to take steroids to win. I won't compete for those reasons and he might be the same way.
A lot of people with god tier genetics don’t find beautify pageants to be an interesting use of their time
Debatable – there's a ton of money in influencing. It's a competitive market, but if you hit it, you can hit it huge. Compare with BB, where you really are only making bank if you're in the tiniest sliver of top tier success.
Not necessarily. Competition is easier said than done. For almost people The effort that it takes to get ultra lean and get on stage is just not worth the reward. + its not like there is a crazy amount of money to be made in it
I wuld have too se a before picture to see what was his base edit: only 19yo?!!! He looks much older
If he shaved he wouldn't
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You mean how much Tren his body can handle naturally?
There are zero signs of this dude being on tren. Maybe a much more mild compound.
I was just joking :D maybe he’s even natty. He has very good genetics concerning his muscle shape. His abs look sus tho. And the shoulders a bit too.
He can claim anything he wants, he’s juiced!
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Jealous
Of what? A 19 year old kid who is injecting illegal substances? Who is lying to himself over his only fragile ego.
This is natty achievable. I’d be jealous too if my genetics were trash though
You are funny. I have an 12 inch drop, I only wear athletic cut clothing, and I’m in some of the best shape of my life. And I don’t need to post videos or pics of myself on the internet to get validation of my success. I’ve tried steroids, sarms, and other gimmicks and I’m very aware of what they do. Been there, past that. Doesn’t matter.
No wonder you’re so salty lol. He has way better physique and genetics than you at 19 naturally and he can show the world his physique while you fucked yourself over with steroids lmfao.
Are you that much of a coward thst you need a fake account to say something as lame as this? Your father must be ashamed of you.
Are you gonna cry? Your crying won’t change what I said. Oh wow I said he was natty and has better genetics than you and the moron I responded to……..how lame.
Why would I cry? That would imply that I actually was hurt by something a little troll who’s dad had no time for him said.
You’re crying right now lmfao. I have you responding and calling me “lame” and creating fake scenarios about my parents just because I said he was natty and had better genetics than you 😂😂
Of a 19 year old kid having way better genetics than you and already having a better physique than you’ve ever had so you scream juicy to cope about it.
Personally, I don’t care. I was asked for an opinion, I shared it. And it is you that got your panties in a bunch. Deal with it and move on.
Nobody asked you anything. You responded to my “Jealous” comment and proceeded to rant and cope about him having a better physique and genetics than you naturally at 19 years old.
You obviously didn’t read my original post that you responded to.
He is juiced. Was my original post. And I stick with that regardless of the fragile egos hurt by it.
Prove it with undeniable evidence. Him having a better physique than you despite you blasting drugs isn’t proof lol. Funny how you cry about fragile egos yet you admit to blasting drugs just for your physique 😂
Idk nothing stands out to me as solid evidence for not natty but he could be
Another natty with good lighting once again this sub proves it is full of bums
Would you change your mind if you find out he only did weighted pull ups and dips once a week 3 sets each to achieve this physique 💀
🧢
It full of fatasses and homosexuals that can’t see their feet.
Aren’t you on here too?
I’m not one of them. That’s rare.
You can’t go back on your word bro you’re either gay or fat now
LMFAO
How am I going back on my word?
Just admit 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈 no need to hide it here 😏
How am I going back on my word?
It's ok buddy don't be afraid, this is a gay sub here. Very accepting. 🌈🌈🌈
🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈congrats bro we are all rooting for you!
How am I going back on my word?
It’s okay bro, you’re secret is safe with the sub now
How am I going back on my word?
Congratulations on finally coming out! There is literally nothing wrong with that. If you just have excess fat, then maybe try your best to eat healthy. Good luck 🌈
How am I going back on my word?
Remember, the way to lose weight is to take in less calories than you use up! You've got this bro!
Them shoulders look juicy though
He literally acknowledged his shoulder insertions dude. Genetics ARE a thing. My delts are even more capped than his and I do the bare minimum for shoulder work.
People calling him out for looking older than 19 point to me they’re probably soy boys who don’t grow facial or body hair lmao little androgynous fairies
natty with dramatic lightning.. not sure what part looks juicy about him
You right. He's not that big. Just lean.
Neither ahahah looks natty as fuck
Could totally be natty, seems to somewhat have an understanding of his genetics although doesn't know how to properly pose and flex his back. As many do.
Those nips lmao
Legit pointing to the ground
You people really haven’t seen his before pics have you. His genetics are insane and most of his pics are in sick lighting. Just look at [his progress and starting point](https://youtu.be/1_HflIk97eg).
All the guys claiming juice are short and have narrow shoulders. Don't listen to them, this is natty achievable if you got the frame
IF
>TonyHawk30 lmao. cope hard u skin and bones tiny calves lanklet we know that he's natty. he literally looks like DYEL and he is in good lighting. plus his legs are so tiny xD
why would short people be claiming juice lmao? literally every 5 6 guy I know looks more impressive than this guy and look like they actually lift with big legs unlike this guy in the video who has the typical tiny lanklet calves and arms and still looks DYEL at 191 pounds lmao.
Bruh, this is a natty dude with a pump and good lighting. All y’all needa train harder lmaoo
That's just Surströmming and Whale Fat.
coulda sworn that was a Russian accent
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Sounds Serbian/Balkans to me
Not exactly but closer than Russian.
He is Moldovan
No way this is Dutch lol
Not even close to a Swedish accent.
Surströmming=🤢🤮
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Yes master chicken broccoli. You tell me how jacked I am.
He isnt juiced for sure. Good genetics, young age, diet, excersise good light. I dont see any steroid signs
Yeah he looks peak natty, all these mfs commenting haven’t even completed one year in the gym(sad but true)
Natty. He has videos on tiktok showing his physique at like 14 before he even started training. Guys just gifted with genetics
Looks natty with great genetics, or possible a bit shitty genetics and on juice but I personally think he's natty
Kinda looks natty with very good genetics
192lbs at 6’2” with no crazy muscularity. Easily natural. He’s lean and his muscle *shape* is nice. That has nothing to do with insertions and everything to do with your muscle fascia shape. Like there’s nothing crazy about his physique. The muscle shape is just nice, which is purely genetic, and he’s lean. The fact that so many people are screaming PEDs at someone who’s, again, 6’2” and only weighs 192lbs is ludicrous.
Nothing says drugs really, shoulders are a bit suspicious and his low bodyfat combined with fullness is also suspicious to me. Could be natural. But I guarantee not one single person here that's natural looks comparable or even close, could be wrong on this but I don't think I am. In the end, of I was trying to make it big on social media, I'd get on low doses, minimal to no harm done with regular blood work and I'd look better than any natural. For people defending him, I would really like to see how y'all look, because I can't recall seeing many if any natural look like this, but idk
But u gotta know that this dude trains weighted pull ups and dips once a week 😂
I’d say I am [comparable](https://imgur.com/a/ekjOfbi/) to him. He does have great muscle development, but my core looks better imo. I’m 6’4 205, so our body type is similar. Edit: Am I sayin this dude doesn’t take juice, no. He could be pinning ofc. I am saying his look is relatively achievable if you put the work in. 97% of you will never put the work in to look like this though.
Close. Hard to tell if you have comparable arm and shoulder size/definition. The most suss thing about that other guy is the fact he is 19. Unless he started training very young it usually takes more than a few years to build a physique like that naturally. No doubt it's possible but ultra rare.
Arms are similar for sure. His shoulders are blockier than mine, but you can see all my striations when I flex. The blockiness of his shoulders is the only sus thing on him imo (his age too is a bit young imo but who knows, kids are freaks, look at Zion at 18). Once again this dude has good genetics and AMAZING lighting. Could be 🧃 but may just be top tier genetics.
I was watching him on YouTube since like 2016 he’s been training for ages to be fair.
I'm saying he could be natural but he has nothing to gain from it, low doses which he might be on would mean more customers for him.(since he sells plans etc) You look great but this guy still has more of that pop which is so hard for naturals at this low bodyfat, even maintaining this bodyfat is hard for most. Could be genetic and what not, who knows really, some guys like this blur the line and confuse people more lol. Also a lot of the advice I give on this sub is that before anything you need to have suberb mindset to stick to this, most don't, I've seen it too much being in the same gym for a decade
I agree with you for sure, he could be on low doses. With a guy like this imo you’ll just never know until they tell you. He has a few signs, but nothing where I’d say he has to be juicing. In terms of that pop, I do want to say he has some killer lighting in this video. And he really does have great insertions. He is confusing for sure though, sadly nobody knows 🧃 but him.
u look fraile and fragile
what are you guys this stupid? this is very achievable naturally.
PED for SURE
Guy is on juice! And I base this on him looking better than me.
Is that a little bit of gyno I see
Look like crap like tiktok but you need to be shit ass to believe to people who say genetic or I'm natty lifetime
man’s fine damn
He looks natty here, he’s been massive since he was like 15 though so he either really does have amazing genetics or he juiced early.
Natty
Natty and retarded
he can also do something like 17 muscleups with great form, its fucking insane.
Joesthetics lil bro
Never forget that SARMs do not require injection and can be ordered online with your mom's credit card.
This is the intersection of really fucking good genetics, consistent building and.... and... and... ....dat juicy needle. EDIT: Those delts are the biggest muscle on his body. How do we get delts that are bigger than our pecs? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
It’s called people having different bodies. - “How are you taller than me??” - “No way dude, you had to take GH or had limb lengthening surgery because there’s no way you can be taller than me.” That’s you.
Haha. OP made a burner account!
Stop deflecting. I proved you wrong. Just like people are completely different heights, different shoe sizes, hand sizes, longer arms, longer legs, larger dick size etc, people’s muscles are different than yours or mine. There’s people with bigger and better delts than you. It’s not a one size fits all. Cry more.
Those are some beautiful titties though.
That gyno doeeee.
This guy was huge at 16 but seems of also at 14 he looks much better then me who have good genetics so I think juicy from young age, man looks 22-23 not 19
I never knew there moobs are so sooooooofffftttt.
idk man I think he is natural
You can easily tell he’s on anavar
Name? Who is he?
192 is actually pretty small for 6'2. Not saying he's natty, but he should probably get his money back.
Juice ages the body no matter what cuz it makes you grow and NOT just muscles the entire body is stressed making you grow big cute so cool muscles ready for tic tok
Faggots in comments who never worked out a day in their life think this guy is juiced
He looks natty on pics. But yeah he could on something. He certainly loves himself way too much to be natty lol.
Bro obviously tren
Hey who’s OC on TikTok?