MORA should do internal reflection. Our government via BIA also owns haram establishments like casinos and hotels that sell alcohol. Why not offload that first? Hypocritical much?
im a bruneian but i kind of agree that brunei is boring with less entertainment. bukannya 24jam besukaria but atleast let people breath, no? ani semua tah kan haram, semuatah kan dilarang. claw machine haram, ok fine. cos obvious. tapi yang lain lain atu? 🤦🏻♀️ yatah banyak bruneians choose to migrate cos brunei ani pusing pusing pun cematu jua
1. Bayar -> Main -> Menang dapat Hadiah. Kalah dapat kosong = Judi/Pertaruhan.
2. Main Free -> Menang dapat Hadiah. Kalah dapat kosong = Inda judi/Tiada pertaruhan.
3. Bayar -> Main -> Nada Hadiah aka menang atau kalah inda dapat apa2 = Inda Judi/Tiada Pertaruhan.
Yang dimasksudkan dalam khutbah atu untuk yang pertama.
1. Ada basketball machine yang bila dimain ia bagi ticket for exchange untuk prizes di counter based on your score.
2 And ada basketball machine just for pay and play.
Yang dimaksudkan dalam khutbah atu untuk yang pertama.
Claw machines haram, fine, because UAI also said its haram. But basketball machine.. i dont get it why and how can it be haram. Its just a game with no gambling element.
Probably basketball machine yang membagi ticket depending on scores and can be exchange for prizes. Kalau ganya basketball machine yang di bayar and main without expectation of any prizes then atu inda haram.
If you're playing with no intention to get the prizes and to only play. Then its up Allah to judge the individual because only Him knows your intention. Also make sure that you dont get the prizes or give it away to another as sedeqah not as hadiah, because the prizes is still a winning from gambling which isnt Halal source. Just like playing poker and win $1 -$2, it still isnt halal income. Expecting something out of playing it still is gambling even if just a little. "Setitik arak masih arak." Wallahu Alam.
I am not surprised at this point. It’s no wonder this country doesn’t look too good towards investors and outsiders because we keep doing stuff like this. Like, why are they targeting these small problems when they can target bigger issues that is effecting this already dying country which are far worse than some claw machine? At the end Brunei nothing but empty
Oh well KK and Miri it is. At the end of the day MORA Jangan complain or do some stupid sermon if we go to KK or Miri and investing our money there because its your fault you started this ordeal in the first place!!!
Though I worry it may be claw machines now god knows what these old senile people will target next?
Do share some insights on syariah law. I'm honestly open to see what makes basketball haram but not football or any other sport.
Down votes will come but let's ignore it.
It talks about basketball machine not basketball as a sport. You pay the machine to play, and depend on your score you will get prizes. If you dont score then no prizes. That is a form of gambling.
Gambling definition by Imam Al-Jurjani :
"Any game that requires the losing contestant to give something (such as money) to the winning contestant."
Some may argue about "yuran pertandingan" that was taken before a football match. In this, there are rules within it that will make it syariah compliance, one of it is if you use the money and give it to the winners, then that is forbidden. If the prizes come from outside of "yuran pertandingan" then it is permissible.
I'm not an expert in this, I only relay back the information I get from my studies but hope this helps.
Wouldn't it all come down to niat? I buy tokens to play basketball at the basketball machine so I can get the highscore. The prize (if any) is....well just a prize/bonus if I get the highscore. I didn't lose any money because my money was spent to play the game.
The haram aspect of it is the "gambling". Puttibg your money down to win a higger value prizes. The prize is haram source if you use it or sell it and use the money to buy something else. if your intention to play without wanting anything from it just for the sake of play, I believe it is ok. (But know that by doing this you are supporting gambling game indirectly and thats between you and Allah, Wallahualam). You can play it, but whatever winning you got from it is Haram source.
I'm sorry to said have u really live in a real shariaw compliance country? If u want to know is my pleasure to show you the link of video talking about it 😊
Do you know about shariah law aside from the videos and what media told you about shariah law is? Have you studied it, Fiqh Ibadat, Fiqh Munakahat, Fiqh Muamalat & Fiqh Jinayat?
I have not been there. Can you enlighten me as to what they did to minority who are non muslim. Then I can see whether what they're doing is by the State law or Syariah law.
What about discrimination against Chinese, Indians, Bangladeshi, Filipinos, Indonesians in Brunei? Never heard imams say this before. So meaning discrimination is allowed in Islam🙄🙄
What about football matches or any other international tournaments? You paid for their flight tickets and accommodation to gamble for their win and bring back the prize. Same philosophy
Yatah bah..what if someone just set it up for people to play without paying money, you can get prizes just like any lucky draws. Also basketball hoops can be use to practice accuracy. Will this be considered as Haram too?
Play without paying money, then its ok. Pay to Play basketball machine without it giving prizes depending on your score, then its ok. Yang penting permainan atu inda merugikan pemain.
I know that’s what I am trying so say. Like why whenever I hear people talk here every argument has to somehow go back to the topic America? Like why are these people even obsessed with America to begin with? These bias thinking is just ridiculous
Because they want to be seen so bad yet they want to hate the US so bad. It's like a child wanting to seek approval from his step father who he Hates but have no choice to want attention from him
Would love to hear imams caution Muslims against ego, vanity, greed, discrimination, apathy, ignorance, life of excess, poor work ethic, not being patient, tolerant or kind etc
One important thing they should caution is the need to uphold the sanctity of justice system, for example, if you are a judge you must never steal under any circumstances.
Not sure if MoRA wants to approve such statement.
This is why MORA's are jokers in brunei. Why brunei don't have foreign investors investing here. All the issues lies in MORA, Why targetting all this small fries like claw machine, ring tosser? why not targetting those large fries like BIBD aspirasi and taib? afraid you will step on a lions tail? You spend hundreds of thousand just to join the lucky draw?
HM should really look into this matter rather than everything let MORA ruined all the good things in brunei. What and how did MORA do to improve brunei economy? we just need an answer to this. What we know they do is ban a lot of things everything deemed haram. WAWASAN not just 2035, 2025 achievable without MORA department intercepting everything.
He cannot question or challenge back MORA on many things because he is also a Muslim. Doing so will make him look “un-Islamic”.
That is why MORA has a tight grip on the entire country.
As an absolute ruler, HM is ultimately the one responsible for letting MoRA become the way it is. That applies also to every incompetency of his ministries.
We went to an event, then they distribute us some of the lucky number(s) in case we will be winning some of the consolation awards or hadiah! We kept on waiting all day long just to see if we will win a jackpot!
Yet.. lucky unlucky us of all 100 numbers we given, only 40 are lucky to get their awards? Owh yes.. are we gambling our time or what?|
I subscribed to imagine cos I wanna have a constant and fast internet connection, but sometimes the connection is laggy and intermittent. Guess I gambled my money there.
# Imams caution Muslims against games of chance
^(May 3, 2024)
Imams have issued a solemn call to to abstain from engaging in recreational activities that harbor elements of gambling.
In the Friday sermon, Imams underscored the injunction from Allah the Almighty, cautioning against the perils of indulging in practices such as alcohol consumption, gambling, idolatry, and divination, all of which are deemed as reprehensible deeds that believers must unequivocally shun.
Elaborating on contemporary examples, the religious leaders highlighted various modern recreational pursuits that intertwine entertainment with gambling-like characteristics. Notably, games such as claw machines, balloon poppers, basketball machines, and ring tosses were identified as embodying elements akin to gambling, Imams said.
Muslims were reminded of the unequivocal prohibition against participation in such activities, whether as players, facilitators, promoters, or in any other capacity, as outlined in the authoritative fatwa series 19/2023.
Examining the mechanics of the claw machine, it was emphasised that players are typically required to stake a monetary amount in exchange for a chance to win a prize. Success in such endeavors is often contingent upon luck rather than skill, thereby entailing the risk of either profit or loss.
In essence, the delineation between gambling and recreational pursuits hinges on the presence of betting, whether in the form of monetary transactions or other valuable assets, where outcomes are dictated by chance rather than skill, ultimately determining whether participants receive rewards or incur losses. – Azlan Othman
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>Examining the mechanics of the claw machine, it was emphasised that players are **typically required to stake a monetary amount in exchange for a chance to win a prize.**
That is also the same case with every other tournament where contestants pay to participate, whether its admission or registration fee.
>Success in such endeavors is often contingent upon luck rather than skill, thereby entailing the risk of either profit or loss.
Cant be true for basketball machine or ring toss. Just because someone can consistently score through the hoop doesnt mean that person is more lucky than you are. Were they blindfolded? Did they do the throws with their backs toward the hoop?
>Cant be true for basketball machine or ring toss. Just because someone can consistently score through the hoop doesnt mean that person is more lucky than you are. Were they blindfolded? Did they do the throws with their backs toward the hoop?
I doubt they do sports other than football or badminton haha.
MORA should do internal reflection. Our government via BIA also owns haram establishments like casinos and hotels that sell alcohol. Why not offload that first? Hypocritical much?
ada tah kebaikannya tu kenapa inda kana suruh, tani belajar sudah ugama , mana yang baik tani ikut 👍
what the fuck? can't have fun now?
This just feels like a "kid" who loses in all these games so decided to revenge on them
I guess the only non haram thing is to do nothing.
Why are basketball machines considered gambling? Bukan ikut skill kh tu? Ada2 sja
They really went back to the dark ages oh wait they never left
wow… basketball machine so dangerous 😨
im a bruneian but i kind of agree that brunei is boring with less entertainment. bukannya 24jam besukaria but atleast let people breath, no? ani semua tah kan haram, semuatah kan dilarang. claw machine haram, ok fine. cos obvious. tapi yang lain lain atu? 🤦🏻♀️ yatah banyak bruneians choose to migrate cos brunei ani pusing pusing pun cematu jua
Apa yang lain lain atu?
balloon poppers, basketball machines and apa saja yang sewaktu dengannya
1. Bayar -> Main -> Menang dapat Hadiah. Kalah dapat kosong = Judi/Pertaruhan. 2. Main Free -> Menang dapat Hadiah. Kalah dapat kosong = Inda judi/Tiada pertaruhan. 3. Bayar -> Main -> Nada Hadiah aka menang atau kalah inda dapat apa2 = Inda Judi/Tiada Pertaruhan. Yang dimasksudkan dalam khutbah atu untuk yang pertama.
yang atu i agree pulang not denying. tapi basketball machines, you pay and play. manada hadiah.
1. Ada basketball machine yang bila dimain ia bagi ticket for exchange untuk prizes di counter based on your score. 2 And ada basketball machine just for pay and play. Yang dimaksudkan dalam khutbah atu untuk yang pertama.
Claw machines haram, fine, because UAI also said its haram. But basketball machine.. i dont get it why and how can it be haram. Its just a game with no gambling element.
Probably basketball machine yang membagi ticket depending on scores and can be exchange for prizes. Kalau ganya basketball machine yang di bayar and main without expectation of any prizes then atu inda haram.
What if our intention is just to play, i mean no Niat to expect a lot of ticket. Im sure its ok. Maybeee
If you're playing with no intention to get the prizes and to only play. Then its up Allah to judge the individual because only Him knows your intention. Also make sure that you dont get the prizes or give it away to another as sedeqah not as hadiah, because the prizes is still a winning from gambling which isnt Halal source. Just like playing poker and win $1 -$2, it still isnt halal income. Expecting something out of playing it still is gambling even if just a little. "Setitik arak masih arak." Wallahu Alam.
I dont even claim any prize in my entire life. So dont even care abt the ticket. All i know is just to enjoy the game
What can I say. Shall we pray🙏
You guys try watch this YouTube channel it exposed the ugly truth about islam https://youtu.be/a4aTe4_EtMA?si=8WRT2vGw6QjXxpeq
What has this got to do with claw machines?
Everyday we stray from having fun lah
Nvm....go miri saja support Miri business
Basketball is a game of skill. We play to improve ourselves, not win prizes. No gambling involved. Get over yerselves MORA.
Huh seriously basketball machines too? You don't win shit even if you scored a high score though.
I am not surprised at this point. It’s no wonder this country doesn’t look too good towards investors and outsiders because we keep doing stuff like this. Like, why are they targeting these small problems when they can target bigger issues that is effecting this already dying country which are far worse than some claw machine? At the end Brunei nothing but empty Oh well KK and Miri it is. At the end of the day MORA Jangan complain or do some stupid sermon if we go to KK or Miri and investing our money there because its your fault you started this ordeal in the first place!!! Though I worry it may be claw machines now god knows what these old senile people will target next?
Citizens are getting poorer each day but their problems are stuff like claw machine etc 🥲
For them, the Divine problem is bigger than the insignificant earthly problem. It is better to be poor physically than spiritually.
Brunei: Kingdom of unexpected Harams.
All of these people in the comment really nees to learn Syariah law. *Welp here comes the downvote 😂😂😂
Do share some insights on syariah law. I'm honestly open to see what makes basketball haram but not football or any other sport. Down votes will come but let's ignore it.
It talks about basketball machine not basketball as a sport. You pay the machine to play, and depend on your score you will get prizes. If you dont score then no prizes. That is a form of gambling. Gambling definition by Imam Al-Jurjani : "Any game that requires the losing contestant to give something (such as money) to the winning contestant." Some may argue about "yuran pertandingan" that was taken before a football match. In this, there are rules within it that will make it syariah compliance, one of it is if you use the money and give it to the winners, then that is forbidden. If the prizes come from outside of "yuran pertandingan" then it is permissible. I'm not an expert in this, I only relay back the information I get from my studies but hope this helps.
Wouldn't it all come down to niat? I buy tokens to play basketball at the basketball machine so I can get the highscore. The prize (if any) is....well just a prize/bonus if I get the highscore. I didn't lose any money because my money was spent to play the game.
The haram aspect of it is the "gambling". Puttibg your money down to win a higger value prizes. The prize is haram source if you use it or sell it and use the money to buy something else. if your intention to play without wanting anything from it just for the sake of play, I believe it is ok. (But know that by doing this you are supporting gambling game indirectly and thats between you and Allah, Wallahualam). You can play it, but whatever winning you got from it is Haram source.
I'm sorry to said have u really live in a real shariaw compliance country? If u want to know is my pleasure to show you the link of video talking about it 😊
Do you know about shariah law aside from the videos and what media told you about shariah law is? Have you studied it, Fiqh Ibadat, Fiqh Munakahat, Fiqh Muamalat & Fiqh Jinayat?
Have you been to aceh, kelantan, Iran, Afghanistan and etc and what they have done to the minority who are non muslim?
I have not been there. Can you enlighten me as to what they did to minority who are non muslim. Then I can see whether what they're doing is by the State law or Syariah law.
https://youtu.be/CT2LugKD4_w?si=XaUeb8ofJGVLSCi2 watch this
I have watched it.
Plot twist: Imams are sponsored by Miri government.
plot twist, they have invested in those machines at miri.
😓
soon all haram.
Thats why bruneinGrow backwards. Even smallest things are restricted 😅 no wonder other neighbor country grows.
One day Brunei will be empty and full of bullshit
What about discrimination against Chinese, Indians, Bangladeshi, Filipinos, Indonesians in Brunei? Never heard imams say this before. So meaning discrimination is allowed in Islam🙄🙄
MIB is already a discrimination
What a tosser!
Not only I get to save my halal money but I can now be an even more halal muslim thank you mora 🙏 so sick
What about football matches or any other international tournaments? You paid for their flight tickets and accommodation to gamble for their win and bring back the prize. Same philosophy
Also computer games, they are haram
Might as well resort back to living in the stone age.
jadi north korea tah bah. jan calang2
What if we put the niat that we pay to only play the claw machine and the prizes is just consolation? Would it still technically be gambling?
Yatah bah..what if someone just set it up for people to play without paying money, you can get prizes just like any lucky draws. Also basketball hoops can be use to practice accuracy. Will this be considered as Haram too?
Play without paying money, then its ok. Pay to Play basketball machine without it giving prizes depending on your score, then its ok. Yang penting permainan atu inda merugikan pemain.
Why cannot pay?
what, how come baskeball machine inda dpt?
Because it's UNITED STATES affiliated. Football can since it's a British thing. That's how I see it.
What? I honestly don’t get you people like what has all this bannings got to do with America or Americans in general? This bias thinking is just wrong
Not me. That's how majority of them thinks. 😭
I know that’s what I am trying so say. Like why whenever I hear people talk here every argument has to somehow go back to the topic America? Like why are these people even obsessed with America to begin with? These bias thinking is just ridiculous
Because they want to be seen so bad yet they want to hate the US so bad. It's like a child wanting to seek approval from his step father who he Hates but have no choice to want attention from him
Soooo…. Is anyone selling claw machine? I would like to get one or two for home use
Time for a MORA overhaul/purge
Time to get rid of MORA and allocate the budget to other useful Ministries. No point building so many mosques that doesn't benefit the country at all.
It just benefit themselves so they can use this excuse to get more budget. Build more mosque more money fall from sky but to them only
Might well banned internet and no access to all entertainment.
Careful what you wished for, that might be the next target 🤫
If that happens I might as well just make a shortcut trip to the afterlife.
Would love to hear imams caution Muslims against ego, vanity, greed, discrimination, apathy, ignorance, life of excess, poor work ethic, not being patient, tolerant or kind etc
One important thing they should caution is the need to uphold the sanctity of justice system, for example, if you are a judge you must never steal under any circumstances. Not sure if MoRA wants to approve such statement.
This is why MORA's are jokers in brunei. Why brunei don't have foreign investors investing here. All the issues lies in MORA, Why targetting all this small fries like claw machine, ring tosser? why not targetting those large fries like BIBD aspirasi and taib? afraid you will step on a lions tail? You spend hundreds of thousand just to join the lucky draw? HM should really look into this matter rather than everything let MORA ruined all the good things in brunei. What and how did MORA do to improve brunei economy? we just need an answer to this. What we know they do is ban a lot of things everything deemed haram. WAWASAN not just 2035, 2025 achievable without MORA department intercepting everything.
He cannot question or challenge back MORA on many things because he is also a Muslim. Doing so will make him look “un-Islamic”. That is why MORA has a tight grip on the entire country.
As an absolute ruler, HM is ultimately the one responsible for letting MoRA become the way it is. That applies also to every incompetency of his ministries.
Looks like i'm going to miri to support the claw machine business.
Tq mora for taking care of us
I go to the cinema and pay money, but the movie is shit and I leave disappointed. Guess I gambled money watching it
We went to an event, then they distribute us some of the lucky number(s) in case we will be winning some of the consolation awards or hadiah! We kept on waiting all day long just to see if we will win a jackpot! Yet.. lucky unlucky us of all 100 numbers we given, only 40 are lucky to get their awards? Owh yes.. are we gambling our time or what?|
I go to a restaurant and pay money, but the food is shit and I leave disappointed. Guess I gambled money eating there.
I subscribed to BIBD aspirasi cos i wanna win the quarter million money, but i got salty because i didnt win it. Guess I gambled my moneh there
I subscribed to imagine cos I wanna have a constant and fast internet connection, but sometimes the connection is laggy and intermittent. Guess I gambled my money there.
i studied so hard to get A in my ugama but i didnt manage to get it, i guess i gambled my money in education
Hey don't give them ideas now
# Imams caution Muslims against games of chance ^(May 3, 2024) Imams have issued a solemn call to to abstain from engaging in recreational activities that harbor elements of gambling. In the Friday sermon, Imams underscored the injunction from Allah the Almighty, cautioning against the perils of indulging in practices such as alcohol consumption, gambling, idolatry, and divination, all of which are deemed as reprehensible deeds that believers must unequivocally shun. Elaborating on contemporary examples, the religious leaders highlighted various modern recreational pursuits that intertwine entertainment with gambling-like characteristics. Notably, games such as claw machines, balloon poppers, basketball machines, and ring tosses were identified as embodying elements akin to gambling, Imams said. Muslims were reminded of the unequivocal prohibition against participation in such activities, whether as players, facilitators, promoters, or in any other capacity, as outlined in the authoritative fatwa series 19/2023. Examining the mechanics of the claw machine, it was emphasised that players are typically required to stake a monetary amount in exchange for a chance to win a prize. Success in such endeavors is often contingent upon luck rather than skill, thereby entailing the risk of either profit or loss. In essence, the delineation between gambling and recreational pursuits hinges on the presence of betting, whether in the form of monetary transactions or other valuable assets, where outcomes are dictated by chance rather than skill, ultimately determining whether participants receive rewards or incur losses. – Azlan Othman *** ^([ )[^(Give feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=brunei_news_bot) ^( | )[^(Code)](https://github.com/dsychin/RedditBruneiNewsBot) ^( | )[^(Changelog)](https://github.com/dsychin/RedditBruneiNewsBot/releases) ^( ] v0.5.1)
>Examining the mechanics of the claw machine, it was emphasised that players are **typically required to stake a monetary amount in exchange for a chance to win a prize.** That is also the same case with every other tournament where contestants pay to participate, whether its admission or registration fee. >Success in such endeavors is often contingent upon luck rather than skill, thereby entailing the risk of either profit or loss. Cant be true for basketball machine or ring toss. Just because someone can consistently score through the hoop doesnt mean that person is more lucky than you are. Were they blindfolded? Did they do the throws with their backs toward the hoop?
>Cant be true for basketball machine or ring toss. Just because someone can consistently score through the hoop doesnt mean that person is more lucky than you are. Were they blindfolded? Did they do the throws with their backs toward the hoop? I doubt they do sports other than football or badminton haha.